Why are users here so unwilling to accept the changes in the dating market in recent times? (Superthread)

[SwissArms]

thats what all roiders say. Even @Orc claims natty just fucking lol

Cope

 

[Prettyboy]

What I am curious about is how the second part of the 2020s will unfold, because as you have mentioned, men at this point are more or less aware and have maxed out their potential. The plastic surgery industry is growing steadily, but in the grand scheme of things it won’t change most men’s life. Guys might blast roids or HGH in their puberty, but that also has a cap.

My point is, I give it a few years max until looksmaxxing methods get so mainstream everyone who is not a permarotter will have the means to reach their own genetic limit.

What happens after that?

 

[Prettyboy]

thats what all roiders say. Even @Orc claims natty just fucking lol at believing this shit.

u know how common roiding is? like 25% of gym-goers do it. But this influencer who has millions of income and his status dependent on how his body looks, he is natty

nigga you believe in fairytales too? how can you be so fucking naive.
I would believe orc is natty before kinobody since orc doesn't have his entire life dependent on his body like him.

youre sooo fucking naive

One thing I learned from gymmaxxing is that roids are primarily not about exceeding genetic potential. Few guys (if any) reach their true natural limit before hopping on them and even fewer blast amounts that result in physiques that are unattainable naturally.

The primary purpose is because in this degenerate postmodern world we live in men are just as lazy as women, they always seek the shortcuts. That’s why if someone is making money from their body, chances are they are on juice, because very few men have the discipline and mental strength nowadays to do it the hard way.

Gyms are filled with roiders but you wouldn’t tell because most of them are clueless about training so even with androgens they don’t look impressive. What I hate though are the obviously roided guys gaslighting other men about their substance abuse.

 

[MoggerGaston]

One thing I learned from gymmaxxing is that roids are primarily not about exceeding genetic potential. Few guys (if any) reach their true natural limit before hopping on them and even fewer blast amounts that result in physiques that are unattainable naturally.

The primary purpose is because in this degenerate postmodern world we live in men are just as lazy as women, they always seek the shortcuts. That’s why if someone is making money from their body, chances are they are on juice, because very few men have the discipline and mental strength nowadays to do it the hard way.

Gyms are filled with roiders but you wouldn’t tell because most of them are clueless about training so even with androgens they don’t look impressive. What I hate though are the obviously roided guys gaslighting other men about their substance abuse.

You can't afford to not take a shortcut when your competition is taking that shortcut. It's not as much about laziness as much as it is about fair competition and ambition.

Take confidence/low-inhib in social-environments for example. The 'natural' way of doing it would be tackling your insecurities, awkwardly overcoming mental barriers, finding social-support/safety in rejection, etc.
Your competition? Cocaine+Alcohol and it's done.

Same with the insane amount of sacrifices you have to make to get a gymcelled body. Diet, Sleep, Working out, Injury prevention, etc.
But most men that want a good body, don't have the time/energy/motivation to do what it takes to get their natty. So you roid or lose out to a man with the same issues, but who is roiding.

 

[cbx47]

You explained very well past decades, but your "current times" paragraph isn't very clear.
What do you mean, specifically?

 

[illusivespirits]

 

[futureashtray]

Dnrd oldcel ramblings

I imagine someone with room temperature iq saying that

kek

 

[looksmaxxing223]

I imagine someone with room temperature iq saying that

kek

i imagine someone with a negative post-rep ratio saying that

kek

 

[infini]

Looks like another odyssey I'll have to bookmark fs. These YuGiOh cards have to come first..

i imagine someone with a negative post-rep ratio saying that

kek

Why does "negative" post-rep ratio matter? I don't understand it. If they're doing all the social stuff but more? Most of my posts are questions or attempts of humor or topic replies.

 

[Xangsane]

100% agreed
I've even seen it this weekend
Loads of HTB+ white foids either alone or well below their pheno or race match

 

[Shahnameh]

I bet 95% of it is done by ethnics in the Netherlands, meanwhile men as a whole get blamed for it even though the average white man wouldn't engage in such behavior, especially during daylight and without being drunk.

Exact same situation in Australia, 90% of the time its creepy indians or arabs.

Same with domestic violence, its rarely if ever white men but always ethnic like abos but men as a whole get blamed.

Does this correlate with the decline in birth rates in the West?

I imagine what Darwin would say about this.

Read about the mice utopia experiment

 

[Xangsane]

Exact same situation in Australia, 90% of the time its creepy indians or arabs.

Same with domestic violence, its rarely if ever white men but always ethnic like abos but men as a whole get blamed.



Read about the mice utopia experiment

Someone said the white chads are dating noodles Is that true?

 

[Shahnameh]

Someone said the white chads are dating noodles Is that true?

Yes and not even the hot ones

 

[Whatever]

I’d say these changes were ultimately brought about by entirely traceable economic changes. Which is why no one can deny them. Living in a cool neighborhood in a city and going to cover charging venues, most young people can’t afford that anymore. Most young people are living at home or in inconvenient housing situations. So that impacts everyone’s social and sex lives. I’m in an abnormal living situation myself, it’s not for financial reasons but either way even if I had friends here I couldn’t just go out and let myself go.

