Visual Pattern Memory Test

[hypernormie]

Probably, but differences in average age and real-life experience also likely account for the perceived drop in intelligence.
Back then the average user was easily 18+, now it’s somewhere between 14-17.

Fluid Intelligence apparently peaks at 17 but I get your point.

 

[hypernormie]

Theres for sure some people who saw your post, tried the test, got a bad result and didnt post it

I think so too

 

[Framemaxxx]

Tbf I feel like i could have gone higher than 15. the last attempt i failed i know for sure I was only one square off as I could picture the entire image perfectly except for the final square and I'm taking the test while experiencing significant physical discomfort due to injury. Without that i probably wouldn't have dropped that last bit of information. Would I have gotten to 17+? That's where I don't know.

great result nonetheless, have you ever had your intelligence formally tested?

Always been pretty good in school but never gotten tested. Might try

 

[BeanCelll]

Are you saying you were somewhat practiced?

Yeah I've had give-or-take 8-9 hours on the human benchmark already.

Also did you feel like you could achieve higher in better conditions or did that feel like your true limit?

Likely maxxed out already, or I'd at best only manage an extra square or two If I practiced for about an hour a day for 2 months; and even that comes off as a bit generous to me honestly.

 

[manhattanbound]

https://www.playparty.us/brain/memory/visual-pattern

The Visual Patterns Test (VPT) is the gold-standard neuropsychological assessment used to measure Visual Short-Term Memory (VSTM).

It was developed (most notably by Della Sala et al. in 1997) to isolate the capacity to remember static visual information ("what it looks like") distinct from spatial memory ("where it is").

This test measures Visual Short-Term Memory (VSTM) capacity, specifically isolating the visual cache.

It assesses the maximum amount of static visual information (pattern and form) an individual can hold in immediate memory, distinct from spatial memory (location or sequence).

By increasing the complexity after every success until a "3-strike" failure, the test establishes the user's Visual Span—the absolute upper threshold of visual items the brain can simultaneously retain before information overload occurs.

Take the test once in while in a relaxed state.

My score is 15, what's yours?

i got a 67

 

[birthdefect]

Probably, but differences in average age and real-life experience also likely account for the perceived drop in intelligence.
Back then the average user was easily 18+, now it’s somewhere between 14-17.

you could argue that a younger age would be an advantage due to increased neuroplasticity, no?

 

[birthdefect]

You scored average wdym finished

Here's what I got
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average means its completely and utterly over, my sleep deprived 10yo sister got 28ms

 

[hypernormie]

Always been pretty good in school but never gotten tested. Might try

Worth doing if you're interested, not just to determine your overall intelligence but specifically your intellectual strengths and weaknesses as formal assessments break down your score by facet. I plan on doing it if/when I get healthy.

For example you can see if you have a particular strength in visuospatial reasoning or Verbal, etc. They are all correlated to some extent, that's the concept of g or general intelligence, so high scores tend to be broadly high, low or average but some variation within intelligence still appears.

 

[hypernormie]

you could argue that a younger age would be an advantage due to increased neuroplasticity, no?

i'm not really sure tbh

could be but not necessarily

i'm more likely to assume it has to do with lack of accumulation of environmental insults, but agin, idk. I haven't looked into it

 

[hypernormie]

average means its completely and utterly over, my sleep deprived 10yo sister got 28ms

I mean that's kind of mogger for a 10yo ngl

 

[hypernormie]

Yeah I've had give-or-take 8-9 hours on the human benchmark already.


Likely maxxed out already, or I'd at best only manage an extra square or two If I practiced for about an hour a day for 2 months; and even that comes off as a bit generous to me honestly.

Unpracticed is a better indicator but hitting a hard limit at 15 is informative

Human benchmark version is easier imo

Did you also feel that way?

 

[hypernormie]

i got a 67

 

[birthdefect]

I mean that's kind of mogger for a 10yo ngl

fr, further proof intelligence is purely genetic i cant lie

this might be cope but i think a reason why i couldnt get past 15 is cus i was having multiple thought processes at once. i was trying to do the puzzle while also evaluating how well i was doing and whether there were patterns in my behaviour, like memorising white space instead of the coloured in some puzzles. excited to do meth fr

 

[hypernormie]

average means its completely and utterly over, my sleep deprived 10yo sister got 28ms

Take the Stroop and Mental rotation though

 

[NoaA99]

Fluid Intelligence apparently peaks at 17 but I get your point.

If I remember correctly, PS is the only ability that peaks very early with working memory following shortly after.
Based on the JCTI/ Tri-52 norms, for example, the 25-29 age group performed the best- that is from memory, though, so I could be mistaken.

 

[hypernormie]

fr, further proof intelligence is purely genetic i cant lie

this might be cope but i think a reason why i couldnt get past 15 is cus i was having multiple thought processes at once. i was trying to do the puzzle while also evaluating how well i was doing and whether there were patterns in my behaviour, like memorising white space instead of the coloured in some puzzles. excited to do meth fr

That's all factored in though. For example when you take an IQ test, your score isn't dependent on perfect conditions. Obviously the more ideal the better but the norms are designed to factor all of that into your ultimate result. You may score some drastically different score at a later date but your ability to focus on the task at hand is part of what they are measuring.

