Why do Muslims conflate essense and person to be the same thing?

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Genuinely perplexing race of beings these lot are.

My buddy couldn’t seem to reconsile that WHAT you are isn’t the same as WHO you are

I can’t even explain it using counting by identity vs division because he doesn’t know such things but the category of god is counted by division in the sense that it’s a category a grouping (ONE GROUP) and within that group there are multiple or different things in this instance hypostasis which is counted by identity.

This is logically coherent and sound any person who does mathematics or philosophy will agree. An example of counting by division would be ripping a piece of paper in half doesn’t give you 2 pieces of paper instead you just have one piece of paper ripped in 2.

@Thebuffdon690 @XtrovertNTnormalfag @PsychoH what is so hard to understand about this relating to god for the Muslim brain? Atheist get it, Buddhists and all other groups get it even Jews but Muslims just don’t get it

 

[PsychoH]

Genuinely perplexing race of beings these lot are.

My buddy couldn’t seem to reconsile that WHAT you are isn’t the same as WHO you are

I can’t even explain it using counting by identity vs division because he doesn’t know such things but the category of god is counted by division in the sense that it’s a category a grouping (ONE GROUP) and within that group there are multiple or different things in this instance hypostasis which is counted by identity.

This is logically coherent and sound any person who does mathematics or philosophy will agree. An example of counting by division would be ripping a piece of paper in half doesn’t give you 2 pieces of paper instead you just have one piece of paper ripped in 2.

@Thebuffdon690 @XtrovertNTnormalfag @PsychoH what is so hard to understand about this relating to god for the Muslim brain? Atheist get it, Buddhists and all other groups get it even Jews but Muslims just don’t get it

very high iq Prince.
probs cus of inbred brains.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

very high iq Prince.
probs cus of inbred brains.

Maybe it’s low IQ tbh honestly im beginning to see now why many say that you need the Holy Spirit to know these things


Honestly it’s infuriating and quite upsetting to argue with them. They just lack common sense in these things man. I don’t get it

A category can have unique distinct things within it. For example we can have 100 cars, this category is called “cars” which is counted by division as all “cars” but within the cars we can have 50 being red and 50 green, counting by identity you have 2 separate colours of cars but all are grouped as “cars” despite the distinctive feature of the particulars in the grouping being the colours indicating their uniqueness.

 

[PsychoH]

Maybe it’s low IQ tbh honestly im beginning to see now why many say that you need the Holy Spirit to know these things


Honestly it’s infuriating and quite upsetting to argue with them. They just lack common sense in these things man. I don’t get it

A category can have unique distinct things within it. For example we can have 100 cars, this category is called “cars” which is counted by division as all “cars” but within the cars we can have 50 being red and 50 green, counting by identity you have 2 separate colours of cars but all are grouped as “cars” despite the distinctive feature of the particulars in the grouping being the colours indicating their uniqueness.

@SecularIslamist @shia.jihadist read this.

 

[shia.jihadist]

@SecularIslamist @shia.jihadist read this.

@PrinceLuenLeoncur nigga explain the argument you were having

like what did you say and what did he reply with

 

[Thebuffdon690]

Maybe it’s low IQ tbh honestly im beginning to see now why many say that you need the Holy Spirit to know these things


Honestly it’s infuriating and quite upsetting to argue with them. They just lack common sense in these things man. I don’t get it

A category can have unique distinct things within it. For example we can have 100 cars, this category is called “cars” which is counted by division as all “cars” but within the cars we can have 50 being red and 50 green, counting by identity you have 2 separate colours of cars but all are grouped as “cars” despite the distinctive feature of the particulars in the grouping being the colours indicating their uniqueness.

Muslims weren’t raised to be the brightest there’s your answer

 

[Thebuffdon690]

@PrinceLuenLeoncur nigga explain the argument you were having

like what did you say and what did he reply with

Ma boi is in the building

 

[Thebuffdon690]

@PrinceLuenLeoncur nigga explain the argument you were having

like what did you say and what did he reply with

Bro got summoned

@PsychoH

 

[Bomber517]

Muslims weren’t raised to be the brightest there’s your answer

 

[MaghrebGator]

Genuinely perplexing race of beings these lot are.

Nah, you are just polytheists on denial and everyone can see it, including yourself even though you have to constantly desperately to return to philosophical ramblings. It's like watching someone who just stole from a granny repeating to himself "I didn't stole from a granny, i just took it without her consent but that isn't stealing, it's just taking without consent, right? right? Yeah i'm good"

Funny that you even mentioned "Muh even jews can understand it" even though they consider you polytheists and see us muslims as monotheists.

My buddy couldn’t seem to reconsile that WHAT you are isn’t the same as WHO you are

1 person/object/thing is both WHAT and WHO. WHAT and WHO aren't 2 completely different things, they exist within the same entity and can't contradict eachother, they describe the same entity. In trinitarian christianity the WHAT and WHO contradict eachother constantly in the descriptions of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

I can't be an (WHAT) Ever Living, All Powerful, All Mighty God WHO acts weak, has needs, asks for help, needs assistance from other beings, suffers, regrets, eternal but non eternal at the same time, etc. It's a squared circle in every essence of any definition.

I can’t even explain it using counting by identity vs division because he doesn’t know such things but the category of god is counted by division in the sense that it’s a category a grouping (ONE GROUP) and within that group there are multiple or different things in this instance hypostasis which is counted by identity.

That definition is also known as polytheism i.e the belief in several Gods. Similar to a medusa like pantheon.

This is logically coherent and sound any person who does mathematics or philosophy will agree. An example of counting by division would be ripping a piece of paper in half doesn’t give you 2 pieces of paper instead you just have one piece of paper ripped in 2.

The example is ridiculous but i'm not surprised, it was easily expected. If you cut a piece of paper into two, you've got 2 pieces of paper.

Your entire definition and analogy is lacking because you speak as if there isn't a prior history of when and how the piece of paper was made, as if the piece of paper was just made magically and wasn't made of prior materials. Heck, if we go exquisite the half paper was a piece of paper way before the entire paper was made, just because of purely the timeline when it was being fabricated.

It's like differentiating a sword from a dagger, it would be a never ending cycle if you don't start with the definitions properly and with a clear consensus. What makes a dagger different from a sword?? One could say "Well one is shorter and the other one is longer", but then someone would ask "what exact lenght would a dagger stop being a sword??" and viceversa. Every single person would come with different views and lenghts and mark them differently unless it is made clear since the beggining by an objective source explicitly.

