Blackpill THE DEVASTATING SCAPULA-SHOULDER PILL - THIS HAS DESTROYED MY LIFE ⚠

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LET ME BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND TELL YOU THAT FRAME IS IMPORTANT



IT'S almost AS EQUIVELENT AS THE HEIGHTPILL


"Actually, that’s unfair to suits. Women respond to broad shoulders far more powerfully than men respond to breasts, making suits the more powerful of the two. Do you know that lustful feeling well-cloven cleavage can instil in you? Well, broad shoulders give women that same feeling, except stronger (study)."






NOW ONCE I DREW YOUR ATTENTION, LET'S BEGIN




The traditional "Muh frame doesn't matter" is a BULLSHIT



^^ Which Jimson has more sex - THE ONE ON THE RIGHT





^^ Which BBC is living more happier life = THE RIGHT ONE OF COURSE





^^ Which guy do you think is overall more successful in life - THE RIGHT FUCKING ONE






It is very important for men to be tall, wide framed, and heavy (due to bone mass and muscle mass).




Being a lightweighted twink will extremely reduce your General Fighting success, superior chads will be easily able to lift you up and slam you down to the ground





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But "muh hard work and dedication"...





Chestbrahs Frame Looks like shit next to jeff's one, his clavicles have the width of his head, his shoulders are compressed on his ribcage, you can easily spot his below average Frame under all These muscles


Most People typically rely on that bro science that wide shoulders are simply caused by wide clavicles, which is half-way true,
But the important factor which makes their shoulders so Broad are their scapulas. which brings us to scapula - pill section.






SCAPULA - PILL

(Neither Sergeant @Sergeant knows how to fix double spoiler problem, it's a xenforo issue)
Kim freire for example doesn't has extreme wide clavicles, but he has a enormous wide Scapula which extends well above his horizontal ribcage width

The shape and the lateral projection of the Scapula is determined by your genetics, mostly it's determined by the androgen receptor exposure and their Density/sensitivity.

- The lateral projection of the glenoid cavity aka the neck is the most important part, if this part is laterally narrow along with a sloped Humerus Insertion then the shoulders will look like they are literally compressed on the ribcage

Although the "slopedness" is in 90% of cases more related to The clavicle shape, every chad has 1 Thing in common: Straight clavicles or at least relatively straight clavicles, it's not even the actual width of the clavicles but the straightness which is important. Thus brings us to clavicle insertions section.




CLAVICLE INSERTIONS (Angulation)
Straight clavicles determine how Broad/squarish and straight in General your shoulders will look



Incels have usually horrible feminine short curved V shaped clavicles, this does not only makes the shoulders look sloped, it also results in a horizontal narrow chest Insertion, a chest muscle insertions which grows downward rather than laterally outwards.

One of the WORST incel traits you can imagine, a roundish horizontal narrow U shaped chest insertion

It's such a typical gymcel trait, it Looks totally un-dimorphic and unmasculine, like 2 Forward projecting sagging tits



Compared to a godly chaddish horizontal wide square chest



Lets imagine 2 guys with the same biacromial breadth, one with square and one with sloped shoulders, the one with the square shoulder will look optically and objectively wider after he gained the same amount of mass because his Deltoid projection goes straight sideways and not diagonally upwards like on a cripple

But if you have sloped shoulders, Increasing your Deltoid size will consequently increase the slopedness of your shoulders



It just Looks ugly and silly, it's not only a incel trait, it's a total neotenous-feminine trait

A mature male Body is supposed to be straightly framed by the shoulders/arms




FINAL CONCLUSION
The angulation of your shoulders/clavicle along with the length of your neck determine whetever you will be seen as a naturally unathletic Coping gymcel or as a natural athletic chad with a huge sex appeal



THIS IS WHAT PRIME JB'S WANT!!!!. They dont care About your utterly roided/bloated and sloped 22 Inch bideltoid when chad Comes into the room with his genetically superior non gymcelled 25 Inch square-shoulder bideltoid with a biacromial breadth of 23 inches



DOES GYMECELING HELP ?
The answer is: YES, BUT only if you have relatively straight clavicles/squarish shoulders to begin with



