There is nothing wrong with restricting immigration based on race.

[Aladin]

Right and that’s wrong . Discriminating legally based on race is objectively morally wrong.

No it’s not. The United States used to do this for the majority of its history. Countries are entitled to whatever immigration restriction they choose, it is both a legal and a moral right.

If you were to discriminate based on wealth, level of education etc, than that’s fine. Idk what’s so hard to understand

No, because this implies countries don’t have sovereignty in the complete sense.

 

[Aladin]

It's all about education and where they are born and the environment they grow up in, not ethnicity

That's why all sorts of people from all sorts of countries are allowed into all sorts of countries, because those people still have ''the benefit of the doubt''

Of course, they may have certain restrictions (and this is based more on their country of origin, their culture and civilization, and especially their political environment in the country, not on ethnicity, and the fact that maybe in that country a certain ethnicity is dominant is totally irrelevant) for certain individuals, but also opportunities for inclusion if those individuals demonstrate that they are good citizens

Nope, this is denying sovereignty in the complete sense.

 

[lastofus123]

You’re retarded if you believe the average of someone’s ethnic group is irrelevant.

Its just retarded arguments all around when you see Arabs and blacks cause issues all over the west including countries like Australia despite them actually being relatively well off here

 

[True truecel]

No it’s not. The United States used to do this for the majority of its history. Countries are entitled to whatever immigration restriction they choose, it is both a legal and a moral right.

No, because this implies countries don’t have sovereignty in the complete sense.

You know what else was around for a half of US history? Slavery. Just because something was around in the past doesn’t make it right

YOU think countries are entitled to whatever immigration restriction they choose, and fair enough, but race shouldn’t be a relevant factor in that, that’s morally wrong.

Human beings all have equal moral worth when they are born.

You can still have sovereignty, it’s just morally wrong. Just like Afghanistan or North Korea, we know those states operate with morally questionable laws, yet they still have sovereignty, and no countries want to invest time and effort into helping the citizens of the countries, since war is not ideal.

Do you believe all humans deserve equal rights and have equal moral worth?

 

[Aladin]

Its just retarded arguments all around when you see Arabs and blacks cause issues all over the west including countries like Australia despite them actually being relatively well off here

Correct.

 

[Aladin]

You know what else was around for a half of US history? Slavery. Just because something was around in the past doesn’t make it right

YOU think countries are entitled to whatever immigration restriction they choose, and fair enough, but race shouldn’t be a relevant factor in that, that’s morally wrong.

Human beings all have equal moral worth when they are born.

You can still have sovereignty, it’s just morally wrong. Just like Afghanistan or North Korea, we know those states operate with morally questionable laws, yet they still have sovereignty, and no countries want to invest time and effort into helping the citizens of the countries, since war is not ideal.

Do you believe all humans deserve equal rights and have equal moral worth?

When I was in first grade, I wanted to invite a few kids in my class to my birthday party, however I was told I needed to invite them all.

Is immigration a first grade bday party?

If a country does not want to invite people at all, is that fine?

 

[reptiles]

Continuation:

Why are people so childish when it comes to discussions?

Imagine the following conversation: Person A: the NBA (national basketball association), is a form of entertainment. Person B: sure Person A: so there is no obligation to watch it. Any reason some person wants to not watch it is good enough. Person B: sure Person A: so if I don’t want to watch...

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Immigration is a privilege, not a right, so no matter what reason someone wants to reject someone for entering the country, said reason is fine, including racism reasons.

There is a thing called mass migration and there is a thing called racism this is racism this makes no logical sense if your coming from a shit hole country and you followed the legal process your not a burden on the host society.

Super low iq take ngl but even worse than that whites have giga low birth rates ontop of a public health care system good luck funding that cause your getting cooked if your race doesn't breed

 

[True truecel]

When I was in first grade, I wanted to invite a few kids in my class to my birthday party, however I was told I needed to invite them all.

Is immigration a first grade bday party?

If a country does not want to invite people at all, is that fine?

depends. On what basis did you not want to invite those kids? Based on their skin color or because you just didn’t like them?

 

[Aladin]

depends. On what basis did you not want to invite those kids? Based on their skin color or because you just didn’t like them?

