Why DHT is fucking useless and should be NUKED TO THE GROUND

[appeal]

Yes I realised after that this is it, it probably won’t raise that much if you’re natty. But exogenous testosterone will probs throw things off

Because my E2 is high already as a natty with low DHT, I’m like 90% sure it’ll skyrocket when I hop on

By hop on, not sure if you meant on Duta or on roids. IF you think you will have problems, maybe try fin first, yes it wont supress DHT as much but maybe you'll get a gauge of how you react to 5AR inhibitors. I'd maybe recommend this over Duta to start since Fin only has a half life of 5-8 hours over Dutas 4-5 week half life. That being said, Fin wont provide nearly as much suppression to DHT as Duta, and honestly you would probably be fine on Duta.

On roids is just about understanding your body and how you react to test ect. A bit of trail and error goes into it tbh, to get your E in check.

I’ve lifted natty for 4 years now

Looking for changes in my mindset / psychology. But also not being a framecel, bone changes (if any, have you noticed any changes?) and pure hedonism i.e. wanting to be at my best in my early 20s

Obvs won’t be the holy grail but I’ll see if its worth it

I'm new to roiding, so no not experienced any facial changes since i have just started my first blast cycle, but have done extensive research on it. IDK if you would get face changes, depends on age, but the use of Duta or FIn shouldn't effect wether you do or not. It will certainly improve mindset.

 

[appeal]

Good thread OP.
Low DHT levels and high T levels absolutely mog,
please tag me in your future threads.

i noticed that too, nearly all my white friends have problems with MPB (age 20-22)
my turkish friends have perfect hairlines and extreme thick hair

I should have been born ethnic

estrogen levels can rise when you block dht, just get an ai

Thank you.

Will do! Ethnics have 10/10 hairline, but comes with the price of being, well, ethnic.

 

[appeal]

Yeah, I get high E2 sides like itchy nips as a natural. So brutal

And I’ve actually tried AI monotherapy: hopping on Arimidex as a natty to block E2 with the goal of raising test and DHT

https://looksmax.org/threads/results-from-8-weeks-on-arimidex.1185186/ -> didn’t work

And ofc I’m already lean. Besides I just think its part of ascending

Lean is law. Only thing I can think of is your diet. A crap diet increases E.

IMO, Duta, Roids, AI is a mogger stack is you want to ascend.

 

[appeal]

Well I cnt speak for DHT specifically but I can say using the strong androgens in high doses (tren and anadrol) gave me most facial changes. I looked pretty diff to my twin bro after couple years test but when I did that huge blast it was like a second puberty. I feel like we wwont ever have allot of data on this to come to a conclusion (on dht effect on face tht is).

Can I ask what facial changes occurred?

 

[lestoa]

the dht crew slowly enters the thread
@Jonas2k7

 

[appeal]

BRB going GYM

 

[here]

Yeah, I get high E2 sides like itchy nips as a natural. So brutal

And I’ve actually tried AI monotherapy: hopping on Arimidex as a natty to block E2 with the goal of raising test and DHT

https://looksmax.org/threads/results-from-8-weeks-on-arimidex.1185186/ -> didn’t work

And ofc I’m already lean. Besides I just think its part of ascending

Damn bro that sucks. I notice your prolactin is also on the higher end of the reference range which I believe could also be contributing to your symptoms. have u tried supplementing p5p at all?

 

[appeal]

the dht crew is slowly enters the thread
@Jonas2k7

There is literally no compelling evidence to show that DHT has any noticeable benefits to anything apart from your dick. I'm not sure where this misconception came from.

 

[lestoa]

BRB going GYM

same, wanted to go now too

 

[TitusA]

Can I ask what facial changes occurred?

Thickening/development of the brow ridge, cheekbones and jaw. In terms of chin I don't think it made a difference.

 

[appeal]

Thickening/development of the brow ridge, cheekbones and jaw. In terms of chin I don't think it made a difference.

Did these all occur from that one blast you did?

 

[Ychassa]

Why you should be actively nuking DHT to the absolute fucking ground.
Everyone talks about, needing DHT for bone mass, and says DHT is what causes bone growth of the chin and brow ridge and frame for example. or increase height etc. This is complete fucking bro science, a complete myth. Testosterone is the only androgen that induces bone growth.

