Why DHT is fucking useless and should be NUKED TO THE GROUND

[Bitchwhipper2]

Use both so you get milkies

Got nothing yet

 

[appeal]

It does nigger
Study doesnt show their weight
The guy in the middle clearly have stronger bones and more bone density
Enjoy twink bones tbh

JFL, i'm laughing too hard RN, you RETARD. The middle which you said clearly has better bones and more bone density, is 5AR DEFICIENT HAHAHAHAHAHAH fucking JFL at your fucking room temperature IQ.

Some fucking argument you got there lil nigga.

 

[appeal]

JFL, i'm laughing too hard RN, you RETARD. The middle which you said clearly has better bones and more bone density, is 5AR DEFICIENT HAHAHAHAHAHAH fucking JFL at your fucking room temperature IQ.

Some fucking argument you got there lil nigga.

@iblamemandible7 IG you should start popping some Duta since @craven here has single handily shown us how fucking useless DHT is, and that he fell for the meme.

 

[iblamemandible7]

@iblamemandible7 IG you should start popping some Duta since @craven here has single handily shown us how fucking useless DHT is, and that he fell for the meme.

Niggas definitely trying to reduce competition out here jfl ordering fin from india rn

 

[appeal]

Niggas definitely trying to reduce competition out here jfl ordering fin from india rn

Mirin, you'll still have some DHT with Fin, Duta is the only think that will give you DHT levels of a literal female.

 

[bttb]

Is blocking dht the move if im getting norwood 2 at 17 years old? Im happy with how big my dick is and itll be useless if i go bald jfl

Get on fin bro, even if u weren’t happy with ur dick, after 17 it won’t change, now the only thing dht is doing for u is raping ur hairline and possibly giving u acne

 

[craven]

Yeah nuke DHT NIGGER
Smart move
Especially at 17 go for it NIGGER

 

[craven]

Get on fin bro, even if u weren’t happy with ur dick, after 17 it won’t change, now the only thing dht is doing for u is raping ur hairline and possibly giving u acne

Lol instead of blocking it blast androgens for big cock RETARDS

 

[appeal]

Yeah nuke DHT NIGGER
Smart move
Especially at 17 go for it NIGGER

Wont effect anything apart from possibly his dick, as u have shown.

 

[bttb]

Lol instead of blocking it blast androgens for big cock RETARDS

Put it on ur mothers life ur not a Norwood 10 behind the screen trying to take others down with you

 

[appeal]

Put it on ur mothers life ur not a Norwood 10 behind the screen trying to take others down with you

he is also 17 iirc. so he is gullible and falls for the jewish memes very easily

 

[craven]

Put it on ur mothers life ur not a Norwood 10 behind the screen trying to take others down with you

he is also 17 iirc. so he is gullible and falls for the jewish memes very easily

I am norwood 0 but keep taking the pill that will turn you gay like barett while i will be an androgenic mogger

 

[appeal]

I am norwood 0 but keep taking the pill that will turn you gay like barett while i will be an androgenic mogger

Bro your too funny. Nigga doesn't even realise norwood 0 doesn't even exist JFL.

 

[arabcelxxx]

Why you should be actively nuking DHT to the absolute fucking ground.
Everyone talks about, needing DHT for bone mass, and says DHT is what causes bone growth of the chin and brow ridge and frame for example. or increase height etc. This is complete fucking bro science, a complete myth. Testosterone is the only androgen that induces bone growth.

The Study

5-Alpha-Reductase Deficiency - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

What the studies of 5AR inhibition show is that people that are deficient in 5AR (people who have practically 0 DHT) have normal heights compared to their normal siblings (who produce DHT), and their bone mineral density is the same as any normal person.

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Left and middle (5ARD), right (normal). As you can see, their skeletal and muscle mass is not affected by DHT at all.

What does DHT effect then?
All DHT affects beard, penis, skin and hair follicles.

So, stop the DHT cope ASAP.
So stop the DHT cope, even with supraphysiological amounts of DHT, it won't induce facial bone growth to a comparable extent as testosterone.
You could have taken 2.5mg of Dutasteride since you were bone, and you would have ended up looking the exact same as you do right now, some would have looked better, since you complete retards left it too late since they wanted a better frame, or chin or something all while your hair is being actively raped. Any change you would have gotten to anything you thought DHT was going to do, was done by Testosterone.

