Thoughts on popular saying "Balkanize the World" ?

[ForSKJ]

common saying, belief that multi ethnic countries should split apart and form ethno-states. I am lowkey for it because it would be nice to see who can be the most advanced. But diversity does have its strengths when applied correctly.

what degree of splitting should be allowed tho? some groups are very close, practically the same yet they have differences. eg: serbs and croats, ukrainians and russians, anglo saxons ( french, german, swiss), punjabis and seraikis, etc...

also large groups like dravidians have a lot of differences between them (tamil, telugu, kannadigga, mallu), yet they are similar....

i am typing this on 0 hours of sleep but im bored and i want 1000 reps

 

[ForSKJ]

bump

 

[jgrey080]

Basically make the world poor

 

[ForSKJ]

Basically make the world poor

i reckon more fragmentation would mean more development and trade between nations with less corruption and more isolation and poverty for nations with more corruption and less education. unfortunate but true. also would be important to see which nation would enslave their own people first.

 

[ForSKJ]

@SecularIslamist @GhostBoySwag @Gengar @Jason Voorhees @JasGews69x

 

[Jason Voorhees]

diversity, when not hijacked by soy politics, drives innovation, trade, and adaptability. Any split, even at the smallest level, risks petty grudges and resource fights, not advancement.

 

[ForSKJ]

diversity, when not hijacked by soy politics, drives innovation, trade, and adaptability. Any split, even at the smallest level, risks petty grudges and resource fights, not advancement.

yes i agree.

 

[GhostBoySwag]

i dont understand anything
ive read it 2-3 times i dont understand

can you explain it some brainrot terms or like make it more simpleified

 

[SecularIslamist]

common saying, belief that multi ethnic countries should split apart and form ethno-states. I am lowkey for it because it would be nice to see who can be the most advanced. But diversity does have its strengths when applied correctly.

what degree of splitting should be allowed tho? some groups are very close, practically the same yet they have differences. eg: serbs and croats, ukrainians and russians, anglo saxons ( french, german, swiss), punjabis and seraikis, etc...

also large groups like dravidians have a lot of differences between them (tamil, telugu, kannadigga, mallu), yet they are similar....

i am typing this on 0 hours of sleep but im bored and i want 1000 reps

I had a 100+ page argument with this a couple months ago with @CFW432 who denies he is Indian because he is Hyderbadi JFL.

Anyway I'm not a fan of nationalism and less so ethnonationalism. It makes sense for the Balkans and surprisingly it's relatively peaceful over there now. But it will cause lots of wars, discrimination and impractical. Not to mention, every fucking tribe will claim they are different over the smallest and irrelevant thing, and too much immigration has happened. Ethnicities are a fluid evolving and interactive human constructions shaped years of human history. We act like they're fixed biological realities, but shift over time and geographies.

I'm in favour of American style federalism which protects language and culture, while also being being a unified cohesive identity that incorporates many ethnicities.

 

[ForSKJ]

i dont understand anything
ive read it 2-3 times i dont understand

can you explain it some brainrot terms or like make it more simpleified

imagine some tiktokers stopped sharing an account and made their own account and posted there and only collab-ed with other tiktokers but never created a joint account. only collaborated on videos.

 

[GhostBoySwag]

imagine some tiktokers stopped sharing an account and made their own account and posted there and only collab-ed with other tiktokers but never created a joint account. only collaborated on videos.

ohh, that doesn’t sound nice

 

[Gengar]

@SecularIslamist @GhostBoySwag @Gengar @Jason Voorhees @JasGews69x

I don’t believe in them.

 

[Gengar]

I had a 100+ page argument with this a couple months ago with @CFW432 who denies he is Indian because he is Hyderbadi JFL.

Anyway I'm not a fan of nationalism and less so ethnonationalism. It makes sense for the Balkans and surprisingly it's relatively peaceful over there now. But it will cause lots of wars, discrimination and impractical. Not to mention, every fucking tribe will claim they are different over the smallest and irrelevant thing, and too much immigration has happened. Ethnicities are a fluid evolving and interactive human constructions shaped years of human history. We act like they're fixed biological realities, but shift over time and geographies.

