Unpopular opinion: Modern western women are the best

[Deleted member 18840]

Another seething incel haha
I love how I say something that shakes an incels worldview and they respond with rage and false accusations.

Your post above exactly paraphrases it, i admire your lack of sentience and high level of alzeihmer. Oh and i mog you so this incel shit doesn’t apply.

 

[AlexAP]

Modern western women tend to be more fat on average than non-western counterparts. The other things I agree with you, so it's probably about even imo.

Agree. The median in the West is much better still imo.

As a man you are still expected to work full-time just as in the past, except relatively speaking you make much less money. 2 income households are now the standard since the value of male labor has dropped significantly.

Sure back in the day you were more expected to take care of a woman financially than you do now, but you also had the means (high wage) to do that easily if you wanted so. So again about even.

Not true, living standards are much higher today. Women work because they want to, not because there is a financial need. Of course they use the extra money they earn for nice things (traveling and stuff), it's not like they would be poor without it.

Intelligence has been ranked as one of the least important and least attractive traits a person can have. Both for men and for women. It's not really relevant.

I'd rather have a woman that knows how to cook, gives massages, take care of the garden, take care of the kids, decorate the house, etc. than an 'intelligent' woman.
Modern women lose out here imo. Or call it even since it's basically irrelevant.

Maybe for some men, but the majority of non-dumb men would definitely like to have a woman that is not dumb. Being intelligent doesn't mean that they can't be nice and take care of the household too. This trope of "intelligent woman = bad character" is stupid.

Completely unrelatable. Most western women do not let their men be vulnerable in relationships and still expect them to be the leader, be stoic, etc.

Women actually have awful personalities nowadays: They are very demanding and entitled.
Back in the day a 'good husband' was a guy that wasn't abusing alcohol, was a hard-(physical) worker, a man that could be relied upon.
Nowadays women want all that, but he also has to be hot and live an exciting life, and to spoil/please her regularly. Standards are way higher.

Women also tend to do more domestic violence nowadays, since as a man I am not allowed to beat them or use other ways to stay in control. The amber heard case is a clear example.

Also: Women don't take care of their boyfriends/husbands anymore. They don't cook, they don't spoil you, they will not give you sex when they are not in the mood themselves, and so on.

Modern western women lose HARD in the personality department.

I guess you don't know how traditional women were and how Third-world women still are today. Tradtional women are much more demanding of their men than modern women, they want stoic men who bring all the money, modern women accept men who have a stable job and a decent personality.

Of course the most important thing today is looks anyway. But they're not Chad only. Normies can get Beckys.

Sexual liberation is awful because you are unlikely to be chad. When a woman has a n-count of 20, you are going to be compared to all her sexual partners in the past, and are very unlikely to measure up to them. Not in dicksize, not in dominating her properly.

Women in the past had less experience and therefore were less demanding sexually. Modern women still starfish just as often as in the past and aren't really into their husbands/boyfriends.

Also: Cheating has been completely normalized due to sexual liberation. Women could have a boyfriend/husband and have sex mostly with men outside of that relationship. Cuckoldry.

Again modern women lose out hard.

Incels are a minority, you don't have to be Chad to have sex as a man. And all that stuff about she being damaged because of Chad is utter cope, it's not like all women will have 50 Chads in college jfl, most men and women will have LTR through most of their lifes and settle down at some point.

Cheating was completely normal in the time of traditional marriage. Every culture has a word for cuckolding, and there are genetic studies that proof that it always existed. There was actually never a time where cheating was more condemned than today, because the concept of romantic love is stronger today than before.

 

[Deleted member 15338]

An incel simp basically

Basically average incel

 

[youngmax]

Maybe for some men, but the majority of non-dumb men would definitely like to have a woman that is not dumb. Being intelligent doesn't mean that they can't be nice and take care of the household too. This trope of "intelligent woman = bad character" is stupid.

Unfortunately, it is almost always true.

Smart (actual smart, not pretentious) men want dumb women most of all, because they know how annoying and hedonistic smart women are, having grown up around them

*I guess you don't know how traditional women were and how Third-world women still are today. Tradtional women are much more demanding of their men than modern women, they want stoic men who bring all the money, modern women accept men who have a stable job and a decent personality*

then how come literally every man in Arabia is married. the stoicism and breadwinning is drilled in by the culture, any modern man could do it with ease. It’s not an actual requirement like looks in the West is

Incels are a minority, you don't have to be Chad to have sex as a man. And all that stuff about she being damaged because of Chad is utter cope, it's not like all women will have 50 Chads in college jfl, most men and women will have LTR through most of their lifes and settle down at some point.

Cheating was completely normal in the time of traditional marriage. Every culture has a word for cuckolding, and there are genetic studies that proof that it always existed. There was actually never a time where cheating was more condemned than today, because the concept of romantic love is stronger today than before.

She will never be as tight as she was with the first guy, tho.

