The biggest proof that religion was man-made in order to control and enslave you (Islam and Christianity DEBUNKED)

[Deleted member 5189]

First of all... It's 2021 ffs ... there are people out there who still believe in religion


Religions have moral code/laws

They tell you what's good and bad...


Morals are completely man-made and go against nature and our instincts

If they didn't want us to do bad things why would they give us those instincts to do the bad things in the first place.

When a lion kills a dear or a human in a tribe rapes a girl they don't think "was that the moral thing to do? " do they ever stop themselves from doing something that would give them pleasure because it's "morally bad? "

Tldr: Morals are extremely destructive towards yourself and are subjective, therefore they don't exist, just like religion.


Btw, there's this youtuber called Chunkz who's famous in the UK and he sometimes made music but he STOPPED MAKING MUSIC BECAUSE HIS RELIGION SAYS ITS BAD what fucking retarded logic is that? Doing something that gives you pleasure, happiness and money just because a man-made text says it's a bad thing to do? Wtf...

 

[Deleted member 6403]

Ok

 

[Deleted member 6403]

I suggest you start praying to Allah, my brother, repent, allahuakbar

 

[Deleted member 5189]

Ok

I can understand where you're coming from and I respect your opinion but let's agree to disagree.

 

[CupOfCoffee]

The only thing making me believe religion might be necessary is seeing how degenerate the alternative is.

Religion = faith in a higher being, sense of meaning for your life, you have a community you belong in, you have a moral code that is set out so you don't have to guess and make up your own subjective morals, you have rights and responsibilities, you have a stronger family structure, you're the man of the house as opposed to the cuckold godless matriarchal household.

A godless society is just a cesspool of faggots, trannies, cuckolds, whores, chads, and frustrated incels.

 

[Deleted member 6403]

I can understand where you're coming from and I respect your opinion but let's agree to disagree.

 

[Deleted member 6403]

The only thing making me believe religion might be necessary is seeing how degenerate the alternative is.

Religion = faith in a higher being, sense of meaning for your life, you have a community you belong in, you have a moral code that is set out so you don't have to guess and make up your own subjective morals, you have rights and responsibilities, you have a stronger family structure, you're the man of the house as opposed to the cuckold godless matriarchal household.

A godless society is just a cesspool of faggots, trannies, cuckolds, whores, chads, and frustrated incels.

Indeed, religion, especially a strict one like Islam is VERY effective at controlling degeneracy, mashallah, bro

 

[CupOfCoffee]

Indeed, religion, especially a strict one like Islam is VERY effective at controlling degeneracy, mashallah, bro

Islam in some aspects seems unreasonably strict.

 

[Deleted member 6403]

The only thing making me believe religion might be necessary is seeing how degenerate the alternative is.

Religion = faith in a higher being, sense of meaning for your life, you have a community you belong in, you have a moral code that is set out so you don't have to guess and make up your own subjective morals, you have rights and responsibilities, you have a stronger family structure, you're the man of the house as opposed to the cuckold godless matriarchal household.

A godless society is just a cesspool of faggots, trannies, cuckolds, whores, chads, and frustrated incels.

But on the other hand, degeneracy, the synagogue of Satan are literally Satanic

That's what makes me believe that a higher being actually does exist, cause they hate Christ, they hate the prophets, they go against everything "good"

 

[Deleted member 6403]

Islam in some aspects seems unreasonably strict.

Example

 

[fukmylyf]

The only thing making me believe religion might be necessary is seeing how degenerate the alternative is.

Religion = faith in a higher being, sense of meaning for your life, you have a community you belong in, you have a moral code that is set out so you don't have to guess and make up your own subjective morals, you have rights and responsibilities, you have a stronger family structure, you're the man of the house as opposed to the cuckold godless matriarchal household.

A godless society is just a cesspool of faggots, trannies, cuckolds, whores, chads, and frustrated incels.

 

[Deleted member 5189]

The only thing making me believe religion might be necessary is seeing how degenerate the alternative is.

Religion = faith in a higher being, sense of meaning for your life, you have a community you belong in, you have a moral code that is set out so you don't have to guess and make up your own subjective morals, you have rights and responsibilities, you have a stronger family structure, you're the man of the house as opposed to the cuckold godless matriarchal household.

