The truth about steroids and peptides affecting bones/height

[idkwhattoputhere]

the claims you make are heavily exaggerated or misleading in detail.

There is a difference between thickening and lengthening of the bone. Although its true that bone lengthening cannot occur if grow plates are closed, bone can still thicken. Growth hormone can promote periostel apposition(process where new bone is added to the outer surface of bone) This process can possibly thicken or elongate the jaw contour. This explains why individuals with acromegaly can still alter their facial structure even after puberty. Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4319194/#:~:text=Bone growth is a three,1 on muscle tissue
”Environmental factors have no effect in height”
Most studies report a heritability of 70-90% . This topic is not a debate among scholars but a well estblished fact.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14624724/#:~:text=variation%20in%20heritability%20of%20body,In

finally someone with a brain holy shit

 

[idkwhattoputhere]

+12IU of hgh and it didn’t change a single thingView attachment 3972432

his jaw is literally wider lmao, you can tell even through the roid bloat and shit collagen. also if you think he was natty at 18 youre a fucking brainlet, nobody is claiming peptides or gh or steroids will change your bones after development, its about suing during development that can and WILL effect how you look

 

[SlayerJonas]

my black genetics are superior by a mile nigger

Superior in what exactly? Picking cotton and having a shotgun nose?

the claims you make are heavily exaggerated or misleading in detail.

Yeah let's just move the whole point of the thread away that peptides won't fucking morph you into Chad to nitpicking on the small details not worth any discussion because most people won't read those molecules.

There is a difference between thickening and lengthening of the bone.

This whole garbage reply just to say this?

Although its true that bone lengthening cannot occur if grow plates are closed, bone can still thicken. Growth hormone can promote periostel apposition(process where new bone is added to the outer surface of bone) This process can possibly thicken or elongate the jaw contour. This explains why individuals with acromegaly can still alter their facial structure even after puberty.

Just because a bone thickens marginally (referring to periosteal apposition) doesn't mean it's going to significantly increase in size where it could be aesthetically significant. Which is also very unrealistic considering all bones in your body would grow in size if that'd happen.

"buzz word" bone mass is the colloquial term used here for thicker bones, just because something has been tiktokified doesnt mean its not valid.

You are assuming too much again. Obviously targeting a term is just me making fun of you retard.

my anecdotal evidence is my post history. i ran a baby dose of 10mg mk677 for 5 months

JFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL surely the 10mg of mk did so fucking much. It is fascinating how your whole reply is just you manifestating that your mk microdosing protocol (your effort) resulted in something positive meanwhile it certainly was just natural growth or slightly enhanced growth velocity.

you didnt address literally anything i said, you just claimed there was a lack of anecdotal evidence when you didnt even look and failed to address why your statement about there being no studies is flawed.

also my skeleton is not a problem lmao, 6' htn with an 18 inch biacromial. i just dont like when people spread misinformation based on some "research" thats summed up to absence of evidence = evidence of absence while simulataneously ignoring any evidence presented to you in favour of the opposing party. you think youre coming out with some massive trvke, theres a weird obsession on this forum that associated debunking everything as cope because youre "too high iq" to believe anything works

Hyperfixating on this part just revealed once again what a retard you are. Absence of evidence is still absence of evidence, typical case of a retard having a conclusion on something and just using any opportunity (bad opportunity) to talk about it. The whole point is that there is STILL no proof, not the explanation behind it retard.

his jaw is literally wider lmao

BTW, congratulations you went through puberty and descended. Looks like your whole skull just fucking grew down.

The "low Chad" in question:
Mk677 "ascension" in question:
The periosteal apposition in question:

@chadisbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē

 

[idkwhattoputhere]

Superior in what exactly? Picking cotton and having a shotgun nose?

Yeah let's just move the whole point of the thread away that peptides won't fucking morph you into Chad to nitpicking on the small details not worth any discussion because most people won't read those molecules.

This whole garbage reply just to say this?

Just because a bone thickens marginally (referring to periosteal apposition) doesn't mean it's going to significantly increase in size where it could be aesthetically significant. Which is also very unrealistic considering all bones in your body would grow in size if that'd happen.

You are assuming too much again. Obviously targeting a term is just me making fun of you retard.

JFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL surely the 10mg of mk did so fucking much. It is fascinating how your whole reply is just you manifestating that your mk microdosing protocol (your effort) resulted in something positive meanwhile it certainly was just natural growth or slightly enhanced growth velocity.