 

[hypernormie]

If I remember correctly, PS is the only ability that peaks very early with working memory following shortly after.
Based on the JCTI/ Tri-52 norms, for example, the 25-29 age group performed the best- that is from memory, though, so I could be mistaken.

I'm probably mistaken then

 

[birthdefect]

Take the Stroop and Mental rotation though

i know im gonna be like 10th percentile for mental rotation, genuinely retarded with it
i used to be really really gifted with it which led me to 3d art but again ive deteriorated

 

[birthdefect]

That's all factored in though. For example when you take an IQ test, your score isn't dependent on perfect conditions. Obviously the more ideal the better but the norms are designed to factor all of that into your ultimate result. You may score some drastically different score at a later date but your ability to focus on the task at hand is part of what they are measuring.

true true

 

[hypernormie]

i know im gonna be like 10th percentile for mental rotation, genuinely retarded with it
i used to be really really gifted with it which led me to 3d art but again ive deteriorated

It's quite a simple and short test so I wouldn't be too worried. It's scope is much narrower than other MR tests I've taken

Now if your get a very low score forget everything I just said

 

[Kind soul]

12 is technically one above average so not bad by any means. If you weren't distracted you might score higher.

Got 14 in 2nd try,not bad eh.These fuckass neighbors though.

 

[NoaA99]

I'm probably mistaken then

The guy scoring 142 (not age-adjusted) on Mensa Norway at 11 must have been an absolute child prodigy JFL.
Sadly, he regressed to the mean.

 

[birthdefect]

It's quite a simple and short test so I wouldn't be too worried. It's scope is much narrower than other MR tests I've taken

Now if your get a very low score forget everything I just said

thank you for encouragement

this is good right?

 

[birthdefect]

The guy scoring 142 (not age-adjusted) on Mensa Norway at 11 must have been an absolute child prodigy JFL.
Sadly, he regressed to the mean.

bro those cunt teachers gave me year 9 work in year 6 but they didnt even bother explaining a single concept, just put the sheet down and expected me to solve it
i genuinely believe if they spent even a few minutes just teaching me the general concept i wouldve retained atleast more

 

[NoaA99]

you could argue that a younger age would be an advantage due to increased neuroplasticity, no?

Higher neuroplasticity ≠ higher general cognitive ability.
Young adulthood has the best compromise.

 

[birthdefect]

Higher neuroplasticity ≠ higher general cognitive ability.
Young adulthood has the best compromise.

true
would the higher neuroplasticity mean they would benefit more from the practice effect?

 

[hypernormie]

Got 14 in 2nd try,not bad eh.These fuckass neighbors though.

Yeah yeah sure if only it wasn't for those fuckass neighbors huh?

 

[hypernormie]

thank you for encouragement
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this is good right?

Apparently it's good. There isn't as much data on this type of task, I was just curious how you'd score

 

[NoaA99]

true
would the higher neuroplasticity mean they would benefit more from the practice effect?

This could hold true in theory yes, and may be one of several factors explaining why early childhood abilities are highly variable and can change dramatically during maturation, when genetics play the dominant role later.

It might also help explain why relatively older adults often hold onto their beliefs and can be somewhat resistant to exploring new subjects.
I would assume reduced neuroplasticity makes it harder for them to adopt/ integrate new ways of thinking.

 

[hypernormie]

true
would the higher neuroplasticity mean they would benefit more from the practice effect?

Well maybe but practicing IQ tests kind of invalidates them. IQ tests are taken under the assumption you aren't practicing for them, but either way, they're designed to be very difficult to practice for. The types of problems provided are truly novel and force reasoning. Any practice you get would be in question familiarity and I would argue that doesn't really invalidate the test. Ideally everyone would be familiar with the questions.

Having previous exposure to identical questions would be an issue.

 

[NotAMogger]

oh shit i actually got 14

i do not believe that 5-7 is average lmao
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There’s no score of 14

 

[birthdefect]

Well maybe but practicing IQ tests kind of invalidates them. IQ tests are taken under the assumption you aren't practicing for them, but either way, they're designed to be very difficult to practice for. The types of problems provided are truly novel and force reasoning. Any practice you get would be in question familiarity and I would argue that doesn't really invalidate the test. Ideally everyone would be familiar with the questions.

Having previous exposure to identical questions would be an issue.

yea i know, ofc in real world cases the practice effect definitely plays a role but for purely testing its better to avoid

something that ive actually noticed is that although my result on the screen has markedly decreased ive gotten smarter irl, where concepts i couldnt wrap my head around when i was younger are turbo trivial and easy now

they arent that complex in the grand scheme of things tho im not some god in reality i imagine im just slightly above average

 

[EthiopianMaxxer]

There’s no score of 14

okayyy i lied u caught me i got 13

 

[BeanCelll]

Did you also feel that way?

yeah I think ht test had a more clean grid

 

[Framemaxxx]

btw do you know how it works because i just completed like 4 15 blocks in a row and i still got a 15 score

 

[NotAMogger]

Got 14 in 2nd try,not bad eh.These fuckass neighbors though.