The only solution is that there is just ONE governing BEING (God) without any different deviations and roads flowing, that leaves room for no doubt, and the rest is subjected to His Will and definitions.

@Thebuffdon690 @XtrovertNTnormalfag @PsychoH what is so hard to understand about this relating to god for the Muslim brain? Atheist get it, Buddhists and all other groups get it even Jews but Muslims just don’t get it

Nah, no one gets it except trinitarian christians (And just because they claim it, they don't get it either anyways).

I like to read these kind of threads of yours because i analyze your pathetic behaviour. Both of us know you do this because you want approval from users and be called intelligent, that's why you use such language. You don't recognize it yourself from the outside out loud but you feel that impulse on the inside and you very well know it. I learn a lot about human psychology from people who behave like you. It's like one of those neon signs that have the lights off but everyone can read perfectly what is written from a mile away.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Nah, you are just polytheists on denial and everyone can see it, including yourself even though you have to constantly desperately to return to philosophical ramblings. It's like watching someone who just stole from a granny repeating to himself "I didn't stole from a granny, i just took it without her consent but that isn't stealing, it's just taking without consent, right? right? Yeah i'm good"

Funny that you even mentioned "Muh even jews can understand it" even though they consider you polytheists and see us muslims as monotheists.

1 person/object/thing is both WHAT and WHO. WHAT and WHO aren't 2 completely different things, they exist within the same entity and can't contradict eachother, they describe the same entity. In trinitarian christianity the WHAT and WHO contradict eachother constantly in the descriptions of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

I can't be an (WHAT) Ever Living, All Powerful, All Mighty God WHO acts weak, has needs, asks for help, needs assistance from other beings, suffers, regrets, eternal but non eternal at the same time, etc. It's a squared circle in every essence of any definition.

That definition is also known as polytheism i.e the belief in several Gods. Similar to a medusa like pantheon.

The example is ridiculous but i'm not surprised, it was easily expected. If you cut a piece of paper into two, you've got 2 pieces of paper.

Your entire definition and analogy is lacking because you speak as if there isn't a prior history of when and how the piece of paper was made, as if the piece of paper was just made magically and wasn't made of prior materials. Heck, if we go exquisite the half paper was a piece of paper way before the entire paper was made, just because of purely the timeline when it was being fabricated.

It's like differentiating a sword from a dagger, it would be a never ending cycle if you don't start with the definitions properly and with a clear consensus. What makes a dagger different from a sword?? One could say "Well one is shorter and the other one is longer", but then someone would ask "what exact lenght would a dagger stop being a sword??" and viceversa. Every single person would come with different views and lenghts and mark them differently unless it is made clear since the beggining by an objective source explicitly.

The only solution is that there is just ONE governing BEING (God) without any different deviations and roads flowing, that leaves room for no doubt, and the rest is subjected to His Will and definitions.

Nah, no one gets it except trinitarian christians (And just because they claim it, they don't get it either anyways).

I like to read these kind of threads of yours because i analyze your pathetic behaviour. Both of us know you do this because you want approval from users and be called intelligent, that's why you use such language. You don't recognize it yourself from the outside out loud but you feel that impulse on the inside and you very well know it. I learn a lot about human psychology from people who behave like you. It's like one of those neon signs that have the lights off but everyone can read perfectly what is written from a mile away.

Thank you for replying.

I disagree with you but rn I’m busy I’ll reply back to you once I have time I’ll reply to all your points

@PrinceLuenLeoncur nigga explain the argument you were having

like what did you say and what did he reply with

Basically he couldn’t accept that there can be a complexity in singularity (how god can be one being but be 3 persons) I was showing him how Sunnis have this same “distinction” issue regarding Allah and his attributes but the idiot kept parroting that the attributes are not
Allah or another person which I’m aware but the principle of distinctions in god remains.

He then kept on just filibustering regarding Allah metaphysics and philosophy being unable to make sense of how Allah is illogically unknowable to humans. He also started coping with Islamic miracles such as oceans never mixing which is scientifically proven to be false as the oceans do mix as a fact proving so called Quran’s miracles nothing more than bullshit.

He then kept asking why we Christian’s pray to Jesus instead of the father but he doesn’t understand that we Christian’s believe the godhead is united as one and all worship is done in communion with one another with all prayer being directed ultimately to the father through the son in the Spirit and how even if we were to call on the name of the Holy Spirit it doesn’t take this fact away as god is ONE in a trinity and a trinity in ONE the fire praying to one is == to praying to all

Much like how in maths your have fractals

A = ABC
B and C are equal to A but distinct from A and A is in the list as well but A is also the source of the list despite B and C not being the source of the list. This is another way to describe the trinity and what I means when I say “god” in this instance I’m referring to counting by division as in the category of God encompasses the 3 persons which share the same mind will essense and action but are distinct in their mode of existence

 

[halloweed]

Hell
Nah
@wastedspermcel schizo 3.0

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Nah, you are just polytheists on denial and everyone can see it, including yourself even though you have to constantly desperately to return to philosophical ramblings. It's like watching someone who just stole from a granny repeating to himself "I didn't stole from a granny, i just took it without her consent but that isn't stealing, it's just taking without consent, right? right? Yeah i'm good"

Funny that you even mentioned "Muh even jews can understand it" even though they consider you polytheists and see us muslims as monotheists.

1 person/object/thing is both WHAT and WHO. WHAT and WHO aren't 2 completely different things, they exist within the same entity and can't contradict eachother, they describe the same entity. In trinitarian christianity the WHAT and WHO contradict eachother constantly in the descriptions of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

I can't be an (WHAT) Ever Living, All Powerful, All Mighty God WHO acts weak, has needs, asks for help, needs assistance from other beings, suffers, regrets, eternal but non eternal at the same time, etc. It's a squared circle in every essence of any definition.

That definition is also known as polytheism i.e the belief in several Gods. Similar to a medusa like pantheon.

The example is ridiculous but i'm not surprised, it was easily expected. If you cut a piece of paper into two, you've got 2 pieces of paper.

Your entire definition and analogy is lacking because you speak as if there isn't a prior history of when and how the piece of paper was made, as if the piece of paper was just made magically and wasn't made of prior materials. Heck, if we go exquisite the half paper was a piece of paper way before the entire paper was made, just because of purely the timeline when it was being fabricated.

