The truth about steroids and peptides affecting bones/height

[idkwhattoputhere]

the claims you make are heavily exaggerated or misleading in detail.

There is a difference between thickening and lengthening of the bone. Although its true that bone lengthening cannot occur if grow plates are closed, bone can still thicken. Growth hormone can promote periostel apposition(process where new bone is added to the outer surface of bone) This process can possibly thicken or elongate the jaw contour. This explains why individuals with acromegaly can still alter their facial structure even after puberty. Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4319194/#:~:text=Bone growth is a three,1 on muscle tissue
”Environmental factors have no effect in height”
Most studies report a heritability of 70-90% . This topic is not a debate among scholars but a well estblished fact.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14624724/#:~:text=variation%20in%20heritability%20of%20body,In

finally someone with a brain holy shit

 

[idkwhattoputhere]

+12IU of hgh and it didn’t change a single thingView attachment 3972432

his jaw is literally wider lmao, you can tell even through the roid bloat and shit collagen. also if you think he was natty at 18 youre a fucking brainlet, nobody is claiming peptides or gh or steroids will change your bones after development, its about suing during development that can and WILL effect how you look

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

my black genetics are superior by a mile nigger

Superior in what exactly? Picking cotton and having a shotgun nose?

the claims you make are heavily exaggerated or misleading in detail.

Yeah let's just move the whole point of the thread away that peptides won't fucking morph you into Chad to nitpicking on the small details not worth any discussion because most people won't read those molecules.

There is a difference between thickening and lengthening of the bone.

This whole garbage reply just to say this?

Although its true that bone lengthening cannot occur if grow plates are closed, bone can still thicken. Growth hormone can promote periostel apposition(process where new bone is added to the outer surface of bone) This process can possibly thicken or elongate the jaw contour. This explains why individuals with acromegaly can still alter their facial structure even after puberty.

Just because a bone thickens marginally (referring to periosteal apposition) doesn't mean it's going to significantly increase in size where it could be aesthetically significant. Which is also very unrealistic considering all bones in your body would grow in size if that'd happen.

"buzz word" bone mass is the colloquial term used here for thicker bones, just because something has been tiktokified doesnt mean its not valid.

You are assuming too much again. Obviously targeting a term is just me making fun of you retard.

my anecdotal evidence is my post history. i ran a baby dose of 10mg mk677 for 5 months

JFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL surely the 10mg of mk did so fucking much. It is fascinating how your whole reply is just you manifestating that your mk microdosing protocol (your effort) resulted in something positive meanwhile it certainly was just natural growth or slightly enhanced growth velocity.

you didnt address literally anything i said, you just claimed there was a lack of anecdotal evidence when you didnt even look and failed to address why your statement about there being no studies is flawed.

also my skeleton is not a problem lmao, 6' htn with an 18 inch biacromial. i just dont like when people spread misinformation based on some "research" thats summed up to absence of evidence = evidence of absence while simulataneously ignoring any evidence presented to you in favour of the opposing party. you think youre coming out with some massive trvke, theres a weird obsession on this forum that associated debunking everything as cope because youre "too high iq" to believe anything works

Hyperfixating on this part just revealed once again what a retard you are. Absence of evidence is still absence of evidence, typical case of a retard having a conclusion on something and just using any opportunity (bad opportunity) to talk about it. The whole point is that there is STILL no proof, not the explanation behind it retard.

his jaw is literally wider lmao

BTW, congratulations you went through puberty and descended. Looks like your whole skull just fucking grew down.

The "low Chad" in question:
Mk677 "ascension" in question:
The periosteal apposition in question:

@chadisbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē

 

[idkwhattoputhere]

Superior in what exactly? Picking cotton and having a shotgun nose?

Yeah let's just move the whole point of the thread away that peptides won't fucking morph you into Chad to nitpicking on the small details not worth any discussion because most people won't read those molecules.

This whole garbage reply just to say this?

Just because a bone thickens marginally (referring to periosteal apposition) doesn't mean it's going to significantly increase in size where it could be aesthetically significant. Which is also very unrealistic considering all bones in your body would grow in size if that'd happen.

You are assuming too much again. Obviously targeting a term is just me making fun of you retard.

JFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL surely the 10mg of mk did so fucking much. It is fascinating how your whole reply is just you manifestating that your mk microdosing protocol (your effort) resulted in something positive meanwhile it certainly was just natural growth or slightly enhanced growth velocity.

View attachment 3989993

Hyperfixating on this part just revealed once again what a retard you are. Absence of evidence is still absence of evidence, typical case of a retard having a conclusion on something and just using any opportunity (bad opportunity) to talk about it. The whole point is that there is STILL no proof, not the explanation behind it retard.

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BTW, congratulations you went through puberty and descended. Looks like your whole skull just fucking grew down.

The "low Chad" in question:
Mk677 "ascension" in question:
The periosteal apposition in question:

View attachment 3990039

@chadisbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē

my front is lhtn, also congrats on choosing a barrel stuffed lense distorted pic vs mirror selfie!!! if you can’t tell a difference in bone mass you’re fucking blind

mirin reading comprehension skills lmao, my SIDE PROFILE mogs my front to oblivion, this is what mk did in only 5 months

 

[gingergreycell]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
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If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
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1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
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After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

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high iq

 

[2414763h]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

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If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

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1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

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Damn a lot of words to explain some basic stuff

 

[chadisbeingmade]

this is what mk did in only 5 months

What? What did it do? Absolutely nothing?