What do atheist think of all of the miracles?

[anemo]

 

[Lundgren]

Stories made by men to explain the universe

 

[anemo]

Stories made by men to explain the universe

Just an absolute insane ideology. So you think all of the Eucharistic miracles which were studied in labs by atheist and could not be explained in anyway was man made?

 

[AsymmetricBloatcel]

jokes write themselves

 

[Banned User]

where did all the miracles go when cameras were invented

 

[Lundgren]

Just an absolute insane ideology. So you think all of the Eucharistic miracles which were studied in labs by atheist and could not be explained in anyway was man made?

Christianity is a belief, not a truth. It is an internalized truth within humans but not an universal truth. Just as I can believe in the Lord God I can believe in any other god that humans have fabricated to explain the things around them that they couldn't explain due to a lack of understanding

 

[anemo]

where did all the miracles go when cameras were invented

No where, there has been multiple.

 

[Banned User]

No where, there has been multiple.

what are some good modern day miracle examples

 

[anemo]

Christianity is a belief, not a truth. It is an internalized truth within humans but not an universal truth. Just as I can believe in the Lord God I can believe in any other god that humans have fabricated to explain the things around them that they couldn't explain due to a lack of understanding

Ok ill get to that later, but you just completely pivoted from my point.

 

[anemo]

what are some good modern day miracle examples

Eucharistic miracles. look them up.

 

[BigBallsLarry]

there's no evidence of any miracles

 

[Lundgren]

Ok ill get to that later, but you just completely pivoted from my point.

There are hoardes of proof for many religions. Everything is an invention in our heads, a story to give sense and order to our world

 

[anemo]

There are hoardes of proof for many religions. Everything is an invention in our heads, a story to give sense and order to our world

Lol? give me some "proofs" for muslims then.

 

[anemo]

there's no evidence of any miracles

quite literally is

 

[BigBallsLarry]

quite literally is

show

 

[accinr]

quite literally is

provide it
and no im not searching up anything the burden of proof is on you

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

where did all the miracles go when cameras were invented

even if miracles did exist it couldnt be easily attributed to the Christian god , would not the one an only god make himself known ? after all miracles happen in every religion and cult, i can easily say that im god and that i did it but i wont any more because im testing humanity or attribute it to allah, buddha. etc.

i could easily as well say that an aesthetic god did for their own entertainment but you get the point

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

even if miracles did exist it couldnt be easily attributed to the Christian god , would not the one an only god make himself known ? after all miracles happen in every religion and cult, i can easily say that im god and that i did it but i wont any more because im testing humanity or attribute it to allah, buddha. etc.

i could easily as well say that an aesthetic god did for their own entertainment but you get the point

hopefully this is coherent

 

[Lundgren]

Lol? give me some "proofs" for muslims then.

Muhammed (avdol) was a real person who created real world effects. During his life he was claimed to talk to angels and perform miracles. Many people converted to his faith while avdol was still alive. Shouldn't that be proof enough that there was something he did that convinced people to convert?

 

[Panzram]

There are no documented miracles my guy

 

[anemo]

show

https://www.miracolieucaristici.org/en/liste/list.html read through this, it shows the evidence etc

 

[anemo]

There are no documented miracles my guy

eucharistic miracles.

 

[anemo]

Muhammed (avdol) was a real person who created real world effects. During his life he was claimed to talk to angels and perform miracles. Many people converted to his faith while avdol was still alive. Shouldn't that be proof enough that there was something he did that convinced people to convert?

are u retarded? in what way is this evidence of the muslim faith. the catholic church has real miracles in this century that were studied lol.

 

[accinr]

eucharistic miracles.

im not going to argue against that seems reasonable from a non-nuanced viewpoint
other than that why defend this positionn dearly?
is it just eucharistic miracles that convince you?

 

[BigBallsLarry]

https://www.miracolieucaristici.org/en/liste/list.html read through this, it shows the evidence etc

This is not evidence lol.

I mean, it is, but it's not evidence for a miracle. There's real scientific studies tied to eucharistic 'miracles' but the studies show what a sample is and not that a miracle caused it to be the sample.

To establish a miracle, you'd need evidence that the material was ORIGINALLY ordinary bread, and then it transformed human tissue, and that natural explanations were ruled out. The scientific investigations don't establish that. So there is evidence of unusual physical findings, but not scientific evidence that a supernatural christian miracle occurred.

The relic can contain human tissue and there's no way to know what caused that. For all we know someone could've put it there.

This is the case with all 'christian miracles'. It's all word of mouth and so called 'connecting the dots' but there's no real evidence tied to them.

 

[anemo]

im not going to argue against that seems reasonable from a non-nuanced viewpoint
other than that why defend this positionn dearly?
is it just eucharistic miracles that convince you?

No, ive just studied enough to where it makes wayy too much sense to not be true. not only that ive experienced miracles first hand.

 

[accinr]

No, ive just studied enough to where it makes wayy too much sense to not be true. not only that ive experienced miracles first hand.

your anecdotal proof is insufficient to justify your claim
coming back to your eucharist miracles claim though documented there is a lack of controlled scientific evidence/arent scientifically documented, there is the problem of confirmation bias of course the Catholic CHURCH is going to say those are miracles

 

[anemo]

This is not evidence lol.

I mean, it is, but it's not evidence for a miracle. There's real scientific studies tied to eucharistic 'miracles' but the studies show what a sample is and not that a miracle caused it to be the sample.

To establish a miracle, you'd need evidence that the material was ORIGINALLY ordinary bread, and then it transformed human tissue, and that natural explanations were ruled out. The scientific investigations don't establish that. So there is evidence of unusual physical findings, but not scientific evidence that a supernatural christian miracle occurred.