Zyzz, David Laid, Jon Skywalker etc. all These guys had relatively Broad and straight clavicles to begin with which why they looked so aesthetic after they gained several Pounds of muscle

Deluded normies Always use These 3 guys as a example that anyone can max his Frame simply by going to the gym, but almost no one Pays Attention to the fact that all These 3 guys already had a very impressive clavicular/shoulder structure to begin with which allowed them a straight lateral Deltoid projection





... AND REMEMBER









 
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I wish I was 6"8 with huge shoulder width ngl. Bones mog muscle always. The amount of muscle you can build is dependent on the amount of bone you have anyway JFL
 
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rightfulcel said:
I wish I was 6"8 with huge shoulder width ngl. Bones mog muscle always. The amount of muscle you can build is dependent on the amount of bone you have anyway JFL
It's sad shit man


goat2x said:
good study jfl tbh:
Male subjects' ratings were unaffected by breast size
Come on man, atleast i put the effort :(.. You know that frame matters either..
 
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fag112 said:
im gonna cry bro. fuck life in the NL its unfair as framecel (im not even a framecel its just that dutch guys have mogger frames)
Antropometry-pill has destroyed my life already, but framepill... I can't even tell you how much painful that was to witness.

Yes, i am 6 PSL facially, but antopometry can either make or break you (i'm talking about wrist size + frame size + height). You just can't say it's not important

 
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Chintuck22 said:
Antropometry-pill has destroyed my life already, but framepill... I can't even tell you how much painful that was to witness.

Yes, i am 6 PSL facially, but antopometry can either make or break you (i'm talking about wrist size + frame size + height). You just can't say it's not important

is that you in the spoiler?
 
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Chintuck22 said:
Antropometry-pill has destroyed my life already, but framepill... I can't even tell you how much painful that was to witness.

Yes, i am 6 PSL facially, but antopometry can either make or break you (i'm talking about wrist size + frame size + height). You just can't say it's not important

im broader than u but only by like an inch or so
 
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Chintuck22 said:
LET ME BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND TELL YOU THAT FRAME IS IMPORTANT



IT'S almost AS EQUIVELENT AS THE HEIGHTPILL


"Actually, that’s unfair to suits. Women respond to broad shoulders far more powerfully than men respond to breasts, making suits the more powerful of the two. Do you know that lustful feeling well-cloven cleavage can instil in you? Well, broad shoulders give women that same feeling, except stronger (study)."






NOW ONCE I DREW YOUR ATTENTION, LET'S BEGIN




The traditional "Muh frame doesn't matter" is a BULLSHIT

View attachment 729041

^^ Which Jimson has more sex - THE ONE ON THE RIGHT



View attachment 729043 View attachment 729044

^^ Which BBC is living more happier life = THE RIGHT ONE OF COURSE



View attachment 729048

^^ Which guy do you think is overall more successful in life - THE RIGHT FUCKING ONE






It is very important for men to be tall, wide framed, and heavy (due to bone mass and muscle mass).


View attachment 729068 View attachment 729076

Being a lightweighted twink will extremely reduce your General Fighting success, superior chads will be easily able to lift you up and slam you down to the ground





--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




But "muh hard work and dedication"...



View attachment 729082

Chestbrahs Frame Looks like shit next to jeff's one, his clavicles have the width of his head, his shoulders are compressed on his ribcage, you can easily spot his below average Frame under all These muscles


Most People typically rely on that bro science that wide shoulders are simply caused by wide clavicles, which is half-way true,
But the important factor which makes their shoulders so Broad are their scapulas. which brings us to scapula - pill section.






SCAPULA - PILL

(Neither Sergeant @Sergeant knows how to fix double spoiler problem, it's a xenforo issue)
Kim freire for example doesn't has extreme wide clavicles, but he has a enormous wide Scapula which extends well above his horizontal ribcage width
View attachment 729107 View attachment 729121
The shape and the lateral projection of the Scapula is determined by your genetics, mostly it's determined by the androgen receptor exposure and their Density/sensitivity.

