Who is less European, Greeks & Italians or Bulgarians?

[hopecel]

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actual Turks don't look any lighter than those Griks

These are pretty dark but a lot of Turks are darker tbh, especially in eastern Turkey (Kurds).

Kurds aren't Turkish

 

[Shahnameh]

actual Turks don't look any lighter than those Griks

Because Turks are Greeks JFL, 85% of Turkish dna comes from cretan greeks

 

[Olivecel]

If there were no Greeks and later Romans, Europe as defined culturally and geographically today and the glorious Western Civilization would never have existed.
By default Bulgarians are the less European.

If we're just talking DNA:

Both Yanmaya and Early Neolithic Anatolian Farmers came from outside of Europe. Technically the populations who are the "most European" are the ones who have the highest amount of western european hunter gatherer DNA.

Greek culture wasn’t like Western culture. I don’t believe that romanticist propaganda.
True Western culture as we know it started with the Enlightenment period.

 

[Olivecel]

actual Turks don't look any lighter than those Griks

Kurds aren't Turkish

Turks are Turkic jfl. Ethnic Turks of modern Turkey are a racial mix of Greeks, Kurds, Armenians, Arabs, Georgians, Bulgarians, etc. none of which are white. Perhaps Bulgarians and Georgians are the whitest but still not white.

 

[Part-Time Chad]

This isn’t the case at all. Same with any med country.

Meds are largely mixed, with notable minorities of very light and very dark peoples.

 

[hopecel]

Turks are Turkic jfl. Ethnic Turks of modern Turkey are a racial mix of Greeks, Kurds, Armenians, Arabs, Georgians, Bulgarians, etc. none of which are white. Perhaps Bulgarians and Georgians are the whitest but still not white.

yeah and Turks also have "Aryan" looks either from Slavs (Balkan/Eastern) or Iranic/Scythian tribes

 

[Olivecel]

yeah and Turks also have "Aryan" looks either from Slavs (Balkan/Eastern) or Iranic/Scythian tribes

By Iranic I’m guessing you mean pre-Persian Iranic the original Aryan ones. Iranians are definitely not white jfl.

 

[|Daddy_Zygos|]

They do have a point in a sense, but they overstate it

It's also because race, no matter where online, will always get people worked up in some way. So basically it's a good say to dopamine farm notifications lmfao

It always have been sadly wished they did that on looksmaxxing (Also people are naturally tribalistic)
put bro the John smith avi

 

[Praxxis]

If there were no Greeks and later Romans, Europe as defined culturally and geographically today and the glorious Western Civilization would never have existed.
By default Bulgarians are the less European.

If we're just talking DNA:

Both Yanmaya and Early Neolithic Anatolian Farmers came from outside of Europe. Technically the populations who are the "most European" are the ones who have the highest amount of western european hunter gatherer DNA.

Good point, also thanks for pointing out how all Europeans are a mix of ANF & Steppe, it's just some are more drifted than others.

 

[Praxxis]

It always have been sadly wished they did that on looksmaxxing (Also people are naturally tribalistic)
put bro the John smith avi
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He's literally me fr on gawd no cap skibidi rizz sheit

 

[Praxxis]

Western Balkans are Dinaric while Eastern (Bulgaria, Macedonia, Romania) are not

Seems it extends there, and I imagine they're Alpinid+Mediterranid

again, no one who's Eastern/Southeastern/Southern European is white, there's only some white-passing people from those regions

Ok

there's no such thing as genetically European, Europeans are a large group of totally different peoples who live on the same area

Incorrect:

not some but most Dinarics are "swarthy" in comparison to your average German... that's what whiteness means for me - most Lithuanians can pass as Natives in the West so they're predominantly white(-passing) whereas Dinarics aren't

Retarded take tbh

 

[Praxxis]

Dinarid is related to Armenoid in terms of skull structure and facial features according to racial anthropologists. Only differences are pigmentation.
They have overlapping features such as large, convex noses, brachycephalic heads, eye shape, etc.

They do have some similarities, but also differences enough:

Left is more elongated, is more defined, and the nose seems even different to a degree

Also forehead is more sloped.