It's like differentiating a sword from a dagger, it would be a never ending cycle if you don't start with the definitions properly and with a clear consensus. What makes a dagger different from a sword?? One could say "Well one is shorter and the other one is longer", but then someone would ask "what exact lenght would a dagger stop being a sword??" and viceversa. Every single person would come with different views and lenghts and mark them differently unless it is made clear since the beggining by an objective source explicitly.

The only solution is that there is just ONE governing BEING (God) without any different deviations and roads flowing, that leaves room for no doubt, and the rest is subjected to His Will and definitions.

Nah, no one gets it except trinitarian christians (And just because they claim it, they don't get it either anyways).

I like to read these kind of threads of yours because i analyze your pathetic behaviour. Both of us know you do this because you want approval from users and be called intelligent, that's why you use such language. You don't recognize it yourself from the outside out loud but you feel that impulse on the inside and you very well know it. I learn a lot about human psychology from people who behave like you. It's like one of those neon signs that have the lights off but everyone can read perfectly what is written from a mile away.

Not true bro we get the trinity from Rveation this is how god reveals himself all you do is prove that Mohammed was a false prophet because he contradicts and goes against the prophets who all preached a multiple personal God even the Shema word for ONE “Echad” compound unity rather than an absolute singularity. The word is used in contexts where distinct parts are unified in some way e.g Genesis 2:24 describes the relationship between Adam and Eve, stating, “the two shall become one (echad) flesh

. Actually philosophically the trinity is completely sound and sensible in fact it’s the only actual legitimate way for an monotheistic god to both be transcendent and immanent (Knowable) your tanzih has Allah outside of created order and unlike anything in creation. As a muskim how can you rectify this and explain to me the veracity of the Quran being the legitimate word of God? And representing the uncreated eternal speech of Allah when to do so is to reduce Allah to an analogy in the created order? Even the word “Allah” even the Quran which is paper and ink are references, Icons pointing to your deity that if you were intellectually consistent you’d not be able to even know who or what he is.

What we ar ereferring to with the “What” is the Essence of god or “What he is” or in other words his “Genus”. This essence is also referred to as “divinity” and “Nature” in English at times as well but all defence the same thing.

The issue for you is your conflating the substance (nature) of god with the Hyposatsis (personhood ala Particular).

The particulars aka persons share the same Nature (substance) making them ontologically the same thing in existence and ONE and the same category of GOD. However the particulars which is 2nd order imposition refers to the WHO, and this is expressed in 3 persons VIA REVELATION. These whose are ultimately in the category of GOD (substance) the distinguishing factor for the persons in this case is the mode of existence and roles.

The father is Asei (self existing first cause) the son is begotten and the spirit spirates.

The same way Adam is created by god directly, eve proceeds from Adam’s rib and Seth is Begotten of Adam but each are fully
HUMAN DUE TO THEM INHERITING THE HUMAN NATURE FROM ADAM ABSTRACTLY.

The who and what do not contradict for the what refers to the substance and the who refers to the particular and each particular contains the same Substance therefore are the same “WHAT”

If you cut a piece of paper you don’t get 2 princes of paper you get one piece of paper that has been cut into 2… ultimately that piece of paper shares the same makeup and the distinction between the “2 pieces” is that they both have been separated but ultimately are of the same ontological existence and source.

Jews can call you monotheists I dunno why Muslims are so obsessed with this 16th century word that ironically perfectly includes Christian Trinitarianism in it because it was Christina’s who coined the term .

Tawhid, yes your Allah has 99 attributes and an eternal Quran that isn’t Allah but not divorced from him . Imagine having such distinctions in Allah but then critiquing Christianity? @Thebuffdon690 @PsychoH the Islamic gods attributes don’t even possessed the same ontological existence as one and other and some are even dependent on one another in a sort of hierarchy for instance mercy is dependant on Allah being the creator for example but this raises another issue, if these and Allah are all equal to the eternal essense of Allah then that makes creation an eternal generation as if Allah isn’t creation then he cannot had always been the “crestor” and even if we were to collapse everything into his essence you still end up with everything created being equal to his essense leading to EVERYTHING ULTIMATELY BEING ALLAH.


I admit the paper analogy wasn’t the best

SO IMA USE SUNLIGHT
Consider sunlight passing through a prism. Sunlight is a single, unified light source, representing the essence of God. When this light shines through a prism, it reveals three distinct colors (for simplicity): red, green, and blue. These colors represent the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.


• Counting by Division: Sunlight remains one and undivided as it goes through the prism, which reflects the one divine essence of God that is whole and unified. It doesn’t break into multiple “lights”; it remains one light source even as we see distinct expressions.


• Counting by Identity: Red, green, and blue are three identifiable colors within the one light, each with a unique role. They are distinguishable, yet they exist as different manifestations of the same light source. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct in identity but share the same essence, like colors originating from one source.

No eveybody else gets it other than Muslims. I speak to every group even atheists and they ALL GET IT but Muslims are the only ones ALWAYS every TIME who never get it done project your peoples lack of understanding unto others.

 

[Thebuffdon690]

Nah, you are just polytheists on denial and everyone can see it, including yourself even though you have to constantly desperately to return to philosophical ramblings. It's like watching someone who just stole from a granny repeating to himself "I didn't stole from a granny, i just took it without her consent but that isn't stealing, it's just taking without consent, right? right? Yeah i'm good"

Funny that you even mentioned "Muh even jews can understand it" even though they consider you polytheists and see us muslims as monotheists.

1 person/object/thing is both WHAT and WHO. WHAT and WHO aren't 2 completely different things, they exist within the same entity and can't contradict eachother, they describe the same entity. In trinitarian christianity the WHAT and WHO contradict eachother constantly in the descriptions of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

I can't be an (WHAT) Ever Living, All Powerful, All Mighty God WHO acts weak, has needs, asks for help, needs assistance from other beings, suffers, regrets, eternal but non eternal at the same time, etc. It's a squared circle in every essence of any definition.

That definition is also known as polytheism i.e the belief in several Gods. Similar to a medusa like pantheon.

The example is ridiculous but i'm not surprised, it was easily expected. If you cut a piece of paper into two, you've got 2 pieces of paper.

Your entire definition and analogy is lacking because you speak as if there isn't a prior history of when and how the piece of paper was made, as if the piece of paper was just made magically and wasn't made of prior materials. Heck, if we go exquisite the half paper was a piece of paper way before the entire paper was made, just because of purely the timeline when it was being fabricated.