In the case of the bday party I was closer with some kids than others. Some kids is disliked some I was neutral.

However that is irrelevant since immigration is people from foreign places.

Furthermore if a country does not want to invite anyone, why is that not fine, or is it?

 

[Aladin]

There is a thing called mass migration and there is a thing called racism this is racism this makes no logical sense if your coming from a shit hole country and you followed the legal process your not a burden on the host society.

Super low iq take ngl but even worse than that whites have giga low birth rates ontop of a public health care system good luck funding that cause your getting cooked if your race doesn't breed

I never said we should eliminate immigration 100%.

 

[True truecel]

In the case of the bday party I was closer with some kids than others. Some kids is disliked some I was neutral.

However that is irrelevant since immigration is people from foreign places.

Furthermore if a country does not want to invite anyone, why is that not fine, or is it?

That’s fine if a country does not want to invite anyone

In fact I think it’s a good thing, if you think it’s a good decision for your economy and the welfare of your people in the long term

But if a country discriminates on letting people into their country based solely on race, then the laws are racist.

I see no issue in letting people of different races into a country As long as they contribute to the economy, pay taxes, uphold good citizenship etc. If they don’t do these things, then they should be deported with only some MINOR margin of grace. After all the immigrants are going to a foreign country, so they have to abide by the laws of the country.

 

[Aladin]

That’s fine if a country does not want to invite anyone

So therefore a country is not obligated to let people in.

In fact I think it’s a good thing, if you think it’s a good decision for your economy and the welfare of your people in the long term

if a country believes it’s a good decision to discriminate on who to let in then that should be fine too.

The problem is advocating for this “all or nothing” approach. If a country decides to invite some, it needs to invite all, that is nonsense.

Furthermore, if a country does not want to let people if certain race in, why should people of that race want to enter said country, in order to be invaders in a place where most do not want them? That sounds like a leech.

 

[True truecel]

So therefore a country is not obligated to let people in.

if a country believes it’s a good decision to discriminate on who to let in then that should be fine too.

The problem is advocating for this “all or nothing” approach. If a country decides to invite some, it needs to invite all, that is nonsense.

Furthermore, if a country does not want to let people if certain race in, why should people of that race want to enter said country, in order to be invaders in a place where most do not want them? That sounds like a leech.

Well, we have to understand why immigrants come to western countries. Western countries are better economically and far superior in HDI. Those immigrants want better opportunities and lives for themselves and their families. That’s usually why they come.

I agree that a country being “forced” to invite all people is wrong. Like I said earlier, the thing that makes it morally wrong is racism. Grouping people together based on wealth, education, criminal history is fine.

If there are trends with race associated with those characteristics then we must ask ourselves why such an association exists.

For example, one of the main racists points is the 13 50 stat. Why does this occur? Obviously black people do indeed commit more crimes per capita, but it’s also because of over policing, because they live in economically poor areas, systemic racism etc.

Also leeches of what? As long as they are contributing to the economy and being a law abiding citizen, they are not doing any harm

 

[Aladin]

For example, one of the main racists points is the 13 50 stat. Why does this occur? Obviously black people do indeed commit more crimes per capita, but it’s also because of over policing, because they live in economically poor areas, systemic racism etc.

It’s because blacks possess lower impulse control:

I agree that a country being “forced” to invite all people is wrong.

Do you believe shaming a country is fine though? Shame can be coercive which is borderline force.

Well, we have to understand why immigrants come to western countries. Western countries are better economically and far superior in HDI. Those immigrants want better opportunities and lives for themselves and their families. That’s usually why they come.

no duh, so they’re willing to come despite not being wanted, which is what a leech would do.

 

[widdi]

I agree. Your nation is an extension of your family. You don’t need a rational reason to not chose to adopt a new son, no matter how smart or rich he may be. I think there’s a benefit to rationalizing immigration policy because gut level tribalism can be a dangerous thing. But once you have racially sealed off countries (more or less) or a demographically conscious immigration policy, I would find someone who wouldn’t want to watch black people on TV just because kind of weird.

 

[Michelangelo]

Continuation:

Why are people so childish when it comes to discussions?