So you’ve got that changing women’s attitudes, plus bad or bare minimum unfulfilling experiences on the apps, no one can deny that things are different now. In 2024 I’ve seen so many college aged couples that would not have existed when I was in college 10 years ago. Maybe girls’ looks requirement for socially proven guys has never been lower, for random strangers it’s never been higher.

One thing is constant though, sugar daddy game is legit as fuck and will never go out of style and I wish I had the money to play it way more than I wish I had a better face or body. Because I saw some rich looking 40 something guy with a legit Stacy, not some HTB in Mumbai but a legit giga fogging Stacy, a few months ago. She made all the HTB+ I’ve seen with oofy doofies look like a joke, and unlike seeing those couples which are ropefuel this was actually more encouraging. I might make a thread about this because I can’t stop thinking about her.

 

[autistic_tendencies]

I’d say these changes were ultimately brought about by entirely traceable economic changes. Which is why no one can deny them. Living in a cool neighborhood in a city and going to cover charging venues, most young people can’t afford that anymore. Most young people are living at home or in inconvenient housing situations. So that impacts everyone’s social and sex lives. I’m in an abnormal living situation myself, it’s not for financial reasons but either way even if I had friends here I couldn’t just go out and let myself go.

So you’ve got that changing women’s attitudes, plus bad or bare minimum unfulfilling experiences on the apps, no one can deny that things are different now. In 2024 I’ve seen so many college aged couples that would not have existed when I was in college 10 years ago. Maybe girls’ looks requirement for socially proven guys has never been lower, for random strangers it’s never been higher.

One thing is constant though, sugar daddy game is legit as fuck and will never go out of style and I wish I had the money to play it way more than I wish I had a better face or body. Because I saw some rich looking 40 something guy with a legit Stacy, not some HTB in Mumbai but a legit giga fogging Stacy, a few months ago. She made all the HTB+ I’ve seen with oofy doofies look like a joke, and unlike seeing those couples which are ropefuel this was actually more encouraging. I might make a thread about this because I can’t stop thinking about her.

Money game has never been more valid.
Just promise them a comfortable lifestyle and they are yours
Hahaha

 

[ElTruecel]

People born in the 1980s (millenials) were probably the most liberally brainwashed group the world has seen while also being the least focused on settling down and had the least knowledge on the impact caused to society down the line by throwing off the shackles of religion and conservatism and sleeping without a care and not worrying about seeking marriage or kids until you reach 30.

Wtf how are you an Older user and completely wrong on this. This was SILENT GEN & Boomers. Gen X was the worst of it.


Gen x were the most sexually degenerate generation ever during the crack epidemic lmfao. Milennials may have been mostly atheist & nihilist but the trends for sexual promiscuity were Decreasing by then

 

[widdi]

So if beckies are dating LTNs because they can't cheat and are willing to be doormats, won't these LTNs now be higher value than MTNs and be a worse option? Why wouldn't an LTN go to a girl that's gonna cuck him 10% less over his current GF if many beckies are open to dating him? And wouldn't the MTN eventually decide to get cucked to get something as well, which would make him more preferable over an uglier dude? I think there are def some flaws in the whole "looks purgatory"/"its over if you are strong MTN" theory.

 

[chadcel;]

Yes and not even the hot ones

What I don't get in Australia is who actually dates the hot girls, I feel like most places that people think of to meet girls are sausage fests, a lot of girls in general are just not good looking. This makes it very hard to even see an attractive girl somewhere, let alone try talk and date.

 

[Shahnameh]

What I don't get in Australia is who actually dates the hot girls, I feel like most places that people think of to meet girls are sausage fests, a lot of girls in general are just not good looking. This makes it very hard to even see an attractive girl somewhere, let alone try talk and date.

Social circle mate, sydney people are very cliquey and insular. U have girls still hanging out with highschool friends well into their 30s and refusing to ever meet new people.

It makes it impossible to meet new people since these girls either travel in groups or never go out.

Tinder and dating apps are a nightmare to deal with and sausage fests.

Bars and clubs are sausage fests


For a guy like me with no social circle, it feels like pulling shit up a hill.

 

[Shahnameh]

Maybe girls’ looks requirement for socially proven guys has never been lower, for random strangers it’s never been higher.

Once again proving social circle is king, idk why people still deny this fact

One thing is constant though, sugar daddy game is legit as fuck and will never go out of style

Nobody here has the financial capital for that though. So there is no point in worrying about it

 

[chadcel;]

Social circle

yeah but your options are so limited even if you have a social circle. My social circle won't lead to me meeting any girls for example.

Relying on social circle I think you won't ever find a really good girl for you, you might find someone you're okay with and they're okay with you but you have access to at most tens of girls with your circle whereas there are millions of people living in Sydney

 

[Shahnameh]

yeah but your options are so limited even if you have a social circle. My social circle won't lead to me meeting any girls for example.

