Why do anyone ask for advice on surgery here ?

[lurking truecel]

There is litteraly not a single dude on this site that has even 1/10 of the knowledge of a average half blackpilled plastic surgeon. People here are just respitting shit they seen in another surgery thread. There are some good knowledge here from some people who made surgery..and sure you can get some tips on where you can aim according to all the authistic morphs and ratios this site finds. But else the surgery knowledge and possibilities and limits of diffrent procedures is of no knowledge here. Its just the same old spam(infra, supra, cantho, lefort, fatgraft, bsso, jaw implants, eye lis retraction, rhino, filler, genio, lipo etc) and most people dont even know shit about them specifically

 

[Snicket]

There is litteraly not a single dude on this site that has even 1/10 of the knowledge of an average half blackpilled plastic surgeon. People here are just respitting shit they seen in another surgery thread. There are some good knowledge here from some people who made surgery..and sure you can get some tips on where you can aim according to all the authistic morphs and ratios this site finds. But else the surgery knowledge and possibilities and limits of diffrent procedures is of no knowledge here. Its just the same old spam(infra, supra, cantho, lefort, fatgraft, bsso, jaw implants, eye lis retraction, rhino, filler, genio, lipo etc) and most people dont even know shit about them specifically

True. It’s utterly pointless.
Most here aren’t candidates for surgery anyway.

I think they just flirt with the idea of doing something but aren’t prepared to do anything about it.

It’s window shopping in a lot of cases.

 

[slice]

Its just mental masturbation for most people.

 

[Snicket]

There is litteraly not a single dude on this site that has even 1/10 of the knowledge of a average half blackpilled plastic surgeon. People here are just respitting shit they seen in another surgery thread. There are some good knowledge here from some people who made surgery..and sure you can get some tips on where you can aim according to all the authistic morphs and ratios this site finds. But else the surgery knowledge and possibilities and limits of diffrent procedures is of no knowledge here. Its just the same old spam(infra, supra, cantho, lefort, fatgraft, bsso, jaw implants, eye lis retraction, rhino, filler, genio, lipo etc) and most people dont even know shit about them specifically

It’s a reason why I’m leaving here soon.

A lot of the questions they ask could be answered with some really cursory research on Google or even GPT these days.

I kind of hoped the cosmetic surgery section would be a place where people who’ve had surgeries or are going to have surgeries could discuss things. It’s the reason why I joined.

Instead, you get posts about bone mashing and LF3 from a 15 year old kid.

 

[Rabbi]

It’s not that I disagree but a blackpilled surgeon is a unicorn. Also surgical advice has gone down a lot in terms of quality in the last 2-3 years on this forum.

 

[lurking truecel]

It’s a reason why I’m leaving here soon.

A lot of the questions they ask could be answered with some really cursory research on Google or even GPT these days.

I kind of hoped the cosmetic surgery section would be a place where people who’ve had surgeries or are going to have surgeries could discuss things. It’s the reason why I joined.

Instead, you get posts about bone mashing and LF3 from a 15 year old kid.

Yea i mean the good threads are from people who have made surgeries but they are so rare, so if you go into the site like once a half a year you will see them. All else is just people commenting the most obv thing, or like you said some 15 year old being edgy recommending the most invasive shit ever

 

[Snicket]

It’s not that I disagree but a blackpilled surgeon is a unicorn. Also surgical advice has gone down a lot in terms of quality in the last 2-3 years on this forum.

It was when that Shami scammer popularized this site on TikTok to millions of teenagers.

 

[lurking truecel]

It’s not that I disagree but a blackpilled surgeon is a unicorn. Also surgical advice has gone down a lot in terms of quality in the last 2-3 years on this forum.

Yea probably, i think it might have been more likely that people uploaded result back in the day when forum is not infested by 15 year old rage kids aswell. and yea bo surgeons where you can talk openly about stuff is kinda rare

 

[lurking truecel]

It was when that Shami scammer popularized this site on TikTok to millions of teenagers.