After puberty DHT will make you look like The Rock or Jason Statham. But probably less muscular and less good looking... A lot less. So if your not hopping on at least Duta 0.5mg a day, you’re actively looksmining yourself.

DHT copers are complete brainless retards, who would rather lose their hair and skin for muh bones that was caused by Testosterone anyway, what complete fucking jesters.

TLDR: These fucking pills right here will save your fucking life, you'll keep your hair (hair is life), you'll keep your youthful skin, without inhibiting any sort of bone growth.

Spoiler

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@Clavicular @Dyorotic

I cant get it in my cucked country so i just cope with astaxanthin, but why 2.5 everyday Tho its not much better than .5 (96 vs 91% suppression) and 3x a week has similar results to every day

 

[craven]

Bro your too funny. Nigga doesn't even realise norwood 0 doesn't even exist JFL.

Idc nigger i have thick hair and 0 temple recession
Enjoy the gay pills

 

[appeal]

I cant get it in my cucked country so i just cope with astaxanthin, but why 2.5 everyday Tho its not much better than .5 (96 vs 91% suppression) and 3x a week has similar results to every day

Serum DHT yes. 96 vs 91 is correct, but for scalp DHT 0.5mg only gives 51% and 2.5% gives 80% suppression. So if you can afford it, there are only benefits to your scalp. If you dont have sides from 0.5mg (u wont) there is no reason not to go to 2.5mg since the serum levels are still essentially the same (5% decrease) but scalp benefits can be major.

 

[bp3nthusiast]

Why you should be actively nuking DHT to the absolute fucking ground.
Everyone talks about, needing DHT for bone mass, and says DHT is what causes bone growth of the chin and brow ridge and frame for example. or increase height etc. This is complete fucking bro science, a complete myth. Testosterone is the only androgen that induces bone growth.

The Study

5-Alpha-Reductase Deficiency - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

What the studies of 5AR inhibition show is that people that are deficient in 5AR (people who have practically 0 DHT) have normal heights compared to their normal siblings (who produce DHT), and their bone mineral density is the same as any normal person.

View attachment 3390643

Left and middle (5ARD), right (normal). As you can see, their skeletal and muscle mass is not affected by DHT at all.

What does DHT effect then?
All DHT affects beard, penis, skin and hair follicles.

So, stop the DHT cope ASAP.
So stop the DHT cope, even with supraphysiological amounts of DHT, it won't induce facial bone growth to a comparable extent as testosterone.
You could have taken 2.5mg of Dutasteride since you were bone, and you would have ended up looking the exact same as you do right now, some would have looked better, since you complete retards left it too late since they wanted a better frame, or chin or something all while your hair is being actively raped. Any change you would have gotten to anything you thought DHT was going to do, was done by Testosterone.

After puberty DHT will make you look like The Rock or Jason Statham. But probably less muscular and less good looking... A lot less. So if your not hopping on at least Duta 0.5mg a day, you’re actively looksmining yourself.

DHT copers are complete brainless retards, who would rather lose their hair and skin for muh bones that was caused by Testosterone anyway, what complete fucking jesters.

TLDR: These fucking pills right here will save your fucking life, you'll keep your hair (hair is life), you'll keep your youthful skin, without inhibiting any sort of bone growth.

Spoiler

View attachment 3390659

@Clavicular @Dyorotic

dnr dht is good for bonemass

 

[here]

What about boners tho? I want good erections

I'm on fin and haven't noticed any decrease in EQ but if you did, you could

• do more cardio
• take Cialis (tadalafil)
• use a penis pump

You'd probably have better EQ than you did before incorporating fin to begin with

 

[LongForgotten]

I'm on fin and haven't noticed any decrease in EQ but if you did, you could

• do more cardio
• take Cialis (tadalafil)
• use a penis pump

You'd probably have better EQ than you did before incorporating fin to begin with

Thanks!