A social circle that doesnt put u into direct contact with new girls regulary isnt worth it. A social circle full of nerdy guys is a massive failo

Relying on social circle I think you won't ever find a really good girl for you, you might find someone you're okay with and they're okay with you but you have access to at most tens of girls with your circle whereas there are millions of people living in Sydney

Most people only meet through social circles, people meeting from OLD are a very small minority and usually in their 30s

Nobody meets through cold approach

 

[Xangsane]

Yes and not even the hot ones

For real?
Even the Aussie surfer chads or is it just a generic chad dating Asian?

 

[Xangsane]

I’d say these changes were ultimately brought about by entirely traceable economic changes. Which is why no one can deny them. Living in a cool neighborhood in a city and going to cover charging venues, most young people can’t afford that anymore. Most young people are living at home or in inconvenient housing situations. So that impacts everyone’s social and sex lives. I’m in an abnormal living situation myself, it’s not for financial reasons but either way even if I had friends here I couldn’t just go out and let myself go.

So you’ve got that changing women’s attitudes, plus bad or bare minimum unfulfilling experiences on the apps, no one can deny that things are different now. In 2024 I’ve seen so many college aged couples that would not have existed when I was in college 10 years ago. Maybe girls’ looks requirement for socially proven guys has never been lower, for random strangers it’s never been higher.

One thing is constant though, sugar daddy game is legit as fuck and will never go out of style and I wish I had the money to play it way more than I wish I had a better face or body. Because I saw some rich looking 40 something guy with a legit Stacy, not some HTB in Mumbai but a legit giga fogging Stacy, a few months ago. She made all the HTB+ I’ve seen with oofy doofies look like a joke, and unlike seeing those couples which are ropefuel this was actually more encouraging. I might make a thread about this because I can’t stop thinking about her.

NO WONDER I’m seeing stacies (legit Stacy) either whoring out on onlyfans or with older or less attractive men or athletes/rappers. They seem to heavily prioritize money and status.
And most women where I’m from are still living in cities but in small cramped houses. They still want the sex and the city lifestyle.

However what’s ironic is the sheer number of chads ltring squishy squishy here

 

[Xangsane]

So if beckies are dating LTNs because they can't cheat and are willing to be doormats, won't these LTNs now be higher value than MTNs and be a worse option? Why wouldn't an LTN go to a girl that's gonna cuck him 10% less over his current GF if many beckies are open to dating him? And wouldn't the MTN eventually decide to get cucked to get something as well, which would make him more preferable over an uglier dude? I think there are def some flaws in the whole "looks purgatory"/"it’s over if you are strong MTN" theory.

Women are passing up even white MTNs because of their anxious attachment (it’s getting much more prominent these days among them) and desire for stability and an LTR
After being exposed online when red pill and Andrew Tate and now blackpill became Extreme they are getting worried about not locking down a partner and un subconsciously lowering their standards due to the media in fear of not getting an ltr and marriage and children

 

[Xangsane]

Social circle mate, sydney people are very cliquey and insular. U have girls still hanging out with highschool friends well into their 30s and refusing to ever meet new people.

It makes it impossible to meet new people since these girls either travel in groups or never go out.

Tinder and dating apps are a nightmare to deal with and sausage fests.

Bars and clubs are sausage fests


For a guy like me with no social circle, it feels like pulling shit up a hill.

yeah but your options are so limited even if you have a social circle. My social circle won't lead to me meeting any girls for example.

Relying on social circle I think you won't ever find a really good girl for you, you might find someone you're okay with and they're okay with you but you have access to at most tens of girls with your circle whereas there are millions of people living in Sydney

I’ve once seen a guy like this with a 5’1 noodle

 

[Deleted member 97350]

dnr

1990s
Intentionally going out to a nightlife venue to meet someone to settle down with was seen as a normal activity and things like matchmaking festivals were commonplace and not seen as desperate.

For anyone who didn't meet a partner through social circle, bars/venues were seen as a place to go to actively try to meet someone to settle down with so most people in the venues were there for a specific goal if they were single.
I'll outline how this changes later

2000-2009:
Possibly the Golden era for club slaying because seeking relationships were no longer the primary focus of dating and all voluntary M/F interactions

People born in the 1980s (millenials) were probably the most liberally brainwashed group the world has seen while also being the least focused on settling down and had the least knowledge on the impact caused to society down the line by throwing off the shackles of religion and conservatism and sleeping without a care and not worrying about seeking marriage or kids until you reach 30.

Most euro countries were still ethnostates so there was still the idea that the 50th percentile native man was a good catch and with the economy in a good position, the average white was a good LTR prospect in terms of what he could provide.

