The Ultimate pubertymaxxing guide, an introduction into androgens and growth factors, and how to apply them.

[TeenagePharmacy]

might be fake but there is someone who reportedly grew by taking just exemestane http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=17565.msg115717#msg115717

That's pretty crazy assuming it wasn't natural growth. It makes since AIs are prescribed for height.

 

[goat2x]

Any shedding or hairline changes?

no but when i say i have no relative with hairloss im not lying

 

[hairyballscel]

no but when i say i have no relative with hairloss im not lying

fuaark, my first cousin is bald at 25

 

[goat2x]

fuaark, my first cousin is bald at 25

then dint take this shit my nigga
it increases dht by 148%

 

[hairyballscel]

then dint take this shit my nigga
it increases dht by 148%

i know but he's an anomaly, no other men in my family have gotten bald that early on, at least when i take aromasin i'll know if my hair is sensitive to it and i could avoid it, my dad has to take lots of medication just to lower his DHT, even though he's not bald and only started balding at 40 so i could be fine

 

[Tom2004]

i know but he's an anomaly, no other men in my family have gotten bald that early on, at least when i take aromasin i'll know if my hair is sensitive to it and i could avoid it, my dad has to take lots of medication just to lower his DHT, even though he's not bald and only started balding at 40 so i could be fine

YOU NEED DHT FOR PENIS

 

[hairyballscel]

YOU NEED DHT FOR PENIS

lol i know, thats why im gonna take aromasin

 

[rax1337]

imagine thinking you can survive 25mg of exemestane.. jfl

 

[TeenagePharmacy]

imagine thinking you can survive 25mg of exemestane.. jfl

Ai's will stunt your growth since you'll kill yourself before 18 on them

 

[elfmaxx]

You've been at this for half a year now, when are you gonna show us some results?

 

[TeenagePharmacy]

You've been at this for half a year now, when are you gonna show us some results?

OP doesn't think heightmaxxing works anymore.

 

[elfmaxx]

OP doesn't think heightmaxxing works anymore.

Oh no
poor guy

 

[TeenagePharmacy]

Oh no
poor guy

He actually tried it unlike 99% of people promoting taking supraphysiological HGH doses.

 

[MentalistKebab]

imagine thinking you can survive 25mg of exemestane.. jfl

Ai's will stunt your growth since you'll kill yourself before 18 on them

Cope. I took 25mg aromasin ed for 1 month and nothing happened.

 

[hairyballscel]

imagine thinking you can survive 25mg of exemestane.. jfl

what do you think is a good dosage of aromasin is to be high T and low E?

 

[Deleted member 2756]

Cope. I took 25mg aromasin ed for 1 month and nothing happened.

everyone reacts differently to aromatase inhibitors. Completely dependent on your genetic makeup.

-dependent on the expression of CYP19A1 (if it's under-expressed you're more likely to need less exemestane)
-dependent on the expression of CYP3A4 (this is the enzyme that metabolizes exemestane into its inactive metabolite)
-dependent on whether you consumed fat with it.

 

[MentalistKebab]

everyone reacts differently to aromatase inhibitors. Completely dependent on your genetic makeup.

-dependent on the expression of CYP19A1 (if it's under-expressed you're more likely to need less exemestane)
-dependent on the expression of CYP3A4 (this is the enzyme that metabolizes exemestane into its inactive metabolite)
-dependent on whether you consumed fat with it.

Damn seems interesting. What else does my (non existent) reaction to Aromasin tell (about muscle building/fat burning etc) ?

 

[turkproducer]

Damn seems interesting. What else does my (non existent) reaction to Aromasin tell (about muscle building/fat burning etc) ?

You felt nothing, even at the start?

When I first jumped on Aromasin I felt weaker joints, slight aches and slightly weaker erections with a bit less energy. Nothing crazy though and only lasted for a few weeks of when I first used it.

 

[Deleted member 2756]

When I first jumped on Aromasin I felt weaker joints, slight aches and slightly weaker erections with a bit less energy. Nothing crazy though and only lasted for a few weeks of when I first used it.

It's completely genetic related. If you don't take it with fat than you're losing a lot of the potential drug.

 

[bruh3610]

Where am I supposed to get 2g of SAMe daily in enteric tablets? Is there anywhere that actually sells it in doses of 1000mg+?

Any pharmacy has them

 

[MentalistKebab]

You felt nothing, even at the start?

When I first jumped on Aromasin I felt weaker joints, slight aches and slightly weaker erections with a bit less energy. Nothing crazy though and only lasted for a few weeks of when I first used it.

