"Utilizing" OTC Drugs 1: Meclozine/Meclizine

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This is my first post in hopefully a series I want to make of OTC Drugs that can be utlilized for Looksmaxxes.
Today Im gonna be talking about Meclozine/Meclizine, an OTC Motion sickness drug.


What is Meclozine?
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Meclizine/Meclozine, is also known by the brand names Antivert, Bonine, and Dramamine, is an antihistamine used to treat motion sickness and dizziness (vertigo).

What are antihistamines?
Antihistamines are a type of drug that inhibits the bodies natural release of Histamines.
Histamines are a natural chemical produced by your Immune System during allergic reactions, allergen exposure. They are used by your body to get rid of things it doesn't like, such as Pollen, a VERY common allergen to Humans.
They cause sweating, swelling, tear up, or itch. It can remove skin irritants, body irritants, and others. They are very important to your body, however, your Immune System does tend to overreact, which is why Antihistamines are used in medicine.


Some antihistamines are Sedating Antihistamines. These Antihistamines can cause Drowsiness, alleviate Nausea, and even help with Parkinsons Disease.

Meclozine isnt like your typical Antihistamine (Benadryl, Delsym, etc.) It is a Sedating Antihistamine, that blocks the brain from sending the signals to make you nauseous. This is why it is so commonly used for motion sickness.
How can Meclizine benefit Shortcels?
(Theory/Speculative)
"Meclizine hydrochloride has demonstrated the ability to inhibit FGFR3 signaling and promote bone growth in an animal model of achondroplasia" "https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK560645/"

In achondroplasia patients, meclizine was found to inhibit FGFR3 signals, and that could also mean that it inhibits it in normal patients.

What happens if FGFR3 Signaling is inhibited?

FGFR3 plays a crucial role in skeletal development. Mutations that lead to constitutive activation of FGFR3 cause skeletal dysplasias, such as achondroplasia, characterized by short stature.

This means that FGFR3 Signaling can cause short stature and achondroplasia. (google) So that also means that inhibiting it can avoid the riskof achondroplasia and possibly increase height.

The claim of it increasing height can be suppported by a study done on Mice.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5547068/


Points to be taken:
--Twice-daily administration of 1 and 2 mg/kg meclozine for 10 days significantly increased body length and bone volume in ACH mice.

"Bone volume relative to bone length was markedly reduced in Fgfr3 ach" -- in overactivation in achondroplasic mice

--Bone volume increases after treamtement (length, density, width)

"Significant increase in bone volume after meclozine treatment in mutant mice showed that meclozine increased bone length and bone width by suppressing FGFR3 signaling in in-vivo. Using Fgfr3 Y367C/+ mice exhibiting a gain-of-function mutation in FGFR3, Di Rocco et al."

Meclizine also blocks the ERK1/2-MAPK pathway and inhibits FGFR3 activity.

As a result, it increases bone length and strengthens trabecular bone.


ok thats pretty much all. theres a lot more research on the height increasing aspects but thats about it for now.

What about Growth Plates?

I think I read somewhere about it delaying growth plate closure, but it needs more research, so for right now im not sure.

What are the Drawbacks?

"the long-term use of anticholinergic medications such as meclizine is associated with an elevated risk of delirium, falls, delirium, and dementia among older adults." -- Uh oh!

Others:


Cough
difficulty swallowing
dizziness
drowsiness
fast heartbeat
hives, itching, skin rash
puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
tightness in the chest
unusual tiredness or weakness
vomiting



Thanks for reading my thread. Let me know if there is anything I missed.
 
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what should the dosage be
 
Aspirin bull
 
25mg ed before bed i have insomnia and it helps SOOO much too
I've been taking it for a week at 25mg and I think I've grown. I thought about combining it with mk677 but I've been using it and I've lost confidence in it. I think you should increase the dosage to 50 or 75mg as it is cheap and the maximum adult dose is 100mg.
 
I've been taking it for a week at 25mg and I think I've grown. I thought about combining it with mk677 but I've been using it and I've lost confidence in it. I think you should increase the dosage to 50 or 75mg as it is cheap and the maximum adult dose is 100mg.
Btw, I got fatigue and cough in my side effects. as well as unimaginable hunger (maybe it's not meclosin, but vitamin B6).
 
Good thread.
FGFR3 does seem to promote cell growth through MAPK/ERK and differenteration into osteoblasts
and cell survival too from PI3K/AKT, like HIF-A1 but its overall purpose is to limit the chondrocyte proliferation and promote differentiation into bone cells at a controlled rate. And FGFR3 deficiencies does lead to overgrowth of Bones, Delayed Bone Maturation according to research and even chatGPT.
 
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FGFR3 deficiencies does lead to overgrowth of Bones, Delayed Bone Maturation according to research
In humans? can you link a paper? I didn't find anything on google scholar.
Isn't that the same transcription factor that noopept works through? something to note I guess.
 
