LordNorwood
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Disclaimer, this is a long read, but I think its valuable.
This thread is not presenting a new concept, but instead revisits a concept already explored by previous big members from a new angle.Throughout I will also touch on threads that elaborate on my key point, pulling together thought from many members here, some of whom are very popular and some of whom I think are under-valued.
Most of the people I appreciated the most have already left this site or are barely active. I still keep in contact with many of them outside of .me, but there isn't really much of a point for me to be here longer. I was never much of a thread-maker, but before I go, I hope to make a few high-effort, sincere threads as a parting gift. My thread on phenotypes was the first of these. This is the second.
The Mindset of the PSL Community
"I feel that a common thing for people to feel about this forum is shame and embarrassment - partially because this forum is very closely intertwined with incel communities."
"Personally, I feel a sense of pride knowing that I found out the importance of appearance and others didn’t, almost as if normies are beneath me for this reason."
Fundamentally, PSL is simply a community. All communities function pretty much the exact same way with regard to the thoughts and beliefs of each member.
The Overton window is the range of policies politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time.[1] It is also known as the window of discourse. The term is named after Joseph P. Overton, who stated that an idea's political viability depends mainly on whether it falls within this range, rather than on politicians' individual preferences.
Basically every community is defined by a center of thought and holds to certain tenets that the members of said community aren't supposed to question. I've been a part of a number of extreme communities online, religious communities IRL, and obviously a part of the greater community of my IRL circle, then the country I live in, then the West, etc. They all function the exact same way. Free speech and free thought - these are pretty much copes, they can't exist on a community level. Only on the individual level can they exist. Yet the individual is necessarily governed by the community - he has limits on what he can and can't say in a social context. There are limits as well on what his audience will or won't consider.
Every flaw in human thinking basically has its origin in a heuristic. A heuristic is essentially a helpful cogntiive shortcut that allows you to use information to its best possible use without having to waste a ton of mental resources to process it. Heuristics are unavoidable, because you aren't a super-computer. Human beings evolved heuristics in a mental sense because we're in the business of survival, not philosophy. Philosophy, truth-seeking, finding the "correct" views - all these things are merely by-products of the business of survival and reproduction.
If you were an ideal super-computer, or God or whatever, then it would be impossible to trick you, because you would have infinite mental capacity and you could think through any situation or problem from every single angle without making a single logical error. You wouldn't need heuristics, therefore there would be nothing to exploit in order to cause you to come to the wrong conclusion. You would be completely non-dogmatic, free from any religious thinking, and perfectly sentient.
The heuristic that the Overton Window bases itself on and comes from is the heuristic of "herd thinking". There is safety in the herd. Getting too far away from the center of opinion in any direction is risky, and we evolved to take as few risks as possible, to stick with the path of least resistance. This is completely natural and makes perfect sense. In the old days it would have worked fine, it gave you the highest probability of surviving and passing your genes on, so you evolved to think this way.
"Part of you being here (apart from not being attractive) has a lot to do with your low amount of risk-taking behaviour. Im not just talking about approaching women, but every single aspect of your life you were steering in towards of "least resistence". When it comes to relationship and choices regarding your guardians, with your friends, with women, with jobs, with your hobbies, everything in your life. "
The central belief of any community (look at Policy on the Overton Window) gives rise to a certain mythology. A mythology in this sense is a set of images and narratives designed to motivate the people in accordance with the central belief. The central belief of PSL is the blackpill. One of its biggest myths is the Myth of Ascension.
GET LOOKS
OR DIE TRYING
The Cracks in the Myth
"You always knew you aren't "It". PSL boards vocalise what "It" is, but some part of you always knew you are just a supporting actor of your own so called life and you're scared to try to take control of it, because that would jeopardise the safe space you built for yourself. You are scared of being wrong."
In a recent Tinder experiment done by @ArabIncel Chestbrah of all people blew out many male models. Here's a picture of him.
The number of times I've seen him get called ugly on here is beyond count. By PSL standards, its not looking too hot.
Do PSL standards actually translate to the real world? Of course they do, yeah? Otherwise what are we even doing here?
Chestbrah isn't a male model, so what makes him so attractive to women?
looksmax.org
"it seems like this site has no clue, and only sees aesthetics... "
looksmax.org
The above is one of the best threads on the entire forum with regard to actually trying to make your self more attractive to women, for real, IRL.