MTNs were effectively seen as the attractive looks level with legitimately good looking guys standing out and cleaning up but once the 2 or 3 goodlooking guys in the venue had a girl to leave the club with, the 40 foids remaining in the club who went out to the venue that night with the intention of fucking had to choose between MTNs

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The extent of media in this time was text messaging and digital cameras with no NTs having heard about online dating

Clubs were fun af and less serious without everyone being self obsessed and trying to mog and analyze their competition



2010-2014:

This is when shows highlighting the british club slaying culture on party islands started to take off

Spoiler

Social Media exploded and all of a sudden people could slay by messaging through facebook, not just by having to go to a club to meet up

Roids Tats and Tan game starts to gain popularity and suddenly everyone is implementing at least one of the three to try to gain an edge on the competition because suddenly slaying isn't just something that happens here and there thanks to your "chat" when you go out to hit on girls with your mates, but suddenly normies try to ascend to match the slaying results of the naturally goodlooking guys

(Shit like this on tv also had an influence)
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I think shit like Geordie Shore actually had a massive impact on ruining club game because people seen these guys slaying from series two onwards after they gained status which caused normies to develop ambitions to slay every night they went out so they looksmaxxed as much as they could to try achieve this but since many other guys were doing it, it only gave them a temporary edge until their competition caught up



In 2012 snapchat, instagram and tinder came out which had a drastic impact on the market

2012 tinder was apparently heaven for slaying if you were in your peak at that time, this wouldve had a drastic impact on the women of that time shifting a portion of the ONS they'd have in durin the course of a year over to tinder and away from clubs
This kind of profile would be Maher tier in 2012-14
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This was a GigaChad in early instagram days
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I started clubbing in mid 2013 and there was still something good about the energy in clubs, you'd see barely any moggers @forvergymcelling and being a MTN actually got you decent results.
I remember being on a dancefloor with a guy who had a v-neck top and looked like he had 18 months of natty chest gains and a foid came up and started touching his chest and flirting, I was twink mode at the time but in the following months I got natty gains and had pec squeezes from random foids while still having a mediocre natty physique that I just showed off with skin tight shirts.
Some foids were still attention seeking cunts dont get me wrong, but you still felt like you were in with a shot of slaying given that girls would give you a chance but sometimes you wouldnt get over the line

Things began to change during the course of 2014 though and it was like the effects of the things mentioned caused an avalanche coming towards the end of 2014 entering into 2015

2012 was the time when PSL was born and a small amount of people on the internet came to the agreement that behaviour for getting girls through unfamiliar methods (daygame, clubbing) was cope and now looks were all that mattered.

As I mentioned earlier, in the 2000s behaviour and ability to chat a girl up in a club actually would've been a legitimate dating strategy for most men because a MTN was seen as a good catch even in unfamiliar club environment (altho it was still semi familiar in the 2000s because everyone felt like extended family in closer community ethnostate) but in the 2010-14 era, with the economy doing shit, mens main means of outcompeting each other was now their looks and physique.

Obsession with looks theory was born but I will explain later why this belief legitimate for it's time has passed it's sell-by date in it's previous form


2015-2019

This is what I'd describe as the modern era of clubbing where the competition cemented to a point where every guy had a haircut that haloed them (long on top ideal for subpar bones)
Suddenly nobody had pale skin failo or greasy skin as was the case in the 2010s.

Less attractive guys got weeded out way quicker than previous eras when they could still go out and have a decent night with their mates but now it would be impossible for them to cope due to the competition

Roids and Tats probably reached their peak halo during this stage and were heading towards the point of going out of fashion / looking try hard / looking like a caricature who basically dedicated his whole life and image towards trying to impress foids in a nightclub.

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Most euro countries are no longer ethnostates so the vibe of venues is ruined by ethnics going to great lengths to try to compete for white women.

White foids use the ethnic's over eagerness to pull to try pitt him against the white man as if to say "look how badly this niglet wants me, if you want to outcompete him you have to step up your desperation levels in your pursuit white man"

This was when I hit my peak slaying days so it was definitely still possible to be a club slayer but I noticed in 2019 in particular, a venue I worked in I seen almost no guys approaching girls at random despite them all being 18-20

When I started clubbing in 2013 it was just a given that when you finally have the chance to approach random girls under the influence of alcohol you turn into a dog off a leash. From what I could see youngcels were high inhib and people just interacted with strangers less.

I'd say in this era girls became more stingy with who they gave out IOIs to, whereas a mogger pre 2014 was getting sexually harassed by girls on a dancefloor.
The rise of "influencer culture" also ruined things since normie foids seen themselves as celebs and took themselves way too seriously and went out solely to get pics which ruins the vibe of venues when theyre full of narcy cunts

Foids were also massive attention whores at this point, maybe a subset always were but at least in the 90s there were girls who went out to meet a partner, in the 2000s there were plenty of girls out to fuck, 2010-14 foids were still kinda going with the flow but standards to fuck were increasing but after the looksmaxxing explosion post 2015 its like girls getting approached by better looking guys didn't cause them to fuck more, it just caused them to get more enjoyment from rejecting because they had more goodlooking guys to reject to fuel their ego.
Rejecting some LTN wouldnt fuel their ego in the same way

Tinder levelled off in this era, not as easy to slay as 2012-13 based on misc stories but a decent looking guy could still do fairly well.
It didnt appear to be getting progressively harder year on year. The algorithm seemed relatively fair.