Slightly loosened joints and I went to bath little more often only in first week. But I was clearly taking it after I eat something so I was definitly consumin it with fat

 

[turkproducer]

Slightly loosened joints and I went to bath little more often only in first week. But I was clearly taking it after I eat something so I was definitly consumin it with fat

yeah i has the exact same side effect of going toilet more..

i’m not on anything anymore but what do you take and what are your goals? heightmax?

 

[MentalistKebab]

yeah i has the exact same side effect of going toilet more..

i’m not on anything anymore but what do you take and what are your goals? heightmax?

I only used it for 1 month. And I will try heightmaxxing with Poseidons stack if I have money in the future. I might add aromasin to it you know, higher dht might be a good for dick size in long term.

 

[Deleted member 3635]

what kind of changes did you see?

Wider clavicles mandible got denser which made it bigger cheeks protruded a bit more laterally

 

[RAITEIII]

Wider clavicles mandible got denser which made it bigger cheeks protruded a bit more laterally

Age and for how long did u run this

 

[Deleted member 3635]

Age and for how long did u run this

20 and for 3 months also lifted weights and would like to add put liquid dht on my mandible and i should have also added liquid k2

 

[RAITEIII]

20 and for 3 months also lifted weights and would like to add put liquid dht on my mandible and i should have also added liquid k2

Chad

 

[Deleted member 3635]

Chad

Thanks Very close to if just need mse snd buccal fat removal GL on ur chad journey

 

[John McCormick]

they never use glucosamine, which 39 or 48 year old have u seen GROWING half an inch

Most likely a measurement error. Or they measured it in the morning. Everybody is half inch taller in the morning from spinal decompression. If it was like at least 2 inches, it would be something worthy to look at.

 

[John McCormick]

Strikes motto is 'ascend or die' and he takes it completely literally.
him and his lab rats are willing to die in order to grow, it's truly quite pathetic.

I'm willing to die for this. If I can be a matyr for height increase experiment and leave my name in history, it would be an ultimate honorable way to die.

 

[TeenagePharmacy]

If I can be a matyr for height increase experiment and leave my name in history, it would be an ultimate honorable way to die.

I respect the passion, but no one will care about this in 100 years. There's no benefit in everyone being taller, it just requires more natural resource use. This is one of the few examples where selfishness is a better reason than helping society on a macro level.

 

[rax1337]

I respect the passion, but no one will care about this in 100 years. There's no benefit in everyone being taller, it just requires more natural resource use. This is one of the few examples where selfishness is a better reason than helping society on a macro level.

fuck helping society in all cases, help yourself noone else will

 

[Deleted member 6400]

Yeah that’s what I’m gonna do. Hoping to get some frame/height gains from this. Not expecting that much since im 18.

Did you have some results?

 

[turkproducer]

I only used it for 1 month. And I will try heightmaxxing with Poseidons stack if I have money in the future. I might add aromasin to it you know, higher dht might be a good for dick size in long term.

you ever get back to it?

 

[MentalistKebab]

you ever get back to it?

Nah bro. My mom is greedy asf

 

[Mad Science]

I stumbled onto EvoMuse BMP in a different post and that reinvigorated interest in adult heightmaxxing for me. Going through this thread there really isn't much I can contribute that hasn't already been mentioned but I got a few things


Icariin increases BMP2 and BMP7. Icariin is found in horny goat weed. I don't know if we need to increase BMPs further then EvoMuse BMP does.

Forskolin inhibits FGF3. FGF3 inhibits chondrogenesis

Calcium-D Glucarate reduces estrogen receptor density and helps the liver flush out excess estrogens


Also this blog belongs to Tyler who is one of the founding authors on naturalheightincrease. The search on here pulls up results both from this ol blog of his and naturalheightincrease, which doesn't have a built in search. http://www.heightquest.com/


Some studies on Icariin. There's a lot of moving parts so this might not fit in with everything else. It does increase Runx2 which is something Strike was looking to avoid

Europe PMC

Europe PMC is an archive of life sciences journal literature.

europepmc.org

Icariin Augments Bone Formation and Reverses the Phenotypes of Osteoprotegerin-Deficient Mice through the Activation of Wnt/β-Catenin-BMP Signaling

Icariin has been mostly reported to enhance bone fracture healing and treat postmenopausal osteoporosis in ovariectomized animal model. As another novel animal model of osteoporosis, there is few publication about the effect of Icariin on osteoprotegerin-deficient ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Mad Science]

@Strike_Poseidon I was looking back to share this post from Mr_Wax but I see you was already in the thread

https://looksmax.org/threads/erdal-can-alkoclar-on-height-increase.74486/page-2#post-2339739

