The truth behind steroid/peptide-induced facial changes

[org3cel.RR]

Bump, normies need to know this shit.
Im curious to know where people came to the conclusion on the fact that AAS can change the face. All the men they show just lose baby fat, the funnier part is that people need to understand that EVERYONE, has "bones" in their face, leaner=bones show, every single jewish rat had prominent looking zygos and hollow cheecks, yet they werent fucking high test or anything just very lean.

The third guy looks like a dwarf and has a 10 inch bidelt yet zygo mogs the entire forum.
TDLR=EVERYONE HAS BONES
Im amused on the fact u can put thoughs into real words and convince masses to believe in something u have to say.
@Hernan @R@m@ @highinhibcel @flambria @Copercel

 

[chadisbeingmade]

EVERYONE, has "bones" in their face, leaner=bones show

"Everyone" in question:

 

[org3cel.RR]

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No words for this shit, I still dont get it why asians have chubby faces compared to other races
But for normal humans u would look very different with low bodyfat if we are being realistic

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

I still dont get it why asians always have always chubby faces.

Skeletal differences.

 

[org3cel.RR]

Skeletal differences.

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Just be white and lean and u will have the so called "bones" that every normie wants then.

 

[Mainlander]

No words for this shit, I still dont get it why asians have chubby faces compared to other races
But for normal humans u would look very different with low bodyfat if we are being realistic

@Asiangymmax you are not a normal human brother

 

[Linus1888]

I'm detailing the remaining options. It's illogical doing something with an unpredictable outcome, whereby I can only provide the information made possible by the limited and inconsistent scientific literature and anecdotes in the form of this thread.

You can negligibly affect your bones, I merely simplified this concept because it's not adding anything to the outcome we're trying to achieve. Osteoporosis medications are real, so are their patients (those being 50+ years old). You see where this is going.

That's how many bad things start. "Just one-", even you didn't leave it at one cycle.

This all leads back to the negative aspects of using steroids. Life is about trade-offs, the less time you put into this one the worse it gets.

Hair -> dutasteride for life
Skin -> isotretinoin
Blood pressure -> 'sartans, 'nolols
Lipids -> ezetimibe, retatrutide, statins
insert any other tissue and aspect of your body

You can obviously limit your gear exposure, you didn't, so won't others. I'm warning, the choice is theirs.

Appreciate the honest reply. People can't think that far, life isn't just black and white. It's a whole spectrum of colors.

Being hospitalised is an important experience, it's snapping anyone no matter how delusional back to reality. One seemingly small mistake and life can never be the same.

Deep Reality Check for Me, appreciate it. Will think about if I’m gonna „roid“ again

 

[Zagro]

I'm detailing the remaining options. It's illogical doing something with an unpredictable outcome, whereby I can only provide the information made possible by the limited and inconsistent scientific literature and anecdotes in the form of this thread.

You can negligibly affect your bones, I merely simplified this concept because it's not adding anything to the outcome we're trying to achieve. Osteoporosis medications are real, so are their patients (those being 50+ years old). You see where this is going.

Fair to be honest, also to add on i don’t think any of these features are desirable in any way and like you’ve said predictable or symmetrical rather than saving up and getting surgery for the results you desire. This is pretty much looksminning.

I don’t think im going to use high doses of HGH next time

 

[dxadken]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

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If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

But the tiktok man said i should blast peptoids (

 

[Linus1888]

Skeletal differences.

View attachment 3972779

Asian skull mogs in this but is really similar to the european

Photographs of Phenotypic Variability in Skull Shape by Geographic Region. Photographs of Phenotypic Variability in Skull Shape by Geographic Region. A) Asian Derived Skull-Brachycranic Phenotype. B) European Derived Skull.-Mesocranic Phenotype. C) African Derived Skull-Dolichocranic Phenotype. D) Australian Aboriginal Derived-Extreme Dolicocranic Phenotype.​

Added nothing to the conversation but im still gonna add it

 

[WrothEnd]

Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless.

How? People were much shorter before the Industrial Revolution when they had worse, mostly plant based diets.

I do think that these days most people have overall okay diets so almost no one is that malnutritioned. But protein and other things certainly have a big influence over height.

 

[80llo]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

Using growth hormone after puberty is gonna age your bones for almost no gain,only stupid take is asymmetrical growth,the asymmetries are so little and depend on your genetics if you are already simmetric you arent gonna grow 3 cm of zygos on one side and 0 on the other

 

[80llo]

sa

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View attachment 3972839
Asian skull mogs in this but is really similar to the european

Photographs of Phenotypic Variability in Skull Shape by Geographic Region. Photographs of Phenotypic Variability in Skull Shape by Geographic Region. A) Asian Derived Skull-Brachycranic Phenotype. B) European Derived Skull.-Mesocranic Phenotype. C) African Derived Skull-Dolichocranic Phenotype. D) Australian Aboriginal Derived-Extreme Dolicocranic Phenotype.​

Added nothing to the conversation but im still gonna add it

same continent

 

[iblamegenetics7681]

botb worthy tbh

 

[Stacyslayer777]

@Stacyslayer777

Thanks for tagging bro.