Yea, its should be age limit on 18 i think

 

[Snicket]

Yea, its should be age limit on 18 i think

They’d lie anyway. It’s impossible to put the lid back on this thing now.

I saw a 15 year old kid with no clinical problems being told to do bone mashing, MSE, a bunch of other dumb shit under the sun from older users here too.

I tried to get involved but it was waste of time. I was rounded on and called a “bluepilled moron”.

A lot of users, young and old shouldn’t really be on here to be honest with you.

 

[lurking truecel]

They’d lie anyway. It’s impossible to put the lid back on this thing now.

I saw a 15 year old kid with no clinical problems being told to do bone mashing, MSE, a bunch of other dumb shit under the sun from older users here too.

I tried to get involved but it was waste of time. I was rounded on and called a “bluepilled moron”.

A lot of users, young and old shouldn’t really be on here to be honest with you.

Yea i also think its a bit related to the underrate this site has. Doing surgeries and having those extreme expectations is retarded. And risk of getting extremly botched is greater because you have a goal that no surgery actually can represent without looking retarded

 

[tweaqo]

You’re right that most people just dream about surgery, but never follow through with it on this forum. Which I don’t understand, maybe everyone is high inhib?

I’m 17 and I’ve already put a deposit down for a surgery I’m getting at the end of 2025. Granted, it’s not a major surgery such as an Osteotomy, but it’s more than what 90% of users on here are willing to do. And once I’ve done this, I am looking into more invasive surgeries.

If you aren’t actually willing to go get surgery, then focus on softmaxxing everything and just forget cosmetic surgery because it will only mess with your head, knowing you could look just a bit better than you do without surgery, but that you’re not willing to go and actually get it.

 

[Snicket]

Yea i also think its a bit related to the underrate this site has. Doing surgeries and having those extreme expectations is retarded. And risk of getting extremly botched is greater because you have a goal that no surgery actually can represent without looking retarded

Pretty much all the best surgical outcomes I’ve ever seen were solving actual craniofacial deformities.

The main purpose of surgery has always been normalization, not beautification.

Bimax for example is really meant for someone with 5mm+ of maxillary and mandible retrusion .

 

[Foreverbrad]

Most of the kids here are prepubertal and “ascend” from that.
They should be asking what surgeries their parents need in fact as that is a decent predictor. At least in my case both my main failos are inherited.

 

[lurking truecel]

Pretty much all the best surgical outcomes I’ve ever seen were solving actual craniofacial deformities.

The main purpose of surgery has always been normalization, not beautification.

yes, worshipping a genetic god like jordan barret while doing surgery is giga retarded

 

[lurking truecel]

Most of the kids here are prepubertal and “ascend” from that.
They should be asking what surgeries their parents need in fact as that is a decent predictor. At least in my case both my main failos are inherited.

Yea same for me, but the kids also want the perfect barret eye area when they have normal average one like its even achievable

 

[Snicket]

Yea same for me, but the kids also want the perfect barret eye area when they have normal average one like its even achievable

They think surgery offers linear improvements.

They reason that if a deformed person can become normal, then why can’t I become good looking?

In reality, it’s exponentially difficult for surgery to push anyone beyond MTN.

 

[Acne Victim]

Just lol if you're going 100% off a plastic surgeon's opinion. It's probably the only field where you NEED to do your own research.

Ofc a surgeon will have 10x the knowledge you, me or anyone here has. But that's not the point. The key detail is that what your goals are differ from what a surgeon's goals are - you are trying to completely change your face - a surgeon sees if you're a candidate for a procedure he does, and if so, he'll do it on you IF you bring up the complaint. His goal isn't to make you as good looking as possible and pinpoint all ur flaws.