 

[appeal]

dnr dht is good for bonemass

dnr dht is good for bonemass

Major cope. Since u DNR i can see why u might think that but you evidently fell for the meme

 

[appeal]

I'm on fin and haven't noticed any decrease in EQ but if you did, you could

• do more cardio
• take Cialis (tadalafil)
• use a penis pump

You'd probably have better EQ than you did before incorporating fin to begin with

WHen did u start?

 

[arabcelxxx]

Serum DHT yes. 96 vs 91 is correct, but for scalp DHT 0.5mg only gives 51% and 2.5% gives 80% suppression. So if you can afford it, there are only benefits to your scalp. If you dont have sides from 0.5mg (u wont) there is no reason not to go to 2.5mg since the serum levels are still essentially the same (5% decrease) but scalp benefits can be major.

Is there a difference in scalp dht suppression if you take 2.5 everyday vs day on and off?

 

[appeal]

Thanks!

5AR inhibitors increase your test since the test can no longer convert to DHT

 

[appeal]

Is there a difference in scalp dht suppression if you take 2.5 everyday vs day on and off?

Probaby not tbh, or extremely minor. Duta has a very long half life of 4-5 weeks

 

[bp3nthusiast]

Major cope. Since u DNR i can see why u might think that but you evidently fell for the meme

mf dht helps development of masculine characteristics during puberty and bonemass its science

 

[iblamemandible7]

dnr dht is good for bonemass

source?

 

[iblamemandible7]

mf dht helps development of masculine characteristics during puberty and bonemass its science

0 effect on bonemass or facial virilization the only "masculine" characteristics you gain from dht is being a hairy baldcel

 

[appeal]

mf dht helps development of masculine characteristics during puberty and bonemass its science

go read the science then, i linked the study.
You can not provide me with a single piece of evidence that DHT has effect on bone mass, the study done shoes absolutely 0 difference between people without DHT and people with DHT proving its only Test and e2 that effect bones and bone mass.

Fucking retarded tiktok cels. Yes bro DHT max, lose your hair and fuck your skin to get benefits that only testosterone give JFL

 

[here]

WHen did u start?

about a month ago, taking 1mg a day.
I also just started using topical 5% minoxidil twice a day earlier this week

 

[appeal]

source?

again he doesnt have one. he Joined 2 Days ago, he has gotten his knowledge from TikTok not studies.

 

[appeal]

about a month ago, taking 1mg a day.
I also just started using topical 5% minoxidil twice a day earlier this week

Mirin, Why did u chose FIn over Duta tho?
what age did you start?

 

[arabcelxxx]

Serum DHT yes. 96 vs 91 is correct, but for scalp DHT 0.5mg only gives 51% and 2.5% gives 80% suppression. So if you can afford it, there are only benefits to your scalp. If you dont have sides from 0.5mg (u wont) there is no reason not to go to 2.5mg since the serum levels are still essentially the same (5% decrease) but scalp benefits can be major.

Any idea if theres any difference in skin dht on .5 vs 2.5?

 

[iblamemandible7]

mf dht helps development of masculine characteristics during puberty and bonemass its science

Selective biological functions of testosterone versus DHT in male puberty[11][12]

Testosterone	DHT
Spermatogenesis and fertility	Prostate enlargement and prostate cancer risk
Male musculoskeletal development	Facial, axillary, pubic, and body hair growth
Voice deepening	Scalp temporal recession and pattern hair loss
Increased sebum production and acne
Increased sex drive and erections

 

[appeal]

Any idea if theres any difference in skin dht on .5 vs 2.5?

DHT will greatly improve skin since DHT inhibits elastin production. Since serum levels are very minorly different between 0.5 and 2.5, i highly doubt there would be any noticeable skin difference.

 

[arabcelxxx]

DHT will greatly improve skin since DHT inhibits elastin production. Since serum levels are very minorly different between 0.5 and 2.5, i highly doubt there would be any noticeable skin difference.

But whys there a big scalp dht difference then?

 

[Francefag]

Agree

DHT is a shit hormone which is completely useless past puberty

Most people here try to cope but when the norwood reaper will knock at their door they will all take fin/dut

Please save your hair and take fin

 

[here]

Mirin, Why did u chose FIn over Duta tho?
what age did you start?

