Who is the MMA goat?

[Jason Voorhees]

Title. If there's none comment your choice below. Imo it is gsp @Gargantuan @ShowerMaxxing @Bipolar Vamp6ix @cucklek

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@sushii @TechnoBoss @The Dark Phoenix @shizuku11111

 

[TechnoBoss]

Hard to decide between JJ and Mighty Mouse but I’m going MM

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Hard to decide between JJ and Mighty Mouse but I’m going MM

I think Jones is overrated. Almost every big name in his resume he fought was the post prime versions of them not to mention the eye pokes and Failed USADA. Gsp deserves the GOAT title more. 9 title defences, Came back after a 4-year hiatus to win the UFC Middleweight Championship, becoming a two-division champion. Insane fight IQ, good heart and out-wrestled Olympic-level wrestlers like Josh Koscheck and Matt Hughes, ducked no one and defeated all the big names in their primes.

 

[Bipolar Vamp6ix]

Objectively speaking for me this is a hard choice, you cant really pinpoint one fighter out of all the divisions in the 30 years the ufc has been established and say 'yeah this guy is THE ultimate fighter' because although there are some fighters who are head and shoulders above everyone else and stand out, for me personally its hard to pick one because as the saying goes "every flower has a different smell", you could say jon jones because of his overall dominance of the LHW divison and now HW also, plus the fact that he was the youngest champion ever and his tremendous fight i.q which many people overlook, you could say Khabib because of his powerhouse wrestling, mauling of the LW division and his record, GSP for his discipline, mindset and skillset at MW, Mighty Mouse and his technical mastery, or Anderson silva and his absolute finnesse, but its hard to pick one. and also from personal experience, stepping into that octagon is the one of the hardest things a man can do, and to win is even harder, but winning and dominating so good that youre in the G.O.A.T convo, thats exceptional in and of itself. But i guess if i did have to pick one it would be between GSP , Khabib and MM, if im being biased id say GSP(and if islam or even pereira continue to dominate their respective divisions maybe them in the future, but mma is a young sport and these guys are just phase 1, we are yet to see better later on)

 

[Dominicoon]

Fedor or Jon Jones

 

[alriodai]

GSP it's clear it's GSP
MIGHTY MOUSE is a second IMO

 

[Dominicoon]

I think Jones is overrated. Almost every big name in his resume he fought was the post prime versions of them not to mention the eye pokes and Failed USADA. Gsp deserves the GOAT title more. 9 title defences, Came back after a 4-year hiatus to win the UFC Middleweight Championship, becoming a two-division champion. Insane fight IQ, good heart and out-wrestled Olympic-level wrestlers like Josh Koscheck and Matt Hughes, ducked no one and defeated all the big names in their primes.

Thoughts on a what if against Aspinall?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Objectively speaking for me this is a hard choice, you cant really pinpoint one fighter out of all the divisions in the 30 years the ufc has been established and say 'yeah this guy is THE ultimate fighter' because although there are some fighters who are head and shoulders above everyone else and stand out, for me personally its hard to pick one because as the saying goes "every flower has a different smell", you could say jon jones because of his overall dominance of the LHW divison and now HW also, plus the fact that he was the youngest champion ever and his tremendous fight i.q which many people overlook, you could say Khabib because of his powerhouse wrestling, mauling of the LW division and his record, GSP for his discipline, mindset and skillset at MW, Mighty Mouse and his technical mastery, or Anderson silva and his absolute finnesse, but its hard to pick one. and also from personal experience, stepping into that octagon is the one of the hardest things a man can do, and to win is even harder, but winning and dominating so good that youre in the G.O.A.T convo, thats exceptional in and of itself. But i guess if i did have to pick one it would be between GSP , Khabib and MM, if im being biased id say GSP(and if islam or even pereira continue to dominate their respective decisions maybe them in the future, but mma is a young sport and these guys are just phase 1, we are yet to see better later on)

Don't forget Fedor too. He absolutely dominated the K1 scene before UFC was even a thing.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Thoughts on a what if against Aspinall?