"FGF2 inhibited CNP dependent GC-B activity"

Dephosphorylation is the Mechanism of Fibroblast Growth Factor Inhibition of Guanylyl Cyclase-B

Activating mutations in fibroblast growth factor receptor 3 (FGFR3) and inactivating mutations of guanylyl cyclase-B (GC-B, also called NPRB or NPR2) cause dwarfism. FGF exposure inhibits GC-B activity in a chondrocyte cell line, but the mechanism of ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I'm of the train of thought that we don't know exactly how much FGF2 is increased from EvoMuse BMP. It does concern me that stacking other FGF2 agonist alongside EvoMuse BMP might push the FGF2 too high


If I try this stack I'm going to do it with either puerarin or wu tang + MK677 instead of hexarelin, whichever has lesser FGF2. Instead of 2g of SAM-e I'm going to do either 800mg or the depression dose. Everything else will be done with no corners cut unless I discover some interaction in the coming weeks

 

[Mad Science]

I found a text document from way back with notes from the days of XCrunner and Hakker. Most of Hakkers work was on his private forum so there's no web archive for that. I don't have much notes but I have old memory that will probably get jogged by reading blogs that documented some of his stacks on naturalheightincrease

In the notes I also have a bunch of studies regarding CNP with many of them involving BMP, FGF2, FGF3, MAPK, Sox9, and more. I will need a few days to go through all of those studies both to relearn and to relate everything mentioned here to it. I won't have any updates for over a week or later when I really get the time to dig in

 

[Xxxpazxxx]

I turn 16 in 3 months worth to get on peptide stack?

 

[Stranix]

I found a text document from way back with notes from the days of XCrunner and Hakker. Most of Hakkers work was on his private forum so there's no web archive for that. I don't have much notes but I have old memory that will probably get jogged by reading blogs that documented some of his stacks on naturalheightincrease

In the notes I also have a bunch of studies regarding CNP with many of them involving BMP, FGF2, FGF3, MAPK, Sox9, and more. I will need a few days to go through all of those studies both to relearn and to relate everything mentioned here to it. I won't have any updates for over a week or later when I really get the time to dig in

Lets boil it down. Theoretically, is it absolutely and unequivocally possible to increase adult height? and if so, by how many inces

 

[RapGod]

Lets boil it down. Theoretically, is it absolutely and unequivocally possible to increase adult height? and if so, by how many inces

Yes, with leg lengthening lol

but aside from that, without the growth plate you're almost doomed. The only redeeming thing is Wolff's law. Bones have mechanical receptors and will grow and adapt to mechanical forces acted on it. This is unequivocally proven. The only problem is that it takes a lot of force, and it needs to be constant in order to cause bone remodeling. Theoretically you could change your skeleton's dimensions.

 

[Stranix]

Yes, with leg lengthening lol

but aside from that, without the growth plate you're almost doomed. The only redeeming thing is Wolf's law. Bones have mechanical receptors and will grow and adapt to mechanical forces acted on it. This is unequivocally proven. The only problem is that it takes a lot of force, and it needs to be constant in order to cause bone remodeling. Theoretically you could change your skeleton's dimensions.

I get that, but strike talks about how growth plate ossification is not a final process, they just get smaller and smaller until they stop being receptive to GH. I mean purely theoretically, wasn't there the story of that Adam Rainer guy who was a midget but then became a giant AFTER puberty. I know he had a tumor in his pituirary, but I feel as though him and others who get tumors in their pituitary prove that bone growth is possible at a theoretical level even after puberty. OFC it is not a safe process at all and so is moot, but just for proving that there are alternative ways of thinking about growth it still stands. I am not really looking for crazy dramatic growth, just a few inches and I don't want to risk something completely mechanical like LL.

 

[JustBeCurry]

I get that, but strike talks about how growth plate ossification is not a final process, they just get smaller and smaller until they stop being receptive to GH. I mean purely theoretically, wasn't there the story of that Adam Rainer guy who was a midget but then became a giant AFTER puberty. I know he had a tumor in his pituirary, but I feel as though him and others who get tumors in their pituitary prove that bone growth is possible at a theoretical level even after puberty. OFC it is not a safe process at all and so is moot, but just for proving that there are alternative ways of thinking about growth it still stands. I am not really looking for crazy dramatic growth, just a few inches and I don't want to risk something completely mechanical like LL.

just get a pituitary tumor to escape manletism theory

 

[RapGod]

I get that, but strike talks about how growth plate ossification is not a final process, they just get smaller and smaller until they stop being receptive to GH. I mean purely theoretically, wasn't there the story of that Adam Rainer guy who was a midget but then became a giant AFTER puberty. I know he had a tumor in his pituirary, but I feel as though him and others who get tumors in their pituitary prove that bone growth is possible at a theoretical level even after puberty. OFC it is not a safe process at all and so is moot, but just for proving that there are alternative ways of thinking about growth it still stands. I am not really looking for crazy dramatic growth, just a few inches and I don't want to risk something completely mechanical like LL.

