⚡ [The possible use of whole body vibration therapy to aid Height Growth and bone development + Bones-mashing evidence] ⚡

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Firstly, let me state that this is just a possible therapy to aid the development of height growth. This therapy uses vibration frequencies and mehcanical stimulation to possible aid height growth and according to some studies "improving their neuromuscular, respiratory and cardiovascular functions.". Before we begin we need to first understand about vibrations and it's effects on the human body.

Vibrations definitely do and have been proven to have a strong effect on out bodies. Our bodies have been shown to have it's own vibration frequencies. Some studies say that ranges from 5-10 Hz some say 9-16Hz so I think it is safe to conclude that we are somewhere in this range of dispute. Our body is exposed to different vibration frequencies throughout the day. When we are in the car, on public transport or in industrial workplaces, our vibrations can change. Now to prove that this effect of vibration can genuinely change the body in a drastic way, I would like to present to you the case HAVS ( Hand-arm vibration syndrome ). Industrial workers are prone to this syndrome due to the strong vibrations their hands and fingers take on a daily basis. [1][2]. These vibrations have also been proven on many acocunts to affect the muscular and skeletan structure of said workers, causing all sorts of injuries. [3]

The basis of this method uses two principles. Whole body vibration therapy and targeted mechanical stimulation. We will be calling them WBVT and MS for the rest off this thread to reduce the strain of my fingers as a type this out.

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Our goal here is to us WBVT to stimulate bone growth and bone density as an added benefit.

"Animal and human studies suggest that high-frequency, low-magnitude vibration therapy improves bone strength by increasing bone formation and decreasing bone resorption. There is also evidence that vibration therapy is useful in treating sarcopenia, which confounds skeletal fragility and fall risk in aging. Enhancement of skeletal and muscle strength involves regulating the differentiation of mesenchymal stem cells to build these tissues; mesenchymal stem cell lineage allocation is positively promoted by vibration signals." [4]

The research seems to state that our bones can detect the vibrations of postural muscle contractions. Our aim with WBVT is to replicate those vibrations being created so that our body is in this constant state of "activity" while it isn't doing anything. Think of it as periodically working out your skeletal structure from within. The research also states that the therapy can have positive effects on "improving their neuro-muscular, respiratory and cardiovascular functions." [5]

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From this information we can conclude that even if you are done with puberty, you can still reap health benefits from gymcelling with this therapy. This also has benefits in anti-aging protocols. @You

This therapy isn't perfect however and there are alot of problems to tackle. The research in reference [5] says this. If you have read the whole paper, you would soon find out that we actually don't know what the most effective frequencies are. This makes aggresively amping the frequency effects not feasible because as I have explained in the introduction, high vibration frequencies can cause trama and even permanent injuries to not just bones and joints but also neurons and muscle cells.

I would recommend a low frequency treatment as this may have positive effects on bones while having a positive effect on muscle cells for sure.
Study [7] proves that these vibrations do in fact reach deep within the body. These were done at the "low frequencies" at less than one G.


"Bone's high sensitivity to mechanical signals may someday provide the basis for non-pharmaceutical interventions capable of increasing bone mass during growth, minimizing skeletal erosion during adulthood, and restoring tissue integrity following losses due to injury, disease or occupation (e.g., space-flight)." [6]

The research and studies have not been doing all this work only as an measure for preventing osteoperosis by the way. The following studies that I will reference has shown mobility and neuromuscular benefits to those that are 70-80 years old. These people are old obviously but I the research still holds weight as we know that these frequencies have an effect on the body.