- The lateral projection of the glenoid cavity aka the neck is the most important part, if this part is laterally narrow along with a sloped Humerus Insertion then the shoulders will look like they are literally compressed on the ribcage

Although the "slopedness" is in 90% of cases more related to The clavicle shape, every chad has 1 Thing in common: Straight clavicles or at least relatively straight clavicles, it's not even the actual width of the clavicles but the straightness which is important. Thus brings us to clavicle insertions section.



CLAVICLE INSERTIONS (Angulation)
Straight clavicles determine how Broad/squarish and straight in General your shoulders will look

View attachment 729226

Incels have usually horrible feminine short curved V shaped clavicles, this does not only makes the shoulders look sloped, it also results in a horizontal narrow chest Insertion, a chest muscle insertions which grows downward rather than laterally outwards.

One of the WORST incel traits you can imagine, a roundish horizontal narrow U shaped chest insertion

It's such a typical gymcel trait, it Looks totally un-dimorphic and unmasculine, like 2 Forward projecting sagging tits

View attachment 729136

Compared to a godly chaddish horizontal wide square chest

View attachment 729140

Lets imagine 2 guys with the same biacromial breadth, one with square and one with sloped shoulders, the one with the square shoulder will look optically and objectively wider after he gained the same amount of mass because his Deltoid projection goes straight sideways and not diagonally upwards like on a cripple

But if you have sloped shoulders, Increasing your Deltoid size will consequently increase the slopedness of your shoulders

View attachment 729162

It just Looks ugly and silly, it's not only a incel trait, it's a total neotenous-feminine trait

A mature male Body is supposed to be straightly framed by the shoulders/arms

View attachment 729165



FINAL CONCLUSION
The angulation of your shoulders/clavicle along with the length of your neck determine whetever you will be seen as a naturally unathletic Coping gymcel or as a natural athletic chad with a huge sex appeal

View attachment 729215 View attachment 729216 View attachment 729219 View attachment 729220 View attachment 729223

THIS IS WHAT PRIME JB'S WANT!!!!. They dont care About your utterly roided/bloated and sloped 22 Inch bideltoid when chad Comes into the room with his genetically superior non gymcelled 25 Inch square-shoulder bideltoid with a biacromial breadth of 23 inches



DOES GYMECELING HELP ?
The answer is: YES, BUT only if you have relatively straight clavicles/squarish shoulders to begin with

View attachment 729258

Zyzz, David Laid, Jon Skywalker etc. all These guys had relatively Broad and straight clavicles to begin with which why they looked so aesthetic after they gained several Pounds of muscle

Deluded normies Always use These 3 guys as a example that anyone can max his Frame simply by going to the gym, but almost no one Pays Attention to the fact that all These 3 guys already had a very impressive clavicular/shoulder structure to begin with which allowed them a straight lateral Deltoid projection





... AND REMEMBER

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So how do u increase frame, also
This guy ascended hard WTF
 
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Feminineboi said:
Banger thread but surely you were over exaggerating the chad's 25 inch shoulder/23 inch biacromial statement, right?
Nah, it's just rare to see gigachads

Pubertymaxxingcel said:
So how do u increase frame, also
This guy ascended hard WTF
Roids


fag112 said:
sorry bro no way ur 6 psl
Wanna do mog battle ?
 
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Chintuck22 said:
Nah, it's just rare to see gigachads


Roids



Wanna do mog battle ?
not gonna post face here, i cant for obvious reasons jfl. gonna go into management after my uni degree
 
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Frame does matter but it only depends on your height. The taller you are, the bigger your frame. For a 6 foot 4 guy like me to look as muscular as a 5 foot 10 guy who has a similar strength level, I would need to be 220 lbs at 15% body fat while the 5 foot 10 guy would be 170-175 lbs at 15% body fat, that is a huge difference of around 50 lbs of muscle mass that I can have that shorter guys won't have. And although my limbs are much longer which means that I am not going to look huge with 16 inch arms, I am still going to have much more muscle mass and I am going to look way better than a shorter guy. Even if I start as a skinny guy with no lats, I can grow very wide thick lats with proper training methods.

So, when guys here say that you can be a framecel when you're tall, they are wrong, you can only be a framecel is you are a manlet.
 