Aspinall would probably win. He's younger, bigger, stronger. Jones especially struggles against tall fighter with a lot of reach like we saw with reyes. Tom is just that with even more strength, power and skills. Easy win for Tom tbh.

 

[zerotohero]

Alex Pereira is the GOAT right now, no question. Dude came into MMA late, demolished elite competition, and became a double champ in record time.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Alex Pereira is the GOAT right now, no question. Dude came into MMA late, demolished elite competition, and became a double champ in record time.

Not quite imo. He hasn't faced elite level competition just yet. Needs a few more years before he can enter the GOAT conversation

 

[kyrre]

Who cares brather, I wanna just wanna see Dagestani/Russian strikers #Sharabulletniggermedovputin

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Who cares brather, I wanna just wanna see Dagestani/Russian strikers #Sharabulletniggermedovputin

Put ankalaev against pereira

 

[Daddy's Home]

Leaving all the controversies aside and the rigged fights, based on achievements at the end of the day, I would say Jon Jones, because it seems to me that he always know how to always take advantage of the physical advantages he has, and always take the best advantage of the weak sides of his enemies + very smart and very non one dimensional, a complete athlete (even if I think Tom Aspinall is a better objective fighter than him, and if Tom had been in Jon's shoes from the start of his dynasty, I think he would have accomplished a lot more than him at + I think Francis would have beaten Jon if it was to fight with him)

I see Jon Jones as like CR before the knee injuries..

 

[sub5outsider]

i have no idea about mma but its probably black

 

[Dominicoon]

i have no idea about mma but its probably black

You’d be right kinda, Fedor is a goat though.

 

[Yliaster]

Anderson Silva, mostly because im biased

 

[Gargantuan]

GSP

 

[alriodai]

GSP

The only right answer, I'm not even taking in count the people who hate on Jones because of "muh he's a bad person he beat females and do coke"
Jones was on steroids, this automatically disqualify him from any GOAT conversation
Inb4 "but but they're all on roids" it's a cope made by niggas who got caught roiding, anyway if you actually get proven that you used roids, you do not enter any conversation
Also love giga casual retards who be like "haha bro steroids don't do nothing it doesn't change your skills" imagine proving you're giga retarded saying shit like this

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

I think Jones is overrated. Almost every big name in his resume he fought was the post prime versions of them not to mention the eye pokes and Failed USADA. Gsp deserves the GOAT title more. 9 title defences, Came back after a 4-year hiatus to win the UFC Middleweight Championship, becoming a two-division champion. Insane fight IQ, good heart and out-wrestled Olympic-level wrestlers like Josh Koscheck and Matt Hughes, ducked no one and defeated all the big names in their primes.

GSP was likely saucing and greasegate marks him a cheat too. Jones fights dirty, cheats and has 2 split decisions he arguably lost. DJ is the most complete fighter but nobody cares about manlet divisions

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

Alex Pereira is the GOAT right now, no question. Dude came into MMA late, demolished elite competition, and became a double champ in record time.

The fact that he came in dethroned Izzy and turned him into a Hasbeen is crazy. But he’s never really fought a good wrestler

 

[Dominicoon]

GSP was likely saucing and greasegate marks him a cheat too. Jones fights dirty, cheats and has 2 split decisions he arguably lost. DJ is the most complete fighter but nobody cares about manlet divisions

Manlet doesn’t care about fellow manlets

 

[greycel]

You didn't specify P4P or who's the scariest fighter?
Regardless.. only 1 had the true MMA mindset, and 1 came very close to it

At the end of the day, for overall whos the greatest (not P4P) it boils down to perseverance and mental fortitude with HW.
Technicality with lighter weights.
Demetrius Johnson was the one who came very close, but didn't reach it

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

The new gen GOATS are Islam, Ilia, Aspinall and Chimaev. If the continue they’ll leave their mark

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

Manlet doesn’t care about fellow manlets

Because up until Kai they show no KO power

 

[Jason Voorhees]