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In humans? can you link a paper? I didn't find anything on google scholar.
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Isn't that the same transcription factor that noopept works through? something to note I guess.
Yes FGFR3 activated the AKT pathway which the activates HIF-A1 and inhibits FOXO1
 
Whats your results from taking meclizine
currently
I sleep better, sleep is more rejuvenating and it gets rid of the nausea that Mk677 causes me (Mk677's taste is absolutely disgusting)
ill check my height in abt 3 weeks when i got to my appointment.

However I am taking quite a few height increasing drugs so im not sure
Dementia part scares me icl im 15 do i have risk?
nope, only in older patients your fine at 15.



I've been taking it for a week at 25mg and I think I've grown. I thought about combining it with mk677 but I've been using it and I've lost confidence in it. I think you should increase the dosage to 50 or 75mg as it is cheap and the maximum adult dose is 100mg.
Tbh, take mk677 it only can help.
I just raised my dosage to 50mg and im hoping it will increase my height.
 
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currently
I sleep better, sleep is more rejuvenating and it gets rid of the nausea that Mk677 causes me (Mk677's taste is absolutely disgusting)
ill check my height in abt 3 weeks when i got to my appointment.

However I am taking quite a few height increasing drugs so im not sure

nope, only in older patients your fine at 15.




Tbh, take mk677 it only can help.
I just raised my dosage to 50mg and im hoping it will increase my height.
How's your progress? The dosage should be between 50 and 75 mg.
 
How's your progress? The dosage should be between 50 and 75 mg.
pretty good actually
check this thread for my results
 
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This is my first post in hopefully a series I want to make of OTC Drugs that can be utlilized for Looksmaxxes.
Today Im gonna be talking about Meclozine/Meclizine, an OTC Motion sickness drug.


What is Meclozine?
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Meclizine/Meclozine, is also known by the brand names Antivert, Bonine, and Dramamine, is an antihistamine used to treat motion sickness and dizziness (vertigo).

What are antihistamines?
Antihistamines are a type of drug that inhibits the bodies natural release of Histamines.
Histamines are a natural chemical produced by your Immune System during allergic reactions, allergen exposure. They are used by your body to get rid of things it doesn't like, such as Pollen, a VERY common allergen to Humans.
They cause sweating, swelling, tear up, or itch. It can remove skin irritants, body irritants, and others. They are very important to your body, however, your Immune System does tend to overreact, which is why Antihistamines are used in medicine.


Some antihistamines are Sedating Antihistamines. These Antihistamines can cause Drowsiness, alleviate Nausea, and even help with Parkinsons Disease.

Meclozine isnt like your typical Antihistamine (Benadryl, Delsym, etc.) It is a Sedating Antihistamine, that blocks the brain from sending the signals to make you nauseous. This is why it is so commonly used for motion sickness.
How can Meclizine benefit Shortcels?
(Theory/Speculative)
"Meclizine hydrochloride has demonstrated the ability to inhibit FGFR3 signaling and promote bone growth in an animal model of achondroplasia" "https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK560645/"

In achondroplasia patients, meclizine was found to inhibit FGFR3 signals, and that could also mean that it inhibits it in normal patients.

What happens if FGFR3 Signaling is inhibited?

FGFR3 plays a crucial role in skeletal development. Mutations that lead to constitutive activation of FGFR3 cause skeletal dysplasias, such as achondroplasia, characterized by short stature.

This means that FGFR3 Signaling can cause short stature and achondroplasia. (google) So that also means that inhibiting it can avoid the riskof achondroplasia and possibly increase height.

The claim of it increasing height can be suppported by a study done on Mice.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5547068/


Points to be taken:
--Twice-daily administration of 1 and 2 mg/kg meclozine for 10 days significantly increased body length and bone volume in ACH mice.

"Bone volume relative to bone length was markedly reduced in Fgfr3 ach" -- in overactivation in achondroplasic mice

--Bone volume increases after treamtement (length, density, width)

"Significant increase in bone volume after meclozine treatment in mutant mice showed that meclozine increased bone length and bone width by suppressing FGFR3 signaling in in-vivo. Using Fgfr3 Y367C/+ mice exhibiting a gain-of-function mutation in FGFR3, Di Rocco et al."

Meclizine also blocks the ERK1/2-MAPK pathway and inhibits FGFR3 activity.

As a result, it increases bone length and strengthens trabecular bone.


ok thats pretty much all. theres a lot more research on the height increasing aspects but thats about it for now.

What about Growth Plates?

I think I read somewhere about it delaying growth plate closure, but it needs more research, so for right now im not sure.

What are the Drawbacks?

"the long-term use of anticholinergic medications such as meclizine is associated with an elevated risk of delirium, falls, delirium, and dementia among older adults." -- Uh oh!

Others:


Cough
difficulty swallowing
dizziness
drowsiness
fast heartbeat
hives, itching, skin rash
puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
tightness in the chest
unusual tiredness or weakness
vomiting



Thanks for reading my thread. Let me know if there is anything I missed.
@Corpuscula
 
Looks promising ngl
Also check my thread
 

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