"The comparisons revealed significant improvements in mobility and dual-task performance after the intervention in EG1, while there were improvements in reaction time, mobility, and dual-task performance in EG2 (p ≤ 0.05). The size of the interventions’ clinical effect was medium in EG1 and ranged from medium to large in EG2. The comparisons also showed a reduction in the fall rate in both EGs (EG1: -44.2%; EG2: − 63.0%, p ≤ 0.05) from baseline to post-intervention. The interventions’ effects on reaction time, mobility, and dual-task performance were no longer evident after the 12-week no-intervention follow-up period." [7]

The results indicated that the auditory complex choice reaction time decreased, and the anticipation skill with high speed increased after the WBV in women with normal lumbar lordosis (P = 0.01, P = 0.01, respectively). Additionally, the visual choice reaction time in women with lumbar hyperlordosis significantly decreased after WBV intervention. Although other variables in the two groups decreased after vibration, these changes were not statistically significant. [8]

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"In the absence of mechanical usage, limbs develop with only 30–50% of normal bone mass. A child growing without skeletal loading will develop thin, fragile long bones with diminished periosteal circumference" [9]

This paper was a very interesting read and I implore everyone else interested to download the PDF and read it for yourselves. It mentions Wolfs's law aswell so bonesmashers can rub it out to this one.

This study basically tells us that mechanical stimulation does have effect on bones and during your development years, a marginal effect. They seem to insinuate that not working out could lead to reduced height gains but I will look into that in a completely different thread I may or may not go through with writing.

This article too has also said that targeted mechanical stimulation AKA BONESMASHING will have an impact on bone formation, bone resoprtion and density.

https://www.injuryjournal.com/article/S0020-1383(20)30807-X/fulltext

Bonesmashing isn't pseudoscience.

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[1] https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/indhealth/50/5/50_MS1382/_article [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5509149/ [3] https://journals.lww.com/spinejourn...onal_drivers_at_an_increased_risk_for.10.aspx [4] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4458848/pdf/nihms685238.pdf [5] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10323263/ [6] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2919567/ [7] https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-021-10448-x [8] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1360859219302049?via=ihub [9] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743123/pdf/nihms-281049.pdf

High IQ but can cause unpredictable structure of bone. It’s not even about bone mass it’s about cranio facial bone structure proportions that makes you attractive

 

[Blackpilled1027]

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Theory on TENS Electrodes on BONE GROWTH (Lab Rats and High IQcels needed)

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[elemanzelvadre]

Will the vibrator make me giant?

 

[n9wiff]

Will the vibrator make me giant?

Enhance growth slightly

Makes you stronger

 

[Blackpilled1027]

Enhance growth slightly

Makes you stronger

Did you read ?

 

[n9wiff]

Did you read ?

I saved the tab, planned to read after done eating

 

[n9wiff]

Did you read ?

I've read the thread this was based on by enchanted elixir. Good read and does work, the anti-aging guy Bryan Johnson uses it for his core workout if I am not mistaken.

 

[Asxender]

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Same setup, you need to get a plate that vibrates at the corresponding frequency, I suggest staying below 1g

Isnt it the same thing Tyler from Heightquest is testing right now? Some sort of torsion + vibration. He got results with wingspand and now is trying on applying it to legs

 

[n9wiff]

Isnt it the same thing Tyler from Heightquest is testing right now? Some sort of torsion + vibration. He got results with wingspand and now is trying on applying it to legs

link? I don't know who that is

 

[n9wiff]

Isnt it the same thing Tyler from Heightquest is testing right now? Some sort of torsion + vibration. He got results with wingspand and now is trying on applying it to legs

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this?

Yeah, thats him. Hes been doing various height related shit for almost 14 years now. Gained 1.5 inch in total and fuckload in wingspan. He started with 6' wingspan and now has 6'3, so thats significant. However he could not replicate it for height if im not mistaken.

And yeah, lately he's been experimenting with vibrations (im pretty sure on his website he even used the same studies as you).

 

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Firstly, let me state that this is just a possible therapy to aid the development of height growth. This therapy uses vibration frequencies and mehcanical stimulation to possible aid height growth and according to some studies "improving their neuromuscular, respiratory and cardiovascular functions.". Before we begin we need to first understand about vibrations and it's effects on the human body.