 

[Deleted member 15338]

When discussing betabuxxing, I feel like it is important to make a distinction between a gold digger and a housewife. And I also feel like nearly everyone on this forum (myself included) would be willing to ''betabux'' for a housewife but not for a gold digger.

Being a gold digger and a housewife are 2 entirely separate things. A housewife is NOT a gold digger because a housewife is pulling her weight, she earns her keep. She’s there to look after the kids, to cook food, to wash clothes etc. That’s a hard job. Just as hard of a job as a man working outside of the house, albeit in a different way, of course. If the woman does her part, the man also has to do his part and pay for everything, to put a roof over everybody’s head, clothes on everyone’s back, petrol in the car, electricity etc.

A gold digger is a woman who wants a man to spoil her, pay for everything, take her on nice holidays, buy her nice things, pay for her drinks, pay for her meals etc. And she isn’t willing to lift a finger for him. Once in a blue moon, she might cook him some shitty meal as a superficial gesture but that’s it. She expects the man to do EVERYTHING while she does fuck all, that’s a gold digger.

The latter are the ones who are multiplying like cockroaches in today’s society whereas the former are basically unicorns at this point, at least in the west. This is probably the primary reason why users here are so resentful about the concept of betabuxxing.

So yeah, the third world would be a great option in acquiring an actual housewife and not a gold digger.

I was too lazy to explain this to a retard like op since like... 5 months ago ? Good job modcel

 

[MoggerGaston]

Not true, living standards are much higher today.

They're not. Technological progress in TVs, computers, netflix, whatever doesn't really improve life quality, standards.

Women work because they want to, not because there is a financial need.

In the netherlands you can't buy a house unless you have 2 incomes. The necessities (Food, Insurances, Car, Fuel, Electricity, Water) has all become incredibly expensive and hard to pay for on a single income.

Of course they use the extra money they earn for nice things (traveling and stuff), it's not like they would be poor without it.

So your income is household income. And her income is her income? How is that good in any way.

Maybe for some men, but the majority of non-dumb men would definitely like to have a woman that is not dumb. Being intelligent doesn't mean that they can't be nice and take care of the household too. This trope of "intelligent woman = bad character" is stupid.

Intelligent is not the same as educated. Women are just as intelligent now as 50 years ago.

I guess you don't know how traditional women were and how Third-world women still are today. Tradtional women are much more demanding of their men than modern women, they want stoic men who bring all the money, modern women accept men who have a stable job and a decent personality.

Modern women are incredibly picky and don't accept a guy with a stable job and a decent personality. We have an incel pandemic, marriage rates going down extremely hard and a huge part of the population that is perpetually single. All of this is due to women refusing to associate with men any longer, since women are the selectors/choosers of relationships, and because they no longer need men for anything.

The state is women's betabux provider nowadays. The fact that you can start a family as a single mother through a spermdonor and the state will pay for your kid's healthcare, education and give you extra money is INSANITY. Male taxpayers have become cucks just by paying taxes.

Of course the most important thing today is looks anyway. But they're not Chad only. Normies can get Beckys.

Normies can't get beckies as easily anymore as in the past or as in the third world. Not sure if you realize how bad hypergamy is nowadays.

Incels are a minority, you don't have to be Chad to have sex as a man. And all that stuff about she being damaged because of Chad is utter cope, it's not like all women will have 50 Chads in college jfl, most men and women will have LTR through most of their lifes and settle down at some point.

Partly true, it's not as black/white as that. But you can't deny it's worse now, than ever before in history and ever before anywhere else on the world.

More women than ever are riding the cock carousel being single.
More women than ever have high n-counts and settle down at a late age in life.
More women than ever get married very late in life and have children very late in life.

As a guy it's a terrible deal.

Also normies are not having sex with beckies very often. Beckies can mach HTNs/chadlites on tinder if they want sex. Why would they have casual sex with a normie? you are not making much sense here.

Cheating was completely normal in the time of traditional marriage. Every culture has a word for cuckolding, and there are genetic studies that proof that it always existed. There was actually never a time where cheating was more condemned than today, because the concept of romantic love is stronger today than before.

Cheating is extremely prevalent among young women nowadays. A boyfriend is just a FwB to the average girl. If it was this bad back then too, and everywhere else too, then thats fucked up.

 

[Looks234]

No better time to be good looking as a man than now

 

[Deleted member 15338]

They're not. Technological progress in TVs, computers, netflix, whatever doesn't really improve life quality, standards.


In the netherlands you can't buy a house unless you have 2 incomes. The necessities (Food, Insurances, Car, Fuel, Electricity, Water) has all become incredibly expensive and hard to pay for on a single income.


So your income is household income. And her income is her income? How is that good in any way.

Intelligent is not the same as educated. Women are just as intelligent now as 50 years ago.


Modern women are incredibly picky and don't accept a guy with a stable job and a decent personality. We have an incel pandemic, marriage rates going down extremely hard and a huge part of the population that is perpetually single. All of this is due to women refusing to associate with men any longer, since women are the selectors/choosers of relationships, and because they no longer need men for anything.