Imagine the following conversation: Person A: the NBA (national basketball association), is a form of entertainment. Person B: sure Person A: so there is no obligation to watch it. Any reason some person wants to not watch it is good enough. Person B: sure Person A: so if I don’t want to watch...

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Immigration is a privilege, not a right, so no matter what reason someone wants to reject someone for entering the country, said reason is fine, including racism reasons.

I would say it depends if they are actually fleeing actual wars etc, most immigrants in europe are illegals and come here for money

 

[VolcelFTW]

sure but other countries have just as much as a right not to be trade partners with said country or enact sanctions if they want

 

[looksmaxxed]

genes represent an above 80% influence on the brain which means most if not all cognition and behavior is genetic, that includes values, politics, worldview, etc, and just because there are outliers in one generation, does not mean that behavior is representative of the race in general, and may revert to the mean within another generation or two. this is why the best blacks(judged socioeconomically) still commit more crime than the worst whites. criminality is obviously genetic.

even if you import exclusively outliers from countries with mean iq of 76, within several generations, they regress back to the mean.

when importing people consider the mean iq of the source population. importing from populations of less than 100 iq should be absolutely prohibited. what's the point of people with demographically lower iq than you if you expect them to "muh contribute"? or are people retarded enough to just to turn their country into a dumping ground for bio trash?

other considerations should be visual, cultural, and morality based compatibility, which is all highly correlated to race. genes come in a package. and the visual aspect is significant. discrimination will always exist because it is genetic, as soon as you "train" the more suggestible people into non racists who get themselves killed by niggers, the sooner you create the conditions for more racists to exist. discrimination/racism is evolutionarily adaptive.

a "progressive" society in that regard will always be subsumed by one that is not. the question is do you want it to be subsumed by 130iq white hunks who will carry on your values and customs, and a large portion of your genetics(the ones that matter and are good), or 76 iq ramjeets and 85 iq rasheeds

 

[widdi]

genes represent an above 80% influence on the brain which means most if not all cognition and behavior is genetic, that includes values, politics, worldview, etc, and just because there are outliers in one generation, does not mean that behavior is representative of the race in general, and may revert to the mean within another generation or two. this is why the best blacks(judged socioeconomically) still commit more crime than the worst whites. criminality is obviously genetic.

even if you import exclusively outliers from countries with mean iq of 76, within several generations, they regress back to the mean.

when importing people consider the mean iq of the source population. importing from populations of less than 100 iq should be absolutely prohibited. what's the point of people with demographically lower iq than you if you expect them to "muh contribute"? or are people retarded enough to just to turn their country into a dumping ground for bio trash?

other considerations should be visual, cultural, and morality based compatibility, which is all highly correlated to race. genes come in a package. and the visual aspect is significant. discrimination will always exist because it is genetic, as soon as you "train" the more suggestible people into non racists who get themselves killed by niggers, the sooner you create the conditions for more racists to exist. discrimination/racism is evolutionarily adaptive.

a "progressive" society in that regard will always be subsumed by one that is not. the question is do you want it to be subsumed by 130iq white hunks who will carry on your values and customs, and a large portion of your genetics(the ones that matter and are good), or 76 iq ramjeets and 85 iq rasheeds

Selective migration and regression towards the mean

Regression towards the mean only happens once

www.emilkirkegaard.com

You don’t understand regression to the mean. They don’t infinitely regress back to the mean. If this was the case evolution wouldn’t be possible lmao

Continuation:

Why are people so childish when it comes to discussions?

Imagine the following conversation: Person A: the NBA (national basketball association), is a form of entertainment. Person B: sure Person A: so there is no obligation to watch it. Any reason some person wants to not watch it is good enough. Person B: sure Person A: so if I don’t want to watch...

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@widdi @wishIwasSalludon @romanstock @Gamerspyy786 @Sub5UglyMan @Pento

Immigration is a privilege, not a right, so no matter what reason someone wants to reject someone for entering the country, said reason is fine, including racism reasons.

Agreed. You don’t need a rational reason to not adopt a kid into your family. He isn’t yours… that’s enough of a reason. Now maybe we can be altruistic and take a few immigrants in if they meet conditions, but it’s not a right for those people to be here.