Vibrations definitely do and have been proven to have a strong effect on out bodies. Our bodies have been shown to have it's own vibration frequencies. Some studies say that ranges from 5-10 Hz some say 9-16Hz so I think it is safe to conclude that we are somewhere in this range of dispute. Our body is exposed to different vibration frequencies throughout the day. When we are in the car, on public transport or in industrial workplaces, our vibrations can change. Now to prove that this effect of vibration can genuinely change the body in a drastic way, I would like to present to you the case HAVS ( Hand-arm vibration syndrome ). Industrial workers are prone to this syndrome due to the strong vibrations their hands and fingers take on a daily basis. [1][2]. These vibrations have also been proven on many acocunts to affect the muscular and skeletan structure of said workers, causing all sorts of injuries. [3]

The basis of this method uses two principles. Whole body vibration therapy and targeted mechanical stimulation. We will be calling them WBVT and MS for the rest off this thread to reduce the strain of my fingers as a type this out.

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Our goal here is to us WBVT to stimulate bone growth and bone density as an added benefit.

"Animal and human studies suggest that high-frequency, low-magnitude vibration therapy improves bone strength by increasing bone formation and decreasing bone resorption. There is also evidence that vibration therapy is useful in treating sarcopenia, which confounds skeletal fragility and fall risk in aging. Enhancement of skeletal and muscle strength involves regulating the differentiation of mesenchymal stem cells to build these tissues; mesenchymal stem cell lineage allocation is positively promoted by vibration signals." [4]

The research seems to state that our bones can detect the vibrations of postural muscle contractions. Our aim with WBVT is to replicate those vibrations being created so that our body is in this constant state of "activity" while it isn't doing anything. Think of it as periodically working out your skeletal structure from within. The research also states that the therapy can have positive effects on "improving their neuro-muscular, respiratory and cardiovascular functions." [5]

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From this information we can conclude that even if you are done with puberty, you can still reap health benefits from gymcelling with this therapy. This also has benefits in anti-aging protocols. @You

This therapy isn't perfect however and there are alot of problems to tackle. The research in reference [5] says this. If you have read the whole paper, you would soon find out that we actually don't know what the most effective frequencies are. This makes aggresively amping the frequency effects not feasible because as I have explained in the introduction, high vibration frequencies can cause trama and even permanent injuries to not just bones and joints but also neurons and muscle cells.

I would recommend a low frequency treatment as this may have positive effects on bones while having a positive effect on muscle cells for sure.
Study [7] proves that these vibrations do in fact reach deep within the body. These were done at the "low frequencies" at less than one G.


"Bone's high sensitivity to mechanical signals may someday provide the basis for non-pharmaceutical interventions capable of increasing bone mass during growth, minimizing skeletal erosion during adulthood, and restoring tissue integrity following losses due to injury, disease or occupation (e.g., space-flight)." [6]

The research and studies have not been doing all this work only as an measure for preventing osteoperosis by the way. The following studies that I will reference has shown mobility and neuromuscular benefits to those that are 70-80 years old. These people are old obviously but I the research still holds weight as we know that these frequencies have an effect on the body.

"The comparisons revealed significant improvements in mobility and dual-task performance after the intervention in EG1, while there were improvements in reaction time, mobility, and dual-task performance in EG2 (p ≤ 0.05). The size of the interventions’ clinical effect was medium in EG1 and ranged from medium to large in EG2. The comparisons also showed a reduction in the fall rate in both EGs (EG1: -44.2%; EG2: − 63.0%, p ≤ 0.05) from baseline to post-intervention. The interventions’ effects on reaction time, mobility, and dual-task performance were no longer evident after the 12-week no-intervention follow-up period." [7]

The results indicated that the auditory complex choice reaction time decreased, and the anticipation skill with high speed increased after the WBV in women with normal lumbar lordosis (P = 0.01, P = 0.01, respectively). Additionally, the visual choice reaction time in women with lumbar hyperlordosis significantly decreased after WBV intervention. Although other variables in the two groups decreased after vibration, these changes were not statistically significant. [8]

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"In the absence of mechanical usage, limbs develop with only 30–50% of normal bone mass. A child growing without skeletal loading will develop thin, fragile long bones with diminished periosteal circumference" [9]

This paper was a very interesting read and I implore everyone else interested to download the PDF and read it for yourselves. It mentions Wolfs's law aswell so bonesmashers can rub it out to this one.