The state is women's betabux provider nowadays. The fact that you can start a family as a single mother through a spermdonor and the state will pay for your kid's healthcare, education and give you extra money is INSANITY. Male taxpayers have become cucks just by paying taxes.


Normies can't get beckies as easily anymore as in the past or as in the third world. Not sure if you realize how bad hypergamy is nowadays.


Partly true, it's not as black/white as that. But you can't deny it's worse now, than ever before in history and ever before anywhere else on the world.

More women than ever are riding the cock carousel being single.
More women than ever have high n-counts and settle down at a late age in life.
More women than ever get married very late in life and have children very late in life.

As a guy it's a terrible deal.

Also normies are not having sex with beckies very often. Beckies can mach HTNs/chadlites on tinder if they want sex. Why would they have casual sex with a normie? you are not making much sense here.


Cheating is extremely prevalent among young women nowadays. A boyfriend is just a FwB to the average girl. If it was this bad back then too, and everywhere else too, then thats fucked up.

People like OP needs a shotgun implant not long debates and paragraphs like this, kill his family too so low IQ genes wouldn't spread

 

[Deleted member 15338]

No better time to be good looking as a man than now

Forced meme, even Gigachads are going to marry with roasties

You won't be the first one to kiss your wife

 

[Looks234]

Forced meme, even Gigachads are going to marry with roasties

You won't be the first one to kiss your wife

Muh wife. The dopamine from the memories of slaying in your teens and early 20’s will compensate

 

[AlexAP]

When discussing betabuxxing, I feel like it is important to make a distinction between a gold digger and a housewife. And I also feel like nearly everyone on this forum (myself included) would be willing to ''betabux'' for a housewife but not for a gold digger.

Being a gold digger and a housewife are 2 entirely separate things. A housewife is NOT a gold digger because a housewife is pulling her weight, she earns her keep. She’s there to look after the kids, to cook food, to wash clothes etc. That’s a hard job. Just as hard of a job as a man working outside of the house, albeit in a different way, of course. If the woman does her part, the man also has to do his part and pay for everything, to put a roof over everybody’s head, clothes on everyone’s back, petrol in the car, electricity etc.

A gold digger is a woman who wants a man to spoil her, pay for everything, take her on nice holidays, buy her nice things, pay for her drinks, pay for her meals etc. And she isn’t willing to lift a finger for him. Once in a blue moon, she might cook him some shitty meal as a superficial gesture but that’s it. She expects the man to do EVERYTHING while she does fuck all, that’s a gold digger.

The latter are the ones who are multiplying like cockroaches in today’s society whereas the former are basically unicorns at this point, at least in the west. This is probably the primary reason why users here are so resentful about the concept of betabuxxing.

So yeah, the third world would be a great option in acquiring an actual housewife and not a gold digger.

I agree that a housewife is not a gold digger. And a housewife could be a good deal indeed, in the West or in the Third world.

I don't think that the West is full of gold diggers though, Tiktok and Instagram are a minority, most women will be with guys with average income.

The West can offer good options imo, if you are a Normie with a stable job you can get a Becky, the Third world can offer a housewife, that's good too. Imo, western women are smarter and having the extra income from her work is a plus too. But nothing against a good housewife, this can be very nice too.

 

[gamma]

Ethnic and black women that live in Us are considered "western women"?

 

[playboicarti]

until she cheats on you and run away with half your assets

 

[AlexAP]

Ethnic and black women that live in Us are considered "western women"?

Only if they are westernized. If they still live traditional like in their home countries, no.

 

[gamma]

Only if they are westernized. If they still live traditional like in their home countries, no.

Well all african american women are westernized

 

[Gestapo]

genetic studies that proof that it always existed

yes it's the way it has always been it's known as the alpha fuxx- beta buxx theory, you see it in all mammalian species
It's always the angry lazy incels that invent stupid social constructs to help cope with their subhumanity and laziness

 

[Deleted member 17430]

Eastern Europe is clearly superior.

- The best-looking women.

White women are the best looking, so it’s easy to correlate that with the west. Except for the fact that Eastern Europe exists.

In Eastern Europe women take better care of themselves, they aren’t fat, they don't have tattoos or piercings, they wear fashionable, but more modest feminine clothing. You won't see an eastern european woman wearing a hoodie and sweatpants or walking around like a stripper. They keep long hair and apply make up even better than western women tbh.

- Financially independent

It’s not seeing you as an ATM, it’s relying on you. As a man, don't you like the idea of being the most necessarily pillar in the household? It gives you leverage and it changes the dynamic and the way she treats you, you will be seen as more valuable and naturally respected more.

But if you like the idea of being unneeded and easily dispensable, then okay. That's why the divorce rate is over 50% in the west, 70% of which is initiated by the woman. Couples have nothing binding them together and whenever they have a big fight, instead of trying to work it out, they just leave. A marriage with both independent parties is a lot more fragile.

