Where have the religious discussions gone ???

[aaronbp]

Yeah he does. Read Vatican II. The current pope is also pushing for muzzie migration

sedevacantism?

 

[Häb]

Hochrechnung btw und auch wenn es 10k sind dann sind wir gleich auf

Ja , um ehrlich zu sein ist mir scheiß egal welche Kirche besser ist ich glaube an Gott rede mit ihm, hatte auch schon Begegnungen mit ihm aber bin nicht wirklich Kirchlich

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

it was jacob+ u believe in the gospel aswell... the quran is just gods final word, all the things in the rorah and bible happend like u believe just that jesus is not god, and this is kinda where u gonna have to answer the islamic dilemma without commiting sin, good luck

Our principles are quite similar lol
The difference comes with central belief
The trinity just doesn't make sense
Why would God make it complex for His believes to understand him at the very basics by saying "Trust me."
One God does
There is only One Absolute God

 

[CloudyCuck]

I haven't read your other threads I just DNRd them cause you were arguing with another person lol.
Can you copy-paste those arguments here ? I'll be glad to address them.

https://looksmax.org/threads/why-i-think-christianity-is-legit.1901103/

 

[GonorrhoeaGobbler]

we do tho lmao

all the time

 

[CloudyCuck]

sedevacantism?

I’m not catholic

 

[aaronbp]

Our principles are quite similar lol
The difference comes with central belief
The trinity just doesn't make sense
Why would God make it complex for His believes to understand him at the very basics by saying "Trust me."
One God does
There is only One Absolute God

3 distinct persons which r all the same being?
st augustine even wrote a whole book on it?

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

https://looksmax.org/threads/why-i-think-christianity-is-legit.1901103/

So basically you brought the source for Islam being incorrect and Christianity being the opposite by sourcing your claims from a Christian source ? Not satisfactory

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

3 distinct persons which r all the same being?
st augustine even wrote a whole book on it?

"Distinct" and "same" are contradictory terms.
I am not you or you are not me.
Worshipping a single God with no partners makes more sense

 

[ltn gooner]

No he wasn't.
Muhammad was a part of the Quraish but he didn't follow their religion. At first, his religion was small, so the Quraish used to oppress him and the followers of Islam. They had no other option but to retaliate. Also, Muhammad expanded his empire with peace, and only took the option of the sword if he was threatened with wars or if he was disobeyed on VERY important matters.
The argument of Muslims for Aisha's age can be summarized:
1) Children matured very early in those times, especially in the region Muhammad was in.
2) Aisha was shown to be an exceptional child with profound intelligence and maturity which can be confirmed by the fact that she is one of the biggest Islamic scholars, narrating many Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad).
3) Aisha and her parents accepted the proposal from Muhammad.

Whats with Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf 624/625 and how do you explain muslim scholars say they would give thier 5 month yo daughter to marry him. And its still halal to marry a minor in islam. Imo, you can't legitimize marrying a 9yo in any way. Also why was your greatest Prophet leading troups into war and even if his enemys disobeyed him, you don't just kill them. Look at the first councils like niceaa 1. The orthodox bishops didn't just kill the arians, they talked it out.

 

[CloudyCuck]

So basically you brought the source for Islam being incorrect and Christianity being the opposite by sourcing your claims from a Christian source ? Not satisfactory

No. You didn’t even read.

Islam is incorrect because:
-it’s a new religion, clearly mixing and corrupting the jew and christian faiths so they can rally some arabs in mecca to kill some jews
-the Bible predicted islam would happen exactly as it did (an angel supposedly visiting mohammad with a brand new revelation)
-islam’s moral values don’t make sense, they promote lying, which makes them inherently untrustworthy
-islam claims mohammed is perfect and supremely moral, but he is shown encouraging killing, lying, pedophilia, breaking peace treaties. The religion is self contradictory.

You are gonna skip some of these and address 1 or 2 points with some new studies, but that will make it even less trustworthy, since you’ll be trying to debunk your own texts

 

[ltn gooner]

Ja , um ehrlich zu sein ist mir scheiß egal welche Kirche besser ist ich glaube an Gott rede mit ihm, hatte auch schon Begegnungen mit ihm aber bin nicht wirklich Kirchlich

Vertrau mir, befass dich bischen mit der geschichte der Kirche und du wirst katholisch . Gottes Segen dir

 

[aaronbp]

"Distinct" and "same" are contradictory terms.
I am not you or you are not me.
Worshipping a single God with no partners makes more sense

he since the son is not the father and the father not the son
yet they have the same essence
this is not contradicting

it would be if i said they have the same nature yet tghe divine nature is different since god can not be less than god ( expample for contradicting)

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

No. You didn’t even read.