This study basically tells us that mechanical stimulation does have effect on bones and during your development years, a marginal effect. They seem to insinuate that not working out could lead to reduced height gains but I will look into that in a completely different thread I may or may not go through with writing.

This article too has also said that targeted mechanical stimulation AKA BONESMASHING will have an impact on bone formation, bone resoprtion and density.

https://www.injuryjournal.com/article/S0020-1383(20)30807-X/fulltext

Bonesmashing isn't pseudoscience.

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[1] https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/indhealth/50/5/50_MS1382/_article [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5509149/ [3] https://journals.lww.com/spinejourn...onal_drivers_at_an_increased_risk_for.10.aspx [4] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4458848/pdf/nihms685238.pdf [5] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10323263/ [6] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2919567/ [7] https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-021-10448-x [8] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1360859219302049?via=ihub [9] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743123/pdf/nihms-281049.pdf

would running and jumping do this?

 

[n9wiff]

would running and jumping do this?

Yeah, anything that causes muscles to rapidly contract.

This method just makes it so that we can stimulate this harder and chronically for an extended time.

 

[Deleted member 71360]

Yeah, anything that causes muscles to rapidly contract.

This method just makes it so that we can stimulate this harder and chronically for an extended time.

what is the method again

 

[n9wiff]

what is the method again

Something like this but higher quality and can go up to 60Hz. Still looking for a source myself because most plates cap at 30Hz. Quality also has to be good as your weight may reduce the efficacy of the machine. Your body weight and composition may also affect the way the vibrations reach upwards as like the studies I linked, vibrations reaching up to the head was still achievable but varried. Same with the pelvis study where they had to switch positions for increased absorbption.

 

[n9wiff]

Up

 

[DR. NICKGA]

Will not work #idiot

 

[n9wiff]

Will not work #idiot

I said increase bone density and recovery which was already proven in the studies.

I still made it clear that increasing height is just a very slim chance and will at most *aid

 

[DR. NICKGA]

I still made it clear that increasing height is just a very slim chance and will at most *aid

Good boy good that you fucking listen to me

 

[Sushifart]

I saw the heightquest vid of him talking about torsion not too long ago, the one you guys are referencing with wingspan length increase from the vibrations + torsion.

What are your guy's thoughts on using it on the mandible with a similar method:

if you had a loading force pulling downward by holding something heavy enough for the jaw while using the vibrations from the massage gun on the area that I labelled below (based on the biomechanics of the bone). Might work too if you use it below the chin. I'd imagine it could lengthen the mandible as well, but I'm just not sure.

 

[n9wiff]

I saw the heightquest vid of him talking about torsion not too long ago, the one you guys are referencing with wingspan length increase from the vibrations + torsion.

What are your guy's thoughts on using it on the mandible with a similar method:
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if you had a loading force pulling downward by holding something heavy enough for the jaw while using the vibrations from the massage gun on the area that I labelled below (based on the biomechanics of the bone). Might work too if you use it below the chin. I'd imagine it could lengthen the mandible as well, but I'm just not sure.

I'm not sure If we can take preexisting hard formed bone and just stretch it like that...

I mean there are no epiphyseal plates on the jaw as far as I know so if this could even theoretically work it :

1) Prove bones have somewhat malleable property
2) We can induce bone growth with just vibrations

But if these 2 statements were really the case, then isn't causing asymmetry also really gonna be easy to do? even if you could set up perfectly, most people have extremely slight midline deviations which would case asymmetry anyways.