View attachment 3989993

Hyperfixating on this part just revealed once again what a retard you are. Absence of evidence is still absence of evidence, typical case of a retard having a conclusion on something and just using any opportunity (bad opportunity) to talk about it. The whole point is that there is STILL no proof, not the explanation behind it retard.

View attachment 3990019

BTW, congratulations you went through puberty and descended. Looks like your whole skull just fucking grew down.

The "low Chad" in question:
Mk677 "ascension" in question:
The periosteal apposition in question:

View attachment 3990039

@chadisbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē

my front is lhtn, also congrats on choosing a barrel stuffed lense distorted pic vs mirror selfie!!! if you can’t tell a difference in bone mass you’re fucking blind

mirin reading comprehension skills lmao, my SIDE PROFILE mogs my front to oblivion, this is what mk did in only 5 months

 

[gingergreycell]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

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1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

high iq

 

[2414763h]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

Damn a lot of words to explain some basic stuff

 

[chadisbeingmade]

this is what mk did in only 5 months

What? What did it do? Absolutely nothing?

 

[Djimo]

mirin reading comprehension skills lmao, my SIDE PROFILE mogs my front to oblivion, this is what mk did in only 5 months

View attachment 3990132View attachment 3990101

nothing changed

 

[idkwhattoputhere]

What? What did it do? Absolutely nothing?

are you actually fucking stupid? are you blind? are you both? even my mom said my cheekbones and jaw are sharper unprompted. if you don’t see a difference you’re choosing not to so you don’t have to admit that the “cope” isn’t cope

 

[chadisbeingmade]

are you actually fucking stupid? are you blind? are you both? even my mom said my cheekbones and jaw are sharper unprompted. if you don’t see a difference you’re choosing not to so you don’t have to admit that the “cope” isn’t cope

My view is purely objective, yours simply is not. I have no reason to cope, I blast the shit out of roids, growth hormone, other peptides etc. I would be coping if I was saying this with a bias opinion against roids, i’m not, i’m all for the use of them. Nothing changed.

 

[5aesar]

T1d stunts about 2-3cm according to studies on average

But imo as long as your hba1c was under 8 it shouldn‘t have impacted your height
And you could still grow an inch if you were a late bloomer

Yeah I kept growing even when my puberty was probably done and my a1c has been cooked but recently over the years gotten better that’s probably what contributed to a little more growth

 

[SlayerJonas]

Damn a lot of words to explain some basic stuff

"Basic" but there are retards claiming 10mg MK677 changed their entire skull in the same thread.

are you actually fucking stupid? are you blind? are you both? even my mom said my cheekbones and jaw are sharper unprompted. if you don’t see a difference you’re choosing not to so you don’t have to admit that the “cope” isn’t cope

My view is purely objective, yours simply is not. I have no reason to cope, I blast the shit out of roids, growth hormone, other peptides etc. I would be coping if I was saying this with a bias opinion against roids, i’m not, i’m all for the use of them. Nothing changed.

The MK677tard went completely silent after this dropped.

 

[repulse]

If u take them during puberty like testosterone, AI, hGH etc u could come out better looking than if u didn't take them? Your bones surely would change during puberty as that's the time where u go from soft faced kid to a more masculine person but genetics will play a role in this

 

[idkwhattoputhere]

"Basic" but there are retards claiming 10mg MK677 changed their entire skull in the same thread.


The MK677tard went completely silent after this dropped.

i’m not replying to someone as stubborn as him, this is the ONLY place i’ve posted my ascension without people begging for advice in the replies. there’s no point in arguing with someone who, clearly, would sooner die than change their opinion on ANYTHING

 

[tunisianropemaxxer]

Bump, normies need to know this shit.
Im curious to know where people came to the conclusion on the fact that AAS can change the face. All the men they show just lose baby fat, the funnier part is that people need to understand that EVERYONE, has "bones" in their face, leaner=bones show, every single jewish rat had prominent looking zygos and hollow cheecks, yet they werent fucking high test or anything just very lean.

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The third guy looks like a dwarf and has a 10 inch bidelt yet zygo mogs the entire forum.
TDLR=EVERYONE HAS BONES
Im amused on the fact u can put thoughs into real words and convince masses to believe in something u have to say.
@Hernan @R@m@ @highinhibcel @flambria @Copercel

Yeah zero appeal tho its over

 

[tjino]

ig were jewmaxxing now

 

[silverakuma]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

Read every molecule + definitely top 3 posts I've ever seen in a year of lurking, I hate how dumbasses think peptides are automatically just gonna ascend you. Could say some other shit but I couldn't care less to say any more bs.

