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[NegativeNorwood]

“ultimate guide”
You didn’t mention celtra duo like mine

True, forgot about it. It's zirconia reinforced lithium disilicate, so good for molars only. Not a big miss. Looks bad compared to well done indirect composites, let alone hand made refractory veneers.

 

[makeme183]

fucking nigga , you're stratospheric IQ
feel like a fool now for arguing with you jfl
how to we convert a 8 tooth smile to 12 tooth ( aka reduce buccal corridors ?) MSE ? Palate expanders ?

 

[NegativeNorwood]

fucking nigga , you're stratospheric IQ
feel like a fool now for arguing with you jfl
how to we convert a 8 tooth smile to 12 tooth ( aka reduce buccal corridors ?) MSE ? Palate expanders ?

Thanks jfl
It depends, if you have a truly narrow palate, SARPE with a custom bone anchored expander + braces.
If you have an ok palate but narrow dental arch, you can have surgically assisted braces (corticotomies and micro osteo perforations) to achieve it.

 

[MadTwatter]

True, forgot about it. It's zirconia reinforced lithium disilicate, so good for molars only. Not a big miss. Looks bad compared to well done indirect composites, let alone hand made refractory veneers.

My dentist told me they interact with light more realistically than Emax, especially in the UV spectrum. They glow in low light in a way that normal teeth do and Emax don’t. They’re nearly twice as expensive as Emax too.

 

[NegativeNorwood]

My dentist told me they interact with light more realistically than Emax, especially in the UV spectrum. They glow in low light in a way that normal teeth do and Emax don’t. They’re nearly twice as expensive as Emax too.

I'll confess I didn't read too much about them, only that they were zirconia layered lithium disilicate and saw some before and afters.

Still, if it is a brand name like Emax or Empress, it falls under the not fully custom made tier, and get's mogged by the hand made platinum foil or refractory porcelain ones for anterior teeth. If they have enamel like strenght like Emax (which they should), they would be an awesome choice for the molars IMO.
Higher strenght = lower translucency = worse aesthetics is a constant here, if it is bad for molars, it looks great for anterior teeth, that's why there are not refractory porcelain crowns for molars, they would break in a few days.

If they have higher translucency than Emax and similar strenght, then they are a great choice for people who need full mouth restorations and want to use a single material instead of mixing and matching.

 

[Rollie Pollie]

hey OP can you look at dr.Veytsman's minimal prep veneers in NYC and tell me if they are a good option?

Minimal Prep Veneers in Manhattan, NY | Dr. Victoria Veytsman

Minimal prep dental veneers are a highly aesthetic cosmetic dentistry option that transforms the appearance of an aging, discolored, or uneven smile.

veytsmandds.com

 

[NegativeNorwood]

hey OP can you look at dr.Veytsman's minimal prep veneers in NYC and tell me if they are a good option?

Minimal Prep Veneers in Manhattan, NY | Dr. Victoria Veytsman

Minimal prep dental veneers are a highly aesthetic cosmetic dentistry option that transforms the appearance of an aging, discolored, or uneven smile.

veytsmandds.com

Very bad, run as fast as you can. All the veneers look artificial and too opaque. In some cases, the patients already had perfect enamel and just needed braces/Invisalign, but he charged them lots of money for quick, low effort veneers instead. Wrong and unethical.

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

how do i know if my teeth are in a fucked up condition?

 

[HighClassMaxing]

no veneers for palate

sarpe or 9=0ver

 

[Rollie Pollie]

Very bad, run as fast as you can. All the veneers look artificial and too opaque. In some cases, the patients already had perfect enamel and just needed braces/Invisalign, but he charged them lots of money for quick, low effort veneers instead. Wrong and unethical.

damn thanks she was on top of my list. also amazing thread btw.

also looking into this guy, dr. kosdon. he has "highly esthetic feldspathic 'contact lens' veneers" that does the layering technique you described. could you please tell me if this doctor is good enough? his results look good to me.

His description: "Highly esthetic feldspathic “contact lens” veneers are super-thin veneers that require the minimum amount of tooth preparation prior to placement. In some cases, no preparation is required at all. These veneers are meticulously handcrafted using an innovative stacking technique, which micro-layers the porcelain to deliver a superior, natural-looking appearance."

His webpage: https://www.smilesofnyc.com/cosmetic-dentistry/porcelain-veneers-manhattan-new-york/

His results: https://www.smilesofnyc.com/gallery/

 

[Rollie Pollie]

wait im sorry to bother but could you please check out this other dentist. apparently she is the only one in NYC who does feldspathic using that platinum foil method you were describing. which dentist do you think mogs more, pia or kosdon?

feldspathic veneer webpage: https://www.cosmeticdentistrycenternyc.com/porcelain-veneers/

results: https://www.cosmeticdentistrycenternyc.com/before-and-after/

 

[NegativeNorwood]

damn thanks she was on top of my list. also amazing thread btw.

also looking into this guy, dr. kosdon. he has "highly esthetic feldspathic 'contact lens' veneers" that does the layering technique you described. could you please tell me if this doctor is good enough? his results look good to me.