If it was as simple as "just talk to surgeons, bro", you would end up doing absolutely nothing, as each surgeon is a specialist in one area (orthognatic surgery, implants, soft tissue, fillers, etc) and would say what they do is superior

 

[superpsycho]

It was when that Shami scammer popularized this site on TikTok to millions of teenagers.

yea jfl at tiktok tbh

tiktok is arguably worse than rotting here

 

[truecopecell]

was about to ask some questions since I have my bimax consultation tomorrow but this moved me

 

[lurking truecel]

Just lol if you're going 100% off a plastic surgeon's opinion. It's probably the only field where you NEED to do your own research.

Ofc a surgeon will have 10x the knowledge you, me or anyone here has. But that's not the point. The key detail is that what your goals are differ from what a surgeon's goals are - you are trying to completely change your face - a surgeon sees if you're a candidate for a procedure he does, and if so, he'll do it on you IF you bring up the complaint. His goal isn't to make you as good looking as possible and pinpoint all ur flaws.

If it was as simple as "just talk to surgeons, bro", you would end up doing absolutely nothing, as each surgeon is a specialist in one area (orthognatic surgery, implants, soft tissue, fillers, etc) and would say what they do is superior

Yea ofc, saying your flaws and what you want to fix is essential. And i dont say there arent good threads about surgery here. But the advice are dog poo, because its allways the most obv/generic advice here. And if they would be followed they would botch hard because most dont know what the procedures is fore and how they really act out. (Ofc some people do understand something, but 80-90% dont)

 

[lurking truecel]

was about to ask some questions since I have my bimax consultation tomorrow but this moved me

Many people here have done bimax so thats probably one of the few some people could give advice on. But yea moat of it should be water to your aurgeon alexcrpt its a bluepilled cuck surgeon who work at a normal hospital doing bimax for insurance

 

[lurking truecel]

yea jfl at tiktok tbh

tiktok is arguably worse than rotting here

Tiktok should be banned, shit app

 

[sham66]

LF3 from a 15 year old kid.

i hope u arent talking about me recommending a full lefort 3, instead of modified lefort 3, for the deformed guy

wait nvm im stupid, this was yesterday

 

[Snicket]

Just lol if you're going 100% off a plastic surgeon's opinion. It's probably the only field where you NEED to do your own research.

You do both. Why is always one thing or another with half the users here?
Anyway, 90%+ of the advice on here is dogshit and inferior to even Chat GPT, which gets things wrong repeatedly on surgeries.

 

[Snicket]

i hope u arent talking about me recommending a full lefort 3, instead of modified lefort 3, for the deformed guy

No, that guy was clearly a candidate or a high level osteotomy. You weren't wrong there.
It's the users here who advocate it on people with minimal clinical recession, thinking it's a chadification surgery, who are in the wrong.

 

[sham66]

It's the users here, advocating it on people with minimal clinical recession and think it's a chadification surgery who are wrong.

you are 100% right. these people’s advice is what causes a bunch of those botched cases. advancement/work done in areas that don’t need work, leading to an uncanny look

 

[lurking truecel]

you are 100% right. these people’s advice is what causes a bunch of those botched cases. advancement/work done in areas that don’t need work, leading to an uncanny look

Or most likely just waste of money and zero smv boost, or botch because the general surgery risks

 

[superpsycho]

most people here probably dont have it in them to go through with all those surgeries anyway

 

[Lefor3Laser]

There is litteraly not a single dude on this site that has even 1/10 of the knowledge of a average half blackpilled plastic surgeon. People here are just respitting shit they seen in another surgery thread. There are some good knowledge here from some people who made surgery..and sure you can get some tips on where you can aim according to all the authistic morphs and ratios this site finds. But else the surgery knowledge and possibilities and limits of diffrent procedures is of no knowledge here. Its just the same old spam(infra, supra, cantho, lefort, fatgraft, bsso, jaw implants, eye lis retraction, rhino, filler, genio, lipo etc) and most people dont even know shit about them specifically

I also see that, i am now seeing that people are recommending surgeries for stuff that aren't worth the money (ROI) and many of them are decent/gl, they always forget that it isn't a magic pill and it has it's risks, a lot of surgeons are much more knowledgeable than many autists (there are few exceptions where few users actually know their shit) but still not as much as knowledgeable as a surgeon.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

True. It’s utterly pointless.
Most here aren’t candidates for surgery anyway.