Also, it's not like she won't help out financially at all, most eastern european women do have jobs, but it's usually non demanding jobs like librarian, cashier, waitress and child care, etc. So that when it comes time to have kids, they will prioritize family over the job instantly. Once the kid grows out of the phase that needs the most care, she'll go back to one of these easy jobs.

- Intelligent

Just because they are more traditional, it doesn’t mean they aren't intelligent. I can guarantee you that going to college is not what changes someone into a person that can have enlightening conversations. This kind of intelligence isn't something that comes from studying for tests. If you don't have it by the end of high school, you won't get it in college. But yeah, granted, western women are more educated on average. It doesn't mean they're smarter, but they have more knowledge on their specific field of choice.

- Good personality

You're coping extremely hard right now. Western women are known to leave their man and stop respecting him after he opens up and cries in front of her. Western women are the ones that are always on the lookout for you to make a mistake and then leave you. Marriages in eastern europe are taken a lot more seriously and couples stay together through thick and thin. That makes for a much stronger connection.

Sexually liberated

Sex is about connection, not performance. Sexual compatibility is something that becomes harder and harder to attain the more people you have to compare to your partner. When you form a connection to one person with little to no prior experience, sex will be good regardless. The performance and compatibility come later, when you spend enough time together and learn what the other person likes.

 

[Gestapo]

Your post above exactly paraphrases it, i admire your lack of sentience and high level of alzeihmer. Oh and i mog you so this incel shit doesn’t apply.

Keep coping you stupid fat pig

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In Germany and the Netherlands, the majority of women seeking hymenoplasty are young Muslim women. We speak to doctors about the rising demand for the controversial procedure.

 

[Deleted member 18436]

- The best-looking women. With makeup, fashion and good hairstyle almost every women in the West can look good. They definitely look better than in the past. It is also true that non-white women who live in the West look better than the non-white women who live in their home countries.

- Financially independent. Most traditional women want betabuxxers, that means the man has to work hard to have access to her pussy. Modern western women can take care of themselves and will bring an extra-income to the table. Of course you should have a job too, but they don't see you as an ATM like Third-world women.

- Intelligent. "Muh all women only make gender studies degree at college", what a cope. Way less than 1% of all degrees in U.S. colleges are women's studies. Most women are as intelligent as men, there are a lot of smart women that you can have enlightening conversations with. Of course this is better than having a dumb women that only married you for money.

- Good personality. Women from non-western countries are very traditional. They want the man to earn all the money, be the leader, be stoic, never show emotions. Most western women let their men in relationships show vulnerability, that leads to a much closer connection between them.

- Sexually liberated. "Muh they're all whores", no, they just actually like sex instead of using it as bargain against their betabuxx husband. Sexual compatibility is important in a relationship, therefore waiting until marriage is stupid. It is much better when both like it than if the woman just lays there waiting for their betabuxx husband to finish.

JFL at users here glorifying betabuxx marriages in the Third world or the "good old times" in the West. Modern western women are the best by far. I can see how men with low SMV are frustrated, but don't cope with saying that western women are low-quality, that's just not true.

You stated all the reasons white woman are the worst

- The best-looking women . Therefore the most options therefore the pickiest white woman are cats that have too much food on the plate they don't want to eat

- Financially independent It's so good that's why white woman are choosing careers over relationships or starting a family then mass consumption to fuel the capitalist system built of woman buying dumb shit

- Intelligent. Woman do better in school due to style of learning boys are marked down for being boisterous woman sit down listen and shut the fuck up. Also if you want to go into affirmative action post ww2 and diversity quota's in jobs woman dont try hard in be my guest

- Good personality. Woman don't have personalities they are mostly all carbon copies to a great extent

- Sexually liberated. Being a whore is great so good they are the main reason the white population is declining so much. A society lives and dies with woman if they don't have enough kids or wait too long then end up having 1 kid. Not to mention housing shortages.

 

[Deleted member 16970]

the only people who believe this stuff are cuck sons of whore single mothers.

goes to show that our moral compass is entirely formed by our parents. and morality is complete cope

 

[AlexAP]

Keep coping you stupid fat pig

The Dangerous Business of Hymen Reconstruction Surgeries

In Germany and the Netherlands, the majority of women seeking hymenoplasty are young Muslim women. We speak to doctors about the rising demand for the controversial procedure.

www.vice.com

Indeed, many young Muslim women in the West are known to be promiscuous, especially Moroccan and Persian girls.

 

[recessed]

- The best-looking women. With makeup, fashion and good hairstyle almost every women in the West can look good. They definitely look better than in the past. It is also true that non-white women who live in the West look better than the non-white women who live in their home countries.

- Financially independent. Most traditional women want betabuxxers, that means the man has to work hard to have access to her pussy. Modern western women can take care of themselves and will bring an extra-income to the table. Of course you should have a job too, but they don't see you as an ATM like Third-world women.