His description: "Highly esthetic feldspathic “contact lens” veneers are super-thin veneers that require the minimum amount of tooth preparation prior to placement. In some cases, no preparation is required at all. These veneers are meticulously handcrafted using an innovative stacking technique, which micro-layers the porcelain to deliver a superior, natural-looking appearance."

His webpage: https://www.smilesofnyc.com/cosmetic-dentistry/porcelain-veneers-manhattan-new-york/

His results: https://www.smilesofnyc.com/gallery/

wait im sorry to bother but could you please check out this other dentist. apparently she is the only one in NYC who does feldspathic using that platinum foil method you were describing. which dentist do you think mogs more, pia or kosdon?

feldspathic veneer webpage: https://www.cosmeticdentistrycenternyc.com/porcelain-veneers/

results: https://www.cosmeticdentistrycenternyc.com/before-and-after/

First is bad. Second is decent but nothing great, and probably charges a fortune per teeth because it is based in New York.
Take a look at this, IMO this is how top tier veneers look like:





I reached out to him on IG and he told that he charges 1650€ per tooth in a full mouth restoration, so it is very expensive, but I guess cheaper than the ones you sent me. Look at how natural the results are in comparison, there's no contest.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Have you looked into the doctors in Jordan who advertise very good looking veneers?

 

[NegativeNorwood]

Have you looked into the doctors in Jordan who advertise very good looking veneers?

Gotta admit not too much. I found an armenian one that has godly results (Bagrat Sargsyan), but didn't tell me the price. Probably a fortune because he goes to conferences in Dubai and has 40k IG followers. Dr Averin in the OP is ucranian and doubled the price (which already was stratospheric) in just a couple of instagram posts in a very short amount of time.

There must be some pretty great doctors without many followers out there that charge reasonable prices and make top tier feldspathic veneers, but they must be really hard to find. Do you know some of them?

There's a clinic in Spain (Friedlander) that talks about hand made feldspathic veneers and charges up to 800€ per tooth according to their website, but barely have any results posted, most of them are ceramics and composites.

 

[Rollie Pollie]

Gotta admit not too much. I found an armenian one that has godly results (Bagrat Sargsyan), but didn't tell me the price. Probably a fortune because he goes to conferences in Dubai and has 40k IG followers. Dr Averin in the OP is ucranian and doubled the price (which already was stratospheric) in just a couple of instagram posts in a very short amount of time.

There must be some pretty great doctors without many followers out there that charge reasonable prices and make top tier feldspathic veneers, but they must be really hard to find. Do you know some of them?

There's a clinic in Spain (Friedlander) that talks about hand made feldspathic veneers and charges up to 800€ per tooth according to their website, but barely have any results posted, most of them are ceramics and composites.

do you think there are any good doctors in the new york / new jersey / connecticut area or should i travel somewhere? if im spending this big money it has to be with the very best. im surprised at the lack of options...

 

[NegativeNorwood]

do you think there are any good doctors in the new york / new jersey / connecticut area or should i travel somewhere? if im spending this big money it has to be with the very best. im surprised at the lack of options...

There should be some, that's for sure. Search on IG, I found all the good results using hasthags like #feldspathicveneers or #feldspathiccrowns. Best luck!

 

[Rollie Pollie]

bro im sorry i just trust your judgment way more than anything else 😭

would it be possible for you to find me a dentist that is at most a 2 hour flight from NYC that does veneers using the feldspathic aluminum foil stacking method that you described - a dentist whose results you think mog? price is not an issue, i just want the best aesthetic result possible with that feldspathic method you were describing

it's hard finding someone who says on their website they do feldspathic, and i dont have an aesthetic eye so idk what im even looking at.

I'll send you 0.1 ETH for the trouble just send me your addy

 

[NegativeNorwood]

bro im sorry i just trust your judgment way more than anything else 😭

would it be possible for you to find me a dentist that is at most a 2 hour flight from NYC that does veneers using the feldspathic aluminum foil stacking method that you described - a dentist whose results you think mog? price is not an issue, i just want the best aesthetic result possible with that feldspathic method you were describing

it's hard finding someone who says on their website they do feldspathic, and i dont have an aesthetic eye so idk what im even looking at.

I'll send you 0.1 ETH for the trouble just send me your addy

Wow man, thanks!
Will search for one that has great work and dm you later this weekend

 

[NegativeNorwood]

@Rollie Pollie DM me when you can bro, you don't have the dms enabled.

 

[Fulgrim]

how do i know if my teeth are in a fucked up condition?

same question @NegativeNorwood

 

[NegativeNorwood]

same question @NegativeNorwood

Visit a dentist to be 100% sure.
But as a rule of thumb, if teeth look like this, you are great candidate for veneers:

As you can see, the tooth are eroded and lost a large amount of enamel. No cleaning of bleaching is going to improve it. Ofc, those are extreme examples to make the explanation clearer.


A more subtle example:

This is NOT a candidate for veneers, because she has all her tooth enamel intact. The result you see here is from bleaching:

Bleaching wouldn't be helpful at all in the other cases because they need to augment their teeth, and as such they benefit from veneers. It would only be useful for people who wants veneers a shade or two whiter than their natural teeth AFAIK. But cleaning or bleaching alone only gives perfect smiles to people who already have them.