The Study

5-Alpha-Reductase Deficiency - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

What the studies of 5AR inhibition show is that people that are deficient in 5AR (people who have practically 0 DHT) have normal heights compared to their normal siblings (who produce DHT), and their bone mineral density is the same as any normal person.

View attachment 3390643

Left and middle (5ARD), right (normal). As you can see, their skeletal and muscle mass is not affected by DHT at all.

What does DHT effect then?
All DHT affects beard, penis, skin and hair follicles.

So, stop the DHT cope ASAP.
So stop the DHT cope, even with supraphysiological amounts of DHT, it won't induce facial bone growth to a comparable extent as testosterone.
You could have taken 2.5mg of Dutasteride since you were bone, and you would have ended up looking the exact same as you do right now, some would have looked better, since you complete retards left it too late since they wanted a better frame, or chin or something all while your hair is being actively raped. Any change you would have gotten to anything you thought DHT was going to do, was done by Testosterone.

After puberty DHT will make you look like The Rock or Jason Statham. But probably less muscular and less good looking... A lot less. So if your not hopping on at least Duta 0.5mg a day, you’re actively looksmining yourself.

DHT copers are complete brainless retards, who would rather lose their hair and skin for muh bones that was caused by Testosterone anyway, what complete fucking jesters.

TLDR: These fucking pills right here will save your fucking life, you'll keep your hair (hair is life), you'll keep your youthful skin, without inhibiting any sort of bone growth.

Spoiler

View attachment 3390659

@Clavicular @Dyorotic

if ur dick and vocal cord is developed, then you should def hop on

 

[TitusA]

Did these all occur from that one blast you did?

Well I was doing test 300mg-600mg for years before and I looked diff after tht. I literally didnt go below 250mg test for years (wouldnt recommend it but thats wht I did) but that heavy blast rly caused more drastic changes. Frankly my dose was too high though nobody should be running 700mg tren I would recommend about 150mg or so.

 

[appeal]

if ur dick and vocal cord is developed, then you should def hop on

Vocals are also determined by test
Selective biological functions of testosterone versus DHT in male puberty[11][12]

Testosterone	DHT
Spermatogenesis and fertility	Prostate enlargement and prostate cancer risk
Male musculoskeletal development	Facial, axillary, pubic, and body hair growth
Voice deepening	Scalp temporal recession and pattern hair loss
Increased sebum production and acne
Increased sex drive and erections

 

[appeal]

Well I was doing test 300mg-600mg for years before and I looked diff after tht. I literally didnt go below 250mg test for years (wouldnt recommend it but thats wht I did) but that heavy blast rly caused more drastic changes. Frankly my dose was too high though nobody should be running 700mg tren I would recommend about 150mg or so.

Genuine question, would you say that it has made you look more ogre? I look at Confused bloivian before he started roiding, and IMO, he descended hard.

And also, I'm inclined to believe those changes would have occurred wither you used 5AR inhibitor or not, then again, since you have good hair genetics, it wasn't needed.

 

[TitusA]

Genuine question, would you say that it has made you look more ogre? I look at Confused Bolivian before he started roiding, and IMO, he descended hard.

And also, I'm inclined to believe those changes would have occurred wither you used 5AR inhibitor or not, then again, since you have good hair genetics, it wasn't needed.

Yh ofc . Im happy with the changes though I think me only doing one huge blast, keeping my hair and skin quality and also not using hgh (the high dose hgh makes every1 fugly) has meant it worked out well for me. I much prefer the way my face looks compared to my twin (identical twin) brother who didn't use any.

At the end of the day I guess anybody who tries to get facial changes with steroids is rolling the dice though. It could ascend u or u could go too ogre. If I was to recommend somebody I would say just do test and then if u think u have decent hair genetics low dose tren or anadrol cycle. Never touch hgh unless its low dose for injury purposes and dont get too excessive with ur aas doses. Then after maintain wht u got on trt with a 5ar for anti aging purposes.