I'm in favour of American style federalism which protects language and culture, while also being being a unified cohesive identity that incorporates many ethnicities.

CFW is right, he’s Hyderabadi.

 

[CFW432]

CFW is right, he’s Hyderabadi.

Secular thinks that a Bengali, Kashmiri, and a Tamil are all the same just cause they might happen to have an "indian" nationality.

 

[ForSKJ]

I don’t believe in them.

wdym

 

[Gengar]

wdym

In giving each ethnic group their own country. Nation states can work but not ethnic states.

 

[the_machinist_786]

I had a 100+ page argument with this a couple months ago with @CFW432 who denies he is Indian because he is Hyderbadi JFL.

Caged

 

[Gengar]

Caged

Only Indians somehow think it's funny.

 

[SecularIslamist]

In giving each ethnic group their own country. Nation states can work but not ethnic states.

CFW is right, he’s Hyderabadi.

You just literally contradict your own thoughts.

Caged

Curries live in their own world. Like I get it Id ve embarrassed to say I'm Indian too. But going around and self identifying as Hyderbadi living in America JFL. Anyone asks where you're from you better say Indian

 

[SecularIslamist]

Secular thinks that a Bengali, Kashmiri, and a Tamil are all the same just cause they might happen to have an "indian" nationality.

I never said that but whatever makes you feel good. And yes they are still Indian. Kashmir is controversial but it's wholly possible for Bengalis to also be "Indians" because of the large population that exists in India, despite the fact that. It's like saying only Persians are Iranians who make up only 50% of the populatio ln. That the Azeris but be Azerbaijanis lol.

 

[Gengar]

You just literally contradict your own thoughts.

No, I'm not. Hyderabad was a princely state even during the times of the British Raj, unlike our two countries now. Afterwards, it was militarily invaded and annexed by India, they didn't willingly join India, whereas our ancestors willingly joined West Pakistan and East Pakistan respectively.

 

[SecularIslamist]

No, I'm not. Hyderabad was a princely state even during the times of the British Raj, unlike our two countries now. Afterwards, it was militarily invaded and annexed by India, they didn't willingly join India, whereas our ancestors willingly joined West Pakistan and East Pakistan respectively.

Right... Do you know how many states, sultanates, principalities, autonomous regions, polities etc etc or whatever you want to call them that have existed throughout history? Even in India?

And also might makes right in politics.

 

[Gengar]

Right... Do you know how many states, sultanates, principalities, autonomous regions, polities etc etc or whatever you want to call them that have existed throughout history? Even in India?

And also might makes right in politics.

Of course, but most of them willingly joined India. That's the difference. Therefore I don't contradict myself, that's the whole point.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Of course, but most of them willingly joined India. That's the difference. Therefore I don't contradict myself, that's the whole point.

I'm making a point beyond India and willingly or not is irrelevant and if you knew anything about the bloody history of nationalism (especially in Europe) rather than Asia/middle east which was anti-colonial then you'd know it. I'm asking for logical consistency. There have been tens of thousands of identities and political entities. Forget south Asia. Are Bassque, Catalonians and Andalusians also Spanish or not? Because - by the way some of them also don't think of themselves as Spanish

 

[IraniancelV2]

Blah blah blah dnr, I will create a natsoc Iran and the Iranian race will rule the middle east

 

[CFW432]

I never said that but whatever makes you feel good. And yes they are still Indian. Kashmir is controversial but it's wholly possible for Bengalis to also be "Indians" because of the large population that exists in India, despite the fact that. It's like saying only Persians are Iranians who make up only 50% of the populatio ln. That the Azeris but be Azerbaijanis lol.

Explain how it's controversial for kashmiris but not for Bengalis or hyderabadis.

 

[Lars2]

balkan was the central point of history, (in the west--

i am balkan myself AKA i can be everything, i dont know i am just Lars

 

[looksmaxxed]

trying for that tiny hypothetical benefit from diversity just to have inifinite shitskins is never worth it. this is why all diversity is always bad.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Explain how it's controversial for kashmiris but not for Bengalis or hyderabadis.

