Veganism

[bluebandz]

Do people genuinely have any evidence besides anecdotes and unsubstantiated claims for why veganism is bad? If so, please present evidence other than “goy” and lowIQ insults.

It is generally bad because the protein sources, which is made up mostly of tofu for a majority of people, spikes estrogen. Also just eat meat bro

 

[ascendeay]

Every single vegan who’s not malnourished and doesn’t look like a twig is either on roids or lying. How DO you prepare it well?

RFK Jr is controlled opposition JFL nigga got a worm in his brain
there are other governments besides the US btw, the (((UN))) and (((WEF))) especially still promote veganism

Enslavement of Africans is not necessary for human sustanence

Wrong yes you’ll live but you won’t be healthy at all

bluepill mentality

First claim is completely wrong. You’d prepare it well by having a good source of protein, like tofu, tempeh, seitan. Then having a good source of carbs. This can be through fruits, rice, oats, fortified cereals. Then fats can be gotten through nuts like almonds, walnuts, Brazilian nuts. Also through different cooking oils as well.

Even if the governments promote veganism, how does that make it bad? Governments promote lots of things, like getting more exercise in. Is that now bad?

Enslavement of Africans is not necessary for human sustenance, just like meat isn’t. You’re claim that it isn’t healthy still hasn’t been supported by any evidence.

 

[ascendeay]

It is generally bad because the protein sources, which is made up mostly of tofu for a majority of people, spikes estrogen. Also just eat meat bro

Any proof of it spiking people’s estrogen? The research I’ve looked at show no hormonal differences. I don’t think you understand how phytoestrogens in tofu works. There’s also mammalian estrogen in cow milk.

 

[bluebandz]

Any proof of it spiking people’s estrogen? The research I’ve looked at show no hormonal differences. I don’t think you understand how phytoestrogens in tofu works. There’s also mammalian estrogen in cow milk.

cap

 

[ascendeay]

cap

Again, any evidence for your claims?

There is without a doubt mammalian estrogen in cow milk. Common known fact you can search up, and here’s a study too if you wanna check it out. PMID: 26258087

 

[cattboy]

Fiber is pretty essential considering it can lower your risks of multiple types of cancer. Here’s a study on over 3.5 million participants. PMID: 38011755.

I understand there are a lot of nutrients found in steak and organs, I never denied that. But there is a risk factor you haven’t addressed, which is the colorectal cancer risk. If you wanna learn on how it works and why heme iron increases your risk of this, which is found in meat, here’s a good study for that . PMID: 26779313

no fiber is not essential for doing something benefitial lol. this is why i hate debating you kinds of people. you dont even understand the basics of nutrition.

HORRIBLE argument. this is epidemiology which isnt scientific at all. this is anecdote with no observation. with this “evidence” its also proven a glass of wine a day is healthy for you.

 

[bluebandz]

Again, any evidence for your claims?

There is without a doubt mammalian estrogen in cow milk. Common known fact you can search up, and here’s a study too if you wanna check it out. PMID: 26258087

diddy

 

[cattboy]

Fiber is pretty essential considering it can lower your risks of multiple types of cancer. Here’s a study on over 3.5 million participants. PMID: 38011755.

I understand there are a lot of nutrients found in steak and organs, I never denied that. But there is a risk factor you haven’t addressed, which is the colorectal cancer risk. If you wanna learn on how it works and why heme iron increases your risk of this, which is found in meat, here’s a good study for that . PMID: 26779313

also theres a risk for everything. i could die right now from a flying cow. its the unacounted for variables that are taken in these studies because its all anecdote with no observation.

 

[ascendeay]

no fiber is not essential for doing something benefitial lol. this is why i hate debating you kinds of people. you dont even understand the basics of nutrition.

HORRIBLE argument. this is epidemiology which isnt scientific at all. this is anecdote with no observation. with this “evidence” its also proven a glass of wine a day is healthy for you.

Yeah I guess depends what you mean by essential. Like you don’t need it to survive, but it definitely has its perks. Also again, the insult doesn’t stand because I showed you research and evidence.

Also, hating on all of epidemiology is a seriously funny view. Observational studies, over years and millions of participants, is helpful. ESPECIALLY when we also have the MECHANISMS of action by which fiber will be beneficial. It’s not an anecdote, I don’t think you know what an anecdote is.

 

[ascendeay]

also theres a risk for everything. i could die right now from a flying cow. its the unacounted for variables that are taken in these studies because its all anecdote with no observation.

All anecdote with no observation? Dude, it’s observation on a variable, accounting for other variables, while knowing the mechanism of the variable we’re testing for.

 

[EnzoPSL]

Do people genuinely have any evidence besides anecdotes and unsubstantiated claims for why veganism is bad? If so, please present evidence other than “goy” and lowIQ insults.