Here's another good one, short sweet and to the point:
looksmax.org
The false idea of the Myth of Ascension is esentially that you can get a male model face through some obscure hidden knowledge you learned on an incel forum. Once you get this face, you'll live the male model lifestyle and coast through life on your facial aesthetics alone.
Of course to even get the necessary surgeries requires a great deal of money but ah, money-maxxing is cope, its all about your face.
Of course the amount of actual "ascensions" of people who claim to have gained better facial aesthetics to the point they are treated significantly differently IRL I can count on one hand, in the entirety of PSL, but what does that matter when body is cope, a good mentality is cope, muscles are cope, etc. etc. etc.
This is from a larger convo with a friend, and inspired the thread.
What's the one, real problem?
You aren't fulfilling your biological imperative by being sexually succesful. Because of your evolutionary programming, this produces a number of feelings in you. Your life isn't going the way it should. Things are unfairly stacked against you. There is some inherent quality about yourself that needs to change. etc. etc.
All these feelings arise from the biological platform and are designed to motivate you to fix the real problem and mate. This is always buzzing in your mind, fix the problem, fix the problem, fix the problem. Your biology wants you to get with the program.
Because sexual success in men is tied to status, your body attempts to solve the problem in you by producing feelings of resentment and ambition. You want to show people. You want to "get back" at everyone for not giving you the life you deserve. This is essentially a heuristic, designed to guide the organism towards a reliable strategy to increase the chances of sexual success.
However, in the modern age this heuristic is exploited. The resentment becomes defeatism and pointless thinking in circles. Meanwhile the ambition is wasted, improperly channeled into areas that don't affect your real life, like meaningless squabbles on an online forum, or your PSL rating.
Some of you, instead of letting "life rate you", constantly negoitiate on here for a slightly higher PSL rate. Well I shaved my facial hair, I gotta be at least .25 higher! An otoplasty has to give me a .25 boost, yeah?
Out of the one real problem you create a billion problems, and what was once evolution's strategy of lateral moves becomes parasitic, the lateral moves start to work in a counter-productive way to the actual goal that generated them. You start to care more about the number an online forum assigns your face than you do your actual real life success.
Essentially, you've been hijacked by the PSL community, which is exploiting your heuristical notions.
Instead of your drive to stick with herd thinking resulting in you displaying neuro-typical traits to a potential mate, you're trying to display neuro-typical traits in the context of an extreme community, who's members you have never even met.
Instead of your resentment resulting in the drive to out-compete sexual rivals in real life, you're wallowing in it on an incel forum, as if existence cares that it isn't justified in your eyes.
Instead of your ambition resulting in an increase in status IRL, resulting in greater sexual prospects, you're trying to get status on an obscure incel forum. Through a higher rate, through being rent-free, whatever.
Sitting here trying to take the high view of life in order to avoid having to roll the dice, every single day, is going to ruin you.
You have to give life your best shot if you want the chance of being happy. You have to roll the dice, and accept that failure is possible.
Even if you were dealt a bad hand, you have to create the best possible strategy, and go for the throat.
Max your SMV. Create in yourself not the mentality that's true, but the one best suited to success. "Truth" does not matter. Only results matter.
Users who's threads I quoted:
@looxmakser49
@cocainecowboy
@Kade
@Kingkellz
Conversations with users that inspired the thread in some way:
@PrettyBoyMaxxing
@Kade
@cocainecowboy
@Dogs
@ArabIncel
Other friends tagged below.
@EthnicelAscension @Rift678 @Fuk @ht-normie-ascending @Too$hort @puppymaxer @Blackout.xl @curryslayerordeath @chadpreetinthemaking @Goblin @Aesthetic @Gudru @Justttt @LookistWorld @yang
This thread is not presenting a new concept, but instead revisits a concept already explored by previous big members from a new angle.Throughout I will also touch on threads that elaborate on my key point, pulling together thought from many members here, some of whom are very popular and some of whom I think are under-valued.
Most of the people I appreciated the most have already left this site or are barely active. I still keep in contact with many of them outside of .me, but there isn't really much of a point for me to be here longer. I was never much of a thread-maker, but before I go, I hope to make a few high-effort, sincere threads as a parting gift. My thread on phenotypes was the first of these. This is the second.