Too far fetched and highly unlikely in my opinion.

 

[n9wiff]

Did you read ?

You said you were gonna try it, have you gotten a proper set up running yet?

 

[Sushifart]

I'm not sure If we can take preexisting hard formed bone and just stretch it like that...

I mean there are no epiphyseal plates on the jaw as far as I know so if this could even theoretically work it :

1) Prove bones have somewhat malleable property
2) We can induce bone growth with just vibrations

But if these 2 statements were really the case, then isn't causing asymmetry also really gonna be easy to do? even if you could set up perfectly, most people have extremely slight midline deviations which would case asymmetry anyways.


Too far fetched and highly unlikely in my opinion.

I've read a paper once where they grew the mandible using electrical pulses. Don't remember exactly, but it was a few mm in a couple of months (within a span of one year I believe), so I think problem #1 isn't an issue, but for #2, I'm basing it off the results from the heightquest guy, but I have no clue if you can translate his method of increasing wingspan to growing the mandible and if you say that asymmetry issues are likely to occur, then that's fucked, but maybe there's a way around this.

I might just buy a massage gun and mimic the guy's parameters somewhat and try it on the mandible and see if it somewhat works. Do you think it's worth measuring my ratios and what not beforehand to try and assess asymmetries beforehand?

 

[n9wiff]

've read a paper once where they grew the mandible using electrical pulses

Wasn't that the one with some sort of implant? IDK maybe I should take a look into that paper.

but I have no clue if you can translate his method of increasing wingspan to growing the mandible and if you say that asymmetry issues are likely to occur, then that's fucked, but maybe there's a way around this.

Possible to circumvent this if you do due diligence and get work done to identify any possible errors before starting. Midline deviation in small cases are an easy fix.

I might just buy a massage gun and mimic the guy's parameters somewhat and try it on the mandible and see if it somewhat works. Do you think it's worth measuring my ratios and what not beforehand to try and assess asymmetries beforehand?

Yeah for sure and like I said check if you have midline deviation, any sort of malocclusion etc.

And update me on your setup I'd really appreciate it

 

[Sushifart]

Wasn't that the one with some sort of implant? IDK maybe I should take a look into that paper.

Possible to circumvent this if you do due diligence and get work done to identify any possible errors before starting. Midline deviation in small cases are an easy fix.

Yeah for sure and like I said check if you have midline deviation, any sort of malocclusion etc.

And update me on your setup I'd really appreciate it

Yeah, it was the one with the implant. Will update when I buy the stuff I need. For the pulses part, I made a thread related to this not too long ago

Theory on TENS Electrodes on BONE GROWTH (Lab Rats and High IQcels needed)

Recommend reading with DARK MODE. THREAD THEME NOW PLAYING: SHE BLINDED ME WITH SOYIENCE :feelsgood::feelsgood::soy::soy::soy: I read an interesting thread a while back by @enchanted_elixir as well as @AlmostPerfect who brought up some interesting research paper(s) regarding electrical...

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I never got to trying out this since I've been trying to fix some of my skin issues (dermatitis of some kind with acne, could be fungal), so I haven't put any money into a TENS unit. Anyways tell me your thoughts since you seem more well-informed and well-read than I am.

 

[onlyhereforthehair]

I´m almot 34 and will try it together with high dose mk-4

still searching for a device. There are devices for around 400€ on amazon that have "4D" vibration, there are also 70€ ones in the discounter.
Then there are really expensive one 5K and above.

i think ill start with the discounter one and post my measurments.

 

[the_nextDavidLaid]

Good boy good that you fucking listen to me

whats your fucking deal retard

I saw the heightquest vid of him talking about torsion not too long ago, the one you guys are referencing with wingspan length increase from the vibrations + torsion.