 

[appeal]

Yh ofc . Im happy with the changes though I think me only doing one huge blast, keeping my hair and skin quality and also not using hgh (the high dose hgh makes every1 fugly) has meant it worked out well for me. I much prefer the way my face looks compared to my twin (identical twin) brother who didn't use any.

any chance you could pm the difference it would be extremely interesting to see. DW if not, i can understand someone not watching their fave anywhere on this shit hole, tho i won’t spread anywhere.

At the end of the day I guess anybody who tries to get facial changes with steroids is rolling the dice though. It could ascend u or u could go too ogre. If I was to recommend somebody I would say just do test and then if u think u have decent hair genetics low dose tren or anadrol cycle. Never touch hgh unless its low dose for injury purposes and dont get too excessive with ur aas doses. Then after maintain wht u got on trt with a 5ar for anti aging purposes.

i think roiding should be done for the body and frame mostly. A maybe welcome side would be more bones, but these can be also achieved through surgery, like me, i only want a slightly taller chin, im very satisfied with zygos and jaw im sure would improve regardless since its effected by masseter a lot which will grow.

Spoiler

so for me, roiding for frame and muscle while improving jaw also, along with chin implant or geino possibly if i really want. chin is generally the easiest to surgery max so i see no reason to risk my hair for it when it may not even improve. (i have no desire for better brow ridge either, better jaw is welcome but as i mentioned above it should improve regardless)
what do you think? (esp regarding jaw change)

 

[Bewusst]

What does DHT effect then?
All DHT affects beard, penis, skin and hair follicles.

So you’re implying none of these things matter? And you’re wrong, DHT has numerous effects on other aspects such as cognitive function, mood and the immune system.

 

[appeal]

So you’re implying none of these things matter? And you’re wrong, DHT has numerous effects on other aspects such as cognitive function, mood and the immune system.

i’m talking physical effects.

beard, i don’t care for, i can grow a full one already, use minox if you really want one but imo is a looksmin unless frauding.

penis, done by 18, you are tanner 5 most likely at 18.

skin and hair follicles, dht only rapes both.

 

[soler838383]

Take it when your tanner stage 5, and at 18 i'm 99.9999% sure you are already.

Can I use it at stage 3

 

[appeal]

Can I use it at stage 3

no WTF wait till stage 5 nigga

 

[p0lishsubhuman]

im early 20s, have a naturally high hairline that I monitor regulary (take pictures of it) and havent noticed any recession yet

would 0.25 mg fin daily be a good starting point for me?

and what does ai mean

 

[appeal]

im early 20s, have a naturally high hairline that I monitor regulary (take pictures of it) and havent noticed any recession yet

would 0.25 mg fin daily be a good starting point for me?

and what does ai mean

if your in your 20s you should be actively nuking dht. should have been consumed 2 years ago imo. save your elastin and hair bro.

i’d go for duta, dht provides you 0 benefits if your dicks already developed. if you lost hair, you may even get some regrowth.

ai is aromatase inhibitors. unless you roids, don’t worry. essentially lowers estrogen.

 

[Fusionxz]

Yh ofc . Im happy with the changes though I think me only doing one huge blast, keeping my hair and skin quality and also not using hgh (the high dose hgh makes every1 fugly) has meant it worked out well for me. I much prefer the way my face looks compared to my twin (identical twin) brother who didn't use any.

At the end of the day I guess anybody who tries to get facial changes with steroids is rolling the dice though. It could ascend u or u could go too ogre. If I was to recommend somebody I would say just do test and then if u think u have decent hair genetics low dose tren or anadrol cycle. Never touch hgh unless its low dose for injury purposes and dont get too excessive with ur aas doses. Then after maintain wht u got on trt with a 5ar for anti aging purposes.

how get tall if no hgh

 

[appeal]

how get tall if no hgh

hgh won’t make you tall, your genetics do.

 

[Fusionxz]

hgh won’t make you tall, your genetics do.

 

[halloweed]

Why you should be actively nuking DHT to the absolute fucking ground.
Everyone talks about, needing DHT for bone mass, and says DHT is what causes bone growth of the chin and brow ridge and frame for example. or increase height etc. This is complete fucking bro science, a complete myth. Testosterone is the only androgen that induces bone growth.

The Study

5-Alpha-Reductase Deficiency - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

What the studies of 5AR inhibition show is that people that are deficient in 5AR (people who have practically 0 DHT) have normal heights compared to their normal siblings (who produce DHT), and their bone mineral density is the same as any normal person.

