What are the most effective non-surgical/hardmaxxing/pinning methods to ascend?

[true_sub5]

hello everyone, what are the most non-coping maxxes you can do which don't involve surgical procedures (like fat-grafting, genioplasties, etc) or pinning (including topical substances like ghk cu)? forgive me but i'm a greycell so i haven't spent that much time on the forums but i looked through a couple and chin-tucks, masseter training, etc seem to be non-cope, but if there are other maxxes which are similar could you please link the guides? my main issues are manidble and maxilla recession, normal uee, sparse brows near the start (i want to increase the tail length so i can fraud canthal tilt), my posture might be ass too idk if that will help. but any help is appreicated.

 

[AdMorpheus]

Surgery

 

[Orka]

"How can I get rich without putting effort in?"

 

[Deleted member 295359]

hello everyone, what are the most non-coping maxxes you can do which don't involve surgical procedures (like fat-grafting, genioplasties, etc) or pinning (including topical substances like ghk cu)? forgive me but i'm a greycell so i haven't spent that much time on the forums but i looked through a couple and chin-tucks, masseter training, etc seem to be non-cope, but if there are other maxxes which are similar could you please link the guides? my main issues are manidble and maxilla recession, normal uee, sparse brows near the start (i want to increase the tail length so i can fraud canthal tilt), my posture might be ass too idk if that will help. but any help is appreicated.

Hard chewing seems to be the best in terms of MT induced growth in studies bssed on forcd

 

[true_sub5]

"How can I get rich without putting effort in?"

im sweet ash bruh i don't have the resources to go out and surgerymaxx or pin, trust me i wish i could, but what yall got in the case i don't?

 

[LTNUser]

Hard chewing seems to be the best in terms of MT induced growth in studies bssed on forcd

Chewing won't do anything if you don't have good insertions
Bad insertions = more bloat after chewing

 

[Deleted member 295359]

Chewing won't do anything if you don't have good insertions
Bad insertions = more bloat after chewing

I meant for mandibular growth g.

 

[mohito]

manidble

Put on herbst or twin blocks to get better ccw rotation and chin projection

maxilla

If your issue is narrow palate, then use expanders such as marpe

Like this post if it was helpful and mark it as solution (it's the check mark on my right)

 

[Kuros]

hello everyone, what are the most non-coping maxxes you can do which don't involve surgical procedures (like fat-grafting, genioplasties, etc) or pinning (including topical substances like ghk cu)? forgive me but i'm a greycell so i haven't spent that much time on the forums but i looked through a couple and chin-tucks, masseter training, etc seem to be non-cope, but if there are other maxxes which are similar could you please link the guides? my main issues are manidble and maxilla recession, normal uee, sparse brows near the start (i want to increase the tail length so i can fraud canthal tilt), my posture might be ass too idk if that will help. but any help is appreicated.

orthodontic appliances like Invisalign, expanders(which can be tooth borne or bone borne, and a reverse pull mask (which you need to wait for MONTHS and wear it 18hours a day), minoxidil for brows and tint with castor oil and trimming to get the shape nice and the castor oil makes them thicker and give contrast in case you don't want to use tint, hyoid holds are good but you need to already be lean and in a good place with the possition + neck curls

 

[Kuros]

Put on herbst or twin blocks to get better ccw rotation and chin projection


If your issue is narrow palate, then use expanders such as marpe

Like this post if it was helpful and mark it as solution (it's the check mark on my right)

marpe costs 1250eur in turkey let's say 2,5k and it's a skeletal expansion where they screw the appliance to the roof of the mouth, the kid said no surgeries, he could cope with alveolar expansion from bone borne expander or invisalign

 

[Deleted member 281211]

marpe costs 1250eur in turkey let's say 2,5k and it's a skeletal expansion where they screw the appliance to the roof of the mouth, the kid said no surgeries, he could cope with alveolar expansion from bone borne expander or invisalign

turkey mentioned

 

[noob7492]

marpe costs 1250eur in turkey let's say 2,5k and it's a skeletal expansion where they screw the appliance to the roof of the mouth, the kid said no surgeries, he could cope with alveolar expansion from bone borne expander or invisalign

who is the doctor that provides it for that cost? need that asap

 

[Kuros]

who is the doctor that provides it for that cost? need that asap

in turkey, ofc at the end off all things it will be like 4k tops if you count the tickets and the stay and the planning and all of those things
Almost a year I go I found this guy, rightnow I went tothe site to check it out and link it here, and seems like bro got smarter and removed the price now he has a form

Ameliyatsız Üst Çene Genişletmesi - 2026

Çene İmplantı Neden Yaptırılır? Çene yapısındaki eksiklikler, diş kayıpları ve estetik kaygılar nelerdir? Tedavi süreci nasıldır?