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Finally a white pill. I have shit narrow frame but straight as fuck clavicles and square shoulders like the blond guy and the nigger in transformation pic so maybe it is not over.
 
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copingvolcel said:
Frame does matter but it only depends on your height. The taller you are, the bigger your frame. For a 6 foot 4 guy like me to look as muscular as a 5 foot 10 guy who has a similar strength level, I would need to be 220 lbs at 15% body fat while the 5 foot 10 guy would be 170-175 lbs at 15% body fat, that is a huge difference of around 50 lbs of muscle mass that I can have that shorter guys won't have. And although my limbs are much longer which means that I am not going to look huge with 16 inch arms, I am still going to have much more muscle mass and I am going to look way better than a shorter guy. Even if I start as a skinny guy with no lats, I can grow very wide thick lats with proper training methods.

So, when guys here say that you can be a framecel when you're tall, they are wrong, you can only be a framecel is you are a manlet.
If this guy was 2-3 inches taller than his brother (and had the same frame), it wouldn't make significant difference



I don't want to crush your hopes but everything matters, you need to have both antropometry + face to be considerate a chad
 
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goat2x said:
good study jfl tbh:
Male subjects' ratings were unaffected by breast size
They're all ass people trust me :forcedsmile:
 
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Chintuck22 said:
If this guy was 2-3 inches taller than his brother (and had the same frame), it wouldn't make significant difference

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I don't want to crush your hopes but everything matters, you need to have both antropometry + face to be considerate a chad
If he was taller, his frame would be bigger, that is a bad example. Instead, show me 2 guys of the same height and same muscular development who are standing side by side in the same picture at the same angle and show me a difference in frame.

I bet that you're never going to find such a picture because it's not scientifically possible to be taller but have the same length of limbs as a shorter guy. The taller you are, the wider your shoulders will be and the more impressive you will look with a muscular physique. This is a fact, look at any 6 foot 2 or 6 foot 4 skinny guy transformation into a very muscular guy and you will see what I am talking about. The taller you are, the more impressive you will look when gymmaxxed and the bigger you will be. Which is why big muscular guys who are tall can easily intimidate shorter men because they have way more muscle than them so they are way stronger too.

This is also why although the best powerlifters are short guys, the strongest men in the world are very tall, because the taller you are, the higher your strength potential is. Of course, as a tall guy you'll have bad relative strength but that doesn't matter, only absolute strength really matters.
 
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wasted said:
having an avg frame @ 6'1 makes me look like a stick figure :feelswah: i think ill roid next year my clavicles and scapulas might get wider
It's not your frame, if you gymmax naturally properly by adding 40 lbs of muscle to your frame, you will look huge and you'll dwarf all the shorter guys by making them look tiny, that is an undeniable fact.
 
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Pubertymaxxingcel said:
So how do u increase frame, also
This guy ascended hard WTF
It looks photoshopped.

goat2x said:
good study jfl tbh:
Male subjects' ratings were unaffected by breast size
Need to find link to study?
Hard to believe. Although I like all sizes except really small.
 
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eduardkoopman said:
It looks photoshopped.


Need to find link to study?
Hard to believe. Although I like all sizes except really small.
thats the study he linked as the evidence
good thread nevertheless but the study is dogshit
 
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Chintuck22 said:
That's not always the case, have you seen Zyros ?
I don't know what that means. Anyways, my point is that if you start lifting as a very skinny guy who never did sports in his life, your entire body will be weak so your shoulders won't look big so they'll look narrow, but as soon as you start filling your frame, you'll get wide, the taller you are, the wider you can become, but many guys never fulfill that amazing potential because they don't know how. The key is to focus on weighted chin ups and barbell rows to get wider. Guys who are weak at those lifts tend to have very small thin lats and because of that their shoulder look narrow.

This is why when I see a guy complaining about having a small frame I always ask him how much weight he can use on barbell rows and weighted chin ups and for how many reps so I can compare. Every time, it is because they are weak at those lifts or they are a very short guy.
 
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eduardkoopman said:
It looks photoshopped.