Maybe because you cannot get all the vitamins and micros you need from plants? Also they bloat the fuck out of you and hurt your stomach.

For looksmaxxing is stupid

 

[ascendeay]

Maybe because you cannot get all the vitamins and micros you need from plants? Also they bloat the fuck out of you and hurt your stomach.

For looksmaxxing is stupid

I’ve noticed less bloating and my gut health has improved since eating more vegan. Any vitamins and micros you can’t get or struggle to get can be achieved through supplementation.

 

[cattboy]

Fiber is pretty essential considering it can lower your risks of multiple types of cancer. Here’s a study on over 3.5 million participants. PMID: 38011755.

I understand there are a lot of nutrients found in steak and organs, I never denied that. But there is a risk factor you haven’t addressed, which is the colorectal cancer risk. If you wanna learn on how it works and why heme iron increases your risk of this, which is found in meat, here’s a good study for that . PMID: 26779313

also theres a risk for everything. i could die right now from a flying cow. its the unacounted for variables that are taken in these studies because its all anecdote with no observation.

Yeah I guess depends what you mean by essential. Like you don’t need it to survive, but it definitely has its perks. Also again, the insult doesn’t stand because I showed you research and evidence.

Also, hating on all of epidemiology is a seriously funny view. Observational studies, over years and millions of participants, is helpful. ESPECIALLY when we also have the MECHANISMS of action by which fiber will be beneficial. It’s not an anecdote, I don’t think you know what an anecdote is.

its also not even that beneficial since theres other nutrients that are even more beneficial than fiber. the research and evidence you showed didnt even matter because i just told you its non essential and its one of the most futile arguments because id rather have 12 essentia nutrients than 1 beneficial one.

is this a joke? epidemiology is seriously retarded. its association and not causation. “millions of participants” thats actually even more harmful to the case. you have millions of anecdotes from people who cant even tell you what they had for lunch 2 weeks ago. NTM the unaccounted for habits they may have like smoking or drinking. other health concerns, mental concerns, where they get their food, etc. its super insane how people think its a reliable form of research while theres 0 observation.

also alot of the fiber found in vegetables dont even get used… why eat something suboptimal to the superior food? why eat a vegetable compared to meat??? its so retarded when you use logic.

the vegetable isnt meant for us, meat is. the ones who have gone on a primal diet look better and have better health outcomes if you want to use epidemiology. FaceIQ is a good example. same with aajonus.

if youre just arguing about fiber and not about the other 26 nutrients then what really is your case? youre just making a fool out of yourself

 

[cattboy]

All anecdote with no observation? Dude, it’s observation on a variable, accounting for other variables, while knowing the mechanism of the variable we’re testing for.

there is no observation… we cant hold humans in a lab from birth and watch them 24/7. we CANT account for other variables because theres so damn many.

 

[iamgoingtoascend]

Let vegans be vegans bro, good for the enviroment and for the animals. Im not doing it, too much effort, but idgaf if other people want to do it like why would i hate on that

 

[ascendeay]

also theres a risk for everything. i could die right now from a flying cow. its the unacounted for variables that are taken in these studies because its all anecdote with no observation.

its also not even that beneficial since theres other nutrients that are even more beneficial than fiber. the research and evidence you showed didnt even matter because i just told you its non essential and its one of the most futile arguments because id rather have 12 essentia nutrients than 1 beneficial one.

is this a joke? epidemiology is seriously retarded. its association and not causation. “millions of participants” thats actually even more harmful to the case. you have millions of anecdotes from people who cant even tell you what they had for lunch 2 weeks ago. NTM the unaccounted for habits they may have like smoking or drinking. other health concerns, mental concerns, where they get their food, etc. its super insane how people think its a reliable form of research while theres 0 observation.

also alot of the fiber found in vegetables dont even get used… why eat something suboptimal to the superior food? why eat a vegetable compared to meat??? its so retarded when you use logic.

the vegetable isnt meant for us, meat is. the ones who have gone on a primal diet look better and have better health outcomes if you want to use epidemiology. FaceIQ is a good example. same with aajonus.

if youre just arguing about fiber and not about the other 26 nutrients then what really is your case? youre just making a fool out of yourself

You keep conflating this idea that non essential means non beneficial. Fiber is critical for good gut microbiome health and reducing risks for countless number of adverse health problems. To brush that off so easily is laughable.

Oh my God dude, epidemiology DOES control for variables like smoking and socioeconomic factors. And more importantly, we have the mechanistic data showing how fiber is beneficial for gut micro biome health like SCFA production and cholesterol binding.

Saying participants can’t name what they ate so now we can’t draw any health conclusions, just throws all outcome on health nutrition out the window. You’re claims are completely unscientific and unsupported. Luckily, we still have the mechanisms to show fiber will be beneficial for gut health, so even if we play by your logic, I still fall under the same conclusion.

