Why atheism is cope | full debunk of atheism.

Minuskul said:
Lol so unicorn exist bc they cannot not exist
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Dragons exist because I can type them in my keyboard, I don't need any senses just words.
 
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EmperorVon said:
You are like a child, how don’t you understand this? Yes physical is a concept given because of our consciousness, that’s what our brain does, it likes to label things and create concepts to understand the information it’s taking in. Doesn’t mean metaphysics exists and god exists. Metaphysics is just an idea created by the brain.
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yeah your claim doesn't exist as well, it's just an idea lol
 
Minuskul said:
What ?
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fk732 said:
oh yeah so things exist outside of your brain subjective interpretation??? so now theres an objective reality??:lul::lul:
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It’s just a guess based on what I or we’ve seen so far, for all I know maybe everything will truly cease to exist for everyone also. But I’ll never know as everything around me is processed in my brain.
 
EmperorVon said:
What’s wrong, it’s true, you cease to exist which means everything stops because we see everything through our eyes. If your grandparents died everything ceased to exist for them but not you but it will eventually.
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So if humans die everything will cease to exist. Thanks, explains a lot.
 
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Im gonna show you why being an atheist is going against logic, and reason. And why every ' smart ' atheist that try to explain it with - logic and reason, will end up facing a wall.

definitions | contingent : A contingent being is one whose existence is not necessary; it exists but could have not existed. Its essence (what it is) is distinct from its existence (that it is).
necessary : A necessary being is one that must exist by its own nature; its essence and existence are identical. It cannot not exist.


Logics proves God :
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God is what we call ' self sufficient ', or necessary. In him everything is hold unto existence in any instant. Wether its physical or spiritual its grounded in God. this allow us to be able to use reason and logic, for both of those things can only exist in a God.​

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Without God, the universe is just a set of contingent, purely material, and in the physical realm theres no logic nor reason, why? well its not something you can localise, its not in your brain, its not anywhere physically, logical absolute exist universaly indepandently from us. ​

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is 1+1 equal to 3? no its 2. this is called the law of non contradiction ¬(A ∧ ¬A) : In plain terms: something cannot be true and false, in the same way and in the same moment. Do you agree with the law of non contradiction ( wich is a logical absolute ) ? yes -> continue reading​

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no -> if you say " its false " your assuming your statement is non con​

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contradictory in order for it to make any sense, self debunked.​

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the Transcendental argument.​

  1. Logic, reason, and moral absolutes exist.
  2. These are immaterial, universal, invariant, and necessary realities.
  3. Such realities cannot arise from matter, motion, or chance.
  4. Therefore, their existence requires a transcendent, rational source.
  5. This source must be personal, rational, and self-existent. God.
  6. The denial of God presupposes God, because using logic requires the very framework only He grounds.
  7. Therefore, without God, logic, reason, and truth are impossible.
Conclusion, atheism is illogical and irrational.​
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Reason proves God :
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One of the smartest man to ever live, saint Thomas aquinas gave us 5ways to know God using only reason, and we saw before that reason itself presupose God so literraly we dont even need those 5 ways but still great to have. ​
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The Five Ways of St. Thomas Aquinas :​

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1. The Argument from Motion (The Unmoved Mover)​

  • Observation: Everything in motion is moved by something else.
  • Problem: If every mover is moved by another, there would be an infinite regress.
  • Conclusion: There must be a first, unmoved mover that initiates all motion.

2. The Argument from Efficient Cause (The First Cause)​

  • Observation: Everything that exists has a cause.
  • Problem: A chain of causes cannot extend infinitely backward.
  • Conclusion: There must be a first, uncaused cause that brings everything else into existence.

3. The Argument from Contingency (The Necessary Being)​

  • Observation: Many things in the universe are contingent (they could exist or not exist).
  • Problem: If everything were contingent, at some point nothing would have existed.
  • Conclusion: There must exist a necessary being whose existence is not contingent on anything else.

4. The Argument from Degree (Gradation of Perfection)​

  • Observation: Things in the world exist in varying degrees of goodness, truth, nobility, etc.
  • Problem: Degrees imply the existence of a maximum by which all others are measured.
  • Conclusion: There must exist a being that possesses all perfections to the fullest degree.