Islam is incorrect because:
-it’s a new religion, clearly mixing and corrupting the jew and christian faiths so they can rally some arabs in mecca to kill some jews
-the Bible predicted islam would happen exactly as it did (an angel supposedly visiting mohammad with a brand new revelation)
-islam’s moral values don’t make sense, they promote lying, which makes them inherently untrustworthy
-islam claims mohammed is perfect and supremely moral, but he is shown encouraging killing, lying, pedophilia, breaking peace treaties. The religion is self contradictory.

You are gonna skip some of these and address 1 or 2 points with some new studies, but that will make it even less trustworthy, since you’ll be trying to debunk your own texts

he since the son is not the father and the father not the son
yet they have the same essence
this is not contradicting

it would be if i said they have the same nature yet tghe divine nature is different since god can not be less than god

Whats with Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf 624/625 and how do you explain muslim scholars say they would give thier 5 month yo daughter to marry him. And its still halal to marry a minor in islam. Imo, you can't legitimize marrying a 9yo in any way. Also why was your greatest Prophet leading troups into war and even if his enemys disobeyed him, you don't just kill them. Look at the first councils like niceaa 1. The orthodox bishops didn't just kill the arians, they talked it out.

Hold on guys I'm gonna go eat dinner
I'll come back and address your points I promise

 

[ltn gooner]

Why do you believe in god?

It just makes sense to me ngl and if you tryna find him, you'll find him and feel him whilste the holy mass and while you pray. My best advice for you is just trying to find him, got nothing to lose so just try.

 

[aaronbp]

Hold on guys I'm gonna go eat dinner
I'll come back and address your points I promise

sure can i also adress some points why i think islam is false?

 

[Deleted member 276814]

It just makes sense to me ngl and if you tryna find him, you'll find him and feel him whilste the holy mass and while you pray. My best advice for you is just trying to find him, got nothing to lose so just try.

I would love for the Christian God to be real but I have a hard time truly believing it. Christianity to me seems like a fairy tale created by the elites to keep the peasants in check. Also an excuse to take the peasants money during the dark ages. Neither he, an angel or any creature related to Christianity has returned either so we can prove his existence.
I find very little logic for Christianity to be the truth

 

[ltn gooner]

Muslims can claim all kinds of stuff, that’s besides the point. I don’t believe a word they say, but why did a Church council say that they worship the Father like Caths do?

The reason is insane is that they have a very different moral code from us. They also deny Jesus and if you deny Jesus you deny the Father as well. Just doesn’t make sense for them to be anything like Catholics. Same applies for the current Jewish faith. For that reason I can’t trust Rome

I see you're very knowledgeable, love that . But the muslims just claim to worship the God of Abraham too, thats what vat 2 says. The jews also worship the same God the father but deny that Jesus is the Messiah. So we believe in the trinity,God the father, son and holy spirit and they believe in just God the father.

 

[Häb]

Vertrau mir, befass dich bischen mit der geschichte der Kirche und du wirst katholisch . Gottes Segen dir

Danke

 

[CloudyCuck]

I see you're very knowledgeable, love that . But the muslims just claim to worship the God of Abraham too, thats what vat 2 says. The jews also worship the same God the father but deny that Jesus is the Messiah. So we believe in the trinity,God the father, son and holy spirit and they believe in just God the father.

I know. But that’s not enough. You shouldn’t validate their claim because Jesus explicitly says you can’t deny part of the Trinity.

I do respect the catholic fighter spirit and almost converted but I can’t do it when they say things like this

 

[ltn gooner]

I would love for the Christian God to be real but I have a hard time truly believing it. Christianity to me seems like a fairy tale created by the elites to keep the peasants in check. Also an excuse to take the peasants money during the dark ages. Neither he, an angel or any creature related to Christianity has returned either so we can prove his existence.
I find very little logic for Christianity to be the truth

Jesus has appeared and was crucified that is historicaly proven. And between/after that something has to had happen for thousands of people to die for that faith. Especially the apostles. 11 of them were martyred, they just had to denie their faith but they didn't and psychologie tells us that nobody would die for a lie. So either sience is fake or Jesus resurrection was real and he was really God

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

sure can i also adress some points why i think islam is false?

