Who Specializes in the Study of Facial Beauty, and who truly understands it?

[Deleted member 20670]

Physicists specialize in the study of physical phenomena, Computer Scientists specialize in the study of computers, but who specializes in the study of facial beauty?

The closest professions that I can think of are cosmetic surgeons and maxillofacial surgeons. Cosmetic surgeons have a superficial understanding of what defines facial beauty and they capitalize off of misleading patients with BDD, who often have a warped sense of facial beauty or are just ignorant of it. Maxillofacial surgeons specialize in fixing functional issues associated with the face. So both are not really experts in recognizing facial beauty. I guess beauty experts already exist, but usually they’re just researchers who specialize in psychology and/or biology.

If there was a study of facial aesthetics, it would have to combine aspects of cephalometry and comparative anatomy. I can imagine that someone who specializes in analyzing facial beauty might make a lot of money from private consultations. But why does this profession not exist already? Maybe because facial beauty is difficult to define? Or maybe not many people want to hear objective interpretations of their face?

I’m very interested in the prospect of quantifying facial beauty myself and helping other people fix issues concerning their attractiveness (realistically). So I’d love to learn this stuff myself, but I don’t even know where to start. I wish I could just buy a textbook about this stuff and read it, but the information is never congregated together like it is in many scientific studies. For example, sociology combines aspects of psychology, politics, economics, and various other things.

 

[Lihito]

dunno i just study sociology so fuck off spergs

 

[softlysoftly]

Or maybe not many people want to hear objective interpretations of their face?

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it's just going to get labeled as colorism and racism even though objectively
in most cases dark skin and wide undefined noses are considered unattractive but that will quickly be thrown away as being politically incorrect and racist its too hard of a pill to be swallowed publicly by the masses

also I must warn you that there are many charlatans in this sphere namely @MakinItHappenReturn and Wheat waffles who will charge you money for arbitrary shit ratings of your face

please don't waste your money or time on them they are certainly not experts in facial beauty

 

[ascension!]

Exactly this was done by @Pinhead if I remember correctly, besides that he handled another type of system when it comes to face rating and he did it at first sight; It's like when you see a person, what do you think of them first? Well, that's exactly what he did and is what needs to be done, not be analyzing for hours and hours to first deduce a number /10 and then change it and end up over/underrating ppl. Besides that, he was one of the only ppl who really knew about attractiveness and beauty and also based it on his experiences. He actually left the forum, and I don't think he cares to know anything about this community.

 

[Prettyboy]

Art students. Now I only do drawing as a hobby , but I am aware people who got proper university level education in arts are very knowledgeable in facial aesthetics

 

[Deleted member 20670]

this
it's just going to get labeled as colorism and racism even though objectively
in most cases dark skin and wide undefined noses are considered unattractive but that will quickly be thrown away as being politically incorrect and racist its too hard of a pill to be swallowed publicly by the masses

also I must warn you that there are many charlatans in this sphere namely @MakinItHappenReturn and Wheat waffles who will charge you money for arbitrary shit ratings of your face

please don't waste your money or time on them they are certainly not experts in facial beauty

I would at least like to think that ethnicity plays no role in beauty. People are attracted to other people with similar phenotypes. And I’ll make sure to keep your last point in mind.

 

[ascension!]

Exactly this was done by @Pinhead if I remember correctly, besides that he handled another type of system when it comes to face rating and he did it at first sight; It's like when you see a person, what do you think of them first? Well, that's exactly what he did and is what needs to be done, not be analyzing for hours and hours to first deduce a number /10 and then change it and end up over/underrating ppl. Besides that, he was one of the only ppl who really knew about attractiveness and beauty and also based it on his experiences. He actually left the forum, and I don't think he cares to know anything about this community.

What I meant:

The truth behind PSL ratings and how they are more often than not out of touch with reality

People have never really been able to rate properly for the most part except for a select few. This negatively affects the collective perception on the forum for what is required. People bias ratings and rate lower OR higher (the need to ascend) when the person they're rating has the same...

looksmax.org

 

[ascension!]

Art students. Now I only do drawing as a hobby , but I am aware people who got proper university level education in arts are very knowledgeable in facial aesthetics

Interesting, never thought of that. I'm a neighbor of the best artist in my country (LOL), what should I ask him? Also, at school I have a professional-arts teacher, he probably knows something.

 

[StrangerDanger]

Video game designers get it

 

[Deleted member 20670]

Exactly this was done by @Pinhead if I remember correctly, besides that he handled another type of system when it comes to face rating and he did it at first sight; It's like when you see a person, what do you think of them first? Well, that's exactly what he did and is what needs to be done, not be analyzing for hours and hours to first deduce a number /10 and then change it and end up over/underrating ppl. Besides that, he was one of the only ppl who really knew about attractiveness and beauty and also based it on his experiences. He actually left the forum, and I don't think he cares to know anything about this community.