2020-2024

The most immediate difference I noticed in 2020 was tinder going to shit since more attention seeking foids who never intended on using the app to actually meet began flooding the app and in this year I had 10 planned meetups in a row who all flaked.

I managed 3 tinder meetups across 2021-2022, two of which were meetups in public which led nowhere and one was a straight over to the house slay
DoctorLooksmax mentioned how he was able to get girls straight over to the house to slay in 2020 with shitty pics before he was fully looksmaxxed, yet in 2023 with every aspect of his online dating profiles optimized and being in his most looksmaxxed state he had to slay via dates since he couldn't get girls straight over to the house any more.

The tinder algorithm changed DRASTICALLY from 2018 to 2021 and beyond since I was able to get 100 matches in the first 48 hours after making an account by swiping right on every foid in 2018. By 2021, swiping right on every foid would result in me getting about 5 matches with another 5 hidden and due to limited likes I'd quickly run out of likes and would have to pay to see the hidden profiles who liked me.
Foids standards may have changed but in 2018 I was using a shitty selfie in a dull room with a €2 primark t-shirt as my main pic with my other pics being gymcel mirror selfies and only one NT social pic.
In 2023 I tried to give it everything I could by using an array of NT pics taken post surgery with morphs on top of that, one even had me heightmogging a group of 3 other goodlooking chaps (incelcon pic) and height could now be added to your profile which wasn't the case prior to 2020, yet my results were pathetic by comparison to 2018.

Even Bartek PUA mentioned how his results on hinge used to be really good but he took a break from it for a few months and when he made a new account he said only low quality girls he didnt even want to swipe right on were being shown to him and he assumed that they changed the algo to try force people to pay for the paid version once the app had enough popularity and userbase gained whereas the previous algo gave fair results to get people to use initially

Due to foids sitting at home on their phones all day in 2020, foids standards for face probably skyrocketed thanks to tiktok only showing them countless moggers daily.
By this point foids were completely desensitized to seeing guys with perfect physiques online since they'd been exposed to it on instagram for years now whereas a roidcel physique actually had a great deal of novelty to it in the mid 2010s.
Now its just a case of having something foids have seen (through a screen) 1000x before so it doesn't provide as much novelty as seeing a new mogger face since that's more unique to each person than a roided physique.

Even though roiding and gaining a 10/10 body was seen as a massive halo for a MTN previously, it now seemed as tho the minimum face needed to have casual sex from tinder/clubs raised to HTN meaning that a large portion of guys who could slay through non face related looksmaxxes were now counted out of the game, meaning that the popularity of gymcelling and fitted clothes decreased as focus switched back to face.

Now lets take a look at nightlife.
I went out once in late 2021 by sneaking into a venue without the vax pass having not been in a venue since early 2020
The first thing I noticed was how retarded foids were since there was an outdoor area that was always crammed with random people mingling with each other but on this night all the foids segregated themselves to their own group of tables away from any guys, as if they wanted to make it as easy as possible to reject any guy who would take the blatant move of walking over to approach. I put this down to the venue being full of retarded chav foids when it used to be for normal people but the dogshit atmosphere I noticed that night really seemed to stick in subsequent nights.
I genuinely believe people's behaviour has become fucking retarded after getting the vax or maybe people who didnt get vaxxed dropped out of society and stopped socializing after realizing during the lockdowns how retarded normies are, I would say this was the case for me to a pretty large extent.
The vibe in clubs now is just fucking dead and miserable although it was heading that way year on year since 2013 but I still witnessed a mogger night in 2019 in a 100% white student venue.

I got one slay in a club in 2022 upen my return to clubs and in 2023-2024 post surgery when I went out a lot I had 10 nights out in a row without a slay which wouldve been unthinkable at any previous point in my life since I started college.
You could say I just dont have the appetitie to dumpster dive any more which is true but I was still going for chubsters who used to be easy slays in 2017-19 but now they weren't. I even was denied a slay by having a chubster say I was too goodlooking to approach her so something had to be wrong, whereas I believe the slight underbite I had previously made them more comfortable fucking me since I had a failo which justified me approaching them.

I also encountered foids who said that they go out clubbing solely to be in the company of their friends and said regardless of what level of guy approached them or how attractive they found him, they would not under any circumstances pursue something with a guy from a club because they claim to be only seeking LTR not ONS and also claim that they would never date a guy who they first met in a club even if he wanted to date and go the LTR route.
They compartmentalize a goodlooking, ideal potential BF who they first encounter in a club as a worse prospect than some subhuman they're forced to be around in daily life.

