Ultimate Blackpill: Surgeons will reject you for your lack of looks

[AustrianMogger]

I have seen so many people on the forum say they had bad expierences with surgeons.
Surgeons beeing bluepilled.
Not doing what you want.
Rejecting you.
Saying you look "fine".

I am starting to think surgeons will just reject you if you are ltn or below if you have truely shitty bones.
A surgeon probably knows the limitations of his techniques and doesnt want to operate on oyu knowing you go from ltn to ltn or mtn.
I truely think beeing good looking and then doing surgery, like myself, mogs beeing a truecel and trying to acend to chad.
Most surgeons like to have 1 or 2 flaws to fix on your face while they leave the rest be.

Just today I was at an ortho for my invisalign. He told me i have perfect bite (class 1) but my front teeeht and bottom teeth are to much forward, which causes my prognatism. I said hyeah that causes some of my mouth protrusion and he could reduce a little bit. Very cool guy. I showed him a morph of my surgery i do with the other surgeon cause i said not sure if that impacts his treatmeant plan. He then showed me some genios that he did and said that doing genio + rhino on me is very smart and said would improve my face a lot. Then gave me a discount on the braces cause he liked me meaning i need to pay 2k for invisalign instead of 3.

 

[Stargazer]

I have seen so many people on the forum say they had bad expierences with surgeons.
Surgeons beeing bluepilled.
Not doing what you want.
Rejecting you.
Saying you look "fine".

I am starting to think surgeons will just reject you if you are ltn or below if you have truely shitty bones.
A surgeon probably knows the limitations of his techniques and doesnt want to operate on oyu knowing you go from ltn to ltn or mtn.
I truely think beeing good looking and then doing surgery, like myself, mogs beeing a truecel and trying to acend to chad.
Most surgeons like to have 1 or 2 flaws to fix on your face while they leave the rest be.

Just today I was at an ortho for my invisalign. He told me i have perfect bite (class 1) but my front teeeht and bottom teeth are to much forward, which causes my prognatism. I said hyeah that causes some of my mouth protrusion and he could reduce a little bit. Very cool guy. I showed him a morph of my surgery i do with the other surgeon cause i said not sure if that impacts his treatmeant plan. He then showed me some genios that he did and said that doing genio + rhino on me is very smart and said would improve my face a lot. Then gave me a discount on the braces cause he liked me meaning i need to pay 2k for invisalign instead of 3.

Nice job getting a discount. Fortunately I'm in America so Insurance can't deny covering a valid medical issue.

Amazingly, Lefort 1, BSSO, and SARPE/MARPE are covered by my insurance.

For all 3 in total, including orthodontics, visits, and everything total, it would cost me 15-20k. (Without insurance it would cost 75-130k)

 

[AustrianMogger]

Nice job getting a discount. Fortunately I'm in America so Insurance can't deny covering a valid medical issue.

Amazingly, Lefort 1, BSSO, and SARPE/MARPE are covered by my insurance.

For all 3 in total, including orthodontics, visits, and everything total, it would cost me 15-20k. (Without insurance it would cost 75-130k)

Nah i dont have that much teeth problems.
My front teeht are to much to the front (prognatism)
I have all teeth and gaps between teeth that can be used to pull them together.
Also 2k for 12ish months of treatment is good

 

[Stargazer]

Nah i dont have that much teeth problems.
My front teeht are to much to the front (prognatism)
I have all teeth and gaps between teeth that can be used to pull them together.

Nice, but I do, that's why I'm getting all 3. (SARPE, not MARPE)

Hope all procedures for you and I go well!

 

[Mr. Ali]

Shit, maybe that's the reason my ortho doesn't want to decomp me, and instead wants to do MARPE + compensation! But he is friends/ex-groupmates with Ramieri, so I have to convince him to decomp me.

 

[ltn_looksminner]

I have seen so many people on the forum say they had bad expierences with surgeons.
Surgeons beeing bluepilled.
Not doing what you want.
Rejecting you.
Saying you look "fine".

I am starting to think surgeons will just reject you if you are ltn or below if you have truely shitty bones.
A surgeon probably knows the limitations of his techniques and doesnt want to operate on oyu knowing you go from ltn to ltn or mtn.
I truely think beeing good looking and then doing surgery, like myself, mogs beeing a truecel and trying to acend to chad.
Most surgeons like to have 1 or 2 flaws to fix on your face while they leave the rest be.