What are your guy's thoughts on using it on the mandible with a similar method:
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if you had a loading force pulling downward by holding something heavy enough for the jaw while using the vibrations from the massage gun on the area that I labelled below (based on the biomechanics of the bone). Might work too if you use it below the chin. I'd imagine it could lengthen the mandible as well, but I'm just not sure.

it could possibly create new bone or whatever the fuck in the area effectively stretching it but as i currently know theres no suture there

 

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Firstly, let me state that this is just a possible therapy to aid the development of height growth. This therapy uses vibration frequencies and mehcanical stimulation to possible aid height growth and according to some studies "improving their neuromuscular, respiratory and cardiovascular functions.". Before we begin we need to first understand about vibrations and it's effects on the human body.

Vibrations definitely do and have been proven to have a strong effect on out bodies. Our bodies have been shown to have it's own vibration frequencies. Some studies say that ranges from 5-10 Hz some say 9-16Hz so I think it is safe to conclude that we are somewhere in this range of dispute. Our body is exposed to different vibration frequencies throughout the day. When we are in the car, on public transport or in industrial workplaces, our vibrations can change. Now to prove that this effect of vibration can genuinely change the body in a drastic way, I would like to present to you the case HAVS ( Hand-arm vibration syndrome ). Industrial workers are prone to this syndrome due to the strong vibrations their hands and fingers take on a daily basis. [1][2]. These vibrations have also been proven on many acocunts to affect the muscular and skeletan structure of said workers, causing all sorts of injuries. [3]

The basis of this method uses two principles. Whole body vibration therapy and targeted mechanical stimulation. We will be calling them WBVT and MS for the rest off this thread to reduce the strain of my fingers as a type this out.

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Our goal here is to us WBVT to stimulate bone growth and bone density as an added benefit.

"Animal and human studies suggest that high-frequency, low-magnitude vibration therapy improves bone strength by increasing bone formation and decreasing bone resorption. There is also evidence that vibration therapy is useful in treating sarcopenia, which confounds skeletal fragility and fall risk in aging. Enhancement of skeletal and muscle strength involves regulating the differentiation of mesenchymal stem cells to build these tissues; mesenchymal stem cell lineage allocation is positively promoted by vibration signals." [4]

The research seems to state that our bones can detect the vibrations of postural muscle contractions. Our aim with WBVT is to replicate those vibrations being created so that our body is in this constant state of "activity" while it isn't doing anything. Think of it as periodically working out your skeletal structure from within. The research also states that the therapy can have positive effects on "improving their neuro-muscular, respiratory and cardiovascular functions." [5]

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From this information we can conclude that even if you are done with puberty, you can still reap health benefits from gymcelling with this therapy. This also has benefits in anti-aging protocols. @You

This therapy isn't perfect however and there are alot of problems to tackle. The research in reference [5] says this. If you have read the whole paper, you would soon find out that we actually don't know what the most effective frequencies are. This makes aggresively amping the frequency effects not feasible because as I have explained in the introduction, high vibration frequencies can cause trama and even permanent injuries to not just bones and joints but also neurons and muscle cells.

I would recommend a low frequency treatment as this may have positive effects on bones while having a positive effect on muscle cells for sure.
Study [7] proves that these vibrations do in fact reach deep within the body. These were done at the "low frequencies" at less than one G.


"Bone's high sensitivity to mechanical signals may someday provide the basis for non-pharmaceutical interventions capable of increasing bone mass during growth, minimizing skeletal erosion during adulthood, and restoring tissue integrity following losses due to injury, disease or occupation (e.g., space-flight)." [6]

The research and studies have not been doing all this work only as an measure for preventing osteoperosis by the way. The following studies that I will reference has shown mobility and neuromuscular benefits to those that are 70-80 years old. These people are old obviously but I the research still holds weight as we know that these frequencies have an effect on the body.