What I said in the 2015-19 era about IOIs being harder to come by also applies to this era to a greater extent, foids just dont care as much when they see a mogger. Like I said the novelty of roidcel halo has wore off and not the novelty of having a mogger face is wearing off as well unless GIGA rare.
Foids just dont want to give men any power today and this is why I say we're in a post mogging era.
Foids are actually more likely to punish a guy who tried to mog and falls short of top mogger than they are to punish a guy who did nothing to improve or compete on mogging.

Women punish you more for trying to compete and falling short of first place than not trying to compete against other men at all

By "trying to compete" I mean trying to be as goodlooking as you can and present yourself as well as you can and mog as many men as you can. I use "first place" vaguely in the sense that if you are the third biggest mogger in a club you can still be perceived as being in first place / top of the...

looksmax.org

Foids are just worn out by casual sex with moggers who wont commit because they're now bombarded with messaging that men hate sluts (thanks to countless podcasts, street interviews etc discussing bodycount) whereas millenial foids for example weren't even aware that being sluts would drastically lower their value or chances of getting married since most men of that era were bluepilled due to the lack of internet/media discussion around bodycounts.

Spoiler

many foids now severely depressed from fucking around

JFL @ this foid, talks about emotional damage of casual sex then says she's not having sex again until she's married

Finds a guy to marry 6 months later

looksmax.org

Rather than foids choosing a happy medium of seeking an LTR with their looksmatch and holding off on moggers unless they show legit LTR interest, they have gone to the extreme of giving casual sex to the top 1% of guys they see on tinder but when it comes to a relationship they want complete security in choosing a guy they think would never leave them.

This is what foids see as the most risk averse strategy and its the strategy most foids are going all-in on post 2020, fuck a 1% guy from online if they feel like fulfilling sexual urges but also not going all in on slutmaxxing like past generations because all girls are mentally damaged before they hit 18 from over-dopamine through social media so they seek an LTR and tend to seek out the biggest subhuman they can find who worships them and they have complete control over and can treat like shit if they please.

@Whatever can vouch for his sister only dating subhumans who no other girl wanted because she was so desperate for control.
The UK PSLers I speak with outside of the forum have also stated how its an "oofy doofy" world now, and every above average girl seems to be dating a below average guy intentionally, whereas before it was a case of most couples being looksmatched and the lower looks level guys genuinely struggling more than average guys.
Now it seems to be the case of average guys who are trying to improve struggling way more than LTNs who are happy to bask in their own subhumanity and not improve in any way and be legit slobs.
I have an extensive post history showing examples of this but typing this thread is just too exhausting to go find them.

The influx of ethnics post 2020 has also been detrimental because now if you go to a venue there might be 40 ethnics in the venue trying to compete while there are next to no ethnic women to balance this out.
Foids also dont want to be outdoors anymore and want to limit their actions with men and strangers to the minimum amount possible due to getting harrassed by ethnics in the daytime the second they are discovered to be alone.
The problem is, with foids now switching to getting with LTNs for LTRs, that means that almost every ethnic is now on the table as a prospect for a white foid since most ethnics fall in the LTN range.
I didn't want to believe it and previously gave foid sentience more credit than it deserves but white foids are legitimately retarded enough to engage in LTRs with LTN ethnics.

@nofap has stated how he's seeing white HTBs with ethnic LTNs constantly.

Just be anything but white theory is legit in 2024

Last Saturday i went out to a restaurant and i saw 3 blonde htb women each eating alone with pan faced asain manlets, one off them had ugly oily spikey hair that reeked. i couldn’t believe my eyes and smoked a pack in the 2,5 hours i was there because of extreme mental stress, I barely ate...

looksmax.org

It's almost as if a foid who's failed at dating (because she fucked a couple of moggers and ruined her ability to pairbond) now sees dating a LTN ethnic as the safe bet to have a couple of kids and also a way to get back at the white moggers who didnt commit
They can also get with ethnics due to taking pity on them but also due to them being more primitive and low inhib than the native men because they have far less to lose since they're at the bottom of the hierarchy by default.
Foids will never take pity on a MTN-HTN white guy regardless of how much effort he is making to make a good life for himself but hasnt quite hit his stride yet.

Also I have a theory that foids are just willing to fuck the invading group regardless of whether they mog the natives or are subhuman compared to the natives, regardless of whether they're invading by invite and stepping off a plane or invading by brute force, foids dont distinguish one as requiring strength and one as being meaningless, they simply see someone of a different race walking around and subconsiously think that he must have a great level of status if he can just walk around freely without being killed by the majority, he must be the one who's ruling the native masses.


TO SUMMARIZE:
I wish it was still a case of mogger looks being the single most important thing in dating as was the case from 2010-2019, but the fact is that it was just a brief window in time.
Are Looks still the most important thing? Yes but not for the reason you think, LTN/Subhuman looks are actually a benefit over being MTN for finding a relationship, so looks are still the determining factor, but its no longer a case of more looks = more relationship success.