It's like differentiating a sword from a dagger, it would be a never ending cycle if you don't start with the definitions properly and with a clear consensus. What makes a dagger different from a sword?? One could say "Well one is shorter and the other one is longer", but then someone would ask "what exact lenght would a dagger stop being a sword??" and viceversa. Every single person would come with different views and lenghts and mark them differently unless it is made clear since the beggining by an objective source explicitly.

The only solution is that there is just ONE governing BEING (God) without any different deviations and roads flowing, that leaves room for no doubt, and the rest is subjected to His Will and definitions.

Nah, no one gets it except trinitarian christians (And just because they claim it, they don't get it either anyways).

I like to read these kind of threads of yours because i analyze your pathetic behaviour. Both of us know you do this because you want approval from users and be called intelligent, that's why you use such language. You don't recognize it yourself from the outside out loud but you feel that impulse on the inside and you very well know it. I learn a lot about human psychology from people who behave like you. It's like one of those neon signs that have the lights off but everyone can read perfectly what is written from a mile away.

DNR dawah schizo ramblings

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

DNR dawah schizo ramblings

Don’t be mean I actually like maghrebgator he’s a good fellow I dunno tbh recently I just find myself not as easily angered anymore I actually wanna cry for Muslims they are deceived and it hurts me. These guys are poor souls.

Maghrebgator genuinely seeks and loves god but unfortunately he has been misled by Mohammed

 

[Thebuffdon690]

Don’t be mean I actually like maghrebgator he’s a good fellow I dunno tbh recently I just find myself not as easily angered anymore I actually wanna cry for Muslims they are deceived and it hurts me. These guys are poor souls.

Maghrebgator genuinely seeks and loves god but unfortunately he has been misled by Mohammed

I fucking hate that nigga. Most dishonest scumbag on this site. Don’t be fooled by his demeanour he’s a wolf in sheeps clothing

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I fucking hate that nigga. Most dishonest scumbag on this site. Don’t be fooled by his demeanour he’s a wolf in sheeps clothing

What did he do?

 

[Thebuffdon690]

What did he do?

Well mainly his response to my proof god doesn’t exist thread, the most dishonest thing I’ve ever read

Regardless of how my views changed regarding the topic I’ve never seen a more dishonest daiee than him lol

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Well mainly his response to my proof god doesn’t exist thread, the most dishonest thing I’ve ever read

Regardless of how my views changed regarding the topic I’ve never seen a more dishonest daiee than him lol

Yeah I mean he’s Muslims they are deceived. I won’t give up on them tbh. I’ll ask the Holy Spirit to educate me more so I can evangelise these guys more. It not even about proving them wrong anymore I just want them to get what they deserve which is christ

You see how much they’ll lie for Allah imagine if they dedicated that zeal to Christ. To Jesus, to god

 

[moodless]

Not intelligent enough to comprehend anything that is somewhat complex

 

[Thebuffdon690]

Yeah I mean he’s Muslims they are deceived. I won’t give up on them tbh. I’ll ask the Holy Spirit to educate me more so I can evangelise these guys more. It not even about proving them wrong anymore I just want them to get what they deserve which is christ

You see how much they’ll lie for Allah imagine if they dedicated that zeal to Christ. To Jesus, to god

Yeh I don’t understand why they still decide to stick to Allah and global caliphate domination when they can just submit to Christ and have a real relationship with god. Makes no sense

 

[truthhurts]

Yeh I don’t understand why they still decide to stick to Allah and global caliphate domination when they can just submit to Christ and have a real relationship with god. Makes no sense

Your avi does something to me

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Not intelligent enough to comprehend anything that is somewhat complex

takes a while to understand essentially like humans we are more than one thing we aren’t our essence we have our personage.


Well God is one in the sense of unity God not being physical ain’t beholden to the natural laws not materialism so he is one God in 3 persons who indwell within one another (not separated) but distinct.

The Sun
Think of the sun. The sun itself is like God the Father. The light that reaches us is like Jesus, and the heat we feel is like the Holy Spirit. They are all connected to the same sun, and each one has a unique role, but they are not separate. It’s all the sun, just in unique Roles

One Team, Three Positions
Imagine a soccer team. One team has three key players—a striker, a midfielder, and a goalkeeper. Each player has a unique job, but they work together with the same goal and identity as one team. In the Trinity, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit each have their own role, but they are all part of the same “team” of God.

 

[Bomber517]

Maghreb vs Prince. What a fight of the century.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Maghreb vs Prince. What a fight of the century.

I have beaten him once before here tbh. He dipped and said I was an “FBI informant” but tbh Maghreb is respectful so I won’t badmouth him.

 

[Bomber517]

I have beaten him once before here tbh. He dipped and said I was an “FBI informant” but tbh Maghreb is respectful so I won’t badmouth him.

I still read every molecule in your posts and Maghreb's even if i don't understand jfl

 

[goober55]

Genuinely perplexing race of beings these lot are.

My buddy couldn’t seem to reconsile that WHAT you are isn’t the same as WHO you are

I can’t even explain it using counting by identity vs division because he doesn’t know such things but the category of god is counted by division in the sense that it’s a category a grouping (ONE GROUP) and within that group there are multiple or different things in this instance hypostasis which is counted by identity.

This is logically coherent and sound any person who does mathematics or philosophy will agree. An example of counting by division would be ripping a piece of paper in half doesn’t give you 2 pieces of paper instead you just have one piece of paper ripped in 2.

@Thebuffdon690 @XtrovertNTnormalfag @PsychoH what is so hard to understand about this relating to god for the Muslim brain? Atheist get it, Buddhists and all other groups get it even Jews but Muslims just don’t get it

this is sophistry, the idea of WHO and WHAT itself is arbitrary nonsense. You're trying to understand God with words JFL.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

this is sophistry, the idea of WHO and WHAT itself is arbitrary nonsense. You're trying to understand God with words JFL.

Umm no it’s not…

What you are isn’t equal to who you are. Even with humans they refer to different things.