I chose fin because while it still blocks 5ar, it doesn't do it as much as DUT and as it's my first time lowering DHT I didn't want to go too nuclear with my approach, however I would definitely consider switching to DUT if I felt finasteride wasn't effective enough and I don't experience any sides.
Also I don't have any severe hair loss or acne. I'm around a norwood 0.5, so I thought it'd better to catch it early with a conservative approach, and if required later go more heavy with doses/compounds.
Also I'm 22

 

[appeal]

Agree

DHT is a shit hormone which is completely useless past puberty

Most people here try to cope but when the norwood reaper will knock at their door they will all take fin/dut

Please save your hair and take fin

Fin/Duta is more worth it when after 18 since u save ur hair and skin instead of wating past your 20s for muh frame and bone growth that wasnt even caused by DHT in the fist place. If they are worried about facial bones, go get surgery instead, or increase your test of something, DHT will do fuck all.

 

[Sodoku]

But the question becomes, what happens to E2? When you block DHT, extra test is converted into estrogen

So surely you’ll need to be on some AI (could work if natty, tried it) in order to prevent E2 raising significantly, especially if you’re a high aromatiser

This is my no 1 question before I start roiding
@DR. NICKGA @lestoa

 

[TitusA]

Fin/Duta is more worth it when after 18 since u save ur hair and skin instead of wating past your 20s for muh frame and bone growth that wasnt even caused by DHT in the fist place. If they are worried about facial bones, go get surgery instead, or increase your test of something, DHT will do fuck all.

Do most ppl rly lose hair tht fast before mid 20s though? I ran test 300mg (with 500mg blasts) for years straight from 20. Only when I blasted 700mg tren, 50mg anadrol 600mg test did I get some hair loss and dutasteride recovered it all within months. Majority of older men in my family dont have hair so I dont have any good genes for hair loss prevention.

I dont see any need to block it so young unless ur an outlier tht is just really prone. Especially with the recovery u cn get with dutasteride,ooral min and hair transplants.

 

[TitusA]

But the question becomes, what happens to E2? When you block DHT, extra test is converted into estrogen

So surely you’ll need to be on some AI (could work if natty, tried it) in order to prevent E2 raising significantly, especially if you’re a high aromatiser

This is my no 1 question before I start roiding
@DR. NICKGA @lestoa

Genetic dependant even on 300mg test using dut I dont need to block it.

 

[appeal]

But the question becomes, what happens to E2? When you block DHT, extra test is converted into estrogen

So surely you’ll need to be on some AI (could work if natty, tried it) in order to prevent E2 raising significantly, especially if you’re a high aromatiser

This is my no 1 question before I start roiding
@DR. NICKGA @lestoa

I am doing the same as you intend I think. I nuke DHT with Duta, and inject test. Yes when roiding, having an AI on hand is absolutely mandatory. E2 will inevitably rise if you block DHT without roiding, im pretty sure e2 would still be in ideal range. With roiding its far more likely to be out of range, especially if you blast, that why you have the AI.

Out of curiosity, what's your reason for roiding? just cos natty lifiting is a meme? bones? (i dont disagree with roiding, I myself do it, test only tho)

 

[appeal]

Genetic dependant even on 300mg test using dut I dont need to block it.

Are you white? I forgot if I asked before? Most whites will see recession already by 20.

 

[TitusA]

Are you white? I forgot if I asked before? Most whites will see recession already by 20.

Yeah im white. TBH my twin bro who never used roids or hair loss meds doesnt seem to have any real loss yet at 29 so maybe im just not super prone then or diffuse pattern with thick wavy hair makes it less noticeable. Why are u guys so against estro btw? It comes with downsides like water retention and higher risk of blood clots but id much rather keep it a little high just for the cholesterol benefits and the vascular health benefits.

 

[Sodoku]

E2 will inevitably rise if you block DHT without roiding, im pretty sure e2 would still be in ideal range.