Because it's claimed by both India and Pakistan. Duh.

Your imaginary state exists in your own head. You're Indian to 99.999999% of the world and even 99% of Hyderabadis themselves won't deny being Indian. You're Indian. End of.

 

[CFW432]

Because it's claimed by both India and Pakistan. Duh.

Your imaginary state exists in your own head. You're Indian to 99.999999% of the world and even 99% of Hyderabadis themselves won't deny being Indian. You're Indian. End of.

Lol. 99% of hyderabadis won't deny that hyderabad is in india the same way that a chechen wouldn't deny that Russia rules over Chechnya. But your average chechen wouldn't consider himself a Russian in the same way your average hyderabadi wouldn't consider themselves indian lol. I dare you to ask any hyderabadi muslim if he considers himself/ herself hyderabadi first, or indian.

We arent cucks like you Bengalis who always wanted to be apart of Pakistan first and then india. Deccanis have always seen themselves as unique and different from everyone else.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Lol. 99% of hyderabadis won't deny that hyderabad is in india the same way that a chechen wouldn't deny that Russia rules over Chechnya. But your average chechen wouldn't consider himself a Russian in the same way your average hyderabadi wouldn't consider themselves indian lol. I dare you to ask any hyderabadi muslim if he considers himself/ herself hyderabadi first, or indian.

So they would still call themselves Indian? First, second or third is irrelevant. I've mentioned Chechens before as an example. It's contextual anyway. You literally DENY being Indian.

We arent cucks like you Bengalis who always wanted to be apart of Pakistan first and then india. Deccanis have always seen themselves as unique and different from everyone else.

Wtf are you even talking about? Pakistan (and East Pakistan) as a newly establish state was not what it became.
Idc about Deccanis or Telegus. You go off so many tangents and talk about things that are so irrelevant. Holy fuck.

 

[Luquier]

I'm making a point beyond India and willingly or not is irrelevant and if you knew anything about the bloody history of nationalism (especially in Europe) rather than Asia/middle east which was anti-colonial then you'd know it. I'm asking for logical consistency. There have been tens of thousands of identities and political entities. Forget south Asia. Are Bassque, Catalonians and Andalusians also Spanish or not? Because - by the way some of them also don't think of themselves as Spanish

Every form of nationalism has to be tied to a genocide for some reason

 

[CFW432]

So they would still call themselves Indian? First, second or third is irrelevant. I've mentioned Chechens before as an example. It's contextual anyway. You literally DENY being Indian.

Wtf are you even talking about? Pakistan (and East Pakistan) as a newly establish state was not what it became.
Idc about Deccanis or Telegus. You go off so many tangents and talk about things that are so irrelevant. Holy fuck.

Lol do you not understand that there are many ethnicities around the world who do not have their own state, are ruled over by other nations/ ethnicities, and yet still make it a point to remind everyone they are their own ethnic identity?

Chechens, kashmiris, kurds,uyghurs, and of course hyderabadis/deccanis are an example of this.

Why should i call myself indian? I wasn't born in india lol. If anything i am actually an American moreso than i am "indian" , cause i was actually born and raised in the US, lol, not India.


Being hyderabadi is literally my ethnic heritage and we literally have a diaspora here in the US, just like there are plenty of Americans who are of German, or Irish, or Italian descent.

Wtf are you even talking about? Pakistan (and East Pakistan) as a newly establish state was not what it became.
Idc about Deccanis or Telegus. You go off so many tangents and talk about things that are so irrelevant. Holy fuck.

Lmao there you go putting deccanis and telugus in the same sentence and equivalating them once again you are a projecting bengali who thinks that muslims in south asia are just the muslim version of whatever hindu lives there.

And if we are so irrelevant, than why did you literally bring us up, and link me in this discussion.

You literally @ me, and then call me irrelevant Fucking projecting bengali.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Lol do you not understand that there are many ethnicities around the world who do not have their own state, are ruled over by other nations/ ethnicities, and yet still make it a point to remind everyone they are their own ethnic identity?