View attachment 3390643

Left and middle (5ARD), right (normal). As you can see, their skeletal and muscle mass is not affected by DHT at all.

What does DHT effect then?
All DHT affects beard, penis, skin and hair follicles.

So, stop the DHT cope ASAP.
So stop the DHT cope, even with supraphysiological amounts of DHT, it won't induce facial bone growth to a comparable extent as testosterone.
You could have taken 2.5mg of Dutasteride since you were bone, and you would have ended up looking the exact same as you do right now, some would have looked better, since you complete retards left it too late since they wanted a better frame, or chin or something all while your hair is being actively raped. Any change you would have gotten to anything you thought DHT was going to do, was done by Testosterone.

After puberty DHT will make you look like The Rock or Jason Statham. But probably less muscular and less good looking... A lot less. So if your not hopping on at least Duta 0.5mg a day, you’re actively looksmining yourself.

DHT copers are complete brainless retards, who would rather lose their hair and skin for muh bones that was caused by Testosterone anyway, what complete fucking jesters.

TLDR: These fucking pills right here will save your fucking life, you'll keep your hair (hair is life), you'll keep your youthful skin, without inhibiting any sort of bone growth.

Spoiler

View attachment 3390659

@Clavicular @Dyorotic

Thank god I’m still in puberty

 

[appeal]

Thank god I’m still in puberty

why jfl?

 

[halloweed]

why jfl?

My AR are still so responsive so I don’t need to nuke that

 

[Crisick]

what age should you start taking dut?
I'm still in puberty around tanner stage 4 and I wanna be packing

 

[appeal]

what age should you start taking dut?
I'm still in puberty around tanner stage 4 and I wanna be packing

when u get to tanner 5.
99.999% of people are there at 18

 

[DR. NICKGA]

But the question becomes, what happens to E2? When you block DHT, extra test is converted into estrogen

So surely you’ll need to be on some AI (could work if natty, tried it) in order to prevent E2 raising significantly, especially if you’re a high aromatiser

This is my no 1 question before I start roiding
@DR. NICKGA @lestoa

The increase from estrogen that is happening if you use 5ar inhibititors is pretty small, you are not gonna notice a difference

Buut if you use other steriods with it together, DEPENDING on the steriod use a AI

 

[DR. NICKGA]

Does DHT actually inhibit aromatase?

I've been seeing a lot of people saying that it inhibits aromatase activity but I've seen no evidence of it being the case, the only thing I'm sure of is that it doesnt convert to estrogen, unlike testosterone. But does it really inhibit it? Looking for real answers (can't find any)

looksmax.org

 

[DR. NICKGA]

Nah, but fr. I have literally no visible signs of hairloss whatsoever and also got a beard to maintain. So Fin should be enough to completely stop the process while still keep some dht for my facialhair

You only need dht to develop the follicles (on you beard region), not maintaining it

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

You only need dht to develop the follicles (on you beard region), not maintaining it

My beard isnt fully terminal yet. So a big part is gonna fall out.

 

[20/04/2008]

Dimorphism in general boyos

Why you should be actively nuking DHT to the absolute fucking ground.
Everyone talks about, needing DHT for bone mass, and says DHT is what causes bone growth of the chin and brow ridge and frame for example. or increase height etc. This is complete fucking bro science, a complete myth. Testosterone is the only androgen that induces bone growth.

The Study

5-Alpha-Reductase Deficiency - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

What the studies of 5AR inhibition show is that people that are deficient in 5AR (people who have practically 0 DHT) have normal heights compared to their normal siblings (who produce DHT), and their bone mineral density is the same as any normal person.

View attachment 3390643

Left and middle (5ARD), right (normal). As you can see, their skeletal and muscle mass is not affected by DHT at all.

What does DHT effect then?
All DHT affects beard, penis, skin and hair follicles.

So, stop the DHT cope ASAP.
So stop the DHT cope, even with supraphysiological amounts of DHT, it won't induce facial bone growth to a comparable extent as testosterone.
You could have taken 2.5mg of Dutasteride since you were bone, and you would have ended up looking the exact same as you do right now, some would have looked better, since you complete retards left it too late since they wanted a better frame, or chin or something all while your hair is being actively raped. Any change you would have gotten to anything you thought DHT was going to do, was done by Testosterone.