I am prince that’s who I am and I am a human that’s what I am. Gods identity is more than his divinity it refers to who he is, WHAT god is refers to his divinity

If you don’t know WHO god is then you cannot even make an accurate assessment to say which God is the Real god and then you become a ultra natural theologian which is contradictory and leads you to a puzzle. Me knowing WHO god is allows me to formulate a belief system and understanding of the world CONSISTENTLY in my paradigm because theres clear parameters being set based upon WHO he is

 

[MaghrebGator]

Not true bro we get the trinity from Rveation this is how god reveals himself all you do is prove that Mohammed was a false prophet because he contradicts and goes against the prophets who all preached a multiple personal God even the Shema word for ONE “Echad” compound unity rather than an absolute singularity. The word is used in contexts where distinct parts are unified in some way e.g Genesis 2:24 describes the relationship between Adam and Eve, stating, “the two shall become one (echad) flesh

Already in the first example and already doing the ridicule. For God's sake can't you stop for once ashaming yourself in public??

EVERY-SINGLE-PROPHET in the Bible preached about One God, and there isn't a single mention by any prophet even REMOTELY CLOSE to any trinity or a God being different entities or persons at the same time. Muhammad preached monotheism, every Biblical prophet teaches CLEARLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY Tawhid, and they never make a single dirty mention towards any being or person being equal to God except it is considered some sort of blasphemy, and which is anyways completely unrelated to the christian trinitarian view of God.

Using the word "Echad" as a desperate try to justify your polytheism just showcased again the lack of honesty and moral integrity you possess

It doesn’t take any expert on hebrew, just a quick research on the usage of the word inside the Bible is enough to check it

-Genesis 2:21 And LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one (echad) of his ribs.

-How many ribs did God took?

Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one (echad) of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

-How many mountains did Abraham go to?

Exodus 25:19 And make one (echad) cherub on the one (different word) end and the other cherub on the other end.

-How many cherubs on one side?

Leviticus 16:5 And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for sin offering, and one (echad) ram for a burnt offering.

-How many rams?

"Of the 943 times, the word "echad" translated as "one," it is used to indicate a single character 901 times. In the remaining instances when it is involved in describing a group effort, it still means one."

. Actually philosophically the trinity is completely sound and sensible in fact it’s the only actual legitimate way for an monotheistic god to both be transcendent and immanent (Knowable)

Finally, light at the end of the tunnel. Imagine how weak and spiritually bankrupt your religion must be when you have to desperately (Again) say and resort to humanising and downgrading Him

Saying that God can't be close without taking a human form is insulting the teachings of the Prophets and even bible itself, but again, trinitarianism requires a WHOLE LOT of blasphemy to make barely any sense at all. Again, of course, stripping The All Powerful, All Mighty, from any sense of power and might to be able to reach His creation. Trinitarians try to present this disabled, crippled, limping and intelectually retarted version of God (A fake God clearly inspired by the devil himself towards the distorters of the teachings of Jesus) as if it was the standard way everyone around the globe understood Him, and then tell you "Look, someone this crippled can't walk on two legs without the help of a stick."

You are straight saying with a small mouth that "The Father" doesn’t have the power to be close to His creation if he doesn’t have a human form, which is straight contradicting and blaspheming biblical Old Testament teachings of Prophets

In the Bible, it is quoted that David said about "The Father", in Psalm 145:18:
"The Lord is near to all who call on him, to all who call on him in truth."

Allah answers using the most beautiful words and manners (Interpretation of the meaning): Indeed, ˹it is˺ We ˹Who˺ created humankind and ˹fully˺ know what their souls whisper to them, and We are closer to them than ˹their˺ jugular vein.

your tanzih has Allah outside of created order and unlike anything in creation. As a muskim how can you rectify this and explain to me the veracity of the Quran being the legitimate word of God? And representing the uncreated eternal speech of Allah when to do so is to reduce Allah to an analogy in the created order? Even the word “Allah” even the Quran which is paper and ink are references, Icons pointing to your deity that if you were intellectually consistent you’d not be able to even know who or what he is.

Here we go again with the last stand of philosophical ramblings to deviate attention in a usual desperate try. I'm starting to think (I always thought about it) that you just copy and paste this stuff, because knowing how your average normal conversation and intellectual level is, i doubt you barely hold any knowledge about all of these matters, let alone read any books except a small selection that fits your preconceived bias, and that's why you use terms like mohammedan so often. For the avid reader, it reflects where all your limited knowledge comes from.

Your entire argument stems about the lack of any understanding (Normal coming from a judeo-christian) of what "Creation" entails. You are just trying to superimpose a definition of Creation to Islam (Probably without even realizing it but just copying and pasting) that entails that "Creation" is "Anything that comes from Nothing", or as defined on the dictionary "the action or process of bringing something into existence."

Islam does not adhere to such lacking definition, that could only come from deviated sects and religions.

In Islam, anything that Allah wills to exist through His command "Be" is under the umbrella of Creation and thus created.

Allah, in His Majesty says (Interpretation of the meaning): He is the One Who has originated the heavens and the earth, and when He wills to (originate) a thing, He only says to it: 'Be', and it becomes.
Take knowledge for example. Was it created? Or did it somehow "pop into existence? In our case, God gave us the knowledge.

Allah, in His Mercy and Wisdom, explains in many verses that he "Taught" us knowledge including writing, and that which entails knowledge, as He says in the first verse ever REVEALED (Not created, but revealed) the next words (Interpretation of the meaning): "Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous.
Who has taught (the writing) by the pen.
He has taught man that which he knew not”
Allah says (Interpretation of the meaning): “Allâh will exalt in degree those of you who believe, and those who have been granted knowledge”

In another verse, Allah says about Khidr (Interpretation of the meaning): “Then they found one of Our slaves, unto whom We had bestowed mercy from Us, and whom We had taught knowledge from Us.”
Allah says (Interpretation of the meaning): “And they ask you (O Muhammad ﷺ) concerning the Ruh (the Soul). Say: ‘The Ruh (the Soul) is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little.’”
We affirm perfect, complete and comprehensive knowledge to Allah, and we negate any deficiency in the knowledge of Allah, while we humans possess deficiency and non complete hold of it due to ignorance, forgetfullness, lack of resources, pride and so on, like you so boldly and shamelessly demonstrate in each and every one of your comments time and time again.

What we ar ereferring to with the “What” is the Essence of god or “What he is” or in other words his “Genus”. This essence is also referred to as “divinity” and “Nature” in English at times as well but all defence the same thing.

The issue for you is your conflating the substance (nature) of god with the Hyposatsis (personhood ala Particular).

The particulars aka persons share the same Nature (substance) making them ontologically the same thing in existence and ONE and the same category of GOD. However the particulars which is 2nd order imposition refers to the WHO, and this is expressed in 3 persons VIA REVELATION. These whose are ultimately in the category of GOD (substance) the distinguishing factor for the persons in this case is the mode of existence and roles.