Sure I'll be back in a minute

 

[ltn gooner]

I know. But that’s not enough. You shouldn’t validate their claim because Jesus explicitly says you can’t deny part of the Trinity.

I do respect the catholic fighter spirit and almost converted but I can’t do it when they say things like this

You can convert to the sspx oder fspx. They split up from catholicism after vat 2 and reject that. They're heretics but better be a heretic than reject God imo. And to your point, i don't denie part of the trinity, they do (the jews) and the saying from vat 2 was talkin abt the God abraham that they claim too, althlugh they don't believe in the real God.

 

[CloudyCuck]

You can convert to the sspx oder fspx. They split up from catholicism after vat 2 and reject that. They're heretics but better be a heretic than reject God imo. And to your point, i don't denie part of the trinity, they do (the jews) and the saying from vat 2 was talkin abt the God abraham that they claim too, althlugh they don't believe in the real God.

You’re not getting it though. Jews and Muslims don’t worship the same God as us. To say they do is very sus.

 

[toji.]

When I die, I know that God will not reproach me for not believing in him, because he knows that it is not important. Because my doubt was never defiant.

How sad life would be if God needed such constant approval.

 

[ltn gooner]

You’re not getting it though. Jews and Muslims don’t worship the same God as us. To say they do is very sus.

Ik but theologically all churches agree on the thing that God still has a bound with the jews (NOT THE STATE OF ISRAEL) what is completly biblical. But they reject the true God

 

[ltn gooner]

When I die, I know that God will not reproach me for not believing in him, because he knows that it is not important. Because my doubt was never defiant.

How sad life would be if God needed such constant approval.

So you call God lazy and not careing ? Great Job bud, you didn't understand anything about God

 

[aaronbp]

Ik but theologically all churches agree on the thing that God still has a bound with the jews (NOT THE STATE OF ISRAEL) what is completly biblical. But they reject the true God

kannst du mir den konzil geben, habe darüber nix gelesen wäre aber tatsächlich durch den talmud einer sehr anderen meinung
jemand der aktiv maria als " h***" beleidigt und jesus als lügner darstellt und als "ba*****" wird denke ich mal keinen bund mehr mit gott haben...

 

[CloudyCuck]

Ik but theologically all churches agree on the thing that God still has a bound with the jews (NOT THE STATE OF ISRAEL) what is completly biblical. But they reject the true God

Okay, maybe you’re kind of right about the Jews but the Talmud says that Jesus is in hell atm. Imagine explaining that to God

However, muslims don’t even have that. They are a new religion that not only denies the Trinity, but St Paul predicts and calls out 700 years before they even existed. You can’t claim they worship the same God as us.

 

[ltn gooner]

kannst du mir den konzil geben, habe darüber nix gelesen wäre aber tatsächlich durch den talmud einer sehr anderen meinung
jemand der aktiv maria als " h***" beleidigt und jesus als lügner darstellt und als "ba*****" wird denke ich mal keinen bund mehr mit gott haben...

Tatsälich Biblisch schon. Idk ob du das alte Testament, exodus, gelesen hast aber Göttingen hat einen Bund mit Abraham geschlossen und diesen nie aufgelöst. Also gibt es den noch. Dazu ist es schon möglich da Gott dich hier auf der Erde ja liebt egal was du machst und wen du beleidigst yk ?

 

[ltn gooner]

kannst du mir den konzil geben, habe darüber nix gelesen wäre aber tatsächlich durch den talmud einer sehr anderen meinung
jemand der aktiv maria als " h***" beleidigt und jesus als lügner darstellt und als "ba*****" wird denke ich mal keinen bund mehr mit gott haben...

Aber vat 2 um deine Frage zu beantworten

 

[toji.]

So you call God lazy and not careing ? Great Job bud, you didn't understand anything about God

Why should God care about His creation? If that were the case, why does He give humans so much freedom? Why does He allow evil in the world?

If God exists, he should be incomprehensible to humans. Shouldn't humans be incapable of creating the idea of God, or even determining what is and isn't divine? Only God can think divinely.

In that case, everything human and all human ideas about the divine would be mere guesses, but never certainties or truths.

This is why religion is a matter of belief rather than truth: humans will never be able to grasp the truth of God because they are not God.