Need to find link to study?
Hard to believe. Although I like all sizes except really small.
It's not photoshopped, it's due to the angle he used for the picture which gives him a better ratio, and he has very strong lats while in the beginning his lats were untrained. Lats are what give you the wide shoulders, not your original shoulder to waist ratio. The taller you are, the wider your lats can become with proper training. Most gym bros never train their lats though because they can't do chin ups.
 
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goat2x said:
thats the study he linked as the evidence
good thread nevertheless but the study is dogshit
Sadly I ca only find that abstract. But not the whole study report.
I wanna see you he methods usef
 
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copingvolcel said:
It's not your frame, if you gymmax naturally properly by adding 40 lbs of muscle to your frame, you will look huge and you'll dwarf all the shorter guys by making them look tiny, that is an undeniable fact.
Yes I think height > frame in many cases but being tall and having a subhuman frame is a giga failo
 
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Chintuck22 said:
LET ME BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND TELL YOU THAT FRAME IS IMPORTANT



IT'S almost AS EQUIVELENT AS THE HEIGHTPILL


"Actually, that’s unfair to suits. Women respond to broad shoulders far more powerfully than men respond to breasts, making suits the more powerful of the two. Do you know that lustful feeling well-cloven cleavage can instil in you? Well, broad shoulders give women that same feeling, except stronger (study)."






NOW ONCE I DREW YOUR ATTENTION, LET'S BEGIN




The traditional "Muh frame doesn't matter" is a BULLSHIT

View attachment 729041

^^ Which Jimson has more sex - THE ONE ON THE RIGHT



View attachment 729043 View attachment 729044

^^ Which BBC is living more happier life = THE RIGHT ONE OF COURSE



View attachment 729048

^^ Which guy do you think is overall more successful in life - THE RIGHT FUCKING ONE






It is very important for men to be tall, wide framed, and heavy (due to bone mass and muscle mass).


View attachment 729068 View attachment 729076

Being a lightweighted twink will extremely reduce your General Fighting success, superior chads will be easily able to lift you up and slam you down to the ground





--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




But "muh hard work and dedication"...



View attachment 729082

Chestbrahs Frame Looks like shit next to jeff's one, his clavicles have the width of his head, his shoulders are compressed on his ribcage, you can easily spot his below average Frame under all These muscles


Most People typically rely on that bro science that wide shoulders are simply caused by wide clavicles, which is half-way true,
But the important factor which makes their shoulders so Broad are their scapulas. which brings us to scapula - pill section.






SCAPULA - PILL

(Neither Sergeant @Sergeant knows how to fix double spoiler problem, it's a xenforo issue)
Kim freire for example doesn't has extreme wide clavicles, but he has a enormous wide Scapula which extends well above his horizontal ribcage width
View attachment 729107 View attachment 729121
The shape and the lateral projection of the Scapula is determined by your genetics, mostly it's determined by the androgen receptor exposure and their Density/sensitivity.

- The lateral projection of the glenoid cavity aka the neck is the most important part, if this part is laterally narrow along with a sloped Humerus Insertion then the shoulders will look like they are literally compressed on the ribcage

Although the "slopedness" is in 90% of cases more related to The clavicle shape, every chad has 1 Thing in common: Straight clavicles or at least relatively straight clavicles, it's not even the actual width of the clavicles but the straightness which is important. Thus brings us to clavicle insertions section.



CLAVICLE INSERTIONS (Angulation)
Straight clavicles determine how Broad/squarish and straight in General your shoulders will look

View attachment 729226

Incels have usually horrible feminine short curved V shaped clavicles, this does not only makes the shoulders look sloped, it also results in a horizontal narrow chest Insertion, a chest muscle insertions which grows downward rather than laterally outwards.