5. The Teleological Argument (The Argument from Design / Final Cause)​

  • Observation: Non-intelligent things act toward ends and achieve results that are orderly.
  • Problem: Non-intelligent things cannot direct themselves.
  • Conclusion: There must exist an intelligent being that directs all things toward their purpose.


Final conclusion,
Atheism ultimately undermines the very tools it relies on to argue for itself. To deny God is to deny the foundation of existence, the ground of reason, and the source of truth. Logic, morality, and meaning cannot exist as universal, binding realities without a necessary, intelligent being to sustain them. Yet every atheist argument presupposes these things: it uses reason to claim that reason itself has no ultimate basis. Without God, thought becomes arbitrary, truth becomes subjective, and the universe becomes a meaningless flux. To reject the divine is to step outside the framework that makes rational discourse, knowledge, and understanding possible. atheism is self-defeating: it cannot justify itself without appealing to what it denies.
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theRetard said:
yeah your claim doesn't exist as well, it's just an idea lol
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Everything exists in the brain, it processes information, it takes the info given from the eyes and processes it giving you sight which means that it creates what you see which is why people with brain damage or mental illness can see things differently.
 
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EmperorVon said:
Everything exists in the brain, it processes information, it takes the info given from the eyes and processes giving you sight which means that it creates what you see which is why people with brain damage or mental illness can see things differently.
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you don't exist outside of my brain. Shut your pussy up!
 
Napoleon1800 said:
Too long didn’t read, summary
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oh, ok
logical absolutes exist,
logical absolutes implies a God,
rejecting God equal rejecting logics,
atheism is illogical.
 
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Klasik616 said:
So if humans die everything will cease to exist. Thanks.
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Know I mean it ceases to exist for the person obviously everything might go on for other lifeforms. Just for you it stops, other people have died before and everything dead to exist for them, it will be like that for everyone. But we’ll never know what happens after we die as we can’t process what happens after.
 
@Klasik616 @fk732 he is so retarded, ive never seen idiots like this. needs to be studied tbh
 
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EmperorVon said:
Everything exists in the brain, it processes information, it takes the info given from the eyes and processes giving you sight which means that it creates what you see which is why people with brain damage or mental illness can see things differently.
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So the world is not objective and it's created by your mind only, nothing exists outside my body.
 
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theRetard said:
biology doesn't exist outside of your brain
(c) emperor von!
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Let me make this simple everything we know is due to the brain, it processes info form the eyes and ears giving us sight and sound, information from the nerves and more giving us touch and feeling. Theirs are things that exist physically outside the brain but we only know that because it’s processed in the brain, if we didn’t have a brain we wouldn’t have consciousness and you wouldn’t be able to make retarded arguments, so maybe consciousness is a mistake.
 
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theRetard said:
@Klasik616 @fk732 he is so retarded, ive never seen idiots like this. needs to be studied tbh
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He's not retarded, he has learned everything through science and never questioned the foundations of it.
 
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EmperorVon said:
Let me make this simple everything we know is due to the brain, it processes info form the eyes and ears giving us sight and sound, information from the nerves and more giving us touch and feeling. Theirs are things that exist physically outside the brain but we only know that because it’s processed in the brain, if we didn’t have a brain we wouldn’t have consciousness and you wouldn’t be able to make retarded arguments, so maybe consciousness is a mistake.
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shut up, your nerves do not exist outside of my brain lol
 
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EmperorVon said:
Let me make this simple everything we know is due to the brain, it processes info form the eyes and ears giving us sight and sound, information from the nerves and more giving us touch and feeling. Theirs are things that exist physically outside the brain but we only know that because it’s processed in the brain, if we didn’t have a brain we wouldn’t have consciousness and you wouldn’t be able to make retarded arguments, so maybe consciousness is a mistake.
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does your brain know his own existence?
 
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Klasik616 said:
So the world is not objective and it's created by your mind only, nothing exists outside my body.
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Kinda, there’s some objective level but yes if your brain is altered and different you will process and understand things differently. But things do exist outside your body, a tree exists we just process the info from our eyes letting us know it’s there.
 
what does this mean?

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EmperorVon said:
Let me make this simple everything we know is due to the brain, it processes info form the eyes and ears giving us sight and sound, information from the nerves and more giving us touch and feeling. Theirs are things that exist physically outside the brain but we only know that because it’s processed in the brain, if we didn’t have a brain we wouldn’t have consciousness and you wouldn’t be able to make retarded arguments, so maybe consciousness is a mistake.
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Brain needs energy, the brain needs organs. You still need a body and beings outside your body so you can learn them.
 