After puberty DHT will make you look like The Rock or Jason Statham. But probably less muscular and less good looking... A lot less. So if your not hopping on at least Duta 0.5mg a day, you’re actively looksmining yourself.

DHT copers are complete brainless retards, who would rather lose their hair and skin for muh bones that was caused by Testosterone anyway, what complete fucking jesters.

TLDR: These fucking pills right here will save your fucking life, you'll keep your hair (hair is life), you'll keep your youthful skin, without inhibiting any sort of bone growth.

Spoiler

View attachment 3390659

@Clavicular @Dyorotic[/U
[/QUOTE]

 

[20/04/2008]

Like bro think about it
Lets say you produce 5 mg of testosterone daily
Which is 35 mg (which is like 400-500 ng/dl) and you have 10% conversion of dht thats 3.5 mg a week we know dht has like lets 5 more affinity than test so 3.5 mg of dht would equal 17.5 mg of testosterone (so you’ll need 52.5 mg of bioavailable testosterone who would be like 125-150 mg of testosterone enanthate if you remove the ester)
So for you to pull that off completetely you’ll need to use fin (cause dut would crush allopregnolone which is impossible to get exogenously)
You’ll need to supplement with Dhea and pregnolone
Youll need an ai
And youll need an aldoesterone inhibitor (preferably spironolactone so you avoid water retention remember dht is dry test is not and to avoid other side effects)
You’ll also need an ai cause now that you have low dht its dht party)

Why you should be actively nuking DHT to the absolute fucking ground.
Everyone talks about, needing DHT for bone mass, and says DHT is what causes bone growth of the chin and brow ridge and frame for example. or increase height etc. This is complete fucking bro science, a complete myth. Testosterone is the only androgen that induces bone growth.

The Study

5-Alpha-Reductase Deficiency - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

What the studies of 5AR inhibition show is that people that are deficient in 5AR (people who have practically 0 DHT) have normal heights compared to their normal siblings (who produce DHT), and their bone mineral density is the same as any normal person.

View attachment 3390643

Left and middle (5ARD), right (normal). As you can see, their skeletal and muscle mass is not affected by DHT at all.

What does DHT effect then?
All DHT affects beard, penis, skin and hair follicles.

So, stop the DHT cope ASAP.
So stop the DHT cope, even with supraphysiological amounts of DHT, it won't induce facial bone growth to a comparable extent as testosterone.
You could have taken 2.5mg of Dutasteride since you were bone, and you would have ended up looking the exact same as you do right now, some would have looked better, since you complete retards left it too late since they wanted a better frame, or chin or something all while your hair is being actively raped. Any change you would have gotten to anything you thought DHT was going to do, was done by Testosterone.

After puberty DHT will make you look like The Rock or Jason Statham. But probably less muscular and less good looking... A lot less. So if your not hopping on at least Duta 0.5mg a day, you’re actively looksmining yourself.

DHT copers are complete brainless retards, who would rather lose their hair and skin for muh bones that was caused by Testosterone anyway, what complete fucking jesters.

TLDR: These fucking pills right here will save your fucking life, you'll keep your hair (hair is life), you'll keep your youthful skin, without inhibiting any sort of bone growth.

Spoiler

View attachment 3390659

@Clavicular @Dyorotic

 

[TitusA]

any chance you could pm the difference it would be extremely interesting to see. DW if not, i can understand someone not watching their fave anywhere on this shit hole, tho i won’t spread anywhere.


i think roiding should be done for the body and frame mostly. A maybe welcome side would be more bones, but these can be also achieved through surgery, like me, i only want a slightly taller chin, im very satisfied with zygos and jaw im sure would improve regardless since its effected by masseter a lot which will grow.

Spoiler

View attachment 3390848

so for me, roiding for frame and muscle while improving jaw also, along with chin implant or geino possibly if i really want. chin is generally the easiest to surgery max so i see no reason to risk my hair for it when it may not even improve. (i have no desire for better brow ridge either, better jaw is welcome but as i mentioned above it should improve regardless)
what do you think? (esp regarding jaw change)

Nah sry I wont ever upload pics on here. TBH I put too much information about myself on here as it is nvm pics aswell. Yeah I get u one thing thats overlooked though is when u build a good base of muscle when young u maintain it very easily just doing minimum later. The people who get to middle age and struggle with fat gain from my observation are usually those who werent holding much muscle.