And as always, race has to do with genotype also

MENA isn’t a phenotype bruh. MENA is also diverse in phenotypes and many of their phenotypes overlap with southeastern European ones.

Some overlap does exist yes, but it seems overstated

Do I gotta explain in detail? Wtff:
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Green= the European bulk

Excludes Spain, North Italy, etc.

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Greeks and southern Italians also have some degree of Natufian and Iranian Neolithic ancestries that the rest of Europe lacks completely:
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I see, but also it shows they share a lot in common with Europe

And most other Meds & Balkans do as well, but yes it seems Greeks are more drifted.

 

[hopecel]

Seems it extends there, and I imagine they're Alpinid+Mediterranid

no it doesn't

the actual Dinaric race area are Dinaric Alps

Incorrect:

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arbitrary criteria

Retarded take tbh

why so? we simply aren't the same, we're not the same race

if you don't consider someone your close relative then you're completely distant from each other

 

[Ghoulish]

Even their own islamic caliphate got cucked by Persians who took it over shortly after

Persians lost horribly to the caliphate back to back. Arabs were the reason Turks were Muslim in the first place. Byzantines also got fucked up by Arabs.

 

[Shahnameh]

Persians lost horribly to the caliphate back to back. Arabs were the reason Turks were Muslim in the first place. Byzantines also got fucked up by Arabs.

Turks converted to islam through Persians, Turks fell in love with Persian culture and adopted many traits from us

Arabs had nothing to do with it, in fact the Turks later came in and destroyed Baghdad and built towers of skulls from the arabs they killed.

Byzantines also BTFO of the arabs, the arabs never reached Constantinople

 

[Olivecel]

Arabs had nothing to do with it, in fact the Turks later came in and destroyed Baghdad and built towers of skulls from the arabs they killed.

Dang so Turks didn’t only hate white Christian people but they hated everybody even fellow Muslims.

 

[Olivecel]

Arabs had nothing to do with it, in fact the Turks later came in and destroyed Baghdad and built towers of skulls from the arabs they killed.

Turks were brutal. They were also eugenics. There was a period during the Ottoman Empire where Turks would kidnap Greek and Armenian children and castrate them so they couldn’t reproduce.

 

[Shahnameh]

Turks were brutal. They were also eugenics. There was a period during the Ottoman Empire where Turks would kidnap Greek and Armenian children and castrate them so they couldn’t reproduce.

I thought they only did that to the Black Slaves JFL

I still have no idea why the Americans didn't do the same with their black slaves

 

[Shahnameh]

Dang so Turks didn’t only hate white Christian people but they hated everybody even fellow Muslims.

Read about what they did to the Saudi Rebel king, how they tortured him and his followers then grinded their bodies up

Wahhabi War - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Abdullah bin Saud Al Saud - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

@SecularIslamist

Abdullah's four sons were also beheaded with him.[14][15] Prior to his execution, Abdullah, who forbade listening to music, was forced to listen to the lute.

Old Ottomans did not fuck around, the americans are too nice in the middle east this is why they failed in iraq and Afghanistan

Siege of Diriyah - Wikipedia

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When the spectacle was over Abdullah was beheaded, after the execution his head was crushed with a mortar and his body was suspended on a post with a dagger plunged into it for all to see.[

More brutal punishments of the Saudis followed, notably against two sheikhs who had personally offended Ibrahim Pasha two years earlier.[21] The first who was the former governor of Diriyah had all of his teeth pulled out while the second was beaten and tied to the mouth of cannon which was then fired.[2

 

[SecularIslamist]

Read about what they did to the Saudi Rebel king, how they tortured him and his followers then grinded their bodies up

Wahhabi War - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Abdullah bin Saud Al Saud - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

@SecularIslamist



Old Ottomans did not fuck around, the americans are too nice in the middle east this is why they failed in iraq and Afghanistan

Siege of Diriyah - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

They should have fucked them up even more before they sided with the British. I can understand their frustrations because they Ottomans had also become cuck prior to Faggaturk anyway. But the Saudis went to the other extreme in their Wahhabism.