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Klasik616 said:
Brain needs energy, the brain needs organs. You still need a body and beings outside your body so you can learn them.
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Yes I’m not denying that I never said there was nothing physical outside the body, I’m just bringing up the brain to prove how metaphysics doesn’t exist and how everything is fundamentally a physical reality.
 
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EmperorVon said:
Yes I’m not denying that I never said there was nothing physical outside the body, I’m just bringing up the brain to prove how metaphysics doesn’t exist and how everything is fundamentally a physical reality.
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Can you explain scientific subjects with this definition of reality like math, logic and philosophy? Where do they come from, are their innate ideas or empirical ones.
 
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EmperorVon said:
Yes as it’s talking about it in the thread you fucking retard
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okay now at what point of your life does your brain become aware of his existence? around 3 yrs old, did he exist before that?
 
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Klasik616 said:
Can you explain scientific subjects with this definition of reality like math, logic and philosophy? Where do they come from.
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Math is real but is a concept created from consciousness, there is one of something and there could be more of it, this is very basic math and we came up with the concept to find these things out, logic is of course a concept created by consciousness and philosophy is obvious as it’s just a persons worldview created by men.
 
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fk732 said:
okay now at what point of your life does your brain become aware of his existence? around 3 yrs old, did he exist before that?
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Obviously it existed, not being aware of itself doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, if that was the case most animals wouldn’t exist, you don’t need to be aware of yourself to exist. If your dead body existed you exist somewhat but since your dead your consciousness doesn’t exist.
 
fk732 said:
Im gonna show you why being an atheist is going against logic, and reason. And why every ' smart ' atheist that try to explain it with - logic and reason, will end up facing a wall.

definitions | contingent : A contingent being is one whose existence is not necessary; it exists but could have not existed. Its essence (what it is) is distinct from its existence (that it is).
necessary : A necessary being is one that must exist by its own nature; its essence and existence are identical. It cannot not exist.


Logics proves God :
​
​

​
God is what we call ' self sufficient ', or necessary. In him everything is hold unto existence in any instant. Wether its physical or spiritual its grounded in God. this allow us to be able to use reason and logic, for both of those things can only exist in a God.​

​
Without God, the universe is just a set of contingent, purely material, and in the physical realm theres no logic nor reason, why? well its not something you can localise, its not in your brain, its not anywhere physically, logical absolute exist universaly indepandently from us. ​

​
​

​
is 1+1 equal to 3? no its 2. this is called the law of non contradiction ¬(A ∧ ¬A) : In plain terms: something cannot be true and false, in the same way and in the same moment. Do you agree with the law of non contradiction ( wich is a logical absolute ) ? yes -> continue reading​

​
no -> if you say " its false " your assuming your statement is non con​

​
contradictory in order for it to make any sense, self debunked.​

​
​

​
the Transcendental argument.​

  1. Logic, reason, and moral absolutes exist.
  2. These are immaterial, universal, invariant, and necessary realities.
  3. Such realities cannot arise from matter, motion, or chance.
  4. Therefore, their existence requires a transcendent, rational source.
  5. This source must be personal, rational, and self-existent. God.
  6. The denial of God presupposes God, because using logic requires the very framework only He grounds.
  7. Therefore, without God, logic, reason, and truth are impossible.
Conclusion, atheism is illogical and irrational.​
​

Reason proves God :
​
One of the smartest man to ever live, saint Thomas aquinas gave us 5ways to know God using only reason, and we saw before that reason itself presupose God so literraly we dont even need those 5 ways but still great to have. ​
​

The Five Ways of St. Thomas Aquinas :​

​

1. The Argument from Motion (The Unmoved Mover)​

  • Observation: Everything in motion is moved by something else.
  • Problem: If every mover is moved by another, there would be an infinite regress.
  • Conclusion: There must be a first, unmoved mover that initiates all motion.

2. The Argument from Efficient Cause (The First Cause)​

  • Observation: Everything that exists has a cause.
  • Problem: A chain of causes cannot extend infinitely backward.
  • Conclusion: There must be a first, uncaused cause that brings everything else into existence.