Just today I was at an ortho for my invisalign. He told me i have perfect bite (class 1) but my front teeeht and bottom teeth are to much forward, which causes my prognatism. I said hyeah that causes some of my mouth protrusion and he could reduce a little bit. Very cool guy. I showed him a morph of my surgery i do with the other surgeon cause i said not sure if that impacts his treatmeant plan. He then showed me some genios that he did and said that doing genio + rhino on me is very smart and said would improve my face a lot. Then gave me a discount on the braces cause he liked me meaning i need to pay 2k for invisalign instead of 3.

2k for invisalign is so cheap damn

 

[AustrianMogger]

2k for invisalign is so cheap damn

yeah i know. He was like you are cool guy, we need people like you. you get 1k off. Also he wrote some shit up so i get government coverage cause i had a roated teeth

 

[BlackOctopus]

For them, being LTN-MTN is considered good-looking, they don't give a shit about your looks affecting your life. Their responses to my demands ruined my mental state.

I created a document differeanting "normal looks" and model looks, so the next time I don't have to deal with their shit. Not finished yet btw.

 

[Lookologist003]

so the next time

Please please please you have to tell me what their reactions are when you hand them all of these PSL images

 

[zemult]

not really how it works

 

[koops]

For them, being LTN-MTN is considered good-looking, they don't give a shit about your looks affecting your life. Their responses to my demands ruined my mental state.

I created a document differeanting "normal looks" and model looks, so the next time I don't have to deal with their shit. Not finished yet btw.

I think even if you had the potential to turn into the surgeons masterpiece via the surgery, the surgeon would reject you for this what the fuck man

 

[HairyHairyBoy]

hard to say

 

[lurking truecel]

Surgeon will reject you if you dont have realstic expecations and many ltn and below are delusional

 

[BlackOctopus]

Please please please you have to tell me what their reactions are when you hand them all of these PSL images

I'll tag you.

But from my experience, even for me it was hard to remain blackpilled during the meetings with them. Cortisol spikes hard and you just become weird around them. Maybe I should try apaurin beforehands to lower inhibition. Like you come in time and suddenly, you are blue/whitepilled for some reason.

I must mention meeting with the"Alpha" one.

As me and my father entered his office, he straight forwards asked me if I came for gynecomastia. I was thinking fuck, another insecurity unlocked. I told him I just have extra kilos and my chest would be fine. We spoke about 20 minutes about possible improvements, and as we were about to finish, he started talking about women, like he sensed why I came. Suddenly he turned into full-blast redpill coach and became very angry because of my insecurities. He started talking about his exes, how he made agreement with one to have a coffee with her new boyfriend and his new girlfriend to see who got better option. JFL. I could not believe what I was hearing. Dude is Gen-X, around 183cm tall (above average for his generation), good frame, but close set eyes and balding. As he was giving me "lessons" he occasionally had a chat with my father, like he already knows what he knows (but my father is a oofie-doofie JFL). On that we spent around 40 minutes. I was paralised, couldn't say a word, I just nodded, knowing that the advice he was giving couldn't be applied to me, but there was no way I could prove it to him. When we finished, my father thanked him, almost in tears, for "opening my eyes" and for explanation that I need no surgeries.

That guy unironically (or not) said that if I asked 10 girls out, 8 out of them would go on a date with me. I couldn't believe in how much different realities we live in. WW rated me 4/10, Nero Angelo 5/10, people here HLTN-LMTN. I had pictures in my phone where I looked HTN/Chadlite but as a sub5 as well. On top of that, there was a girl who was giving me mixed signals, making my identity even more unstable. She was objectively not interested in me, but my ego was not able to admit that, so the agony continued.

Later I found his son's tiktok sharing Tate's clips. It was all clear to me.

I am not going through that again.

 

[Lookologist003]

I must mention meeting with the"Alpha" one.

Wow. What a story. Thanks for sharing. It's disappointing that your surgery consultation was 2/3rds fucking PUA sarge. Did he tell you to hold frame? Did he tell you to neg a woman?

The generational divide is palpable many times when you speak to your dad or anyone whose dating life spanned the 1990s. I've experienced the same. But you only burn your hand on that stove once when trying to convert them towards what attracts women. Every blackpiller does it with their parents or bluepilled strangers, then never again. It's a rite of passage for blackpillers. The generational divide can be felt as immediately as how young people use smartphones against old people.