The new gen GOATS are Islam, Ilia, Aspinall and Chimaev. If the continue they’ll leave their mark

Illia, Aspinall and Islam yes. Chimaev no imo

 

[Jason Voorhees]

GSP was likely saucing and greasegate marks him a cheat too. Jones fights dirty, cheats and has 2 split decisions he arguably lost. DJ is the most complete fighter but nobody cares about manlet divisions

GSP

Imo it's only between him and DJ. DJ is technically better than GSP because like you said he's one of the most complete fighters we have ever seen in thr octagon. He was elite level in almost everything. With a great athleticism and Insane adaptability but he flies under the radar because he fought in the flyweight division which doesn't have the same competition as LHW and MW.

 

[Paul7]

topuria

 

[Jason Voorhees]

topuria

Not yet but potentially could be.

 

[shia.jihadist]

inb4 some nigga says conor mcgregor

 

[longjohnmong]

no one because the sport is stupid and has only been around in its mature form for like 15 years

 

[Jason Voorhees]

inb4 some nigga says conor mcgregor

I mean legacy wise he is probably up there

 

[Jason Voorhees]

no one because the sport is stupid and has only been around in its mature form for like 15 years

Why stupid and I disagree. Ufc became a big thing after that 2005 Forrest griffin fight.

 

[longjohnmong]

Why stupid and I disagree. Ufc became a big thing after that 2005 Forrest griffin fight.

I don't mean a big thing. I mean the nature of the sport. It used to be specialists - "styles make fights." Now being well rounded is a must.

Anyway, the reason I think it's stupid, especially to talk about GOATs. Is that it's too easy to win and fighters don't fight enough, which I'm not saying they should fight more. They can't. But imagine tennis if they only played one set per match, the match was automatically over if someone hit an ace, and they only played two matches a year. That's MMA.

 

[bakpaokukus]

Prime fedor fucking mogs tbh, basically a 6'ft 100kg Demitrious Johnson. He also inspired me to start training Judo in my late high school

 

[TechnoBoss]

 

[Sprinkles]

Why stupid and I disagree. Ufc became a big thing after that 2005 Forrest griffin fight.

it’s literally the same roster of guys fighting each other over and over lmfao.

I only get interested in big name title fights,

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

me if I went Pro

 

[BornToBeArnold]

 

[longjohnmong]

Prime fedor fucking mogs tbh, basically a 6'ft 100kg Demitrious Johnson. He also inspired me to start training Judo in my late high school

This is another reason I think it's stupid. Way too many dudes who are supposedly GOAT, and then go on to literally not be able to win a fight in the course of a year or two because they're supposedly "past their prime." Find me one other sport where that happens. Federer/Nadal/Djokovic have been at the top of tennis for 20 years. Almost no one has been able to touch them. And tennis is extremely athletic too. It's not like bowling or something. Wladimir Klitschko was heavyweight champ for 12 years with 25 title fight wins. Manny Pacquiao was a professional boxer for 26 years and was still winning title fights at the end of his career.

What's actually happening is that some people have a string of good luck, and immediately build up some sort of legendary reputation because of the culture of the sport. It's like generating a random number string and eventually you get 4 of the same number in a row and you're like "holy shit '7' is the GOAT number!" and then that run of 7s abruptly ends and people are like "well, I guess '7' is past his prime." Not saying it's exactly like that as obviously some dudes are better than others and you do have to be at a certain level.

Like at one time Chuck Liddell was supposedly one of the greats because of a 2-year win streak against only 5 opponents. Then within one year he's "past his prime." Too many examples of that happening.

Remember when everyone thought the UFC was a joke and the level of skill in Pride was way higher, and then all the Pride heros with the exception of Anderson Silva (who ironically wasn't that big in Pride at the time) came to the UFC and they all got their ass beat?

 

[albe.ORG]

topuria

to surpass mouse and jones he needs to be retire as an unbeaten double champ

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

Illia, Aspinall and Islam yes. Chimaev no imo

Chimaev just dogwalked Rob, beat usman and burns who were ranked #2. That’s especially impressive considering he beat burns while ranked 11th.