3. The Argument from Contingency (The Necessary Being)​

  • Observation: Many things in the universe are contingent (they could exist or not exist).
  • Problem: If everything were contingent, at some point nothing would have existed.
  • Conclusion: There must exist a necessary being whose existence is not contingent on anything else.

4. The Argument from Degree (Gradation of Perfection)​

  • Observation: Things in the world exist in varying degrees of goodness, truth, nobility, etc.
  • Problem: Degrees imply the existence of a maximum by which all others are measured.
  • Conclusion: There must exist a being that possesses all perfections to the fullest degree.

5. The Teleological Argument (The Argument from Design / Final Cause)​

  • Observation: Non-intelligent things act toward ends and achieve results that are orderly.
  • Problem: Non-intelligent things cannot direct themselves.
  • Conclusion: There must exist an intelligent being that directs all things toward their purpose.


Final conclusion,
Atheism ultimately undermines the very tools it relies on to argue for itself. To deny God is to deny the foundation of existence, the ground of reason, and the source of truth. Logic, morality, and meaning cannot exist as universal, binding realities without a necessary, intelligent being to sustain them. Yet every atheist argument presupposes these things: it uses reason to claim that reason itself has no ultimate basis. Without God, thought becomes arbitrary, truth becomes subjective, and the universe becomes a meaningless flux. To reject the divine is to step outside the framework that makes rational discourse, knowledge, and understanding possible. atheism is self-defeating: it cannot justify itself without appealing to what it denies.
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Thomas aquinas isn’t that good for debunking Gaytheism as it relies on medieval notions to undergird the grounding.

A better one would be the Trancendetal argument for god which is better argument and foolproof as in no atheist can debunk it it’s literally Kyrptonite

Jay dyer is the prodigy in explaining this I advise watching him debate the best atheists in the planet and effortlessly winning using this
 
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PrinceLuenLeoncur said:
Thomas aquinas isn’t that good for debunking Gaytheism as it relies on medieval notions to undergird the grounding.

A better one would be the Trancendetal argument for god which is better argument and foolproof as in no atheist can debunk it it’s literally Kyrptonite

Jay dyer is the prodigy in explaining this I advise watching him debate the best atheists in the planet and effortlessly winning using this
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Jay Dyer believed sharks used to be vegans btw, that Jay Dyer?
 
vulcan_ said:
The 5 arguments by Aquinas were debunked shown in video below


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That’s why I don’t like it myself it’s easily debunked if you know what you’re doing. But you cannot debunk the TAG argument that’s why it should be the only One used at all times
 
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fk732 said:
I iq mog you to the desert of africa 80 iq hell btw, and proved it the last hour
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The only thing you’ve proven is you that have the Abrahamic mind virus
IMG 1885
 
fk732 said:
Im gonna show you why being an atheist is going against logic, and reason. And why every ' smart ' atheist that try to explain it with - logic and reason, will end up facing a wall.

definitions | contingent : A contingent being is one whose existence is not necessary; it exists but could have not existed. Its essence (what it is) is distinct from its existence (that it is).
necessary : A necessary being is one that must exist by its own nature; its essence and existence are identical. It cannot not exist.


Logics proves God :
​
​

​
God is what we call ' self sufficient ', or necessary. In him everything is hold unto existence in any instant. Wether its physical or spiritual its grounded in God. this allow us to be able to use reason and logic, for both of those things can only exist in a God.​

​
Without God, the universe is just a set of contingent, purely material, and in the physical realm theres no logic nor reason, why? well its not something you can localise, its not in your brain, its not anywhere physically, logical absolute exist universaly indepandently from us. ​

​
​

​
is 1+1 equal to 3? no its 2. this is called the law of non contradiction ¬(A ∧ ¬A) : In plain terms: something cannot be true and false, in the same way and in the same moment. Do you agree with the law of non contradiction ( wich is a logical absolute ) ? yes -> continue reading​

​
no -> if you say " its false " your assuming your statement is non con​

​
contradictory in order for it to make any sense, self debunked.​

​
​

​
the Transcendental argument.​

  1. Logic, reason, and moral absolutes exist.
  2. These are immaterial, universal, invariant, and necessary realities.
  3. Such realities cannot arise from matter, motion, or chance.
  4. Therefore, their existence requires a transcendent, rational source.
  5. This source must be personal, rational, and self-existent. God.
  6. The denial of God presupposes God, because using logic requires the very framework only He grounds.
  7. Therefore, without God, logic, reason, and truth are impossible.
Conclusion, atheism is illogical and irrational.​
​