Chechens, kashmiris, kurds,uyghurs, and of course hyderabadis/deccanis are an example of this.

Yes and you are one of them. You're Indian. Just as much as Chechens are also Russians, basques/Catalans/Andalusians are Spanish, yazidis are Iraqis/Lebenese etc.

You were forced to confess the only way out of this is if everyone has there own mini nation-state which frankly isn't going to happen in South Asia because there would be hundreds.

Why should i call myself indian? I wasn't born in india lol. If anything i am actually an American moreso than i am "indian" , cause i was actually born and raised in the US, lol, not India.

Major cuck if you do this lmao. By the same logic I'm "British" but I would never identify it to people when they ask me where I'm from. You are Indian. If you ever go abroad and tell people you're American when they look back at you confused you'll be forced to say Indian.

Being hyderabadi is literally my ethnic heritage and we literally have a diaspora here in the US, just like there are plenty of Americans who are of German, or Irish, or Italian descent.

I never denied your ethnic heritage or identity retard. You are one of the

Lmao there you go putting deccanis and telugus in the same sentence and equivalating them once again you are a projecting bengali who thinks that muslims in south asia are just the muslim version of whatever hindu lives there.

I said I don't care. You were the one always mentioning them in the chat last month. You're all Indian to me. Different but still Indian. Just like how I'm different to Chittagongis pricks but I can admit they are still Bengali.

And if we are so irrelevant, than why did you literally bring us up, and link me in this discussion.

You literally @ me, and then call me irrelevant Fucking projecting bengali.

I only @ you because I argued the same thing and as you can see everyone thinks you're retarded. Obviously not your pals in the curry chat like @Gengar or @JohnDoe but anything that's anti-Indian (even if it's fiction) is true for them.

 

[Gengar]

Yes and you are one of them. You're Indian. Just as much as Chechens are also Russians

Just like Hyderabadis were forcibly made a part of India, so were Chechens forcibly made a part of Russia. Go tell a Chechen that he’s Russian and see what he will do to you.

 

[Gengar]

Lol do you not understand that there are many ethnicities around the world who do not have their own state, are ruled over by other nations/ ethnicities, and yet still make it a point to remind everyone they are their own ethnic identity?

Chechens, kashmiris, kurds,uyghurs, and of course hyderabadis/deccanis are an example of this.

Why should i call myself indian? I wasn't born in india lol. If anything i am actually an American moreso than i am "indian" , cause i was actually born and raised in the US, lol, not India.


Being hyderabadi is literally my ethnic heritage and we literally have a diaspora here in the US, just like there are plenty of Americans who are of German, or Irish, or Italian descent.



Lmao there you go putting deccanis and telugus in the same sentence and equivalating them once again you are a projecting bengali who thinks that muslims in south asia are just the muslim version of whatever hindu lives there.

And if we are so irrelevant, than why did you literally bring us up, and link me in this discussion.

You literally @ me, and then call me irrelevant Fucking projecting bengali.

Of course he’s projecting. He’s basically genetically Dravidian. He wants to drag down everyone with him.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Just like Hyderabadis were forcibly made a part of India, so were Chechens forcibly made a part of Russia. Go tell a Chechen that he’s Russian and see what he will do to you.

Do you really think Chechens deny being part of Russia? Maybe some edgy faggot does. Most people aren't so retarded.

Btw they also have 100s of ethnic groups... Tatars, Yakuts

 

[Gengar]

Do you really think Chechens deny being part of Russia? Maybe some edgy faggot does. Most people aren't so retarded.

They don’t consider themselves as Russians but Chechens. I’ve spoken to a couple of them online and they said the same thing. They will beat you up if you call them Russians. That’s why I said go call them Russians when you meet one irl, you’ll learn the hard way.

 

[SecularIslamist]

I’ve spoken to a couple of them online and they said the same thing.

Nice source

They will beat you up if you call them Russians. That’s why I said go call them Russians when you meet one irl, you’ll learn the hard way.

They are not ethnically russian you retard. I never said they are Russian in that sense. Chechnya is part of Russia. Hyderbad part of India. Not only that. It's slap bang in the middle

 

[SecularIslamist]

@Gengar I know you don't like to admit you're wrong - usually you stop replying when you admit you are.