A godless society is just a cesspool of faggots, trannies, cuckolds, whores, chads, and frustrated incels.

Society is man-made.

Society is slavery.

If you live in a society you are either a slave or slave ruler. And those made up religious morals only apply to slaves to make it easier to control them.

 

[Deleted member 5189]

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Hit the quran was a good song

 

[CupOfCoffee]

Example

Forbidding music
Full coverings for women.
The extreme social separation between men and women (see Afghanistan for example)
The harsh capital punishments like cutting off a hand for theft or executions for other "crimes"

I'm not saying it would be necessarily bad, but it doesn't seem like an ideal environment for a nation to thrive in.

 

[CupOfCoffee]

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I am a product of a degenerate society tbh

 

[Deleted member 6403]

Forbidding music

Music leads to degeneracy, it's basically a courting method, a mating call, seriously.

Full coverings for women.

It's perfectly reasonable, do you not see the state of women? If you give them a centimeter, they'll take miles. So they must not be given any freedoms except for the most basic ones.

The extreme social separation between men and women (see Afghanistan for example)

Men and women are very different. We thrive more efficiently when we're separated in certain instances.

The harsh capital punishments like cutting off a hand for theft or executions for other "crimes"

Doesn't seem to unreasonable to me.

 

[Deleted member 5189]

I am a product of a degenerate society tbh

Produces me

 

[Deleted member 6403]

Subhanallah, OP, you could have 4 wives if we lived in a Muslim society

 

[fukmylyf]

yea subhanallah op

 

[Deleted member 6403]

yea subhanallah op

Are you Muslim

 

[fukmylyf]

Are you Muslim

no bro

are u jewish?

 

[Deleted member 6403]

no bro

Ok

 

[Deleted member 5189]

yea subhanallah op

 

[Deleted member 5189]

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[Deleted member 6403]

 

[Deleted member 6403]

 

[CupOfCoffee]

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Why did Allah put a seal on their hearts?

 

[fukmylyf]

kj ur legit schizo

 

[Deleted member 6403]

Why did Allah put a seal on their hearts?

As an example, subhanallah, the believers get to enjoy the garden, Jannah, and all of Allah's wonders

 

[Deleted member 6403]

kj ur legit schizo

How so

 

[Deleted member 6403]

 

[Deleted member 5189]

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[ThatDjangoWalk]

First of all... It's 2021 ffs ... there are people out there who still believe in religion


Religions have moral code/laws

They tell you what's good and bad...


Morals are completely man-made and go against nature and our instincts

If they didn't want us to do bad things why would they give us those instincts to do the bad things in the first place.

When a lion kills a dear or a human in a tribe rapes a girl they don't think "was that the moral thing to do? " do they ever stop themselves from doing something that would give them pleasure because it's "morally bad?

Both Islam and Judeo-Christianity are full of morals who go against the interests or their first believers, yet they applied them because of call it "Mercy, love, respect". With all due respect your argument is pretty weak, i could flood this entire thread with those morals if i wanted.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Why did Allah put a seal on their hearts?

This is the famous argument of free will and predestination. Both muslims and judeochristian believe in it.

Take it as the next: You are going to jump on a swimming pool, there is someone behind you and while you are startint to jump he also pushes you. The one who jumped will say "I made the decision" and the one who pushed will say "It was my decision". There is a factor more here, which is the environment, we say The Creator is The Most Just and He created the most just environment and circumstances.

 

[Baldingman1998]

First post you make that isn't total bullshit. Although you take it from Sv3rage it still makes sense. One thing tho, humans naturally have "morals" or at the very least empathy. (Atleast most humans do). That can be seen as our natural social trait and not because of religion.

We evolved to cooperate and care about each other to help each other survive

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Forbidding music
Full coverings for women.
The extreme social separation between men and women (see Afghanistan for example)
The harsh capital punishments like cutting off a hand for theft or executions for other "crimes"

I'm not saying it would be necessarily bad, but it doesn't seem like an ideal environment for a nation to thrive in.