Reason proves God :
​
One of the smartest man to ever live, saint Thomas aquinas gave us 5ways to know God using only reason, and we saw before that reason itself presupose God so literraly we dont even need those 5 ways but still great to have. ​
​

The Five Ways of St. Thomas Aquinas :​

​

1. The Argument from Motion (The Unmoved Mover)​

  • Observation: Everything in motion is moved by something else.
  • Problem: If every mover is moved by another, there would be an infinite regress.
  • Conclusion: There must be a first, unmoved mover that initiates all motion.

2. The Argument from Efficient Cause (The First Cause)​

  • Observation: Everything that exists has a cause.
  • Problem: A chain of causes cannot extend infinitely backward.
  • Conclusion: There must be a first, uncaused cause that brings everything else into existence.

3. The Argument from Contingency (The Necessary Being)​

  • Observation: Many things in the universe are contingent (they could exist or not exist).
  • Problem: If everything were contingent, at some point nothing would have existed.
  • Conclusion: There must exist a necessary being whose existence is not contingent on anything else.

4. The Argument from Degree (Gradation of Perfection)​

  • Observation: Things in the world exist in varying degrees of goodness, truth, nobility, etc.
  • Problem: Degrees imply the existence of a maximum by which all others are measured.
  • Conclusion: There must exist a being that possesses all perfections to the fullest degree.

5. The Teleological Argument (The Argument from Design / Final Cause)​

  • Observation: Non-intelligent things act toward ends and achieve results that are orderly.
  • Problem: Non-intelligent things cannot direct themselves.
  • Conclusion: There must exist an intelligent being that directs all things toward their purpose.


Final conclusion,
Atheism ultimately undermines the very tools it relies on to argue for itself. To deny God is to deny the foundation of existence, the ground of reason, and the source of truth. Logic, morality, and meaning cannot exist as universal, binding realities without a necessary, intelligent being to sustain them. Yet every atheist argument presupposes these things: it uses reason to claim that reason itself has no ultimate basis. Without God, thought becomes arbitrary, truth becomes subjective, and the universe becomes a meaningless flux. To reject the divine is to step outside the framework that makes rational discourse, knowledge, and understanding possible. atheism is self-defeating: it cannot justify itself without appealing to what it denies.
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why would someone waste their time and read this shit written by a retard on an incel forum when minds far greater than ur own have been debating this for millenia without being able to prove his existence
 
PrinceLuenLeoncur said:
Thomas aquinas isn’t that good for debunking Gaytheism as it relies on medieval notions to undergird the grounding.

A better one would be the Trancendetal argument for god which is better argument and foolproof as in no atheist can debunk it it’s literally Kyrptonite

Jay dyer is the prodigy in explaining this I advise watching him debate the best atheists in the planet and effortlessly winning using this
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i used it also bro !!
 
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PrinceLuenLeoncur said:
That’s why I don’t like it myself it’s easily debunked if you know what you’re doing. But you cannot debunk the TAG argument that’s why it should be the only One used at all times
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Oh no not the TAG ARGUMENT!
Atheists:
Nervous Shiver GIF

 
chocolate milk said:
why would someone waste their time and read this shit written by a retard on an incel forum when minds far greater than ur own have been debating this for millenia without being able to prove his existence
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because dumbass like you cant comprehend the past 2000 year of debate so i simplify
 
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im gonna sleep its late here God bless everyone on this thread love ya and thanks for trending
 
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PrinceLuenLeoncur said:
That’s why I don’t like it myself it’s easily debunked if you know what you’re doing. But you cannot debunk the TAG argument that’s why it should be the only One used at all times
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ontological argument
 
fk732 said:
im gonna sleep its late here God bless everyone on this thread love ya and thanks for trending
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Yes go to sleep while I fuck your mom
Season 9 Lol GIF by The Office
 
fk732 said:
because dumbass like you cant comprehend the past 2000 year of debate so i simplify
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keep coping with your fairy tale and die. Imagine being blackpilled and still believe in a fair and righteous God, you have to be severely mentally ill. Either God is Evil or doesn't exist and in neither case he is worthy of my Worship.
 
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