- Intelligent. "Muh all women only make gender studies degree at college", what a cope. Way less than 1% of all degrees in U.S. colleges are women's studies. Most women are as intelligent as men, there are a lot of smart women that you can have enlightening conversations with. Of course this is better than having a dumb women that only married you for money.

- Good personality. Women from non-western countries are very traditional. They want the man to earn all the money, be the leader, be stoic, never show emotions. Most western women let their men in relationships show vulnerability, that leads to a much closer connection between them.

- Sexually liberated. "Muh they're all whores", no, they just actually like sex instead of using it as bargain against their betabuxx husband. Sexual compatibility is important in a relationship, therefore waiting until marriage is stupid. It is much better when both like it than if the woman just lays there waiting for their betabuxx husband to finish.

JFL at users here glorifying betabuxx marriages in the Third world or the "good old times" in the West. Modern western women are the best by far. I can see how men with low SMV are frustrated, but don't cope with saying that western women are low-quality, that's just not true.

In the past maybe like 5% of women were obese right now its 30%

I would rather take a slim woman with minimal make up over a landwhale with thicker make up than her skin

 

[recessed]

the only people who believe this stuff are cuck sons of whore single mothers.

goes to show that our moral compass is entirely formed by our parents. and morality is complete cope

Post was already garbage when he said that women nowadays look better than in the past jfl

 

[Gestapo]

Indeed, many young Muslim women in the West are known to be promiscuous, especially Moroccan and Persian girls.

Retards think enforcing harsh religions like Islam is the solution when in reality it just makes women do things in secret. Sexual liberation is needed and you will only see bottom of the barrel incels opposing it because it means they struggle to get pussy.

Even an incel can get pussy and be respected by women if he puts in the work but that's the problem. Incels HATE working and are some of the laziest people I have ever come across. They want pussy handed to them on a platter while looking like a pile of shit no wonder they think Islam is based.

 

[blackbencarson]

"western" you should just say european bc american women are trash euro women are much nicer and prettier

 

[Deleted member 18436]

In the past maybe like 5% of women were obese right now its 30%

I would rather take a slim woman with minimal make up over a landwhale with thicker make up than her skin

Due to processed food and woman getting lazy and entering the job market

 

[gamma]

Even an incel can get pussy and be respected by women if he puts in the work but that's the problem. Incels HATE working and are some of the laziest people I have ever come across

What kind of "work" are you talking about? Gym?

 

[recessed]

Due to processed food and woman getting lazy and entering the job market

Doesnt change the fact that his point about women being better looking now isnt true

maybe the top 20% of women are better looking than the top 20% of women in the past, but the average becky is definitely much uglier nowadays than then

 

[Deleted member 18436]

Doesnt change the fact that his point about women being better looking now isnt true

maybe the top 20% of women are better looking than the top 20% of women in the past, but the average becky is definitely much uglier nowadays than then

It's still true if looks is your only factor. My point is that woman just looking better doesn't make them better low term mates when you factor in ever downfall they have i am not coping i know white woman look the best. They are rotten to the core.

 

[recessed]

It's still true if looks is your only factor. My point is that woman just looking better doesn't make them better low term mates when you factor in ever downfall they have i am not coping i know white woman look the best. They are rotten to the core.

i agree somewhat but i think that OP is a retard if he thinks that women in past weren't intelligent or had worse personalities jfl as if having a degree and going clubbing every weekend is somehow a great personality

 

[Deleted member 18436]

i agree somewhat but i think that OP is a retard if he thinks that women in past weren't intelligent or had worse personalities jfl as if having a degree and going clubbing every weekend is somehow a great personality

Woman are intelligent but not in the way that men value it. Woman have needed to find ways to be chosen, protected, provided by. All woman are sociopaths by nature you can't trust woman.

 

[Lygodactylus]

- The best-looking women. With makeup, fashion and good hairstyle almost every women in the West can look good. They definitely look better than in the past. It is also true that non-white women who live in the West look better than the non-white women who live in their home countries.

- Financially independent. Most traditional women want betabuxxers, that means the man has to work hard to have access to her pussy. Modern western women can take care of themselves and will bring an extra-income to the table. Of course you should have a job too, but they don't see you as an ATM like Third-world women.

- Intelligent. "Muh all women only make gender studies degree at college", what a cope. Way less than 1% of all degrees in U.S. colleges are women's studies. Most women are as intelligent as men, there are a lot of smart women that you can have enlightening conversations with. Of course this is better than having a dumb women that only married you for money.

- Good personality. Women from non-western countries are very traditional. They want the man to earn all the money, be the leader, be stoic, never show emotions. Most western women let their men in relationships show vulnerability, that leads to a much closer connection between them.

- Sexually liberated. "Muh they're all whores", no, they just actually like sex instead of using it as bargain against their betabuxx husband. Sexual compatibility is important in a relationship, therefore waiting until marriage is stupid. It is much better when both like it than if the woman just lays there waiting for their betabuxx husband to finish.