The word unreasonably which you used, is based on some sort of consequentialism which you made as a premise of the argument (Which you may have noticed or not, and is subjective i might add).

The argument of the ruling being unreasonable is based on a false premise, which is (most probably) that Islam has to base all it's rules in a materialistic worldview. Islam never makes this claim, and also bases a lot of rules and laws in metaphysical consequentialism (since we believe in the metaphysical) and other sort of results.

Not only that, but Islam is the only religion among the monotheist (and also the biggest ones i may add) that possesses the ruling "Everything which is haram, under imperious necessity becomes halal", so if forbidding music would kill a land's economy and make the population starve somehow, Islam would have the opportunity to allow that which is haram in that regard, something our counterparts cannot say.

 

[Deleted member 13462]

When a lion kills a dear or a human in a tribe rapes a girl they don't think "was that the moral thing to do? " do they ever stop themselves from doing something that would give them pleasure because it's "morally bad? "

Not gonna lie i look at this fourm and think how wrong u guys are but it is what it is. Anway u using animals to try and debunk islam is so stupid beacuse a Lion wasnt given a holy book and lion wasnt given religon from god so they can be gay if they want.

Second if u really want to disprove islam then the quran says it self
if u want to debunk it find a contradiction or mistake.

Oh yeah u cant find one too bad

 

[Deleted member 13462]

uh

 

[Baldingman1998]

Not gonna lie i look at this fourm and think how wrong u guys are but it is what it is. Anway u using animals to try and debunk islam is so stupid beacuse a Lion wasnt given a holy book and lion wasnt given religon from god so they can be gay if they want.

Second if u really want to disprove islam then the quran says it self
if u want to debunk it find a contradiction or mistake.

Oh yeah u cant find one too bad

Blackpill itself is proof of evolution(evolutionary psychology and why women and men are attracted to certain things) which goes against creationism.

Proof religion is false

 

[JosephGarrot123]

Religion was made by subhumans to cope with their inferior genes

 

[Deleted member 13462]

uh

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Blackpill itself is proof of evolution(evolutionary psychology and why women and men are attracted to certain things) which goes against creationism.

Proof religion is false

False. Islam makes the claim that Adam (alayhi a salam) was the first human being (Call it homo sapiens if you want) and created in a special manner. Islam never denies the existence of other hominids, we just say that Adam (alayhi a salam) was created in paradise without parents on a special manner by divine intervention.

This evolution is good against other religions who claim that the human being was created before animals (while Islam makes it clear that there was life before the human being) and those sort of things. The only manner to disprove Islam via evolution os to bring the first homo sapiens and demonstrate it is not Adam (alayhi a salam)

The atheist would say "Hey bro, you believe in miracles". Well he believes in bigger miracles like the process from non consciousness to consciousness, or abiogenesis (from non life to life) and other random sort of events, just ask them how monkeys reached South America.

 

[studiocel]

Humans have instincts to do both good and evil. Since we evolved to live in tribes, morality was needed to work together but lack of morality towards those outside the tribe was needed to destroy rival tribes and creatures competing for the same resources.

 

[Deleted member 13462]

ok

 

[Deleted member 13462]

"we made every living thing from water"

people didnt even know that 50 years ago never mind nearly 200 years ago when they livled in the sand

 

[Deleted member 13462]

in islam it says theres aliens that we will never see that live in the unvierse
so yes we beileve in other life forms outside earth

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

What muslims beilve in evolution?

In fact in the quran it talks about big bang the unvise getting bigger which albert said was the greatest human discovery yet it was in the quran. The qraun is a book of science

https://www.arabnews.com/sites/default/files/styles/n_670_395/public/15/07/2016//allah.jpg?itok=i1Xb8EU5

Brother don't do this kind of argument, it is not solid. Science is a backwards method who is trying to catch to Al Islam, perhaps that verse means something else and we interpret it like that because of the actual scientific standpoint which may be correct or not, never abuse backwards methods without a 100% verification to prove Islam since science is always changing and what may be considered today right tomorrow can be cosidered scientifically wrong.

 

[Deleted member 13462]

okay how about how a baby is formed islam gets that correct form start to finsh

 

[Deleted member 13462]

Good video to watch