More philosophical ramblings and sybarite close to made up concepts specifically to explain something that has not a SINGLE way out, again copied and pasted. It's like watching a group of train rails ending in the sea and you will just switch rails to live a few more seconds while knowing the inevitable end, scratching every inch of dirt for a lost cause.

You can try to makeup it however you want, there is no way around it.

"Conflating" (Hey look, emojis like you use, but at least mine express something and not just sheer desperation and begging for approval unlike yours) For God's sake! THEY ARE SUPPOSSED TO BE THE SAME!

The way you just infer "Muh we know it via revelation". DUMBASS, it's all because of the constant contradictory biblical narratives and "revelations", and look at you, trying to slither it smoothly as if no one will notice

A man can never be a God, Jesus can never be both Human and God, they both contradict eachother as much as you try to refer back to some sort of made up uniting spirit that makes both Son and Holy Spirit return to the essence of the Father, while at the same time the Son is a created being sitting in his right hand and always being differentiated from him, with even different wills, doubts that The Father does not hold, etc etc etc

You are basically just making God seem like a dirty football team and saying "Yeah, Lampard and Drogba are both Chelsea players so therefore they are both Chelsea, but the owner [Father] is Abramovich so he is Chelsea" and then act as if their wills and goals and objectives are constantly the same when the Bible proves over and over and over again that this is not the case, but then you hide yourself in a "Secret" or "Hidden" ultimate goal in which the three of them supposedly coincide (Without them even explicitly mentioning that goal, God forbid, your scholars will make up that goal for yourself so that God doesn’t get confused) and then act as if Drogba and Lampard didn't have their own goals like getting higher salaries, taking care of specific family members, other priorities in life completely different and contradictory to the will of both the owner and even the other player who want either to manage salaries more conservatively by barely or even not giving a damn share of importance about the goals of the rest, and as if one didn't have a higher hierarchy which by itself is and WILL ALWAYS BE A DIFFERENTIATING TERM.

The father is Asei (self existing first cause) the son is begotten and the spirit spirates.

The same way Adam is created by god directly, eve proceeds from Adam’s rib and Seth is Begotten of Adam but each are fully
HUMAN DUE TO THEM INHERITING THE HUMAN NATURE FROM ADAM ABSTRACTLY.

"The same way Abramovich bought the team, Lampard came out from the junior levels of the team and Drogba was bought from a foreign squad"

The football team analogy is hilarious by itself because it proves exactly the polytheistic origins of the people who manipulated biblical texts during the first centuries after Jesus (Peace and Blessings be upon him) arrived.

It's again the same, you are just picking up human examples from Adam (Peace and Blessings be upon him) and making God human with it

The who and what do not contradict for the what refers to the substance and the who refers to the particular and each particular contains the same Substance therefore are the same “WHAT”

Who: Drogba, Lampard and Abramovich
What: Chelsea who also happens to be Abramovich

(You like the emojis huh)

If you cut a piece of paper you don’t get 2 princes of paper you get one piece of paper that has been cut into 2… ultimately that piece of paper shares the same makeup and the distinction between the “2 pieces” is that they both have been separated but ultimately are of the same ontological existence and source.

Same infinite regress. The example as usual with every analogy that has to do with the trinity is ridiculous.

When you say the two papers have a "Distinction" you are admitting they are both different, period. There isn't any way around it.

The definition is: 'characteristic of one person or thing, and so serving to distinguish it from others.'

And it's irrelevant if the two papers have the same "Muh source of ontological existence". When they make socks from a piece of cotton NO ONE IN HIS SANE MIND says "Muh, they are the same sock, they come from the same source of cotton and wool". It just admitting again that you are a polytheist, and pretty much calling all human beings God because "Muh we came from the same source". For God's sake, you went from 3 Gods to more than 8 Billion, the Polytheism is increasing

Jews can call you monotheists I dunno why Muslims are so obsessed with this 16th century word that ironically perfectly includes Christian Trinitarianism in it because it was Christina’s who coined the term .

This is just a Red Herring fallacy, you are pretty much cornered and now need to resort to below the ground games. You were the one who started hanging on the jewish genitalia when you falsely claimed "Muh even jews and buddhists understand this concept", and then i debunked it.

And we are speaking english, the origin of the words Monotheism or Polytheism and from which languages they stem from to the end result in English is irrelevant to me. We use Tawhid and Shirk, we are not dependant upon your dumb constantly changing criteria.

It's amazing because i remember you said some time ago how "Muh Qur'an bad because it is revealed in Arabic to not get distorted and preserve the original meaning which is problematic for us christians", and the Qur'an predicts the kind of people like you who will just resort to any low level argument for the sake of pride

Allah says (Interpretation of the meaning): And if We had made it a non-Arabic Qur'an, they would have said, "Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?" Say, "It is, for those who believe, a guidance and cure." And those who do not believe - in their ears is deafness, and it is upon them blindness. Those are being called from a distant place.

Tawhid, yes your Allah has 99 attributes and an eternal Quran that isn’t Allah but not divorced from him . Imagine having such distinctions in Allah but then critiquing Christianity? @Thebuffdon690 @PsychoH

The Qur'an is the Speech of Allah. The Qur'an is uncreated as the Speech of Allah is.

And again, i see you looking for desperate validation as usual. We all know how to mention users to get approval in form of reacts from them even though you know they aren't going to read a single line.

Hey look, i can do it too
@emeraldglass @Gengar @JohnBaza @ryuken

Your heart surely must be pounding like a dog when you see someone having more reacts than you

the Islamic gods attributes don’t even possessed the same ontological existence as one and other and some are even dependent on one another in a sort of hierarchy for instance mercy is dependant on Allah being the creator for example but this raises another issue, if these and Allah are all equal to the eternal essense of Allah then that makes creation an eternal generation as if Allah isn’t creation then he cannot had always been the “crestor” and even if we were to collapse everything into his essence you still end up with everything created being equal to his essense leading to EVERYTHING ULTIMATELY BEING ALLAH.

This is when i know you have completely lost it, when you stop putting emojis together and start putting one by one after finishing a sentence .

Already explained above, here again. Debunked before i even reached this part, for God's sake

Your entire argument stems about the lack of any understanding (Normal coming from a judeo-christian) of what "Creation" entails. You are just trying to superimpose a definition of Creation to Islam (Probably without even realizing it but just copying and pasting) that entails that "Creation" is "Anything that comes from Nothing", or as defined on the dictionary "the action or process of bringing something into existence."