Other account was made in 2024 June/July JFL don't clown me for saying muhh fake 1 year lurk. "B-But you can't make a seperate account on org since it detects and bans you bro" I made the other account on a seperate email, on my phone and this one is on my pc with a different address.

 

[SlayerJonas]

If u take them during puberty like testosterone, AI, hGH etc u could come out better looking than if u didn't take them? Your bones surely would change during puberty as that's the time where u go from soft faced kid to a more masculine person but genetics will play a role in this

There's nothing "sure" about that because you're clueless.

i’m not replying to someone as stubborn as him, this is the ONLY place i’ve posted my ascension without people begging for advice in the replies.

You didn't ascend. By your own logic you'd ask Jordan Barrett for advice. Looks ≠ knowledge, but since people like you exist looks = perceived knowledge.

Blud took 10mg of MK677 and thinks he's some ascension expert, over ASAP shotgun to neurocranium.

ig were jewmaxxing now

How am I getting the Jew title for reminding people to think twice before doing something retarded?

Read every molecule + definitely top 3 posts I've ever seen in a year of lurking, I hate how dumbasses think peptides are automatically just gonna ascend you.

Surgery is really one of the only ways to ascend but people rather cope. There is no "technique" or secret pathway to change the skull, people prefer to close their eyes though.

 

[imontheloose]

There's nothing "sure" about that because you're clueless.

You didn't ascend. By your own logic you'd ask Jordan Barrett for advice. Looks ≠ knowledge, but since people like you exist looks = perceived knowledge.

Blud took 10mg of MK677 and thinks he's some ascension expert, over ASAP shotgun to neurocranium.

How am I getting the Jew title for reminding people to think twice before doing something retarded?

Surgery is really one of the only ways to ascend but people rather cope. There is no "technique" or secret pathway to change the skull, people prefer to close their eyes though.

10mg MK677 gives more bone than any osteotomy ever could.

 

[ru58841]

10mg MK677 gives more bone than any osteotomy ever could.

mfs on this thread underestimate puberty maxing, if u start putting ru58841 on ur dick and blast 50mg of mk per day u will become a giga mogger

 

[Sachlichkeit]

my front is lhtn, also congrats on choosing a barrel stuffed lense distorted pic vs mirror selfie!!! if you can’t tell a difference in bone mass you’re fucking blindView attachment 3990108 mirin reading comprehension skills lmao, my SIDE PROFILE mogs my front to oblivion, this is what mk did in only 5 months

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[xkgr]

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The third guy looks like a dwarf and has a 10 inch bidelt yet zygo mogs the entire forum.

what the fuck did you google to find these pictures

 

[Oesteogenesis]

There's nothing "sure" about that because you're clueless.

You didn't ascend. By your own logic you'd ask Jordan Barrett for advice. Looks ≠ knowledge, but since people like you exist looks = perceived knowledge.

Blud took 10mg of MK677 and thinks he's some ascension expert, over ASAP shotgun to neurocranium.

How am I getting the Jew title for reminding people to think twice before doing something retarded?

Surgery is really one of the only ways to ascend but people rather cope. There is no "technique" or secret pathway to change the skull, people prefer to close their eyes though.

How would AAS or Peptides not promote significant development, I've seen that table where skull maturation/development is 85% by the age of 5 but how do people go from looking like a bug at 13 to having good development in later stages? Could it be baby fat, but I highly doubt it? Also, androgens promote masculisation, which supports features such as the browridge, chin, etc... which would make something like proviron with a test base amazing to use during mid-late puberty. This can also be seen in women who use AAS, which causes them to have more masculine features. Im currently 17 with partially open growth plates and a bone age of 17 too, i ordered 240ius of HGH currently, and i am planning on titrating up to 6-8 IUS daily over 4 months also, taking 50mg of proviron with HCG, and once i reach 8Ius i will run this stack for 12 months. If this helps in any way with my development, i will make a thread in the future, but id like to know your take on my stack and questions.

 

[szmyuss]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

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After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

dosen't sustained levels of igf-1 caused by peptides in puberty drive bone growth also with the right diet?