drcinargaffari.com

 

[noob7492]

in turkey, ofc at the end off all things it will be like 4k tops if you count the tickets and the stay and the planning and all of those things
Almost a year I go I found this guy, rightnow I went tothe site to check it out and link it here, and seems like bro got smarter and removed the price now he has a form

Ameliyatsız Üst Çene Genişletmesi - 2026

Çene İmplantı Neden Yaptırılır? Çene yapısındaki eksiklikler, diş kayıpları ve estetik kaygılar nelerdir? Tedavi süreci nasıldır?

drcinargaffari.com

I saw this guy too, has anyone actually had a thread about the experience there? Because I couldnt find any. Btw the link i found has pricing. https://drcinargaffari.com/en/non-surgical-upper-jaw-expansion/

 

[Kuros]

I saw this guy too, has anyone actually had a thread about the experience there? Because I couldnt find any. Btw the link i found has pricing. https://drcinargaffari.com/en/non-surgical-upper-jaw-expansion/

that's the link I was looking for and couldn't find (didn't try hard enough tbh), yeah I haven't heard anything about this dude tbh I just found him like 2 years ago from chat gpt xd

 

[noob7492]

that's the link I was looking for and couldn't find (didn't try hard enough tbh), yeah I haven't heard anything about this dude tbh I just found him like 2 years ago from chat gpt xd

I messaged them on whatsapp and they said their marpe is customized. Super brutal that they don’t have any people sharing their experiences though I don’t wanna get fucked up and have asyemtry.

Also they said you can’t do invisalign until 6 months after you finish expansion. Brutal duration suffering with diastema

 

[Kuros]

I messaged them on whatsapp and they said their marpe is customized. Super brutal that they don’t have any people sharing their experiences though I don’t wanna get fucked up and have asyemtry.

Also they said you can’t do invisalign until 6 months after you finish expansion. Brutal duration suffering with diastema

if you want to be 100% sure of no assymetries then your best bet would be to do SARPE(ofc have good acclusion and oral health) NOT FME it's over priced asf and used for people who don't split and are OLD mfs

 

[noob7492]

if you want to be 100% sure of no assymetries then your best bet would be to do SARPE(ofc have good acclusion and oral health) NOT FME it's over priced asf and used for people who don't split and are OLD mfs

i thought sarpe is shit expansion? i want a little under eye support. Also yeah fme price is brutal, also i am kind of old 25

 

[Kuros]

i thought sarpe is shit expansion? i want a little under eye support. Also yeah fme price is brutal, also i am kind of old 25

sharpe is just using a piezo knife to make a cut in the sutra, so you can split in case your bones are too thick or the sutra is fused, MSE just prays on the sutra opening some time and the way it's going to open migh be un even(if you have heard people discribe it it's like a fast ziping sound from the back of the mouth to the front, while sarpe will make sure your sutra is open evenly and there is not going to be a sudden un even force one day while expanding(turning the screw), aslo there is EASE which some asian doc does, but it has been "debunked" what he does, is cut the sutra, put an expander it, holding the cut open and just gainin very little mm because the expander is not stroing enough it uses like 2 tads, SARPE is the best option or something with piezo cut ingeneral, because there is a different technique where they puncture the sutra with a piezo knife so less heat come in contact with it and it heals faster(and the dmg is minimized from the heat)

 

[BroderickDark]

sharpe is just using a piezo knife to make a cut in the sutra, so you can split in case your bones are too thick or the sutra is fused, MSE just prays on the sutra opening some time and the way it's going to open migh be un even(if you have heard people discribe it it's like a fast ziping sound from the back of the mouth to the front, while sarpe will make sure your sutra is open evenly and there is not going to be a sudden un even force one day while expanding(turning the screw), aslo there is EASE which some asian doc does, but it has been "debunked" what he does, is cut the sutra, put an expander it, holding the cut open and just gainin very little mm because the expander is not stroing enough it uses like 2 tads, SARPE is the best option or something with piezo cut ingeneral, because there is a different technique where they puncture the sutra with a piezo knife so less heat come in contact with it and it heals faster(and the dmg is minimized from the heat)

Hi Man i am 18 and Kinda subhuman also i am in the UK , howver i dont mind travelling.Do you know of any doctors in Turkey or Just Europe in general doing SARPE?

 

[Kuros]

Hi Man i am 18 and Kinda subhuman also i am in the UK , howver i dont mind travelling.Do you know of any doctors in Turkey or Just Europe in general doing SARPE?

Hi, the best thing you can do is to find jaw hacks list(I just looked it up and seems like you need to become a member or something) although he has great reputation and it's defenetly a good thing to have a list, and has talked with some good doctors, that one in turkey that I know (from him) does mostly MSE custom appliences, and shes very up to date with everything
this is the most recent video of them