Religion is therefore merely a vessel for the human concept of divinity, and everything surrounding that institution is an illusion. Who are we to decide what belongs to God and what does not?

If God existed, he would not judge me by human standards, so why should I waste time living according to the human idea of what belongs to God in the hope of entering paradise?

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

Whats with Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf 624/625 and how do you explain muslim scholars say they would give thier 5 month yo daughter to marry him. And its still halal to marry a minor in islam. Imo, you can't legitimize marrying a 9yo in any way. Also why was your greatest Prophet leading troups into war and even if his enemys disobeyed him, you don't just kill them. Look at the first councils like niceaa 1. The orthodox bishops didn't just kill the arians, they talked it out.

Ka’b bin al-Ashraf al-Yahoodee was a jew in Al-Madinah who used to recite defamatory poetry about the Prophet and also made explicit poems about the Muslim women. Hence, he was ordered to be killed by the Prophet
Which Muslim scholars said that ?
I already listed my points for the case of Aisha and many Muslims argue that she was above 18 years old
The Prophet gave the best and most logical type of treatment to prisoners: He made them do tasks such as teaching children or doing community service rather than torturing them. One example is after the battle of badr when he gave good treatment to prisoners which was noted by the non believers themselves which is why many of the prisoners converted to Islam afterwards

 

[ltn gooner]

Okay, maybe you’re kind of right about the Jews but the Talmud says that Jesus is in hell atm. Imagine explaining that to God

However, muslims don’t even have that. They are a new religion that not only denies the Trinity, but St Paul predicts and calls out 700 years before they even existed. You can’t claim they worship the same God as us.

Its the same as with the Jews. They worship God too but just wrong, like the muslims and they believe in one God and one person God, the God of Abraham, Jakob..... We believe in three persons, that are one God, the God of Abraham, Jakob....

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

No. You didn’t even read.

Islam is incorrect because:
-it’s a new religion, clearly mixing and corrupting the jew and christian faiths so they can rally some arabs in mecca to kill some jews
-the Bible predicted islam would happen exactly as it did (an angel supposedly visiting mohammad with a brand new revelation)
-islam’s moral values don’t make sense, they promote lying, which makes them inherently untrustworthy
-islam claims mohammed is perfect and supremely moral, but he is shown encouraging killing, lying, pedophilia, breaking peace treaties. The religion is self contradictory.

You are gonna skip some of these and address 1 or 2 points with some new studies, but that will make it even less trustworthy, since you’ll be trying to debunk your own texts

1. By this logic Hinduism is the true religion since it's widely claimed to be the oldest. Also, like I said before, Muslims only fought when provoked.
2. Can you provide the source ?
3. Quite the opposite. Lying is a big sin in Islam: Truly, Allah shall not guide the one who transgresses and constantly lies" [Ghāfir: 28] Can you provide the source where lying is encouraged ?
4. Show me all the sources from the Quran or Hadith or any authoritarian source. If you're talking about fighting non-believers, refer to the context as it says: only when provoked

 

[aaronbp]

Tatsälich Biblisch schon. Idk ob du das alte Testament, exodus, gelesen hast aber Göttingen hat einen Bund mit Abraham geschlossen und diesen nie aufgelöst. Also gibt es den noch. Dazu ist es schon möglich da Gott dich hier auf der Erde ja liebt egal was du machst und wen du beleidigst yk ?

ja denke es handelt sich um normale juden ( die den Talmud rejecten) ich meine jesus meinte zu ihnen synagoge satans.
durch christus opfer wurde der band erfüllt , und ja gott liebt jeden sonst wäre er logischerweise nicht gott,
aber sie sind auf keinen fall mehr gottes volk

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

he since the son is not the father and the father not the son
yet they have the same essence
this is not contradicting

it would be if i said they have the same nature yet tghe divine nature is different since god can not be less than god ( expample for contradicting)

Why would God be described as three people when He is All-Powerful and does not have any relations and support in His omnipresence ?
THe concept of Tauheed in Islam is clearly more logical as worship is directed to only One Figure rather than 3, and Unitarian christians who oppose the Trinity also exist further supporting it's illogical concept

 

[aaronbp]