Pre 2010 Looks didnt really matter to a huge degree because so few guys stood out for their looks (since almost nobody was looksmaxxed) and relying on chat/charisma and the fact you were good financially in an ethnostate was enough to attract most girls as a MTN.

From 2010-2019, the economy got worse and men tried to outcompete each other by increasing their looks because women gave their pussy to the highest looks bidder when a roidcel body or HTN face still had extreme novelty but was decreasing in value year on year.
This is when PSL was born and the blackpill made sense at the time given the dating market and explosion of online dating and tinder experiments showing difference in treatment of Chad v normie online.

From 2020-2024, many whites are in a position of hopelessness financially and hopelessness in terms of having a family since they wont own a home.
All looksmaxxing has more or less been tapped out and men look as good as they're ever going to look.
The bidding for females vaginas isn't going to get much higher and foids have casual sex fatigue and the novelty of seeing counless moggers online has worn off and this punished all decent looking guys irl as a result.
Foids have made the mental switch to wanting a relationship but since they associate everything to do with a white man trying to enhance his lot in life as negative/wannabe mogger, they've switched to almost exclusively dating LTN/Subhuman whites or LTN/Subhuman ethnics.
Ethnic influx is stacking the odds even more against MTN white

This forum was created in 2019 in the final remnants of the looks theory era, dating has changed but the people on here are still parroting shit that applied the most in the mid 2010s, the world has moved on.
I discovered the importance of having mogger looks for success in the dating market of the time before most of you knew what a forum was and while everyone except for a few thousand men worldwide was stuck between the blue and red pill.
Now I am telling you that the blackpill is finished and no longer applies the same way it used to, I lived through to peak "blackpill" era and now I am seeing it's demise due to socieconomic factors and changes in foid behaviour, I am always ahead of the curve and waiting for others to catch up on these things
@Clavicular

dnr are u jpgjq

 

[Shahnameh]

I’ve once seen a guy like this with a 5’1 noodle
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What zero pussy does to a MOFO

 

[Shahnameh]

For real?
Even the Aussie surfer chads or is it just a generic chad dating Asian?

Both, it's really that bad

 

[GreekGenes]

when your summary section is longer than most threads expect a DNR

 

[Xangsane]

What zero pussy does to a MOFO

Why so?
And yeah it was in London. He looked tall and she was this 5’1 asian Becky with glasses
And he seemed all over her as well holding her waist and all
Does it surprise you?

 

[Xangsane]

Both, it's really that bad

So if the chads are dating Asians who are the stacies really dating?

 

[Shahnameh]

So if the chads are dating Asians who are the stacies really dating?

Guys in their social circles

 

[Shahnameh]

Why so?
And yeah it was in London. He looked tall and she was this 5’1 asian Becky with glasses
And he seemed all over her as well holding her waist and all
Does it surprise you?

Hoeflation

We have to work harder for lower quality pussy

Shit is really bad

 

[Xangsane]

Guys in their social circles

Which is what social circle
And how often do you see chads with squishy?

 

[Shahnameh]

Which is what social circle
And how often do you see chads with squishy?

Chads themselves are a very rare sight in sydney

 

[Xangsane]

Hoeflation

We have to work harder for lower quality pussy

Shit is really bad

Tbh squishy is cute but you wouldn’t expect a chad to be with squishy
From your area who are chads most often with?

 

[Xangsane]

Chads themselves are a very rare sight in sydney

And what do they usually look like and who are they with?

 

[Shahnameh]

Tbh squishy is cute but you wouldn’t expect a chad to be with squishy
From your area who are chads most often with?

Im in the eastern suburbs a lot of white guys have an asian gf, its almost every second couple now its crazy

we get a lot more female asian migrants than men

For indians its mostly male incels

 

[Xangsane]

Im in the eastern suburbs a lot of white guys have an asian gf, its almost every second couple now its crazy

we get a lot more female asian migrants than men

For indians its mostly male incels

Not just white guys but specifically white chadlite and chad

Those white guys with Asian gf could be subhuman

I’m specifically asking about Chadlite or chad

 

[Shahnameh]

Not just white guys but specifically white chadlite and chad

Those white guys with Asian gf could be subhuman

I’m specifically asking about Chadlite or chad

Chads as well, and not just white guys but ive even seen pajeets with asian girlfriends and Lebanese guys

Im talking tall ripped chads too

 

[Xangsane]

Chads as well, and not just white guys but ive even seen paje

WTF
WHY ARE NON FAMOUS CHADS WITH ASIAN WOMEN THESE DAYS
YOU WOULD EXPECT THEM TO BE WITH SOME WHITE STACY BUT NAHH
SQUISHY?

ets with asian girlfriends and Lebanese guys

Lemme guess the Lebanese were almost always white passing

Im talking tall ripped chads too

You’re joking
Similar to the guy I posted?