Be optimistic for the future, for there may very well be a significantly safer and less invasive method of LL. There is a very real medical demand to develop the technology further to help people with bone disorders and leg length discrepancies.

For the Adam Rainer story, my theory is that he was lucky to have a delayed bone age. This is evident by his giant hands and feet for his height combined with growth retardation (which is correlated with premature bone age). The pituitary tumor then blasted HGH into his system and he grew an insane amount, due to his underdeveloped skeleton. Without the tumor I'm pretty positive he would have still had a growth spurt that pushed him into the 5 foot+ range easily.

With modern cases of acromegaly there does seem to be a minor height increase, but that only happens at the point where the person has severe acromegalic features to the point of deteriorating their facial features. The growth happens but it is not coming from the growth plate cartilage.

 

[Stranix]

Be optimistic for the future, for there may very well be a significantly safer and less invasive method of LL. There is a very real medical demand to develop the technology further to help people with bone disorders and leg length discrepancies.

For the Adam Rainer story, my theory is that he was lucky to have a delayed bone age. This is evident by his giant hands and feet for his height combined with growth retardation (which is correlated with premature bone age). The pituitary tumor then blasted HGH into his system and he grew an insane amount, due to his underdeveloped skeleton. Without the tumor I'm pretty positive he would have still had a growth spurt that pushed him into the 5 foot+ range easily.

With modern cases of acromegaly there does seem to be a minor height increase, but that only happens at the point where the person has severe acromegalic features to the point of deteriorating their facial features. The growth happens but it is not coming from the growth plate cartilage.

Could you elaborate on what the future of LL would look like? Would it be possible to do it for things like wrists or fingers or feet etc, whatever bone safely without fucking with the ligaments?

I have a theory on LL, usually it is thought that bone grown from LL is not as strong as natural bone thats why people say that it'll fuck you up in the later stages of your life. But what if you start strengtheining your bones by blasting whatever, HGH BMP k2 anything to the point where they just become very strong regardless and you also do conditioning training. Or perhaps some new medicine comes along for people to deal with osteoarthritis or whatever in their old age and we take it. My mother has arthritis and she takes a bunch of bone health stuff because the doctors recommend it.

 

[Mad Science]

Lets boil it down. Theoretically, is it absolutely and unequivocally possible to increase adult height? and if so, by how many inces

theoretically, it's possible since the mechanisms appear to exist. The problem is if it's realistically achievable. Personally I don't think any of this is possible with supplements and peptides because there's always some negative feedback where increasing one thing increases or decreases something else in the direction we don't want. All of these supplements have multiple effects beyond just the point of interest we're looking at. If we can acquire these growth factors exogenously we can cheat the bodies homeostasis mechanisms by having the right combination of factors elevated together that we otherwise never would have while using supplements to suppress others. I'm more optimistic about LSJL or LIPUS with the aid of a stack to enable it for height. Both LSJL and LIPUS raise and lower some of these factors locally where they are applied to so an LSJL or LIPUS stack would have to be design differently from a 100% systemic stack where you take a cocktail and just grow. Another consideration is what's the goal of these systemic stacks. Are we trying to chemically reactivate growth plates for longitudinal growth of the long bones or are we trying to make the articular cartilage grow to elongate the spine?

In the notes with a bunch of studies on CNP that I had saved from 8 or 9 years ago the notes I had were vague about CNP and FGF2 conflicting. I read through only 3 of them to re learn it and I was planning to make a quality post breaking it down but I found out that someone else @BasedSpinelet257 already did that work in this post https://looksmax.org/threads/erdal-can-alkoclar-on-height-increase.74486/page-2#post-2485318

Read all of his replies in that thread. It's exactly what I would have said but better organized then I would have wrote it up. I have other things I'm going to write up with some free time. Factors not mentioned in this thread, and a breakdown of all the ingredients in EvoMuse BMP. BMP is being used mainly because of 2 ingredients but it still has about 6 more ingredients that all do things too. They may happen to all elevate either BMP 2 or 7, but they do other things and not a single person here took the time to see what they all do because it might not even be worth using once we put it under the microscope.