The relic can contain human tissue and there's no way to know what caused that. For all we know someone could've put it there.

This is the case with all 'christian miracles'. It's all word of mouth and so called 'connecting the dots' but there's no real evidence tied to them.

Okay but nobody is saying that finding human tissue under a microscope automatically proves a miracle. The argument is cumulative: you have a consecrated Eucharistic host, a documented history surrounding the event, physical material that is subsequently found to be human tissue, scientific testing identifying what that tissue is, and the question of whether fraud, contamination, or some other natural explanation actually accounts for the entire set of facts.
Your response is essentially “someone could have put it there.” But could have is not evidence. Literally any historical claim can be dismissed that way. Julius Caesar could have been secretly replaced by an impostor. Someone could have fabricated a historical document. That doesn't mean those alternatives are equally plausible without evidence for them.
And your demand that we prove the material was originally ordinary bread and then transformed misunderstands what a miracle claim is. If the transformation is precisely what is being claimed, obviously you can't go back in time with a microscope and photograph the host before and after. Historical events are established by evidence of what happened before and after the event.
You also havent shown that the natural explanation is actually more probable. You've just listed possibilities “maybe someone put it there,” “maybe contamination,” etcA possible explanation isn't automatically a probable explanation.

 

[anemo]

your anecdotal proof is insufficient to justify your claim
coming back to your eucharist miracles claim though documented there is a lack of controlled scientific evidence/arent scientifically documented, there is the problem of confirmation bias of course the Catholic CHURCH is going to say those are miracles

You asked me specifically, i told you my reasons lol?

 

[accinr]

You asked me specifically, i told you my reasons lol?

fair mb

 

[YoloHatesFoids666]

No, ive just studied enough to where it makes wayy too much sense to not be true. not only that ive experienced miracles first hand.

Shut the fuck up you probably didn’t even read

 

[anemo]

your anecdotal proof is insufficient to justify your claim
coming back to your eucharist miracles claim though documented there is a lack of controlled scientific evidence/arent scientifically documented, there is the problem of confirmation bias of course the Catholic CHURCH is going to say those are miracles

Saying of course the catholic church says its a miracle isnt a argument against the evidence.

 

[kranerman23123]

Idk anyone who thinks their little fist sized brain is going to be able to comprehend processes which are incomputable with our quantitative logic is probably a dunning kruger

 

[Johnmogs2145]

@ICXCLuvr

 

[anemo]

Shut the fuck up you probably didn’t even read

Okay?

 

[fm30366]

What miracles nigga there’s none that happen u believe in some bullshit god for ur whole life js to realize nothing happens after death jfl i js dont know how u can still believe in this stuff after all u experienced

 

[accinr]

Saying of course the catholic church says its a miracle isnt a argument against the evidence.

agreed, i am however arguing that the evidence provided needs to establish the supernatural claim rather than just just saying soomething unusual happened therefore god

 

[anemo]

What miracles nigga there’s none that happen u believe in some bullshit god for ur whole life js to realize nothing happens after death jfl i js dont know how u can still believe in this stuff after all u experienced

Low iq ignorant slop.

 

[fm30366]

Low iq ignorant slop.

Calling me low iq when u believe in god is crazy dude if someone believes in that shit that’s how ik they are retarded jfl grown adults believe this shit

 

[anemo]

agreed, i am however arguing that the evidence provided needs to establish the supernatural claim rather than just just saying soomething unusual happened therefore god

but I'm not arguing “something unusual happened, therefore God." either, im arguing that the evidence is better explained by a miracle than by the proposed natural alternatives. If you reject that, provide a plausible natural explanation

 

[The Grinch]

 

[DysgenicArtery]

You couldn't have expected a thread like this to get good responses, right

 

[Alton]

Yoooooo

 

[anemo]

Calling me low iq when u believe in god is crazy dude if someone believes in that shit that’s how ik they are retarded jfl grown adults believe this shit

Correct, i believe in the religion with one of the most extensively transmitted and studied bodies of ancient literature, with thousands of surviving Greek manuscripts and enormous amounts of early textual evidence. you havent given an argument yet, so i presume youre just too low iq to even form one, so you revert to ad hominems.

 

[anemo]

You couldn't have expected a thread like this to get good responses, right

No i dont, but i wanted to see peoples arguments, but it seems they have none except calling me retarded.

 

[anemo]

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Pretty cringe, suit yourself ig

 

[ꞨtüssyBoy]

No i dont, but i wanted to see peoples arguments, but it seems they have none except calling me retarded.

What can u expect man, ur on org. I don’t bother to discuss religion here with low iqs

 

[accinr]

but I'm not arguing “something unusual happened, therefore God." either, im arguing that the evidence is better explained by a miracle than by the proposed natural alternatives. If you reject that, provide a plausible natural explanation

before coming to that conclusion have you eliminated other variables like contamination and human intervention etc

if so i have no plausible natural explanation

 

[fm30366]

Correct, i believe in the religion with one of the most extensively transmitted and studied bodies of ancient literature, with thousands of surviving Greek manuscripts and enormous amounts of early textual evidence. you havent given an argument yet, so i presume youre just too low iq to even form one, so you revert to ad hominems.

Jfl wait till niggas realize this shits all fake, humans made it to cope with the fact of death because it’s an even worse event when a family member dies and u have no cope that’s why people say they are going to be in heaven it’s all js cope dawg

 

[anemo]

Jfl wait till niggas realize this shits all fake, humans made it to cope with the fact of death because it’s an even worse event when a family member dies and u have no cope that’s why people say they are going to be in heaven it’s all js cope dawg

I do not fear death, nor care about death.