1. By this logic Hinduism is the true religion since it's widely claimed to be the oldest. Also, like I said before, Muslims only fought when provoked.
2. Can you provide the source ?
3. Quite the opposite. Lying is a big sin in Islam: Truly, Allah shall not guide the one who transgresses and constantly lies" [Ghāfir: 28] Can you provide the source where lying is encouraged ?
4. Show me all the sources from the Quran or Hadith or any authoritarian source. If you're talking about fighting non-believers, refer to the context as it says: only when provoked

1. true partly muslims where often aggresors in wars so as us catholics
2. i think it was in galatians 1: 8-9
3. well yes its a sin, but allah is the greatest deceiver states the quran, which doesnt make much sense when we come to the theological being of god
4. too lazy rn i hope the one who wrote the thread will do it if he doesnt i will later

 

[CloudyCuck]

Its the same as with the Jews. They worship God too but just wrong, like the muslims and they believe in one God and one person God, the God of Abraham, Jakob..... We believe in three persons, that are one God, the God of Abraham, Jakob....

It doesn’t matter what muslims say. That shouldn’t affect your religion. They believe in one god, but that’s not enough. Their moral system is nothing like ours. Do you think our God would tell them to go kill unbelievers and lie to kaffirs.

If you just follow the one god logic, the Baal worshippers are monotheistic too. Do they worship the same god as us?

 

[aaronbp]

Why would God be described as three people when He is All-Powerful and does not have any relations and support in His omnipresence ?
THe concept of Tauheed in Islam is clearly more logical as worship is directed to only One Figure rather than 3, and Unitarian christians who oppose the Trinity also exist further supporting it's illogical concept

cuz it doesnt support his omni its part of a being, why wouldt he?
i mean its an essence not like the dude u see on the street
since he is all powerfull the essence can have hypostasis. if he would, he wouldnt be al powerfull, this is not really contradicting

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

1. true partly muslims where often aggresors in wars so as us catholics
2. i think it was in galatians 1: 8-9
3. well yes its a sin, but allah is the greatest deceiver states the quran, which doesnt make much sense when we come to the theological being of god
4. too lazy rn i hope the one who wrote the thread will do it if he doesnt i will later

Let me start by saying for point 3: No ? What's the verse ?
Point 1: That evens us out then, but I believe Catholics were a bigger aggressor throughout history than Muslims.
Point 2: Doesn't prove Islam false
By this logic Christianity is mentioned multiple times in Quran to be the religion of the non believers

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

cuz it doesnt support his omni its part of a being, why wouldt he?
i mean its an essence not like the dude u see on the street
since he is all powerfull the essence can have hypostasis. if he would, he wouldnt be al powerfull, this is not really contradicting

But question is: why ?
Why complicate things so much that entire holy (emphasis on holy) books have to be written just to make sense out of this ?

 

[aaronbp]

Let me start by saying for point 3: No ? What's the verse ?
Point 1: That evens us out then, but I believe Catholics were a bigger aggressor throughout history than Muslims.
Point 2: Doesn't prove Islam false
By this logic Christianity is mentioned multiple times in Quran to be the religion of the non believers

surah 3:54 i believe not sure rn
doesnt said it proves it, but i mean why would god even after this verse which was there for 300 years before mohammed was born, even let him be called as the a prophet when he preaches some different while christanity was on the rise
this for me doesnt make sense allah knew christians would think mohammed is a liar cuz of this verse

yeah the logic doesnt make sense cuz christanity was there before, i could write a book and say quran is false and say yeah but i say quran is false after 1400 years, this logic applying to islam doesnt make sense sorry bud

 

[CloudyCuck]

1. By this logic Hinduism is the true religion since it's widely claimed to be the oldest. Also, like I said before, Muslims only fought when provoked.

That’s not true. But even if it was ‘Only when provoked’ is an excuse. A perfect religion wouldn’t use excuses.

2. Can you provide the source ?

2 Corinthians 11:14that "Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light,"

In Galatians 1:8, the Apostle Paul declares, "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!"

3. Quite the opposite. Lying is a big sin in Islam: Truly, Allah shall not guide the one who transgresses and constantly lies" [Ghāfir: 28] Can you provide the source where lying is encouraged ?

Allah described as a great deceiver - Surah Ali 'Imran (3:54)

The entire principle of taqiiya. Even if you say it’s supposed to be during prosecution, it’s an excuse to lie. And a lot of muslims use it to lie to advance the religion.