"The comparisons revealed significant improvements in mobility and dual-task performance after the intervention in EG1, while there were improvements in reaction time, mobility, and dual-task performance in EG2 (p ≤ 0.05). The size of the interventions’ clinical effect was medium in EG1 and ranged from medium to large in EG2. The comparisons also showed a reduction in the fall rate in both EGs (EG1: -44.2%; EG2: − 63.0%, p ≤ 0.05) from baseline to post-intervention. The interventions’ effects on reaction time, mobility, and dual-task performance were no longer evident after the 12-week no-intervention follow-up period." [7]

The results indicated that the auditory complex choice reaction time decreased, and the anticipation skill with high speed increased after the WBV in women with normal lumbar lordosis (P = 0.01, P = 0.01, respectively). Additionally, the visual choice reaction time in women with lumbar hyperlordosis significantly decreased after WBV intervention. Although other variables in the two groups decreased after vibration, these changes were not statistically significant. [8]

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"In the absence of mechanical usage, limbs develop with only 30–50% of normal bone mass. A child growing without skeletal loading will develop thin, fragile long bones with diminished periosteal circumference" [9]

This paper was a very interesting read and I implore everyone else interested to download the PDF and read it for yourselves. It mentions Wolfs's law aswell so bonesmashers can rub it out to this one.

This study basically tells us that mechanical stimulation does have effect on bones and during your development years, a marginal effect. They seem to insinuate that not working out could lead to reduced height gains but I will look into that in a completely different thread I may or may not go through with writing.

This article too has also said that targeted mechanical stimulation AKA BONESMASHING will have an impact on bone formation, bone resoprtion and density.

https://www.injuryjournal.com/article/S0020-1383(20)30807-X/fulltext

Bonesmashing isn't pseudoscience.

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[1] https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/indhealth/50/5/50_MS1382/_article [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5509149/ [3] https://journals.lww.com/spinejourn...onal_drivers_at_an_increased_risk_for.10.aspx [4] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4458848/pdf/nihms685238.pdf [5] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10323263/ [6] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2919567/ [7] https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-021-10448-x [8] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1360859219302049?via=ihub [9] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743123/pdf/nihms-281049.pdf

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[20/04/2008]

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Firstly, let me state that this is just a possible therapy to aid the development of height growth. This therapy uses vibration frequencies and mehcanical stimulation to possible aid height growth and according to some studies "improving their neuromuscular, respiratory and cardiovascular functions.". Before we begin we need to first understand about vibrations and it's effects on the human body.

Vibrations definitely do and have been proven to have a strong effect on out bodies. Our bodies have been shown to have it's own vibration frequencies. Some studies say that ranges from 5-10 Hz some say 9-16Hz so I think it is safe to conclude that we are somewhere in this range of dispute. Our body is exposed to different vibration frequencies throughout the day. When we are in the car, on public transport or in industrial workplaces, our vibrations can change. Now to prove that this effect of vibration can genuinely change the body in a drastic way, I would like to present to you the case HAVS ( Hand-arm vibration syndrome ). Industrial workers are prone to this syndrome due to the strong vibrations their hands and fingers take on a daily basis. [1][2]. These vibrations have also been proven on many acocunts to affect the muscular and skeletan structure of said workers, causing all sorts of injuries. [3]

The basis of this method uses two principles. Whole body vibration therapy and targeted mechanical stimulation. We will be calling them WBVT and MS for the rest off this thread to reduce the strain of my fingers as a type this out.

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Our goal here is to us WBVT to stimulate bone growth and bone density as an added benefit.

"Animal and human studies suggest that high-frequency, low-magnitude vibration therapy improves bone strength by increasing bone formation and decreasing bone resorption. There is also evidence that vibration therapy is useful in treating sarcopenia, which confounds skeletal fragility and fall risk in aging. Enhancement of skeletal and muscle strength involves regulating the differentiation of mesenchymal stem cells to build these tissues; mesenchymal stem cell lineage allocation is positively promoted by vibration signals." [4]