He would have no trouble manhandling most the division and could have been champ at welter If he wanted to. I bet he was told to miss weight for Diaz fight, especially since he “conincidentally” beefed with Holland backstage and everybody was screaming wolf tickets


Literally not a single name here that has anything for chimaevs grappling

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

You’d be right kinda, Fedor is a goat though.

Fedor kept fighting for too long and should’ve come to the UFC earlier, unfortunately as we all know dana is a stingy fuck that doesn’t pay fighters their worth so it never happened. You’re not wrong tho, I’d argue pride had superior fighters and reputation at the time and he defeated some greats

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

to surpass mouse and jones he needs to be retire as an unbeaten double champ

Anyone that’s been caught saucing is automatically out of the GOAT convo imo

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

This is another reason I think it's stupid. Way too many dudes who are supposedly GOAT, and then go on to literally not be able to win a fight in the course of a year or two because they're supposedly "past their prime." Find me one other sport where that happens. Federer/Nadal/Djokovic have been at the top of tennis for 20 years. Almost no one has been able to touch them. And tennis is extremely athletic too. It's not like bowling or something. Wladimir Klitschko was heavyweight champ for 12 years with 25 title fight wins. Manny Pacquiao was a professional boxer for 26 years and was still winning title fights at the end of his career.

What's actually happening is that some people have a string of good luck, and immediately build up some sort of legendary reputation because of the culture of the sport. It's like generating a random number string and eventually you get 4 of the same number in a row and you're like "holy shit '7' is the GOAT number!" and then that run of 7s abruptly ends and people are like "well, I guess '7' is past his prime." Not saying it's exactly like that as obviously some dudes are better than others and you do have to be at a certain level.

Like at one time Chuck Liddell was supposedly one of the greats because of a 2-year win streak against only 5 opponents. Then within one year he's "past his prime." Too many examples of that happening.

Remember when everyone thought the UFC was a joke and the level of skill in Pride was way higher, and then all the Pride heros with the exception of Anderson Silva (who ironically wasn't that big in Pride at the time) came to the UFC and they all got their ass beat?

No, you’re wrong. The chin can only take so many hits, once it’s cracked it’s cracked for good. Overeem, Walker, Fedor, McGregor, Edgar, Lidell, Santos, Volk, garbrandt . They all used to have to granite chins but after they got caught a couple times, never been the same

Also a lot of those “pride heroes” were sauced to the gills during their time in Japan wasn’t so easy to do that in UFC however. On top of that the rules were loose in pride, soccer kicks and stomps are truly a game changer against cuddlers and fags that pull guard


Most pacmans losses are via UD hardly ever been stopped. In mma you get slept

 

[longjohnmong]

No, you’re wrong. The chin can only take so many hits, once it’s cracked it’s cracked for good. Overeem, Walker, Fedor, McGregor, Edgar, Lidell, Santos, Volk, garbrandt . They all used to have to granite chins but after they got caught a couple times, never been the same

Also a lot of those “pride heroes” were sauced to the gills during their time in Japan wasn’t so easy to do that in UFC however. On top of that the rules were loose in pride, soccer kicks and stomps are truly a game changer against cuddlers and fags that pull guard


Most pacmans losses are via UD hardly ever been stopped. In mma you get slept

Bullshit Dana White propaganda. Heavyweight boxers get hit way more, hit harder, knocked out more, and don't suffer from this immediate wash-up syndrome like so many MMA fighters. Check out this dude's record spanning 17 years:

Adílson Rodrigues - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

5 knock outs which appear to have had very little impact on his ability to win fights.

Also, the fact that these dudes only owe their GOAT status to their chin and literally can't win a fight after their chin "cracks" is just more proof that the sport is fucking dumb.

 

[chadhamed]

Connor

 

[albe.ORG]

Anyone that’s been caught saucing is automatically out of the GOAT convo imo

For me too Jones is out already. I'm talking for the public (that currently consider him the goat)