“We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them" - Abu ad Darda

4. Show me all the sources from the Quran or Hadith or any authoritarian source. If you're talking about fighting non-believers, refer to the context as it says: only when provoked

“Only when provoked” is an excuse. God is infallible and doesn’t need excuses. Only muslims use that excuse too.

Also muslims were a bigger aggressor than catholics. They invaded all of the middle east, the levant, north africa, persia, and tried to colonise Europe both from the East and the West, but thankfully were beaten back.

Also also, of course islam claims Christianity is false, but they have no proof except for ‘an angel told me bro’.

 

[ltn gooner]

Why should God care about His creation? If that were the case, why does He give humans so much freedom? Why does He allow evil in the world?

If God exists, he should be incomprehensible to humans. Shouldn't humans be incapable of creating the idea of God, or even determining what is and isn't divine? Only God can think divinely.

In that case, everything human and all human ideas about the divine would be mere guesses, but never certainties or truths.

This is why religion is a matter of belief rather than truth: humans will never be able to grasp the truth of God because they are not God.

Religion is therefore merely a vessel for the human concept of divinity, and everything surrounding that institution is an illusion. Who are we to decide what belongs to God and what does not?

If God existed, he would not judge me by human standards, so why should I waste time living according to the human idea of what belongs to God in the hope of entering paradise?

Imma go through that point for point.
1. There is evil in the world because of evil humans. Ig you believe that too so we got one point together. God doesn't intervene because he gave us this free will. Imagine if he would intervene, he is righteous btw, we would all rot in hell because we've all fucked up. And if he would've stopped sin from the beginning we would just be slaves worshipping him all day, having no free will.

2.God is incomprehensible to humans. You can never fully understand God and humans can't comprehens divinity. You're definetly right religion is based on faith not on truth. Even the church fathers said that on the 3rd ecumenical council. Pope coelestin said that. But some things about God have been revealed (the holy trinity, 2 natures of christ...) and we know that God is real. We also know through the knowledge of the church that was give to us throigh christ what is the truth. In the end God is righteous and will judge us all the same and this is what has been revealed through church councils, the bible, Jesus and prophets.

I hope you get my points. Please tell me if i got your points right. And excuse me for my poor writing skills im german and just a junior in highschool

 

[rraymond]

I remember like a year+ ago there were some debates here and there and it was honestly fun to watch. But now i feel like every religious mf on here left. There are some christians like myself but no beef goin on like catholic vs protestant. I feel like the muslims on here left too and even the atheists are too scared to post on their faith.
LETS BRING BACK RELIGIOUS DEBATES
FUCK ATHEISM, FUCK ISLAM, SUBMIT TO ROME INCEL

true but idm them gone

 

[Jensonsahighlander]

they’re still out there tho it’s just always in a thread that had a completely different topic

 

[aaronbp]

But question is: why ?
Why complicate things so much that entire holy (emphasis on holy) books have to be written just to make sense out of this ?

why should i get whats god thinking? this is an illogical question friend. like thats kind of question why would god do that and that, we dont know atleast i dont know, and we dont need to know, why should our limited mind who makes tons of mistakes undertsand why a perfect being does something edit ( maybe has to do something with paying our debt like christ did and only the son who came down can do it but idk and dont need to)
all that matters is that it makes sense, and be fr is it that hard to understand? like from a neutral pov
i dont think so i got in like 5 mins

 

[paralyz3d]

Mohammed was a warlord and peodphile

He had intercourse with 30 men btw

 

[ltn gooner]

Ka’b bin al-Ashraf al-Yahoodee was a jew in Al-Madinah who used to recite defamatory poetry about the Prophet and also made explicit poems about the Muslim women. Hence, he was ordered to be killed by the Prophet
Which Muslim scholars said that ?
I already listed my points for the case of Aisha and many Muslims argue that she was above 18 years old
The Prophet gave the best and most logical type of treatment to prisoners: He made them do tasks such as teaching children or doing community service rather than torturing them. One example is after the battle of badr when he gave good treatment to prisoners which was noted by the non believers themselves which is why many of the prisoners converted to Islam afterwards

You knowledgeable too and defend your religion valid, i like that bhai. But i personally can't follow a prophet who ordered people to be killed and appearently married a 9yo.
Btw here is the link to the Imam i was talkin abt earlier


Another argument is the islamic Dilemma with the bible and the torah. And also that Mohammed felt like his Aorta being cut through while he dies. Before that your Allah said in the quran that if there would appear a false Prophet he would cut through his Aorta