JFL at users here glorifying betabuxx marriages in the Third world or the "good old times" in the West. Modern western women are the best by far. I can see how men with low SMV are frustrated, but don't cope with saying that western women are low-quality, that's just not true.

They're fucking bitches. Got 5 matches and all flaked. U want to move to the west curryboy? You're going to get subchad treatment. Brutal

 

[444]

And yet literally all American women treat sex as a bargaining chip with their husbands and look for providers.

 

[AlexAP]

They're not. Technological progress in TVs, computers, netflix, whatever doesn't really improve life quality, standards.

All these things do improve life quality, in general the fact that covering existential needs are a lower part of income shows that there have been a steady rise in living standards.

In the netherlands you can't buy a house unless you have 2 incomes. The necessities (Food, Insurances, Car, Fuel, Electricity, Water) has all become incredibly expensive and hard to pay for on a single income.

Buying a house, I agree. That is a very bad today. But things like food and cars are not more expensive today than they were generations ago, and a lot of households spend much of their income for luxury goods, which shows that there is indeed a rise in living standards.

So your income is household income. And her income is her income? How is that good in any way.

I didn't say that. The double income leads to the couple having more money to spend on goods, that can be for both (for example, traveling) or only for him or only for her.

Intelligent is not the same as educated. Women are just as intelligent now as 50 years ago.

Maybe. But women in the west are smarter than in non-western countries.

Modern women are incredibly picky and don't accept a guy with a stable job and a decent personality. We have an incel pandemic, marriage rates going down extremely hard and a huge part of the population that is perpetually single. All of this is due to women refusing to associate with men any longer, since women are the selectors/choosers of relationships, and because they no longer need men for anything.

The state is women's betabux provider nowadays. The fact that you can start a family as a single mother through a spermdonor and the state will pay for your kid's healthcare, education and give you extra money is INSANITY. Male taxpayers have become cucks just by paying taxes.

How would it be good if women would be with men out of economic needs and not because they really like him? Women would enter a relationship with a man if they would feel like the man would make her life better. Is betabuxxing really better?

Normies can't get beckies as easily anymore as in the past or as in the third world. Not sure if you realize how bad hypergamy is nowadays.

Yes I'm sure it's more difficult today, women care more about looks and not just money, still it's not like the average men has no chance.

Partly true, it's not as black/white as that. But you can't deny it's worse now, than ever before in history and ever before anywhere else on the world.

More women than ever are riding the cock carousel being single.
More women than ever have high n-counts and settle down at a late age in life.
More women than ever get married very late in life and have children very late in life.

As a guy it's a terrible deal.

Also normies are not having sex with beckies very often. Beckies can mach HTNs/chadlites on tinder if they want sex. Why would they have casual sex with a normie? you are not making much sense here.

I don't see it as bad if women have 1-2 kids instead of 3-4, and if they have them in their 30s. It's not like all men are waiting to get married with 20 but women don't want. In our times, men want to wait before getting married too. And about the cock carousel, this is always exaggerated here, most women don't sleep around a lot.

Cheating is extremely prevalent among young women nowadays. A boyfriend is just a FwB to the average girl. If it was this bad back then too, and everywhere else too, then thats fucked up.

Majority of men and women didn't even regard cheating as something bad until about the 70's. It was very common in the past. Spouses just looked away, marriages were economic arrangements. Would you like to get back to that times?

 

[444]

About betabuxxing: In the U.S., in about one-third of marriages women earn more now

You are such a liar. You lie about everything from Russia and Ukraine to this.

 

[444]

When discussing betabuxxing, I feel like it is important to make a distinction between a gold digger and a housewife. And I also feel like nearly everyone on this forum (myself included) would be willing to ''betabux'' for a housewife but not for a gold digger.

Being a gold digger and a housewife are 2 entirely separate things. A housewife is NOT a gold digger because a housewife is pulling her weight, she earns her keep. She’s there to look after the kids, to cook food, to wash clothes etc. That’s a hard job. Just as hard of a job as a man working outside of the house, albeit in a different way, of course. If the woman does her part, the man also has to do his part and pay for everything, to put a roof over everybody’s head, clothes on everyone’s back, petrol in the car, electricity etc.

A gold digger is a woman who wants a man to spoil her, pay for everything, take her on nice holidays, buy her nice things, pay for her drinks, pay for her meals etc. And she isn’t willing to lift a finger for him. Once in a blue moon, she might cook him some shitty meal as a superficial gesture but that’s it. She expects the man to do EVERYTHING while she does fuck all, that’s a gold digger.

The latter are the ones who are multiplying like cockroaches in today’s society whereas the former are basically unicorns at this point, at least in the west. This is probably the primary reason why users here are so resentful about the concept of betabuxxing.

So yeah, the third world would be a great option in acquiring an actual housewife and not a gold digger.