 

[overduenormal]

Timely thread

Am flying next week to Turkey to get 16 emax installed myself

8 on top 8 on bottom. Have since visited local ortho who has confirmed I have overbite 60-70 so hoping I can mewmaxx my way to a normal 30 occlusion 1 or i've done goofd. I honestly cba with invisaline.

Also been wondering recently if it is pointless to get veneers on bottom arch as they don't show when I smile. Thoughts OP?

 

[NegativeNorwood]

Timely thread

Am flying next week to Turkey to get 16 emax installed myself

8 on top 8 on bottom. Have since visited local ortho who has confirmed I have overbite 60-70 so hoping I can mewmaxx my way to a normal 30 occlusion 1 or i've done goofd. I honestly cba with invisaline.

Also been wondering recently if it is pointless to get veneers on bottom arch as they don't show when I smile. Thoughts OP?

If you have an overbite, get bimax first to fix it. Mewing won't do shit for you, stop coping.
Veneers after that. Oh, and I would run fast from that place just reading the words "EMAX-Turkey-210€ per veneer", 99.999% sure you'll get the most artificial, opaque nuclear white shit possible.

 

[overduenormal]

If you have an overbite, get bimax first to fix it. Mewing won't do shit for you, stop coping.
Veneers after that. Oh, and I would run fast from that place just reading the words "EMAX-Turkey-210€ per veneer", 99.999% sure you'll get the most artificial, opaque nuclear white shit possible.

Biomax is not an option.

Any alternatives, like filler? Thoughts on mewing too and why it’s not gonna do shit (am bottom bell iq). I’m getting them regardless, will be a good improvement on my current

 

[BlondeB1tch]

Is there point getting lower part done if its not visible when we smile and it's not crooked?

 

[NegativeNorwood]

Biomax is not an option.

Any alternatives, like filler? Thoughts on mewing too and why it’s not gonna do shit (am bottom bell iq). I’m getting them regardless, will be a good improvement on my current

Mewing will help you by not making you more recessed, but it won't give you a better bone structure, if you are over 8 years old, it's too late for that. It's like wanting to grow 5 inches at age 30 just by standing straight...pure bs.

Fillers are dogshit. If you are recessed, you need bimax, period.

Better to be a normal-ugly guy, than a botched one. Do things right or don't do them.

Is there point getting lower part done if its not visible when we smile and it's not crooked?

If lower teeth are perfect, not, because the upper veneers should match the lower teeth then and not be distinguishable from them if well done.
OTOH, if the lower teeth are in bad condition, you have to get veneers for them to make them perfect and match the veneers on the upper teeth, otherwise it looks uncanny af, because lower teeth show most of the time when smiling. Imagine how uncanny she will look if her lower teeth looked bad but the upper ones good:

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Ofc, if you have healthy teeth, just get a pro celaning and some bleaching done, it will be better than any veneer. This is for people who doesn't have healthy enamel (which can't be recovered) and as such is a good candidate for veneers.

a lot of retards get veneers even though their teeth look fine. examples are right here in this thread:

needed whitening and/or enamel reshaping at most

 

[NegativeNorwood]

a lot of retards get veneers even though their teeth look fine. examples are right here in this thread:

needed whitening and/or enamel reshaping at most

The first had one central incisor, one small lateral incisor and lacks part of the right canine. Went a bit overboard and should have gotten composites on those three instead of 8 veneers IMO.

Agree with the second, had perfect teeth and ruined them with those shitty zirconia veneers. A slight whitening should have been a perfect solution. The "dentists" that do those things should be put in jail.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

The first had one central incisor, one small lateral incisor and lacks part of the right canine. Went a bit overboard and should have gotten composites on those three instead of 8 veneers IMO.

Agree with the second, had perfect teeth and ruined them with those shitty zirconia veneers. A slight whitening should have been a perfect solution. The "dentists" that do those things should be put in jail.

first one could have still gotten this with just some whitening and minor enamel reshaping:

looks totally fine. at most she could have gotten composites to restore a bit of size on those two incisors like you said. but lol @ shaving down everything to get a full set of veneers here.

i'm surprised dentists even commonly agree to do veneers as much as they do when it really goes against their whole philosophy of preserving natural teeth as much as possible. kinda weird. guess it's greed.

 

[NegativeNorwood]

first one could have still gotten this with just some whitening and minor enamel reshaping:
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looks totally fine. at most she could have gotten composites to restore a bit of size on those two incisors like you said. but lol @ shaving down everything to get a full set of veneers here.

i'm surprised dentists even commonly agree to do veneers as much as they do when it really goes against their whole philosophy of preserving natural teeth as much as possible. kinda weird. guess it's greed.

Agree, 3 composite veneers (that do not need shaving tooth btw) would have been perfect, with an even better result than what he got. Damaging healthy teeth without reason is retarded.

I think most of them lack ethics, like the orthos that propose setbacks or extractions instead of expansion and jaw surgery. They know 100% what they are doing, but want easy money and don't care about the patients at all.