I think they just flirt with the idea of doing something but aren’t prepared to do anything about it.

It’s window shopping in a lot of cases.

It is mentally and psychically challenging to do any sort of surgery, i bet that many users here that did surgeries can agree with me, surgeries should only be necessary if there's a high ROI, basically a good candidate for bimax rather than your average joe wich isn't recessed at all.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

They’d lie anyway. It’s impossible to put the lid back on this thing now.

I saw a 15 year old kid with no clinical problems being told to do bone mashing, MSE, a bunch of other dumb shit under the sun from older users here too.

I tried to get involved but it was waste of time. I was rounded on and called a “bluepilled moron”.

A lot of users, young and old shouldn’t really be on here to be honest with you.

I mean, it's their choice at the end of the day, they are risking their looks/health over complicated stuff wich they shouldn't be doing it + that many of those users just want to ruin people by telling them stuff that can hurt them (there was a thread where you stare in the sun for A10, basically this is what i mean)

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Most of the kids here are prepubertal and “ascend” from that.
They should be asking what surgeries their parents need in fact as that is a decent predictor. At least in my case both my main failos are inherited.

This isn't always the case, siblings can differ in looks, even with parents, you can look like a copy of your parents or a completely different person.

 

[sham66]

This isn't always the case, siblings can differ in looks, even with parents, you can look like a copy of your parents or a completely different person.

yeah, genetic recombination is important to learn

 

[truecopecell]

Many people here have done bimax so thats probably one of the few some people could give advice on. But yea moat of it should be water to your aurgeon alexcrpt its a bluepilled cuck surgeon who work at a normal hospital doing bimax for insurance

yeah just got back from consult. what I figured I had to do after a lot of 'research' my surgeon pointed out immediately. said he basically knew my diagnosis when I walked in the door. he also complimented my Bizygomatic width.. just said my face needs to be a bit longer to be proportional (which I already knew)

 

[lurking truecel]

yeah just got back from consult. what I figured I had to do after a lot of 'research' my surgeon pointed out immediately. said he basically knew my diagnosis when I walked in the door. he also complimented my Bizygomatic width.. just said my face needs to be a bit longer to be proportional (which I already knew)

Yea the thing is they have a lot more diffrent ratios that they look at then even authists on this forum

 

[moze]

It’s a reason why I’m leaving here soon.

A lot of the questions they ask could be answered with some really cursory research on Google or even GPT these days.

I kind of hoped the cosmetic surgery section would be a place where people who’ve had surgeries or are going to have surgeries could discuss things. It’s the reason why I joined.

Instead, you get posts about bone mashing and LF3 from a 15 year old kid.

Not only that there are many underrated surgerries which they dont mention it here like there is a osteotomy to bring infra orbitals forward

 

[Xx_gloomy_bison_xX]

Most surgeons are simply idiots with two digit IQs and they are too chicken to perform osteotomies. I once consulted Mats Hagstrom who has decent knowledge about facial bone structure and aesthetics. Guess what, he says he only do fillers lol. 30 years of experience and just fillers What is his value add then? Even with 6 months right training an uneducated Afghan mountain cave militia can do the same

Can you imagine that they study medicine for years, they get incredible experience and they still can't figure out what to do...Their pretext for their stupidity is "Muh human body is too complicated we don't how it will behave" Have you ever seen a car mechanic saying I don't how the clutch I fixed will behave or a spacecraft engineer saying I put the rockets but I don't how what they will do.... but these board certified clowns have the audacity to say they don't know any shit.