The Mindset of the PSL Community
"I feel that a common thing for people to feel about this forum is shame and embarrassment - partially because this forum is very closely intertwined with incel communities."
"Personally, I feel a sense of pride knowing that I found out the importance of appearance and others didn’t, almost as if normies are beneath me for this reason."
Fundamentally, PSL is simply a community. All communities function pretty much the exact same way with regard to the thoughts and beliefs of each member.
The Overton window is the range of policies politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time.[1] It is also known as the window of discourse. The term is named after Joseph P. Overton, who stated that an idea's political viability depends mainly on whether it falls within this range, rather than on politicians' individual preferences.
Basically every community is defined by a center of thought and holds to certain tenets that the members of said community aren't supposed to question. I've been a part of a number of extreme communities online, religious communities IRL, and obviously a part of the greater community of my IRL circle, then the country I live in, then the West, etc. They all function the exact same way. Free speech and free thought - these are pretty much copes, they can't exist on a community level. Only on the individual level can they exist. Yet the individual is necessarily governed by the community - he has limits on what he can and can't say in a social context. There are limits as well on what his audience will or won't consider.
Every flaw in human thinking basically has its origin in a heuristic. A heuristic is essentially a helpful cogntiive shortcut that allows you to use information to its best possible use without having to waste a ton of mental resources to process it. Heuristics are unavoidable, because you aren't a super-computer. Human beings evolved heuristics in a mental sense because we're in the business of survival, not philosophy. Philosophy, truth-seeking, finding the "correct" views - all these things are merely by-products of the business of survival and reproduction.
If you were an ideal super-computer, or God or whatever, then it would be impossible to trick you, because you would have infinite mental capacity and you could think through any situation or problem from every single angle without making a single logical error. You wouldn't need heuristics, therefore there would be nothing to exploit in order to cause you to come to the wrong conclusion. You would be completely non-dogmatic, free from any religious thinking, and perfectly sentient.
The heuristic that the Overton Window bases itself on and comes from is the heuristic of "herd thinking". There is safety in the herd. Getting too far away from the center of opinion in any direction is risky, and we evolved to take as few risks as possible, to stick with the path of least resistance. This is completely natural and makes perfect sense. In the old days it would have worked fine, it gave you the highest probability of surviving and passing your genes on, so you evolved to think this way.
"Part of you being here (apart from not being attractive) has a lot to do with your low amount of risk-taking behaviour. Im not just talking about approaching women, but every single aspect of your life you were steering in towards of "least resistence". When it comes to relationship and choices regarding your guardians, with your friends, with women, with jobs, with your hobbies, everything in your life. "
The central belief of any community (look at Policy on the Overton Window) gives rise to a certain mythology. A mythology in this sense is a set of images and narratives designed to motivate the people in accordance with the central belief. The central belief of PSL is the blackpill. One of its biggest myths is the Myth of Ascension.
GET LOOKS
OR DIE TRYING
The Cracks in the Myth
"You always knew you aren't "It". PSL boards vocalise what "It" is, but some part of you always knew you are just a supporting actor of your own so called life and you're scared to try to take control of it, because that would jeopardise the safe space you built for yourself. You are scared of being wrong."
In a recent Tinder experiment done by @ArabIncel Chestbrah of all people blew out many male models. Here's a picture of him.
The number of times I've seen him get called ugly on here is beyond count. By PSL standards, its not looking too hot.
Do PSL standards actually translate to the real world? Of course they do, yeah? Otherwise what are we even doing here?
Chestbrah isn't a male model, so what makes him so attractive to women?