 

[Shahnameh]

Lemme guess the Lebanese were almost always white passing

None of them, most look full Arab with the large beak shaped nose

Theres even a syrian guy i know engaged to a korean japanese girl

 

[Xangsane]

None of them, most look full Arab with the large beak shaped nose

Theres even a syrian guy i know engaged to a korean japanese girl

Who were with white passing Arabs then

 

[Xangsane]

None of them, most look full Arab with the large beak shaped nose

Theres even a syrian guy i know engaged to a korean japanese girl

And white chads ??

 

[Shahnameh]

Who were with white passing Arabs then

Ive seen mixed couples of all different races. I need an autistic guy to document it all for me

Im too lazy

 

[Xangsane]

Ive seen mixed couples of all different races. I need an autistic guy to document it all for me

Im too lazy

Fair enough

 

[Whatever]

Once again proving social circle is king, idk why people still deny this fact




Nobody here has the financial capital for that though. So there is no point in worrying about it

After college, building social capital from zero is way harder than building financial capital, the social capital that it might take to meet and get a hot girl. Since college I’ve had one period in my life in 2019 when that was just barely happening, I had the beginnings of a social circle through a pretty cool houseshare, only the beginnings though. I haven’t even met and been around an attractive single girl in over 5 years now. It's unbelievable how isolating this world is.

In college I got hot girls through social circle, each time it was a sequence of events that I lucked into and especially that it was the right time in the girls' lives that made it work, I got very lucky. I see nothing that I can do to put myself in a position to capture that lightning again, it feels like trying to make lightning strike twice in the same spot 10 years apart. I'd need drastic changes in my life for even a chance of meeting girls again. I looked into a partial career change that would move me to a better area and give me time to bartend on the weekends, but it was like no, not gonna happen. I legit need to win the lottery, I don't have many other options.

When I see a college age Stacylite with oofy doofy I just wanna rope because that ship has sailed for me, I was kinda oofy doofyish with my first girl who was Stacylite but I'm not gonna fucking act like that again, it worked once but it's not available to me anymore. And I see bigger look discrepancies than me and her, guys I mog to oblivion, these guys just got so lucky while I've had zero luck in many years. There's another couple I saw a few years ago that lives rent free in my head, 1/1,000,000+ Elsa Hosk pheno Stacy with some MTN who looked the definition of average in every way. He did not look rich nor high status and they were older, late 20s, so they met in the adult world that's so segregated and meeting a woman like that is so rare, let alone her choosing to spend her time with you, like I need to fucking know exactly the chain of events how that happened. I'm not exaggerating when I say that's lottery winner luck. So when I saw that Stacy dream girl with the rich guy 10+ years older than me it showed me one way, as unlikely as it is, that might still be possible for me.

 

[Xangsane]

After college, building social capital from zero is way harder than building financial capital, the social capital that it might take to meet and get a hot girl. Since college I’ve had one period in my life in 2019 when that was just barely happening, I had the beginnings of a social circle through a pretty cool houseshare, only the beginnings though. I haven’t even met and been around an attractive single girl in over 5 years now. It's unbelievable how isolating this world is.

In college I got hot girls through social circle, each time it was a sequence of events that I lucked into and especially that it was the right time in the girls' lives that made it work, I got very lucky. I see nothing that I can do to put myself in a position to capture that lightning again, it feels like trying to make lightning strike twice in the same spot 10 years apart. I'd need drastic changes in my life for even a chance of meeting girls again. I looked into a partial career change that would move me to a better area and give me time to bartend on the weekends, but it was like no, not gonna happen. I legit need to win the lottery, I don't have many other options.

When I see a college age Stacylite with oofy doofy I just wanna rope because that ship has sailed for me, I was kinda oofy doofyish with my first girl who was Stacylite but I'm not gonna fucking act like that again, it worked once but it's not available to me anymore. And I see bigger look discrepancies than me and her, guys I mog to oblivion, these guys just got so lucky while I've had zero luck in many years. There's another couple I saw a few years ago that lives rent free in my head, 1/1,000,000+ Elsa Hosk pheno Stacy with some MTN who looked the definition of average in every way. He did not look rich nor high status and they were older, late 20s, so they met in the adult world that's so segregated and meeting a woman like that is so rare, let alone her choosing to spend her time with you, like I need to fucking know exactly the chain of events how that happened. I'm not exaggerating when I say that's lottery winner luck. So when I saw that Stacy dream girl with the rich guy 10+ years older than me it showed me one way, as unlikely as it is, that might still be possible for me.

Then where I live there are chads often with short or Asian women

 

[Whatever]

NO WONDER I’m seeing stacies (legit Stacy) either whoring out on onlyfans or with older or less attractive men or athletes/rappers. They seem to heavily prioritize money and status.
And most women where I’m from are still living in cities but in small cramped houses. They still want the sex and the city lifestyle.

However what’s ironic is the sheer number of chads ltring squishy squishy here

I can not believe there are people on here who deny money and status, clearly they've never known top or upper tier girls and who they go for or had any status themselves, it's life changing. And it's easy to deny money when you're a NEET in your parents' basement but for the rest of us it matters.