But the title of this thread is balkanisation. Until India balkanizes then he will be Indian. And as a matter of fact since you like to listen to people online just Google / YouTube Hyderabadis and see if they call themselves Indian or not.

@cfw obviously hates being called Indian. Who doesn't? But it doesn't change facts.

 

[Gengar]

@Gengar I know you don't like to admit you're wrong - usually you stop replying when you admit you are.

But the title of this thread is balkanisation. Until India balkanizes then he will be Indian. And as a matter of fact since you like to listen to people online just Google / YouTube Hyderabadis and see if they call themselves Indian or not.

@cfw obviously hates being called Indian. Who doesn't? But it doesn't change facts.

No, I stop replying because I am not constantly on here. I was just about to watch some anime.

Well he hates being called Indian because his ancestors were raped and murdered by the same people you want him to be grouped into.

Also, like he said how can he be Indian when he’s born and raised in the west, and doesn’t have an Indian passport?

It’s the same with me, and most Pakistanis. Pakistani is a nationality and if we don’t have a passport how can we call ourselves Pakistani?

That’s why it’s silly when I see westerners claim to be Pakistani when they were born and raised in the west and don’t have a passport. Their parents are from Pakistan but they themselves can’t be Pakistani technically speaking as they don’t hold the passport.

They would just be whatever ethnicity they are, for example Punjabi.

But then again in Pakistan being Punjabi is cultural and linguistic so I am not even considered Punjabi technically speaking.

 

[Gengar]

You always JFL react when you are proven wrong. @SecularIslamist

 

[mogtivism]

common saying, belief that multi ethnic countries should split apart and form ethno-states. I am lowkey for it because it would be nice to see who can be the most advanced. But diversity does have its strengths when applied correctly.

what degree of splitting should be allowed tho? some groups are very close, practically the same yet they have differences. eg: serbs and croats, ukrainians and russians, anglo saxons ( french, german, swiss), punjabis and seraikis, etc...

also large groups like dravidians have a lot of differences between them (tamil, telugu, kannadigga, mallu), yet they are similar....

i am typing this on 0 hours of sleep but im bored and i want 1000 reps

Basically make the world poor

Watch the world collapse into many wars at the same time. It would be absolutely nonsensical.

“Ah yes let’s just split china into 9272252 different countries, one for the han chinese, one for the uyghurs, and let’s split the USA into 827262 different countries, one for mormons, another for the amish, one for west side African Americans, one for east side, and another for the cherokee tribe”

You’d be creating a ton of small and very impoverished nations, you’d have to split bosnia into like 6 different countries for example, and that none of which would have higher standards of living than Bosnia itself. Ultimately it’s not “diversity” that creates strength, it’s unity.

 

[idk769876]

I think it would be better to INDIANIZE the world. The world would be so good.

 

[SecularIslamist]

No, I stop replying because I am not constantly on here. I was just about to watch some anime.

Well he hates being called Indian because his ancestors were raped and murdered by the same people you want him to be grouped into.

Feelings are irrelevant. You can hate what your identity is universally considered a part of it doesn't change it. And like I said I'm asking for consistency. Native Americans were raped and fucked by colonizers too. They got 'forcibly' assimilated as American. They are ethnically native Americans. But still part of USA.

It's funny I'm giving so many examples of other situations where people don't mind or accept that their identity is part of being a broader group (including Hyderabadis) but you don't want to accept it. If you wanna live in a bubble fine. Just say it's your own bubble.

Also, like he said how can he be Indian when he’s born and raised in the west, and doesn’t have an Indian passport?

It’s the same with me, and most Pakistanis. Pakistani is a nationality and if we don’t have a passport how can we call ourselves Pakistani?

That’s why it’s silly when I see westerners claim to be Pakistani when they were born and raised in the west and don’t have a passport. Their parents are from Pakistan but they themselves can’t be Pakistani technically speaking as they don’t hold the passport.

They would just be whatever ethnicity they are, for example Punjabi.