Islam does not adhere to such lacking definition, that could only come from deviated sects and religions.

In Islam, anything that Allah wills to exist through His command "Be" is under the umbrella of Creation and thus created.

Allah, in His Majesty says (Interpretation of the meaning): He is the One Who has originated the heavens and the earth, and when He wills to (originate) a thing, He only says to it: 'Be', and it becomes.

Take knowledge for example. Was it created? Or did it somehow "pop into existence? In our case, God gave us the knowledge.

Allah, in His Mercy and Wisdom, explains in many verses that he "Taught" us knowledge including writing, and that which entails knowledge, as He says in the REVELATION (Not created, but revealed) the next words (Interpretation of the meaning): "Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous.

Who has taught (the writing) by the pen.

He has taught man that which he knew not”

Allah says (Interpretation of the meaning): “Allâh will exalt in degree those of you who believe, and those who have been granted knowledge”

In another verse, Allah says about Khidr (Interpretation of the meaning): “Then they found one of Our slaves, unto whom We had bestowed mercy from Us, and whom We had taught knowledge from Us.”

Allah says (Interpretation of the meaning): “And they ask you (O Muhammad ﷺ) concerning the Ruh (the Soul). Say: ‘The Ruh (the Soul) is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little.’”

We affirm perfect, complete and comprehensive knowledge to Allah, and we negate any deficiency in the knowledge of Allah, while we humans possess deficiency and non complete hold of it due to ignorance, forgetfullness, lack of resources, pride and so on, like you so boldly and shamelessly demonstrate in each and every one of your comments time and time again.

I admit the paper analogy wasn’t the best

Yet you kept trying to save yourself using it instead of just recognizing the mistake. Showcases how your entire will is based on pride instead of an honest search for truth.

SO IMA USE SUNLIGHT
Consider sunlight passing through a prism. Sunlight is a single, unified light source, representing the essence of God. When this light shines through a prism, it reveals three distinct colors (for simplicity): red, green, and blue. These colors represent the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

That is almost sort of modalism. Also this is almost a heresy in your sect, because in reality the christian pantheon makes plain and clear The Father have a will and hold more power than the Son and the Holy Spirit

The New Testament states in John 14:26
"But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."

Your analogy is again, lacking and gets stumped upon by the dirty feet of the average shepard. You are basically saying that the Red light sends the Blue light in the name of the Green light, everything through the prism while they both share a same source. It's ridiculous, now you believe in 4 Gods again and created a whole new character . Better than believing in 8 Billion i guess, still Polytheism

• Counting by Division: Sunlight remains one and undivided as it goes through the prism, which reflects the one divine essence of God that is whole and unified. It doesn’t break into multiple “lights”; it remains one light source even as we see distinct expressions.

One/two lights can force the other to do something. There is also a fourth God who is the highest God in the Pantheon.

They are definetly not undivided. They possess different wills and needs, and they are submitted to a fourth God. You are an heretic on your own polytheistic faith.

• Counting by Identity: Red, green, and blue are three identifiable colors within the one light, each with a unique role. They are distinguishable, yet they exist as different manifestations of the same light source. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct in identity but share the same essence, like colors originating from one source.

They don't have a unique role. The Father is above them and even the Son is above the Spirit. It's a messed up pantheon.

The entire analogy goes against basic biblical teachings, and it is like that with EVERY-SINGLE-ANALOGY

No eveybody else gets it other than Muslims. I speak to every group even atheists and they ALL GET IT but Muslims are the only ones ALWAYS every TIME who never get it done project your peoples lack of understanding unto others.

Again appealing to your "Jewish" colleagues?? The same that keep calling you polytheists?? Go ahead, tell me now again about "Muh why are you clinging to a word with greek origins while you are speaking my language muh i got you buddy checkmate muh"

I doubt you even have friends except for the PM section on this trash hole quite frankly, let alone them agreeing with anything you said but that is a different story. At best, if you have any friends and they actually agree with you (Impossible), it's because they haven't opened a Bible in their entire life

 

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Already in the first example and already doing the ridicule. For God's sake can't you stop for once ashaming yourself in public??

EVERY-SINGLE-PROPHET in the Bible preached about One God, and there isn't a single mention by any prophet even REMOTELY CLOSE to any trinity or a God being different entities or persons at the same time. Muhammad preached monotheism, every Biblical prophet teaches CLEARLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY Tawhid, and they never make a single dirty mention towards any being or person being equal to God except it is considered some sort of blasphemy, and which is anyways completely unrelated to the christian trinitarian view of God.

Using the word "Echad" as a desperate try to justify your polytheism just showcased again the lack of honesty and moral integrity you possess

It doesn’t take any expert on hebrew, just a quick research on the usage of the word inside the Bible is enough to check it

-Genesis 2:21 And LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one (echad) of his ribs.

-How many ribs did God took?

Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one (echad) of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

-How many mountains did Abraham go to?

Exodus 25:19 And make one (echad) cherub on the one (different word) end and the other cherub on the other end.

-How many cherubs on one side?

Leviticus 16:5 And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for sin offering, and one (echad) ram for a burnt offering.

-How many rams?

"Of the 943 times, the word "echad" translated as "one," it is used to indicate a single character 901 times. In the remaining instances when it is involved in describing a group effort, it still means one."

Finally, light at the end of the tunnel. Imagine how weak and spiritually bankrupt your religion must be when you have to desperately (Again) say and resort to humanising and downgrading Him

Saying that God can't be close without taking a human form is insulting the teachings of the Prophets and even bible itself, but again, trinitarianism requires a WHOLE LOT of blasphemy to make barely any sense at all. Again, of course, stripping The All Powerful, All Mighty, from any sense of power and might to be able to reach His creation. Trinitarians try to present this disabled, crippled, limping and intelectually retarted version of God (A fake God clearly inspired by the devil himself towards the distorters of the teachings of Jesus) as if it was the standard way everyone around the globe understood Him, and then tell you "Look, someone this crippled can't walk on two legs without the help of a stick."

You are straight saying with a small mouth that "The Father" doesn’t have the power to be close to His creation if he doesn’t have a human form, which is straight contradicting and blaspheming biblical Old Testament teachings of Prophets

In the Bible, it is quoted that David said about "The Father", in Psalm 145:18:
"The Lord is near to all who call on him, to all who call on him in truth."