The research seems to state that our bones can detect the vibrations of postural muscle contractions. Our aim with WBVT is to replicate those vibrations being created so that our body is in this constant state of "activity" while it isn't doing anything. Think of it as periodically working out your skeletal structure from within. The research also states that the therapy can have positive effects on "improving their neuro-muscular, respiratory and cardiovascular functions." [5]

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From this information we can conclude that even if you are done with puberty, you can still reap health benefits from gymcelling with this therapy. This also has benefits in anti-aging protocols. @You

This therapy isn't perfect however and there are alot of problems to tackle. The research in reference [5] says this. If you have read the whole paper, you would soon find out that we actually don't know what the most effective frequencies are. This makes aggresively amping the frequency effects not feasible because as I have explained in the introduction, high vibration frequencies can cause trama and even permanent injuries to not just bones and joints but also neurons and muscle cells.

I would recommend a low frequency treatment as this may have positive effects on bones while having a positive effect on muscle cells for sure.
Study [7] proves that these vibrations do in fact reach deep within the body. These were done at the "low frequencies" at less than one G.


"Bone's high sensitivity to mechanical signals may someday provide the basis for non-pharmaceutical interventions capable of increasing bone mass during growth, minimizing skeletal erosion during adulthood, and restoring tissue integrity following losses due to injury, disease or occupation (e.g., space-flight)." [6]

The research and studies have not been doing all this work only as an measure for preventing osteoperosis by the way. The following studies that I will reference has shown mobility and neuromuscular benefits to those that are 70-80 years old. These people are old obviously but I the research still holds weight as we know that these frequencies have an effect on the body.

"The comparisons revealed significant improvements in mobility and dual-task performance after the intervention in EG1, while there were improvements in reaction time, mobility, and dual-task performance in EG2 (p ≤ 0.05). The size of the interventions’ clinical effect was medium in EG1 and ranged from medium to large in EG2. The comparisons also showed a reduction in the fall rate in both EGs (EG1: -44.2%; EG2: − 63.0%, p ≤ 0.05) from baseline to post-intervention. The interventions’ effects on reaction time, mobility, and dual-task performance were no longer evident after the 12-week no-intervention follow-up period." [7]

The results indicated that the auditory complex choice reaction time decreased, and the anticipation skill with high speed increased after the WBV in women with normal lumbar lordosis (P = 0.01, P = 0.01, respectively). Additionally, the visual choice reaction time in women with lumbar hyperlordosis significantly decreased after WBV intervention. Although other variables in the two groups decreased after vibration, these changes were not statistically significant. [8]

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"In the absence of mechanical usage, limbs develop with only 30–50% of normal bone mass. A child growing without skeletal loading will develop thin, fragile long bones with diminished periosteal circumference" [9]

This paper was a very interesting read and I implore everyone else interested to download the PDF and read it for yourselves. It mentions Wolfs's law aswell so bonesmashers can rub it out to this one.

This study basically tells us that mechanical stimulation does have effect on bones and during your development years, a marginal effect. They seem to insinuate that not working out could lead to reduced height gains but I will look into that in a completely different thread I may or may not go through with writing.

This article too has also said that targeted mechanical stimulation AKA BONESMASHING will have an impact on bone formation, bone resoprtion and density.

https://www.injuryjournal.com/article/S0020-1383(20)30807-X/fulltext

Bonesmashing isn't pseudoscience.

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[1] https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/indhealth/50/5/50_MS1382/_article [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5509149/ [3] https://journals.lww.com/spinejourn...onal_drivers_at_an_increased_risk_for.10.aspx [4] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4458848/pdf/nihms685238.pdf [5] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10323263/ [6] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2919567/ [7] https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-021-10448-x [8] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1360859219302049?via=ihub [9] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743123/pdf/nihms-281049.pdf

Would read
Thx

 

[mathis]

@mathis

I already been tagged but thx, i have no definitive answer on if it work or not, i would lean on a negative impression if i had to give my opinion tho

 

[Zero Emotion]

Practically speaking, what is the next step? What do we actually have to do to take advantage of this?