 

[SlayerJonas]

How would AAS or Peptides not promote significant development, I've seen that table where skull maturation/development is 85% by the age of 5 but how do people go from looking like a bug at 13 to having good development in later stages? Could it be baby fat, but I highly doubt it?

Same greycels saying this BTW:

Only a few mm's of mandibular growth would change your looks drastically, but it's simply not possible without surgery. It's a combination of reduced bf%, hypertrophied chewing musculature and facial hair giving the illusion of more developed bones.

Also, androgens promote masculisation, which supports features such as the browridge, chin, etc...

Don't use words you don't understand delusional monkey, using buzz words doesn't make your statement logical.

which would make something like proviron with a test base amazing to use during mid-late puberty.

Proviron is a dogshit compound and there's no reason to use it. Even worse that you wouldn't put in the effort and blast fucking tren.

This can also be seen in women who use AAS, which causes them to have more masculine features.

We aren't women. They literally live off a few mg's of androgens alone never being exposed to more. Anyway in most cases only the clit grows...

Im currently 17 with partially open growth plates and a bone age of 17 too, i ordered 240ius of HGH currently, and i am planning on titrating up to 6-8 IUS daily over 4 months also, taking 50mg of proviron with HCG, and once i reach 8Ius i will run this stack for 12 months. If this helps in any way with my development, i will make a thread in the future, but id like to know your take on my stack and questions.

Don't expect any bone growth. Get straight to blasting gear for muscle mass.

 

[imontheloose]

Same greycels saying this BTW:

View attachment 4017837

Only a few mm's of mandibular growth would change your looks drastically, but it's simply not possible without surgery. It's a combination of reduced bf%, hypertrophied chewing musculature and facial hair giving the illusion of more developed bones.

Don't use words you don't understand delusional monkey, using buzz words doesn't make your statement logical.

Proviron is a dogshit compound and there's no reason to use it. Even worse that you wouldn't put in the effort and blast fucking tren.

We aren't women. They literally live off a few mg's of androgens alone never being exposed to more. Anyway in most cases only the clit grows...

Don't expect any bone growth. Get straight to blasting gear for muscle mass.

That first part is perfectly said. Same folks obsessing over millimetres yet confused about 15% of craniofacial development somehow hugely contributing.

 

[repulse]

There's nothing "sure" about that because you're clueless.

Doesn't really answer my question

 

[idkmanimao]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

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If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

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1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

Back after doing some more research.

Nothing has changed other than masseters. Bone growth is not achievable. Or at least not during this day and age. This also shows that people don’t need bone growth when roiding to ascend. (Considering the fact they have good insertions/decent base.)

 

[SlayerJonas]

Doesn't really answer my question

I answered that question over and over already. Just because something sounds logical (to you), doesn't mean it reflects reality at all. Le testosterone isn't causing the masculinisation you expect it'd cause.

Back after doing some more research. View attachment 4018154View attachment 4018153 Nothing has changed other than masseters. Bone growth is not achievable. Or at least not during this day and age. This also shows that people don’t need bone growth when roiding to ascend. (Considering the fact they have good insertions/decent base.)

Finally a soul freed. Proud of you.

 

[repulse]

I answered that question over and over already. Just because something sounds logical (to you), doesn't mean it reflects reality at all. Le testosterone isn't causing the masculinisation you expect it'd cause.

Sure it won't give u some crazy chad face I totally agree, but if u have the genetics for it, roiding should technically give u what u want?

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Sure it won't give u some crazy chad face I totally agree, but if u have the genetics for it, roiding should technically give u what u want?

What you should expect from roids is a good
physique provided you have other factors in check (both genetic factors like frame etc, as as nutrition, training etc), nothing else.

 

[repulse]

What you should expect from roids is a good
physique provided you have other factors in check (both genetic factors like frame etc, as as nutrition, training etc), nothing else.

Sure that’s also something to expect but if ur roiding during puberty it should definitely give a better outcome granted u do it correctly ?

 

[Sketchyy]

5’10 2 weeeks later so doing something right

fucking frauder, head probably tilted up like you were taking a passport photo

 

[SlayerJonas]

What you should expect from roids is a good
physique provided you have other factors in check (both genetic factors like frame etc, as as nutrition, training etc), nothing else.

Sure that’s also something to expect but if ur roiding during puberty it should definitely give a better outcome granted u do it correctly ?