Later I found his son's tiktok sharing Tate's clips. It was all clear to me.

Was his son good-looking? Over for him if not. He doesn't have time to waste coping with that.

 

[BlackOctopus]

Wow. What a story. Thanks for sharing. It's disappointing that your surgery consultation was 2/3rds fucking PUA sarge. Did he tell you to hold frame? Did he tell you to neg a woman?

Yes, he did. Reminds me of Rehab's video.

The generational divide is palpable many times when you speak to your dad or anyone whose dating life spanned the 1990s. I've experienced the same. But you only burn your hand on that stove once when trying to convert them towards what attracts women. Every blackpiller does it with their parents or bluepilled strangers, then never again. It's a rite of passage for blackpillers. The generational divide can be felt as immediately as how young people use smartphones against old people.

That's howI understand why generational conflicts happen. The world your parents grew up in is not the same world you grow up in. And if you don't go through the difficulties that someone else has, you can't adequately put yourself in their shoes. Then there's a conflict that can't be resolved by talking.

Why does everyone hate boomers? Well, back then, anyone who worked a regular job could afford a car, a house, and support a family. They could get married early and enjoy life. As such, they simply can't have anything in common with the generations after them.

The same thing is happening with Gen-Z+ today when it comes to dating. In the meantime, social media has come along and we can see what women prefer in the opposite sex. Older people can't understand that today "winning" a girl is a humiliating ritual that leads nowhere.

Was his son good-looking? Over for him if not. He doesn't have time to waste coping with that.

He's about my looks level, I would say MMTN at best. Posts of expensive locations, views from the plane, exotic food, it was obvious to me that looks alone couldn't carry him.

 

[lixxle17.]

Yeah mate surgeons who perform surgeries on incels on the daily will reject u for being ltn

 

[Lookologist003]

Why does everyone hate boomers? Well, back then, anyone who worked a regular job could afford a car, a house, and support a family. They could get married early and enjoy life. As such, they simply can't have anything in common with the generations after them.

I've got this under the title "the diminishing value of unskilled labour" in my books. There are so many unskilled people like myself who don't have the means to do anything other than stock shelves or pack fries into a serving bag. And if you're blackpilled and know there's no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, it discourages you from becoming highly skilled and obtaining a lucrative career. Blackpilled guys don't want to be an ATM for a woman at 35 when she's done nothing but fuck Chads weekly since 16 years.

The reason that unskilled labor has diminishing value is mind-numbingly simple, there's another three billion or so people on earth since 1970. Just rudimentary supply and demand explains the economy in generational divides.

To get ahead and above dudes in the economy you need to have something special, like special property, like special skills, or a special face that convinces other dudes to give you money, like the Ascend Labs Powder Chad who was all over this forum in February and March. Women have a special vagina that convinces other dudes to give them money, and now they don't even have to put out. Thanks OnlyFans!

I'd give your essay an A in my school of the blackpill. You get it.

 

[Acquiescence]

But from my experience, even for me it was hard to remain blackpilled during the meetings with them. Cortisol spikes hard and you just become weird around them. Maybe I should try apaurin beforehands to lower inhibition. Like you come in time and suddenly, you are blue/whitepilled for some reason.

I would say this is just a natural reaction to interactions with others irl, especially normies, ESPECIALLY a health care provider type who will be directly working on you

I would honestly question anyone’s NT who doesn’t experience this phenomena

But you do have to be firm on some things or you’ll get gaslit out of the room and nothing will materially change (happened to me with hair loss meds lol)

 

[nathan V]

Ain’t that swell

 

[0 bone mass]

For them, being LTN-MTN is considered good-looking, they don't give a shit about your looks affecting your life. Their responses to my demands ruined my mental state.

I created a document differeanting "normal looks" and model looks, so the next time I don't have to deal with their shit. Not finished yet btw.

duboka psihoza

 

[BlackOctopus]

duboka psihoza

Ja svakom problemu pristupim temeljito i sistematično.

 

[stigmaboy]

lol that’s a solid discount man, good hustle

honestly though, the fact that insurance covers that level of work is wild. hope the treatment goes smooth for ya. get those teeth looking right, that's a good next step.