Sex Appeal vs. Aesthetics
Since it seems like this site has no clue, and only sees aesthetics... High aesthetics, 0 sex appeal. Seriously this guy is a bathroom selfie pheno alien, fucking lol if you think this is ideal so so aesthetics, sky high sex appeal. Quintessential socially integrated generic handsome med chad...
looksmax.org
SEX APPEAL MAXXING {Official Guide}
1) DEEP VOICE Voice, as a secondary sexual characteristic, is known to affect the perceived attractiveness of human individuals. Men with deeper/low-pitched voices signal large body size (which is sexually dimorphic), attract more women, father more children, intimidate other men, and command...
looksmax.org
Here's another good one, short sweet and to the point:
RTT (Roid-Tat-Tan) ascension for ethnic
before after JUST A FELLOW REMINDER FOR ETHNICS, THAT MIDFACE PARANASAL IMPLANT AND MOST THINGS OF THAT SORT WON'T CHANGE HOW GIRLS PERCEIVE YOU. DOING WHAT THIS GUY DID WILL. HE'S FUCKING WHITE JBS WHILE YOU ARE WAGESLAVING FOR YOUR SILICONE INFRAORBITAL RIM :forcedsmile:
looksmax.org
The false idea of the Myth of Ascension is esentially that you can get a male model face through some obscure hidden knowledge you learned on an incel forum. Once you get this face, you'll live the male model lifestyle and coast through life on your facial aesthetics alone.
Of course to even get the necessary surgeries requires a great deal of money but ah, money-maxxing is cope, its all about your face.
Of course the amount of actual "ascensions" of people who claim to have gained better facial aesthetics to the point they are treated significantly differently IRL I can count on one hand, in the entirety of PSL, but what does that matter when body is cope, a good mentality is cope, muscles are cope, etc. etc. etc.
This is from a larger convo with a friend, and inspired the thread.
What's the one, real problem?
You aren't fulfilling your biological imperative by being sexually succesful. Because of your evolutionary programming, this produces a number of feelings in you. Your life isn't going the way it should. Things are unfairly stacked against you. There is some inherent quality about yourself that needs to change. etc. etc.
All these feelings arise from the biological platform and are designed to motivate you to fix the real problem and mate. This is always buzzing in your mind, fix the problem, fix the problem, fix the problem. Your biology wants you to get with the program.
Because sexual success in men is tied to status, your body attempts to solve the problem in you by producing feelings of resentment and ambition. You want to show people. You want to "get back" at everyone for not giving you the life you deserve. This is essentially a heuristic, designed to guide the organism towards a reliable strategy to increase the chances of sexual success.
However, in the modern age this heuristic is exploited. The resentment becomes defeatism and pointless thinking in circles. Meanwhile the ambition is wasted, improperly channeled into areas that don't affect your real life, like meaningless squabbles on an online forum, or your PSL rating.
Some of you, instead of letting "life rate you", constantly negoitiate on here for a slightly higher PSL rate. Well I shaved my facial hair, I gotta be at least .25 higher! An otoplasty has to give me a .25 boost, yeah?
Out of the one real problem you create a billion problems, and what was once evolution's strategy of lateral moves becomes parasitic, the lateral moves start to work in a counter-productive way to the actual goal that generated them. You start to care more about the number an online forum assigns your face than you do your actual real life success.
Essentially, you've been hijacked by the PSL community, which is exploiting your heuristical notions.
Instead of your drive to stick with herd thinking resulting in you displaying neuro-typical traits to a potential mate, you're trying to display neuro-typical traits in the context of an extreme community, who's members you have never even met.
Instead of your resentment resulting in the drive to out-compete sexual rivals in real life, you're wallowing in it on an incel forum, as if existence cares that it isn't justified in your eyes.
Instead of your ambition resulting in an increase in status IRL, resulting in greater sexual prospects, you're trying to get status on an obscure incel forum. Through a higher rate, through being rent-free, whatever.
Sitting here trying to take the high view of life in order to avoid having to roll the dice, every single day, is going to ruin you.
You have to give life your best shot if you want the chance of being happy. You have to roll the dice, and accept that failure is possible.
Even if you were dealt a bad hand, you have to create the best possible strategy, and go for the throat.
Max your SMV. Create in yourself not the mentality that's true, but the one best suited to success. "Truth" does not matter. Only results matter.
Users who's threads I quoted:
@looxmakser49
@cocainecowboy
@Kade
@Kingkellz
Conversations with users that inspired the thread in some way:
@PrettyBoyMaxxing
@Kade
@cocainecowboy
@Dogs
@ArabIncel
Other friends tagged below.
@EthnicelAscension @Rift678 @Fuk @ht-normie-ascending @Too$hort @puppymaxer @Blackout.xl @curryslayerordeath @chadpreetinthemaking @Goblin @Aesthetic @Gudru @Justttt @LookistWorld @yang
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