 

[Stranix]

theoretically, it's possible since the mechanisms appear to exist. The problem is if it's realistically achievable. Personally I don't think any of this is possible with supplements and peptides because there's always some negative feedback where increasing one thing increases or decreases something else in the direction we don't want. All of these supplements have multiple effects beyond just the point of interest we're looking at. If we can acquire these growth factors exogenously we can cheat the bodies homeostasis mechanisms by having the right combination of factors elevated together that we otherwise never would have while using supplements to suppress others. I'm more optimistic about LSJL or LIPUS with the aid of a stack to enable it for height. Both LSJL and LIPUS raise and lower some of these factors locally where they are applied to so an LSJL or LIPUS stack would have to be design differently from a 100% systemic stack where you take a cocktail and just grow. Another consideration is what's the goal of these systemic stacks. Are we trying to chemically reactivate growth plates for longitudinal growth of the long bones or are we trying to make the articular cartilage grow to elongate the spine?

In the notes with a bunch of studies on CNP that I had saved from 8 or 9 years ago the notes I had were vague about CNP and FGF2 conflicting. I read through only 3 of them to re learn it and I was planning to make a quality post breaking it down but I found out that someone else @BasedSpinelet257 already did that work in this post https://looksmax.org/threads/erdal-can-alkoclar-on-height-increase.74486/page-2#post-2485318

Read all of his replies in that thread. It's exactly what I would have said but better organized then I would have wrote it up. I have other things I'm going to write up with some free time. Factors not mentioned in this thread, and a breakdown of all the ingredients in EvoMuse BMP. BMP is being used mainly because of 2 ingredients but it still has about 6 more ingredients that all do things too. They may happen to all elevate either BMP 2 or 7, but they do other things and not a single person here took the time to see what they all do because it might not even be worth using once we put it under the microscope.

Interesting, Where can I find out more about LSJL and LIPUS

 

[BasedSpinelet257]

I look forward to any further insight. At this point further research for me has reached the point of mental masturbation without release. Godspeed. @Mad Science

 

[Mad Science]

Interesting, Where can I find out more about LSJL and LIPUS

The Quest for Height: Grow Taller | Increase Height | Bone Size

Growing Taller: How Mesenchymal Stem Cells, Microfractures, Hydrostatic Pressure, and Periosteum makes increasing height possible

www.heightquest.com

Natural Height Growth | Cancer, Stem Cells, Regenerative Tissue Engineering, Transdifferentiation

LSJL.info

Increase your height by LSJL-Beginners Forum-Progress Forum-Success Forum-Exercise & Health Forum-General Discussion-Introduce Yourself-Height Increase Forum

www.tapatalk.com

The first site is the blog of Tyler (MiniGolfer). He stopped posting to that when he decided to join the second site with multiple authors. The last one is his forum for LSJL. You can also look up LSJL or Lateral Synovial Joint Loading. LIPUS stands for Low Intensity Pulsed Ultrasound.

Since the 2nd one is missing a search, use the 1st one since the search on there searches both sites. The last one the forum is basically the most active height forum around now excluding leg lengthening surgery forums. Hardly active compared to the old forums 9 years ago.

I look forward to any further insight. At this point further research for me has reached the point of mental masturbation without release. Godspeed. ❤ @Mad Science

Do it in increments. When I make my post maybe you will see something interesting to expand on. CNP is a dead end, eiher because nothing we can take will increase it or we just lack studies where CNP was measured.

 

[BasedSpinelet257]

heightquest.com
naturalheightgrowth.com

LSJL.info

Increase your height by LSJL-Beginners Forum-Progress Forum-Success Forum-Exercise & Health Forum-General Discussion-Introduce Yourself-Height Increase Forum

www.tapatalk.com

The first site is the blog of Tyler (MiniGolfer). He stopped posting to that when he decided to join the second site with multiple authors. The last one is his forum for LSJL. You can also look up LSJL or Lateral Synovial Joint Loading. LIPUS stands for Low Intensity Pulsed Ultrasound.



Do it in increments. When I make my post maybe you will see something interesting to expand on. CNP is a dead end.

Do you honestly believe there is a way to meaningfully increase height proportionally past epiphyseal fusion? If so, with compounds and molecules available to the public? If not, what about the future?

Also, here is a link to a write up of the BMP formula that may give you some further info. I hope it is of benefit.

EvoMuse BMP Writeup (UPDATED) - AnabolicMinds.com

Ok, guys - here is the writeup covering the updated formula. BMP 2.0 Write Up Intro EvoMuse released the original BMP formula almost a year ago and it became extremely popular with tons of great user feedback, fully delivering on the muscle building hype. During this time however, we’ve found a...

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