You are clinically retarded. We've told you the truth so many times in a row and you still say the same shit.

Your perspective is limited because you have no knowledge so you can't assess whether the outcome would be realistic or not. Again, it won't make a difference.

 

[repulse]

You are clinically retarded. We've told you the truth so many times in a row and you still say the same shit.

Your perspective is limited because you have no knowledge so you can't assess whether the outcome would be realistic or not. Again, it won't make a difference.

I don't know why ur so angry lol. Shit I'm clinically retarded for asking a question then u give me a bullshit answer, I guess optimizing hormones in puberty wouldn't make a difference...

 

[SlayerJonas]

I don't know why ur so angry lol. Shit I'm clinically retarded for asking a question then u give me a bullshit answer, I guess optimizing hormones in puberty wouldn't make a difference...

No, you're clinically retarded for coping over and over and literally closing your eyes infront of reality (meaning you're a normie).

JFL at "optimising hormones", literally suggests you haven't even looked into anything before saying this.

Roiding during puberty only speeds up growth velocity at best. Now get the fuck out of my retinae.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

No, you're clinically retarded for coping over and over and literally closing your eyes infront of reality (meaning you're a normie).

JFL at "optimising hormones", literally suggests you haven't even looked into anything before saying this.

Now get the fuck out of my retinae.

LaDarius Jones III (aka @SlayerJonas) is correct once again.

Tagging my other favs
my fav congolese illegal immigrant @chadisbeingmade
my fav jewish-abo manlet friend @ReadBooksEveryday

 

[imontheloose]

No, you're clinically retarded for coping over and over and literally closing your eyes infront of reality (meaning you're a normie).

JFL at "optimising hormones", literally suggests you haven't even looked into anything before saying this.

Roiding during puberty only speeds up growth velocity at best. Now get the fuck out of my retinae.

LaDarius Jones III is correct once again.

Don’t you think vitamin C produces collagen in 20 minutes?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Don’t you think vitamin C produces collagen in 20 minutes?

Ask my three best friends.

LaDarius Jones III (aka @SlayerJonas)
my fav congolese illegal immigrant (lives in marseille) @chadisbeingmade
my fav jewish-abo manlet friend @ReadBooksEveryday

 

[imontheloose]

Ask my three best friends.

LaDarius Jones III (aka @SlayerJonas)
my fav congolese illegal immigrant (lives in marseille) @chadisbeingmade
my fav jewish-abo manlet friend @ReadBooksEveryday

Neither @chadisbeingmade or @SlayerJonas are a friend of yours.

 

[repulse]

No, you're clinically retarded for coping over and over and literally closing your eyes infront of reality (meaning you're a normie).

JFL at "optimising hormones", literally suggests you haven't even looked into anything before saying this.

Roiding during puberty only speeds up growth velocity at best. Now get the fuck out of my retinae.

Hormones are very important during puberty u want them optimised to maximise growth

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Neither @chadisbeingmade or @SlayerJonas are a friend of yours.

The fact that LaDarius gave you the hmmm... face says otherwise.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Tagging my new croatian sub3 manlet friend @imontheloose

 

[Boyoshutup]

Bump, normies need to know this shit.
Im curious to know where people came to the conclusion on the fact that AAS can change the face. All the men they show just lose baby fat, the funnier part is that people need to understand that EVERYONE, has "bones" in their face, leaner=bones show, every single jewish rat had prominent looking zygos and hollow cheecks, yet they werent fucking high test or anything just very lean.

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The third guy looks like a dwarf and has a 10 inch bidelt yet zygo mogs the entire forum.
TDLR=EVERYONE HAS BONES
Im amused on the fact u can put thoughs into real words and convince masses to believe in something u have to say.
@Hernan @R@m@ @highinhibcel @flambria @Copercel

Gauntmaxxing is the way

 

[nikitas_venizelos]

I dissagre becuse i hate jews nigger and all heil hitler

 

[unknownhtnfromeu]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

Im in puberty rn so shøuld I be doing it or nah

 

[unknownhtnfromeu]

No words for this shit, I still dont get it why asians have chubby faces compared to other races
But for normal humans u would look very different with low bodyfat if we are being realistic

Not all Asians mostly east

 

[shehzadgillani]

Someone finally said it

 

[segmt]

Yes agree

what about osteoporosis meds? teriparatide etc..
simvastatin

 

[coolman985]

How are you saying the body reaches the predicted height no matter what