 

[Shahnameh]

They should have fucked them up even more before they sided with the British. I can understand their frustrations because they Ottomans had also become cuck prior to Faggaturk anyway. But the Saudis went to the other extreme in their Wahhabism.

Islam made the Turks cucked, before Turks were way more brutal with their enemies.

Turks used to get their enemy generals skulls and use it as a drinking up, they would force the other side to drink blood from it to sign a treaty.

They made the Aztecs look peaceful

 

[SecularIslamist]

Islam made the Turks cucked, before Turks were way more brutal with their enemies.

Turks used to get their enemy generals skulls and use it as a drinking up, they would force the other side to drink blood from it to sign a treaty.

They made the Aztecs look peaceful

Islam civilised these barbarians.

 

[Ghoulish]

Turks converted to islam through Persians, Turks fell in love with Persian culture and adopted many traits from us

Arabs had nothing to do with it, in fact the Turks later came in and destroyed Baghdad and built towers of skulls from the arabs they killed.

Byzantines also BTFO of the arabs, the arabs never reached Constantinople

The skull thing is shit they did against any rebels. They did that shit to ur beloved wybois and Arabs alike, even Turks who went against them. They didn’t “destroy” Baghdad they just annexed it.

Persians didn’t take over the Arabs lmao they annexed and destroyed the Sasanians and turned them Muslim.

They destroyed all Byzantine land in the Middle East and Africa and caused their collapse. If the Arabs never started their conquests the byzantines wouldn’t have fell. Not taking Constantinople doesn’t mean they didn’t destroy their influence and status.

 

[Ghoulish]

Islam made the Turks cucked, before Turks were way more brutal with their enemies.

Turks used to get their enemy generals skulls and use it as a drinking up, they would force the other side to drink blood from it to sign a treaty.

They made the Aztecs look peaceful

Peak Turks were post Islam, being barbaric isn’t dark triad that shit is weird. Most people don’t know anything about the Turkic tribes pre Ottoman Empire.

 

[Shahnameh]

The skull thing is shit they did against any rebels. They did that shit to ur beloved wybois and Arabs alike, even Turks who went against them. They didn’t “destroy” Baghdad they just annexed it.

Persians didn’t take over the Arabs lmao they annexed and destroyed the Sasanians and turned them Muslim.

They destroyed all Byzantine land in the Middle East and Africa and caused their collapse. If the Arabs never started their conquests the byzantines wouldn’t have fell. Not taking Constantinople doesn’t mean they didn’t destroy their influence and status.

Siege of Baghdad (1401) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

They were ordered to bring one head of each Inhabitant, idk why wikipedia says Timur was a mongol though when he was Uzbek

The 1258 siege also killed like 2 million arabs and it's the reason why Baghdad today is not the largest city

 

[Shahnameh]

Peak Turks were post Islam, being barbaric isn’t dark triad that shit is weird. Most people don’t know anything about the Turkic tribes pre Ottoman Empire.

Khazars
Huns

 

[Ghoulish]

Khazars
Huns

barely anyone knows them, most people who learn a lot about general history think the huns were chinky East Asians.

 

[ascension124]

Ive been to both countries and Turks are a lot whiter on average then Greeks. Island Greeks look borderline indian

Turks are not white

 

[Saint Casanova]

Turks are not white

Why do some Turks look very white ? I can sometimes mistake them for Balkans

 

[ascension124]

Why do some Turks look very white ? I can sometimes mistake them for Balkans

Bc many of them are Balkan Turks that immigrated due to converting to Islam

 

[Olivecel]

Bc many of them are Balkan Turks that immigrated due to converting to Islam

Balkans aren’t very white either tho.

 

[Emiqrox]

stop this infighting man, its how the jews managed to gain control even after the Holocaust, they are all European and we must beat back the shitskin horde like we did with the Mongols before

should all people in asia unite because theyre asians too? pan nationalism is low iq

 

[Emiqrox]

Greeks then south italians and then bulgarians. Greeks have significant MENA influence that many people dont want to admit (theyre still euro but they def have mena influences)