The concept of a housewife is stupid. What work is there to be done when kids are in school 8 hours a day

 

[TsarTsar444]

Your whole account here is just being a contrarian because why not jfl

 

[MoggerGaston]

Maybe. But women in the west are smarter than in non-western countries.

Then this is a reason why western women are worse since intelligence is an unattractive trait. STEMcels a clear example, and same deal for women in STEM too. Having an IQ above ~125 basically makes you behave socially autistic regardless whether you even are really autistic.

How would it be good if women would be with men out of economic needs and not because they really like him? Women would enter a relationship with a man if they would feel like the man would make her life better. Is betabuxxing really better?

Women don't really like men, they like chad.

The fact that A LOT of women don't marry the guys they are fucking in their 20s, but are marrying the guys they wouldn't fuck in their 20s says enough. So then yes: Betabuxxing + beating your wife when she misbehaves is better than being a cuck.

Yes I'm sure it's more difficult today, women care more about looks and not just money, still it's not like the average men has no chance.

The average man starts having a chance from his late twenties and onwards. And he's getting a chance at a mediocre deal at best.

I don't see it as bad if women have 1-2 kids instead of 3-4, and if they have them in their 30s.

Personal I guess. I wanted a family with a HQNP virgin girl in a big house with 5+ kids but when I realized this is extremely unlikely to happen in western europe I became depressed.

The lifestyle that is promoted by society/the media/you, fucking around in your 20s, then getting 1-2 kids with a 20+ n-count girl in her thirties, is disgusting to me.

I am still trying to adapt with the whole 'enjoy the decline' idea. Just fucking some sluts here and there. But it's unappealing to me because I am not a degenerate. Will have to find a new way in life.

the 70's. Would you like to get back to that times?

Yes please, any fucking day. Modern life is pure aids. The internet perhaps the worst invention of all times.

 

[AlexAP]

- The best-looking women . Therefore the most options therefore the pickiest white woman are cats that have too much food on the plate they don't want to eat

Well at least you agreed that they look the best.
Yes they have higher standards than before, because they were extremely low before when men just needed to have a job.

- Financially independent It's so good that's why white woman are choosing careers over relationships or starting a family then mass consumption to fuel the capitalist system built of woman buying dumb shit

Women having careers is nothing bad. Most young people don't want to get married with 20 anymore, so women study or get a job when they're young, nothing bad about that. And if they find a good career, nothing bad about that either, btw the majority won't have a big career and work only part-time instead.

- Intelligent. Woman do better in school due to style of learning boys are marked down for being boisterous woman sit down listen and shut the fuck up. Also if you want to go into affirmative action post ww2 and diversity quota's in jobs woman dont try hard in be my guest

Cope, Asian and Indian males do good in school and college, it's not about a style of learning that goes against boys.
I agree that affirmative action is bad though, but that isn't the sole explanation why women are more likely to have degrees today.

- Good personality. Woman don't have personalities they are mostly all carbon copies to a great extent

Maybe on Tiktok.

- Sexually liberated. Being a whore is great so good they are the main reason the white population is declining so much. A society lives and dies with woman if they don't have enough kids or wait too long then end up having 1 kid. Not to mention housing shortages.

I specifically said it's not about being promiscuous (most sex happens in LTR), it's about the fact that female pleasure is allowed. This is a better relationship than a woman being arrange marriaged as a virgin to a man she doesn't like and will never enjoy sex with.

 

[Gestapo]

What kind of "work" are you talking about? Gym?

gym is the bare fucking minimum which I guarentee most incels on here don't even bother to do because they are either lazy or think it's cope or both
Work includes improving looks, money, social status, and game and so on.

They claim they want the 'trad stay at home wife & hardworking breadwinner husband' all while being a NEET in their parents basement. They have no clue what it means to be hard working. They won't even do a minimum wage job to get started, they would rather rot on forums making no money all day.

 

[Enfant terrible]

- The best-looking women. With makeup, fashion and good hairstyle almost every women in the West can look good. They definitely look better than in the past. It is also true that non-white women who live in the West look better than the non-white women who live in their home countries.

- Financially independent. Most traditional women want betabuxxers, that means the man has to work hard to have access to her pussy. Modern western women can take care of themselves and will bring an extra-income to the table. Of course you should have a job too, but they don't see you as an ATM like Third-world women.

- Intelligent. "Muh all women only make gender studies degree at college", what a cope. Way less than 1% of all degrees in U.S. colleges are women's studies. Most women are as intelligent as men, there are a lot of smart women that you can have enlightening conversations with. Of course this is better than having a dumb women that only married you for money.

- Good personality. Women from non-western countries are very traditional. They want the man to earn all the money, be the leader, be stoic, never show emotions. Most western women let their men in relationships show vulnerability, that leads to a much closer connection between them.