 

[Onknown47594]

Disregard what we concluded. Some specimens think spending $35k for a "bone stack" without any research at all for an unpredictable outcome is more logical than surgery. (Price of Lefort 2 + BSSO + genioplasty BTW).

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Why would u pay for smth that has a bunch of risks of doing urself and a small if any change in ur bones depending on puberty when u could pretty much get guaranteed results with the same if not less risk for the same amount by jus getting surgery

 

[KeepCopingLads]

Forgot bros @
His pfp is a cat with a smirk

 

[mogging2eternity]

excellent thread, should be a must read before entering the forum so we can get rid of almost all stupid questions

 

[slaters]

Forgot bros @
His pfp is a cat with a smirk

@ZyzzReincarnate

 

[flambria]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

Thoughts on this study @Zagro @chadisbeingmade @imontheloose
It's the full PubMed pdf, talks about steroid abuse, and it's potential to change craniofacial aspects.

 

[Midasw]

Roided people usually end up havung wider faces

FWHR failo fix?

 

[slaters]

Thoughts on this study @Zagro @chadisbeingmade @imontheloose
It's the full PubMed pdf, talks about steroid abuse, and it's potential to change craniofacial aspects.

Bro everything gives bonemass to mice istg @Bitchwhipper2 says Cialis affected their cranial development
I will say I saw an old Reddit acc like 9 years ago of Dawson (d Tren ) saying hella deca gave him mandibular growth and chin growth makes me think he’s an og blackpiller
Was a deleted account tho so I couldn’t go through the post history

 

[its_so_over2]

Woof. Not even one molecule? It’s brover

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Bro everything gives bonemass to mice istg @Bitchwhipper2 says Cialis affected their cranial development
I will say I saw an old Reddit acc like 9 years ago of Dawson (d Tren ) saying hella deca gave him mandibular growth and chin growth makes me think he’s an og blackpiller
Was a deleted account tho so I couldn’t go through the post history

I never said that.

I said it was observed to increase bone formation rate in rats in vivo.

But yes. Rats are more sensitive to measurable changes in periosteal formation due to their several fold higher turnover rate.

Basicly any change in bone growth nanifests itself like 10x faster in a rat than a human

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Carniofacial growth is possible at any age.

Acromegaly proves this. Its a smoking pistol. Case closed debate is over.

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

This is pretty much looksminning.

It certainly is. Surgery is the only solution whether people like it or not.

I don’t think im going to use high doses of HGH next time

6-8IU is more than enough for our use case.

But protein and other things certainly have a big influence over height.

This isn't the factor that's going to make someone shoot up from 5'9 to 6'3. Stick to the basics.

Thoughts on this study @Zagro @chadisbeingmade @imontheloose
It's the full PubMed pdf, talks about steroid abuse, and it's potential to change craniofacial aspects.

It's a study on rat pups. That's the equal of injecting your newborn with nandrolone.

Carniofacial growth is possible at any age.

Acromegaly proves this. Its a smoking pistol. Case closed debate is over.

Your words are empty just like your actions.

 

[Abdullahm06]

i wonder if i had a part to play in the creation of this thread

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

It certainly is. Surgery is the only solution whether people like it or not.

6-8IU is more than enough for our use case.

This isn't the factor that's going to make someone shoot up from 5'9 to 6'3. Stick to the basics.

It's a study on rat pups. That's the equal of injecting your newborn with nandrolone.

Your words are empty just like your actions.

Okay buddy.
Im one of the more actively looksmaxxing users on the forum and you dont have a single counter argument because what I said is unequivocally true, so you resort to adhominin

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

i wonder if i had a part to play in the creation of this thread
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It may have been directed towards you originally.

you dont have a single counter argument because what I said is unequivocally true.

You enter my thread, ignore my points, proceed to write your hypothesis (not even a thesis) the thread fully debunked and made useless already and now think it's smart to say that it's just the "unequivocal truth".

Nothing to add, don't even reply just jump into the next Swedish river.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

It may have been directed towards you originally.

You enter my thread, ignore my points, proceed to write your hypothesis (not even a thesis) the thread fully debunked and made useless already and now think it's smart to say that it's just the "unequivocal truth".

Nothing to add, don't even reply just jump into the next Swedish river.

Its a directly observable phenomenon. Not a hypothesis, not a even theory. Its a plain observable fact.

You are arguing in your thread that thickening is not proven, when it quite simply is.
If you said it can definitely occur, but it will always turn out unaesthetic i would be on my way

 

[UtahParentCenterPSL]

Thanks for tagging bro.

Thought you find it interesting, glad I shared it with you

 

[iblameautistickids]

bumping for u brah

 

[tegene]

So from what i understood, i should roid my baby momma and my babys