But then again in Pakistan being Punjabi is cultural and linguistic so I am not even considered Punjabi technically speaking.

Saaaaar I am British saaar. My passport red, white and blue saaaaar. Don't call me Bengali saaaar.

 

[Gengar]

Feelings are irrelevant. You can hate what your identity is universally considered a part of it doesn't change it. And like I said I'm asking for consistency. Native Americans were raped and fucked by colonizers too. They got 'forcibly' assimilated as American. They are ethnically native Americans. But still part of USA.

It's funny I'm giving so many examples of other situations where people don't mind or accept that their identity is part of being a broader group (including Hyderabadis) but you don't want to accept it. If you wanna live in a bubble fine. Just say it's your own bubble.

Others may not mind but why are you dictating how others should feel based on completely different peoples? That make no sense.

Saaaaar I am British saaar. My passport red, white and blue saaaaar.

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You can still claim to be Bengali because Bangladesh is an ethno-state, but that doesn’t work for melting pots like Pakistan, the United States or even Israel. I cannot call myself an actual Pakistani since I don’t have a Pakistani passport. I am Dutch with ancestral ties to Pakistan.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Others may not mind but why are you dictating how others should feel based on completely different peoples? That make no sense.

That's retarded. Okay I feel American that suddenly makes me American. No it doesn't. Facts don't care about your feelings.

You can still claim to be Bengali because Bangladesh is an ethno-state, but that doesn’t work for melting pots like Pakistan, the United States or even Israel. I cannot call myself an actual Pakistani since I don’t have a Pakistani passport. I am Dutch with ancestral ties to Pakistan.

Not every state is an ethno-state! Pakistan, USA, India have many constiuent ethnic groups which are considered NATIVE to the land. Hyderabadis are one of the constiuent ethnic groups in India. Punjabs are another in Pakistan. And we can go on an on and list every single ethnic group.

Why do I have to explain basic concepts to you?

The only way you are right as a matter of fact and not feeling is if the world balkanizes. Until then you are Pakistani, cfw is Indian and I am Bengali. Yes we have our identities, linguistic/cultural and whatever differences on top of this and we call them Punjab, Sylethi, Hyderbadi, whatever. That's a separate point.

 

[Gengar]

That's retarded. Okay I feel American that suddenly makes me American. No it doesn't. Facts don't care about your feelings.

Not every state is an ethno-state! Pakistan, USA, India have many constiuent ethnic groups which are considered NATIVE to the land. Hyderabadis are one of the constiuent ethnic groups in India. Punjabs are another in Pakistan. And we can go on an on and list every single ethnic group.

Why do I have to explain basic concepts to you?

The only way you are right as a matter of fact and not feeling is if the world balkanizes. Until the you are Pakistani, cfw is Indian and I am Bengali. Yes we have our identities, linguistic/cultural and whatever differences on top of this and we call them Punjab, Sylethi, Hyderbadi, whatever. That's a separate point.

You need a Pakistani passport to be considered Pakistani. Just like how you need an American passport to be considered American. There’s no singular ethnic group up that’s called Pakistani or American.

Why do I have to explain a simple to grasp concept to you?

 

[SecularIslamist]

You need a Pakistani passport to be considered Pakistani. Just like how you need an American passport to be considered American. There’s no singular ethnic group up that’s called Pakistani or American.

Why do I have to explain a simple to grasp concept to you?

Your passport dictates your citizenship. That's it. I never said they were was a singular ethnic group. Where did I say this? I said there are CONSTIUENT ethnic groups that are native to that land / part of its identity.

But now you are denying you're Pakistani and he is saying he's American. JFL wtf is this this shit?

You change goalposts all the time.

 

[Gengar]

Your passport dictates your citizenship. That's it. I never said they were was a singular ethnic group. Where did I say this? I said there are CONSTIUENT ethnic groups that are native to that land / part of its identity.

But now you are denying you're Pakistani and he is saying he's American. JFL wtf is this this shit?

You change goalposts all the time.

He is American and I’m Dutch. Because our passports say so.

“muh shifting goalposts ” retard thinks we can only speak of one subject.