One of the WORST incel traits you can imagine, a roundish horizontal narrow U shaped chest insertion

It's such a typical gymcel trait, it Looks totally un-dimorphic and unmasculine, like 2 Forward projecting sagging tits

View attachment 729136

Compared to a godly chaddish horizontal wide square chest

View attachment 729140

Lets imagine 2 guys with the same biacromial breadth, one with square and one with sloped shoulders, the one with the square shoulder will look optically and objectively wider after he gained the same amount of mass because his Deltoid projection goes straight sideways and not diagonally upwards like on a cripple

But if you have sloped shoulders, Increasing your Deltoid size will consequently increase the slopedness of your shoulders

View attachment 729162

It just Looks ugly and silly, it's not only a incel trait, it's a total neotenous-feminine trait

A mature male Body is supposed to be straightly framed by the shoulders/arms

View attachment 729165



FINAL CONCLUSION
The angulation of your shoulders/clavicle along with the length of your neck determine whetever you will be seen as a naturally unathletic Coping gymcel or as a natural athletic chad with a huge sex appeal

View attachment 729215 View attachment 729216 View attachment 729219 View attachment 729220 View attachment 729223

THIS IS WHAT PRIME JB'S WANT!!!!. They dont care About your utterly roided/bloated and sloped 22 Inch bideltoid when chad Comes into the room with his genetically superior non gymcelled 25 Inch square-shoulder bideltoid with a biacromial breadth of 23 inches



DOES GYMECELING HELP ?
The answer is: YES, BUT only if you have relatively straight clavicles/squarish shoulders to begin with

View attachment 729258

Zyzz, David Laid, Jon Skywalker etc. all These guys had relatively Broad and straight clavicles to begin with which why they looked so aesthetic after they gained several Pounds of muscle

Deluded normies Always use These 3 guys as a example that anyone can max his Frame simply by going to the gym, but almost no one Pays Attention to the fact that all These 3 guys already had a very impressive clavicular/shoulder structure to begin with which allowed them a straight lateral Deltoid projection





... AND REMEMBER

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Chintuck22 said:
wasted @wasted how can you cope :lul:
wdym i framemog him but hes a bit taller
 
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Chintuck22 said:
Nah, it's just rare to see gigachads


Roids



Wanna do mog battle ?
Bruh it's beyond rare (biacromal width mainly), it's next to impossible. Research it
 
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Chintuck22 said:
IT'S almost AS EQUIVELENT AS THE HEIGHTPILL
you absolute fool the height pill IS the frame pill. Massive cope if you think tall lanklets are getting attention from any girls outside of very specific intense height fetishists. The reason girls like height is because 9 times out of 10 it COMES WITH frame. Now, there's a limit to that, obviously at like 5'4" frame won't do jack shit for you. But at roughly average height range with big frame you're going to mog taller guys with average and below frames. (inb4 height copers rage, face is king anyway, don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise cause that's pathetic tbh)

Ask any girl why they like height, they'll tell you because they like a guy to be BIG (roid copers, that does not mean what you think it means, it has fuck all to do with muscle, muscle is nothing. bones.) don't cope into believing that they'll think you're big if you're tall with a little girl frame.
 
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wasted said:
Yes I think height > frame in many cases but being tall and having a subhuman frame is a giga failo
My point is that you can't be tall and have a small frame, it's not scientifically possible because the taller you are, the longer your limbs are and the wider your shoulders are, but if you are skinny with 0 muscle mass, you will look like you have narrow shoulders because your entire body is weak and untrained.

2 guys of the same height and same muscular development will look very similar to each other, there won't be a huge difference except for maybe the shape of the muscles (some guys have rounder pecs others have square pecs), but even that small difference isn't going to affect their rating.
 
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fogdart said:
Rate frame

It looks average

The most left guy is perfect




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Bruh it's beyond rare (biacromal width mainly), it's next to impossible. Research it
Yeah !? And just like the 8 PSL face is rare, have you ever seen a 8 PSL guy

I haven't tbh. Not going to lie you
 
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copingvolcel said:
I don't know what that means. Anyways, my point is that if you start lifting as a very skinny guy who never did sports in his life, your entire body will be weak so your shoulders won't look big so they'll look narrow, but as soon as you start filling your frame, you'll get wide, the taller you are, the wider you can become, but many guys never fulfill that amazing potential because they don't know how. The key is to focus on weighted chin ups and barbell rows to get wider. Guys who are weak at those lifts tend to have very small thin lats and because of that their shoulder look narrow.

This is why when I see a guy complaining about having a small frame I always ask him how much weight he can use on barbell rows and weighted chin ups and for how many reps so I can compare. Every time, it is because they are weak at those lifts or they are a very short guy.
based. will add to my routine
 

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