I don’t get your claim/question about the not all the fiber in vegetables being used. Like which vegetables are you talking about? Why are you excluding fruits and other higher fiber sources and comparing it to meat which has virtually none?

Saying the vegetable isn’t meant for us is an unsubstantiated claim to which you’ve provided no scientific evidence. You whine about anecdotes but then appeal to FaceIQ and Aajonus. This is laughably ignorant.

I think your last point is just deflection really. No one was disagreeing with you that we should be getting in our essential nutrients. I agree, getting that through plant food, and additionally getting FIBER from that plant food is beneficial and sustainable. Meat has no fiber, so you won’t be getting the benefits. But you will be getting the increased colorectal cancer risk from heme iron

 

[ascendeay]

there is no observation… we cant hold humans in a lab from birth and watch them 24/7. we CANT account for other variables because theres so damn many.

I don’t think you understand how health science works bro

 

[ascendeay]

Let vegans be vegans bro, good for the enviroment and for the animals. Im not doing it, too much effort, but idgaf if other people want to do it like why would i hate on that

Mirin

 

[GoErOnFoids]

If you don’t know why and how veganism isn’t an option, then you are being close minded. It doesn’t take a lot of brain power to deduce that one out.

ofc i know something...

 

[cattboy]

You keep conflating this idea that non essential means non beneficial. Fiber is critical for good gut microbiome health and reducing risks for countless number of adverse health problems. To brush that off so easily is laughable.

Oh my God dude, epidemiology DOES control for variables like smoking and socioeconomic factors. And more importantly, we have the mechanistic data showing how fiber is beneficial for gut micro biome health like SCFA production and cholesterol binding.

Saying participants can’t name what they ate so now we can’t draw any health conclusions, just throws all outcome on health nutrition out the window. You’re claims are completely unscientific and unsupported. Luckily, we still have the mechanisms to show fiber will be beneficial for gut health, so even if we play by your logic, I still fall under the same conclusion.

I don’t get your claim/question about the not all the fiber in vegetables being used. Like which vegetables are you talking about? Why are you excluding fruits and other higher fiber sources and comparing it to meat which has virtually none?

Saying the vegetable isn’t meant for us is an unsubstantiated claim to which you’ve provided no scientific evidence. You whine about anecdotes but then appeal to FaceIQ and Aajonus. This is laughably ignorant.

I think your last point is just deflection really. No one was disagreeing with you that we should be getting in our essential nutrients. I agree, getting that through plant food, and additionally getting FIBER from that plant food is beneficial and sustainable. Meat has no fiber, so you won’t be getting the benefits. But you will be getting the increased colorectal cancer risk from heme iron

huhhh??? i never said that. again this is why people like you need to stop debating.

are we forgetting that fiber is best found in melons which primals love??? meanwhile in vegetables its pure dogshit. you do realize primals love fruits right? but sure keep eating oxalates.

this is a fucking joke theres no way. do you know how fucking hard it is to account for an infinite amount of variables??? are you fucking serious?? ALL of epidemiology is based on anecdote and little to no observation. this is why scientists find nutrition a joke because there is NO causation. drinking a glass of red wine a day is healthy according to epidemiology. but does that actually make sense? no not at all. when we look in meat compared to vegetables its SUPER clear what we should be eating. but sure, go off of your people who cant remember what they ate 3 days ago.

??? nothing about this is scientific dumbass. its all opinion based. again this is why nutrition is one of the worst subjects to debate about. and youre STILL on about fiber and not talking about meat, oxalates binding to calcium, and vegetables being defficient in nutrients.

spinach for example has alot of fiber that wont actually be used. instead youre just eating oxalates. melons however are extremely densely packed in useful fiber. and again, fiber isnt essential. its beneficial in some regard but if your diet is decent you wont need fiber at all.

its SO clear vegetables arent meant for us when they actively try to protect themselves from us and provide horrible nutritional benefit. meanwhile meat has so much nutrition as i attatched earlier. and i like aajonus and faceiq because they show good evidence and they follow what they preach and look significantly better than any vegan with good health results that they posted.

and youre STILL on about fiber. JFC do you forget about the other 26 nutrients?? its like youre wanting to have 1 nutrient over 26. do you see how retarded that is? meat has no fiber but tenfold the amount of MN and you say i wont get benefits oh and nice, more association people that listen to loud music tend to be smarter so lets just make everyone listen to loud music am i right

 

[cattboy]

I don’t think you understand how health science works bro

“health science” wrap it up theres nothing scientific about any of this

 

[arlo_420]

Do people genuinely have any evidence besides anecdotes and unsubstantiated claims for why veganism is bad? If so, please present evidence other than “goy” and lowIQ insults.

Because humans just eat meat, red (the colour of meat) is the colour that stimulates our appitite not green, and our stomach ph is very low unlike herbivores who need a high stomach ph in order to digest plants