- Sexually liberated. "Muh they're all whores", no, they just actually like sex instead of using it as bargain against their betabuxx husband. Sexual compatibility is important in a relationship, therefore waiting until marriage is stupid. It is much better when both like it than if the woman just lays there waiting for their betabuxx husband to finish.

JFL at users here glorifying betabuxx marriages in the Third world or the "good old times" in the West. Modern western women are the best by far. I can see how men with low SMV are frustrated, but don't cope with saying that western women are low-quality, that's just not true.

i agree

 

[Deleted member 15004]

Elaborate Reddit post

Get the fuck out of here you bluepilled niggerfaggot

 

[Cidre enjoyer]

True but not good if you want children and multiple of them
I think even yourself made a thread on how women now are on average less likely of wanting children than men

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Yes but that was past and they proved themselves to be strong warriors

@StreegeReturn Baghdad was a slave city one which used Turks as solder slaves and BBCs as slaves and white women as sex slaves. Baghdad deserved to be nuked off the earth the mongols destroyed it because the Muslims there were evil people and he punished them for their sins

 

[Deleted member 16853]

- The best-looking women. With makeup, fashion and good hairstyle almost every women in the West can look good. They definitely look better than in the past. It is also true that non-white women who live in the West look better than the non-white women who live in their home countries.

- Financially independent. Most traditional women want betabuxxers, that means the man has to work hard to have access to her pussy. Modern western women can take care of themselves and will bring an extra-income to the table. Of course you should have a job too, but they don't see you as an ATM like Third-world women.

- Intelligent. "Muh all women only make gender studies degree at college", what a cope. Way less than 1% of all degrees in U.S. colleges are women's studies. Most women are as intelligent as men, there are a lot of smart women that you can have enlightening conversations with. Of course this is better than having a dumb women that only married you for money.

- Good personality. Women from non-western countries are very traditional. They want the man to earn all the money, be the leader, be stoic, never show emotions. Most western women let their men in relationships show vulnerability, that leads to a much closer connection between them.

- Sexually liberated. "Muh they're all whores", no, they just actually like sex instead of using it as bargain against their betabuxx husband. Sexual compatibility is important in a relationship, therefore waiting until marriage is stupid. It is much better when both like it than if the woman just lays there waiting for their betabuxx husband to finish.

JFL at users here glorifying betabuxx marriages in the Third world or the "good old times" in the West. Modern western women are the best by far. I can see how men with low SMV are frustrated, but don't cope with saying that western women are low-quality, that's just not true.

It doesn't matter how much makeup a woman wears, I can see right through it as if I have the byakugan

Also this whole list is cope, Women nowadays want men to be traditional, make all the money, pay for dinner etc. Yet they are still feminists who want to be "Equal" in everything except where they have the advantage. Jfl if you think women in western countries would allow you to feel any type of emotion other than pure rage

 

[AlexAP]

True but not good if you want children and multiple of them
I think even yourself made a thread on how women now are on average less likely of wanting children than men

Yes, that's true. I think the same will happen in other regions too, birth rates will drop all over the world.

There is an interesting theory about the future of birth rates though. It says that fertility is hereditary, some women are genetically programed to not want kids. But in the past all women were forced to have kids. Now that all women can choose, the anti-fertility genes are showing and 20-30% of women end up childless.
But if all women with these anti-fertility genes die out, only the women who have pro-fertility genes will survive, so fertility will rise again. If this theory is true, the birth rates in the West could rise again after 2050 and reach 2 to 2,5 again.

Will Evolution Undo the Demographic Transition?

Let me run a crazy idea by you. Judging by the conversations I’ve had over the past week, it may help if you’ve had a couple of glasses of wine. As you may already know, developed countries tend to go through a “demographic transition,” meaning a huge drop in fertility. There are various...

ifstudies.org

 

[AlexAP]

You are such a liar. You lie about everything from Russia and Ukraine to this.

It's true, about 30% of wives in the U.S. out-earn their husbands.

 

[AlexAP]

Also this whole list is cope, Women nowadays want men to be traditional, make all the money, pay for dinner etc. Yet they are still feminists who want to be "Equal" in everything except where they have the advantage.

In the U.S., about 30% of wives out-earn their husbands, so not all women want that the man makes all the money.

In Germany the stats are about the same.

Jfl if you think women in western countries would allow you to feel any type of emotion other than pure rage

You can't generalize everyone, but women in the West are far more likely to accept a man who shows vulnerability than women in non-western countries. Maybe it's because in poor countries men need to be more tough to survive.

 

[Deleted member 16853]

In the U.S., about 30% of wives out-earn their husbands, so women don't want all that the man makes all the money.
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In Germany the stats are about the same.

You can't generalize everyone, but women in the West are far more likely to accept a man who shows vulnerability than women in non-western countries. Maybe it's because in poor countries men need to be more tough to survive.

you're right, none of these masculine copes matter in 2022, its all about being good looking. Looks>Money, Good looking man who's a pussy>Fearless subhuman

 

[TITUS]

Someone kill this faggot already.