Yes I realised after that this is it, it probably won’t raise that much if you’re natty. But exogenous testosterone will probs throw things off

Because my E2 is high already as a natty with low DHT, I’m like 90% sure it’ll skyrocket when I hop on

Out of curiosity, what's your reason for roiding? just cos natty lifiting is a meme? bones? (i dont disagree with roiding, I myself do it, test only tho)

I’ve lifted natty for 4 years now

Looking for changes in my mindset / psychology. But also not being a framecel, bone changes (if any, have you noticed any changes?) and pure hedonism i.e. wanting to be at my best in my early 20s

Obvs won’t be the holy grail but I’ll see if its worth it

 

[appeal]

Yeah im white. TBH my twin bro who never used roids or hair loss meds doesnt seem to have any real loss yet at 29 so maybe im just not super prone then or diffuse pattern with thick wavy hair makes it less noticeable.

Prevention is best IMO when it comes to hair loss.
Given that all the evidence I am seeing shows that it has no effect on facial bones or frame (only dick skin and hair) i see no reason to not prevent any loss, instead of having to recover any loss after the fact.

The moment someone provides compelling evidence that it does in fact effect facial bones, frame etc is the moment I will reconsider my decision of Duta at 18, but from what I'm seeing, it's all complete bro science that DHT effects any of the things I listed, none of them have provided any evidence for their DHT claims.

 

[lestoa]

Good thread OP.
Low DHT levels and high T levels absolutely mog,
please tag me in your future threads.

Are you white? I forgot if I asked before? Most whites will see recession already by 20.

i noticed that too, nearly all my white friends have problems with MPB (age 20-22)
my turkish friends have perfect hairlines and extreme thick hair

I should have been born ethnic

But the question becomes, what happens to E2? When you block DHT, extra test is converted into estrogen

So surely you’ll need to be on some AI (could work if natty, tried it) in order to prevent E2 raising significantly, especially if you’re a high aromatiser

This is my no 1 question before I start roiding
@DR. NICKGA @lestoa

estrogen levels can rise when you block dht, just get an ai

 

[TitusA]

Prevention is best IMO when it comes to hair loss.
Given that all the evidence I am seeing shows that it has no effect on facial bones or frame (only dick skin and hair) i see no reason to not prevent any loss, instead of having to recover any loss after the fact.

The moment someone provides compelling evidence that it does in fact effect facial bones, frame etc is the moment I will reconsider my decision of Duta at 18, but from what I'm seeing, it's all complete bro science that DHT effects any of the things I listed, none of them have provided any evidence for their DHT claims.

Well I cnt speak for DHT specifically but I can say using the strong androgens in high doses (tren and anadrol) gave me most facial changes. I looked pretty diff to my twin bro after couple years test but when I did that huge blast it was like a second puberty. I feel like we wwont ever have allot of data on this to come to a conclusion (on dht effect on face tht is).

 

[here]

Yes I realised after that this is it, it probably won’t raise that much if you’re natty. But exogenous testosterone will probs throw things off

Because my E2 is high already as a natty with low DHT, I’m like 90% sure it’ll skyrocket when I hop on

I’ve lifted natty for 4 years now

Looking for changes in my mindset / psychology. But also not being a framecel, bone changes (if any, have you noticed any changes?) and pure hedonism i.e. wanting to be at my best in my early 20s

Obvs won’t be the holy grail but I’ll see if its worth it

If you're natural and already have high estrodial you could try other lifestyle changes to lower it before starting to inhibit 5ar with fin or dut. The biggest thing you can do is to be lean if you aren't already.
But TBH if you're serious about wanting to get on it, these kinds of questions are probably best for an expert and not a looksmax forum
But in most cases people using fin won't experience sides however everyone is different

 

[Sodoku]

If you're natural and already have high estrodial you could try other lifestyle changes to lower it before starting to inhibit 5ar with fin or dut. The biggest thing you can do is to be lean if you aren't already.
But TBH if you're serious about wanting to get on it, these kinds of questions are probably best for an expert and not a looksmax forum
But in most cases people using fin won't experience sides however everyone is different

Yeah, I get high E2 sides like itchy nips as a natural. So brutal

And I’ve actually tried AI monotherapy: hopping on Arimidex as a natty to block E2 with the goal of raising test and DHT

https://looksmax.org/threads/results-from-8-weeks-on-arimidex.1185186/ -> didn’t work

And ofc I’m already lean. Besides I just think its part of ascending