 

[TitusA]

My beard isnt fully terminal yet. So a big part is gonna fall out.

My facial hair continued to develop/get thicker since starting dut and it still grows full thickness. Only area I lost some body hair is on my legs/arms so u might still grow facial hair regardless.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

My facial hair continued to develop/get thicker since starting dut and it still grows full thickness. Only area I lost some body hair is on my legs/arms so u might still grow facial hair regardless.

Wow, mirin

 

[p0lishsubhuman]

if your in your 20s you should be actively nuking dht. should have been consumed 2 years ago imo. save your elastin and hair bro.

i’d go for duta, dht provides you 0 benefits if your dicks already developed. if you lost hair, you may even get some regrowth.

ai is aromatase inhibitors. unless you roids, don’t worry. essentially lowers estrogen.

what's elastin's role in skin? I assume it's different than collagen

so fin/duta saves elastin but doesn’t save collagen?

 

[appeal]

Nah sry I wont ever upload pics on here. TBH I put too much information about myself on here as it is nvm pics aswell. Yeah I get u one thing thats overlooked though is when u build a good base of muscle when young u maintain it very easily just doing minimum later. The people who get to middle age and struggle with fat gain from my observation are usually those who werent holding much muscle.

what age did you run your tren cycle?

 

[TitusA]

what age did you run your tren cycle?

22 and finished it just before i turned 23.

 

[appeal]

22 and finished it just before i turned 23.

damn tren is androgenic asf then to cause such major changes to your face. did your face change from rousing till that point? was it only test you ran till then?

 

[TitusA]

damn tren is androgenic asf then to cause such major changes to your face. did your face change from rousing till that point? was it only test you ran till then?

wht u mean roousing? i dnt understand. I was also using anadrol with the tren which is also very androgenic so it was two of the most androgenic steroids in high doses. Yeah just test before then with a bit of superdrol every now and then.

 

[appeal]

wht u mean roousing? i dnt understand. I was also using anadrol with the tren which is also very androgenic so it was two of the most androgenic steroids in high doses. Yeah just test before then with a bit of superdrol every now and then.

mb auto correct. did your fave change from your roiding prior to your tren usage?

 

[TitusA]

mb auto correct. did your fave change from your roiding prior to your tren usage?

Id guess so yh but like I said I think higher test doses or stronger androgens (basically just more heavy exposure to androgenic hormones) will cause more changes. I really wish I took pictures to document the changes now but at the time roid use for facial changes was barely even a topic of discussion on the message boards. When I started using them it was just when ppl in the fitness industry where first talking openly on youtube about use. Other thn tht u had to rely on roid info from bbing forums.

 

[halloweed]

mb auto correct. did your fave change from your roiding prior to your tren usage?

Bro you argue against DHT but tren will absolutely nuke your hair follicles more than you would if you were on DHT lol.

 

[appeal]

Bro you argue against DHT but tren will absolutely nuke your hair follicles more than you would if you were on DHT lol.

go on ru.
my point isn’t even about protecting hair with dht, yes nuking dht after 18 will save your hair but people here are coping with frame growth till 25 years old, when it’s not even based on dht.

if you are puberty maxing, increasing dht is pointless since there are much more androgenic compound available. that mog dht. increasing dht will rape hair more, adding androgenic compounds also will, pick your poison.

 

[halloweed]

go on ru.

Tren is so potent so it has an extremely high binding affinity even @Clavicular couldn’t cope with the brutal hair loss he got in the meantime.

my point isn’t even about protecting hair with dht, yes nuking dht after 18 will save your hair but people here are coping with frame growth till 25 years old, when it’s not even based on dht.

Alr

if you are puberty maxing, increasing dht is pointless since there are much more androgenic compound available. that mog dht. increasing dht will rape hair more, adding androgenic compounds also.

Their risks are much more than DHT. The androgenic compounds you have in mind will rape their follicles even more than DHT nigga u don’t make sense