There’s no score of 14

 

[hypernormie]

There’s no score of 14

 

[birthdefect]

btw do you know how it works because i just completed like 4 15 blocks in a row and i still got a 15 score

me too man

 

[hypernormie]

yea i know, ofc in real world cases the practice effect definitely plays a role but for purely testing its better to avoid

something that ive actually noticed is that although my result on the screen has markedly decreased ive gotten smarter irl, where concepts i couldnt wrap my head around when i was younger are turbo trivial and easy now

they arent that complex in the grand scheme of things tho im not some god in reality i imagine im just slightly above average

If you're curious you don't have to guess. r/cognitive testing has quite a few assessments you can take to see where you lie. Don't worry about taking too many, or if you do and feel concerned it's inflated your score, dock your average by a few points. You can get a pretty accurate picture of your cognitive strengths and weaknesses.

Happy to hear you are progressing intellectually though. Hopefully that will continue. There's infinite complexity out there so no shortage of new challenges to try and wrap your head around.

 

[hypernormie]

yeah I think ht test had a more clean grid

it's in some ways more similar to the original task because it repeats with a stable grid, but also it allows more mistakes before penalization which may inflate scores. You can guess 3 times before you fail. The playparty.us version doesn't allow guessing.

 

[birthdefect]

If you're curious you don't have to guess. r/cognitive testing has quite a few assessments you can take to see where you lie. Don't worry about taking too many, or if you do and feel concerned it's inflated your score, dock your average by a few points. You can get a pretty accurate picture of your cognitive strengths and weaknesses.

Happy to hear you are progressing intellectually though. Hopefully that will continue. There's infinite complexity out there so no shortage of new challenges to try and wrap your head around.

glad to hear, hope you continue progressing in always you want as well

honestly, too lazy to do it
its a miracle i can stay focused enough to do the mensa test

 

[hypernormie]

btw do you know how it works because i just completed like 4 15 blocks in a row and i still got a 15 score

Not sure, never got above 15. Someone else said they also got stuck at 15 but also @Mess got 18. So not sure what's going on there.

 

[NoaA99]

yea i know, ofc in real world cases the practice effect definitely plays a role but for purely testing its better to avoid

something that ive actually noticed is that although my result on the screen has markedly decreased ive gotten smarter irl, where concepts i couldnt wrap my head around when i was younger are turbo trivial and easy now

they arent that complex in the grand scheme of things tho im not some god in reality i imagine im just slightly above average

Wouldn’t recommend most people to go down that rabbit hole anyway. IQ is a variable, that carries real practical value, but hence also perceived value as a human being- pretty similar to looks.
It can really lead to a massive identity crisis for some.

Btw, for untimed tests, the practice effect becomes much less relevant, unless you take the exact same test.
Even then, it’s less critical.

For example, if you take the JCTI and retake it a few days later, giving it your full effort and also taking your time, your scores shouldn’t really vary much, if at all.

Also, that last sentence isn’t unusual for High IQ individuals.

 

[hypernormie]

glad to hear, hope you continue progressing in always you want as well

honestly, too lazy to do it
its a miracle i can stay focused enough to do the mensa test

Well the tests aren't going anywhere

 

[birthdefect]

Not sure, never got above 15. Someone else said they also got stuck at 15 but also @Mess got 18. So not sure what's going on there.

i think intelligence is purely genetic, in the sense that how well you respond to practice or really any stimulus is also entirely genetic

 

[hypernormie]

i think intelligence is purely genetic, in the sense that how well you respond to practice or really any stimulus is also entirely genetic

it's about 80% genetic, but tbf I think some of the other variance can also be explained by some other genetic factors like motivation, self esteem, etc. You can confidently say its mostly genetic but not entirely. Same as height.

 

[birthdefect]

it's about 80% genetic, but tbf I think some of the other variance can also be explained by some other genetic factors like motivation, self esteem, etc. You can confidently say its mostly genetic but not entirely. Same as height.

i wonder what would happen if we microdosed lsd in children from like 1 to 18 and compare that with a normal person

 

[hypernormie]

i wonder what would happen if we microdosed lsd in children from like 1 to 18 and compare that with a normal person

I think you have a future in the CIA

 

[NoaA99]

it's about 80% genetic, but tbf I think some of the other variance can also be explained by some other genetic factors like motivation, self esteem, etc. You can confidently say its mostly genetic but not entirely. Same as height.

You seek environments that kind of match your genetic predispositions.

You could probably argue that genetics shape tendencies, and that in of itself increases probabilities to interact with the environment in a specific way.
In that sense, I believe 80% may even be an underestimation, as you said.

 

[Framemaxxx]

just cheated and took a photo of every pattern. The max is 15. nice inspect element @Mess