Very true. Although much of beauty is subjective, a lot of it’s objective too.

 

[Deleted member 20670]

Video game designers get it
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Art students. Now I only do drawing as a hobby , but I am aware people who got proper university level education in arts are very knowledgeable in facial aesthetics

What sources do these artists rely on? Are there any ways that the beauty of a face can be analyzed mathematically with cephalometric measurements?

 

[Prettyboy]

What sources do these artists rely on? Are there any ways that the beauty of a face can be analyzed mathematically with cephalometric measurements?

It’s very complex. Once again, I’m not a certified artist neither I claim to be one, however I do endulge a lot in their study matter in my free time as a hobby

First of of all, human anatomy, almost to a medical level, we need to know all bone, muscle, ligament and all else in the human body

You have to know lots of history, you need to be familiar with the aesthetical theories of all previous eras (from classical antique throughout baroque to contemporary)

You need to know a lot about society, be knowledgeable about anthropology

Need to read up on philosophy too. The matter of subjectivity is very important

And lastly you need to be well versed in pshychology. You have to understand why the brain sees different faces beatiful and others not

As opposed to this, plastic surgeons are rather medical professionals. They do understand aesthetics but they view things with a practical lens. Model scouts also understand aesthetics but they view things through a money lens, they are only interested in faces they can milk cash from

 

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Video game designers get it
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Yes, the know

 

[zeek]

evolutionary biologists, medical anthropologists, certain psychologists, sociologists, physicians, art students... etc.

 

[Deleted member 22093]

I think it's because most people don't need to hear an in-depth analysis of their face. In the average person's life this just isn't practical. People who are not going through with surgeries are generally capped on how much they can change their face anyway, and the changes they can make don't require deep knowledge of facial aesthetics. Things like losing weight, skincare, changing hair and clothes, etc just don't have a use for this. Things like face ratings are good entertainment value and all, but nobody gets any value out of them since there's only so much you can do without surgery to change your face.

Where it can be applied is when people are looking into surgeries. Then yes, a deep understanding would be very helpful since you can actually change somebody's facial structure and you need to know how to harmonize different features.

 

[mvp2v1]

Physicists specialize in the study of physical phenomena, Computer Scientists specialize in the study of computers, but who specializes in the study of facial beauty?

The closest professions that I can think of are cosmetic surgeons and maxillofacial surgeons. Cosmetic surgeons have a superficial understanding of what defines facial beauty and they capitalize off of misleading patients with BDD, who often have a warped sense of facial beauty or are just ignorant of it. Maxillofacial surgeons specialize in fixing functional issues associated with the face. So both are not really experts in recognizing facial beauty. I guess beauty experts already exist, but usually they’re just researchers who specialize in psychology and/or biology.

If there was a study of facial aesthetics, it would have to combine aspects of cephalometry and comparative anatomy. I can imagine that someone who specializes in analyzing facial beauty might make a lot of money from private consultations. But why does this profession not exist already? Maybe because facial beauty is difficult to define? Or maybe not many people want to hear objective interpretations of their face?

I’m very interested in the prospect of quantifying facial beauty myself and helping other people fix issues concerning their attractiveness (realistically). So I’d love to learn this stuff myself, but I don’t even know where to start. I wish I could just buy a textbook about this stuff and read it, but the information is never congregated together like it is in many scientific studies. For example, sociology combines aspects of psychology, politics, economics, and various other things.

J and Mike Mew are closest imo

 

[reptiles]

Video game designers get it
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Do we have Indian version of these just asking tbqh not Indian looking version of these characters rather characters who look Indian but look very fucking good like with many gooks they use in anime it makes no sense Indians don't do it tbqh I mean the country is poor but it's still rising economically I would expect to see males who look like curry chads.

 

[VisageVotarian]

you don't need a fucking math equation to tell if someone is ugly or not, it is instant, every single human being on earth already has this talent innately. women decide within a nanosecond of seeing you if they are willing to fuck you or not. tastes also vary, none of your autistic measurements matter

go ahead and take the risk of bogdanoving yourself just for the chance to jester for some depthless low IQ slootie who won't care at the end of the day if you don't have fame to go along with it

 

[justgetacutbro]

in most cases dark skin and wide undefined noses are considered unattractive but that will quickly be thrown away as being politically incorrect and racist its too hard of a pill to be swallowed publicly by the masses

Try telling that to my mullatto friends who freaking virtue signal "Muh not everyone is attracted to me bro" or "Muh stop comparing yourself" Like you can't reason with ppl like that smhhh.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

@IckyOoey Facial aesthetics need to be nearly 100% objective to be reduced to a mathematical equation in my opinion, or else whatever you come up with is nearly certainly not going to be sufficiently accurate enough to be deemed reliable.