If it wasn't for the incel outcry and a huge demand for male aesthetic operations due to a surge in chad-only foids, we would still be getting Eppley's ogremaxxed gaymaxxed implants at best

 

[Xx_gloomy_bison_xX]

Yea ofc, saying your flaws and what you want to fix is essential. And i dont say there arent good threads about surgery here. But the advice are dog poo, because its allways the most obv/generic advice here. And if they would be followed they would botch hard because most dont know what the procedures is fore and how they really act out. (Ofc some people do understand something, but 80-90% dont)

I agree and disagree, there are three types of posts in this community;
1) people who are courageous and smart enough to get surgeries and sharing their journey honestly
2) people who are sharing reasonable and detailed information regarding others person's surgeries, opinions on doctors and guides on male aesthetics
3) 12 years old obese spastic basement dwellers asking what surgeries they need to ascend

Unfortunately community is infested by the third category yet there are still lots of gems here and there

 

[Lefor3Laser]

I agree and disagree, there are three types of posts in this community;
1) people who are courageous and smart enough to get surgeries and sharing their journey honestly
2) people who are sharing reasonable and detailed information regarding others person's surgeries, opinions on doctors and guides on male aesthetics
3) 12 years old obese spastic basement dwellers asking what surgeries they need to ascend

Unfortunately community is infested by the third category yet there are still lots of gems here and there

I mean, don't get me wrong, i agree on the last point, but few users actually ascend after surgery since they actually needed it (better ROI), not all people need surgeries, they are meant for failos and failos only, even by then it is still risky (including the so called blackpilled surgeons/designers that have many botches wich are extreme).

I am here to help/learn knowledge and also do the surgeries in the future, trying to limit the surgeries you do is the key.

 

[sham66]

even by then it is still risky

if there are supercomputers in the future which can accurately predict soft tissue changes and infections, then surgery will become much, much more safe

 

[Pvrple]

yeah just go in for a plastic surgery consultation its free right?

 

[Pvrple]

You do both. Why is always one thing or another with half the users here?
Anyway, 90%+ of the advice on here is dogshit and inferior to even Chat GPT, which gets things wrong repeatedly on surgeries.

ppl are sleeping on the newest chat gpt models in terms of looksmaxxing fr its getting decent

 

[limerence]

No, that guy was clearly a candidate or a high level osteotomy. You weren't wrong there.
It's the users here who advocate it on people with minimal clinical recession, thinking it's a chadification surgery, who are in the wrong.

hey snicket idk if you remember me but can I send you a picture of my face and side profile in pms so you can see if I am canidate

 

[Mosh12]

True. It’s utterly pointless.
Most here aren’t candidates for surgery anyway.

I think they just flirt with the idea of doing something but aren’t prepared to do anything about it.

It’s window shopping in a lot of cases.

I am candidate for lefort

 

[ThatInfamousDude]

There is litteraly not a single dude on this site that has even 1/10 of the knowledge of a average half blackpilled plastic surgeon. People here are just respitting shit they seen in another surgery thread. There are some good knowledge here from some people who made surgery..and sure you can get some tips on where you can aim according to all the authistic morphs and ratios this site finds. But else the surgery knowledge and possibilities and limits of diffrent procedures is of no knowledge here. Its just the same old spam(infra, supra, cantho, lefort, fatgraft, bsso, jaw implants, eye lis retraction, rhino, filler, genio, lipo etc) and most people dont even know shit about them specifically

When learning Chess you don’t start with My System by Nimzowitch. You start by playing some games with your friends, learning from family etc.

People clown on this form. But it’s imo the best intro and transition to actual surgery. Yeah a surgeon can tell you exactly what happens, but how do you know it’s accurate if you don’t understand the mechanics? The internet is very powerful.

When reading stuff on this forum, you can research online, and before you know it you understand the basics of how facial bones work.

Hard to fix a car when you don’t even know what an engine is. Similarly hard to do surgery when you have to be explained what a maxilla is.

 

[Dathomirian Zabrak]

wageslaving rn and just wasting time on org in my free times but yes this section not helpful at all