Allah answers using the most beautiful words and manners (Interpretation of the meaning): Indeed, ˹it is˺ We ˹Who˺ created humankind and ˹fully˺ know what their souls whisper to them, and We are closer to them than ˹their˺ jugular vein.

Here we go again with the last stand of philosophical ramblings to deviate attention in a usual desperate try. I'm starting to think (I always thought about it) that you just copy and paste this stuff, because knowing how your average normal conversation and intellectual level is, i doubt you barely hold any knowledge about all of these matters, let alone read any books except a small selection that fits your preconceived bias, and that's why you use terms like mohammedan so often. For the avid reader, it reflects where all your limited knowledge comes from.

Your entire argument stems about the lack of any understanding (Normal coming from a judeo-christian) of what "Creation" entails. You are just trying to superimpose a definition of Creation to Islam (Probably without even realizing it but just copying and pasting) that entails that "Creation" is "Anything that comes from Nothing", or as defined on the dictionary "the action or process of bringing something into existence."

Islam does not adhere to such lacking definition, that could only come from deviated sects and religions.

In Islam, anything that Allah wills to exist through His command "Be" is under the umbrella of Creation and thus created.

Allah, in His Majesty says (Interpretation of the meaning): He is the One Who has originated the heavens and the earth, and when He wills to (originate) a thing, He only says to it: 'Be', and it becomes.
Take knowledge for example. Was it created? Or did it somehow "pop into existence? In our case, God gave us the knowledge.

Allah, in His Mercy and Wisdom, explains in many verses that he "Taught" us knowledge including writing, and that which entails knowledge, as He says in the first verse ever REVEALED (Not created, but revealed) the next words (Interpretation of the meaning): "Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous.
Who has taught (the writing) by the pen.
He has taught man that which he knew not”
Allah says (Interpretation of the meaning): “Allâh will exalt in degree those of you who believe, and those who have been granted knowledge”

In another verse, Allah says about Khidr (Interpretation of the meaning): “Then they found one of Our slaves, unto whom We had bestowed mercy from Us, and whom We had taught knowledge from Us.”
Allah says (Interpretation of the meaning): “And they ask you (O Muhammad ﷺ) concerning the Ruh (the Soul). Say: ‘The Ruh (the Soul) is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little.’”
We affirm perfect, complete and comprehensive knowledge to Allah, and we negate any deficiency in the knowledge of Allah, while we humans possess deficiency and non complete hold of it due to ignorance, forgetfullness, lack of resources, pride and so on, like you so boldly and shamelessly demonstrate in each and every one of your comments time and time again.

More philosophical ramblings and sybarite close to made up concepts specifically to explain something that has not a SINGLE way out, again copied and pasted. It's like watching a group of train rails ending in the sea and you will just switch rails to live a few more seconds while knowing the inevitable end, scratching every inch of dirt for a lost cause.

You can try to makeup it however you want, there is no way around it.

"Conflating" (Hey look, emojis like you use, but at least mine express something and not just sheer desperation and begging for approval unlike yours) For God's sake! THEY ARE SUPPOSSED TO BE THE SAME!

The way you just infer "Muh we know it via revelation". DUMBASS, it's all because of the constant contradictory biblical narratives and "revelations", and look at you, trying to slither it smoothly as if no one will notice

A man can never be a God, Jesus can never be both Human and God, they both contradict eachother as much as you try to refer back to some sort of made up uniting spirit that makes both Son and Holy Spirit return to the essence of the Father, while at the same time the Son is a created being sitting in his right hand and always being differentiated from him, with even different wills, doubts that The Father does not hold, etc etc etc

You are basically just making God seem like a dirty football team and saying "Yeah, Lampard and Drogba are both Chelsea players so therefore they are both Chelsea, but the owner [Father] is Abramovich so he is Chelsea" and then act as if their wills and goals and objectives are constantly the same when the Bible proves over and over and over again that this is not the case, but then you hide yourself in a "Secret" or "Hidden" ultimate goal in which the three of them supposedly coincide (Without them even explicitly mentioning that goal, God forbid, your scholars will make up that goal for yourself so that God doesn’t get confused) and then act as if Drogba and Lampard didn't have their own goals like getting higher salaries, taking care of specific family members, other priorities in life completely different and contradictory to the will of both the owner and even the other player who want either to manage salaries more conservatively by barely or even not giving a damn share of importance about the goals of the rest, and as if one didn't have a higher hierarchy which by itself is and WILL ALWAYS BE A DIFFERENTIATING TERM.

"The same way Abramovich bought the team, Lampard came out from the junior levels of the team and Drogba was bought from a foreign squad"

The football team analogy is hilarious by itself because it proves exactly the polytheistic origins of the people who manipulated biblical texts during the first centuries after Jesus (Peace and Blessings be upon him) arrived.

It's again the same, you are just picking up human examples from Adam (Peace and Blessings be upon him) and making God human with it

Who: Drogba, Lampard and Abramovich
What: Chelsea who also happens to be Abramovich

(You like the emojis huh)

Same infinite regress. The example as usual with every analogy that has to do with the trinity is ridiculous.

When you say the two papers have a "Distinction" you are admitting they are both different, period. There isn't any way around it.

The definition is: 'characteristic of one person or thing, and so serving to distinguish it from others.'

And it's irrelevant if the two papers have the same "Muh source of ontological existence". When they make socks from a piece of cotton NO ONE IN HIS SANE MIND says "Muh, they are the same sock, they come from the same source of cotton and wool". It just admitting again that you are a polytheist, and pretty much calling all human beings God because "Muh we came from the same source". For God's sake, you went from 3 Gods to more than 8 Billion, the Polytheism is increasing

This is just a Red Herring fallacy, you are pretty much cornered and now need to resort to below the ground games. You were the one who started hanging on the jewish genitalia when you falsely claimed "Muh even jews and buddhists understand this concept", and then i debunked it.

And we are speaking english, the origin of the words Monotheism or Polytheism and from which languages they stem from to the end result in English is irrelevant to me. We use Tawhid and Shirk, we are not dependant upon your dumb constantly changing criteria.

It's amazing because i remember you said some time ago how "Muh Qur'an bad because it is revealed in Arabic to not get distorted and preserve the original meaning which is problematic for us christians", and the Qur'an predicts the kind of people like you who will just resort to any low level argument for the sake of pride

Allah says (Interpretation of the meaning): And if We had made it a non-Arabic Qur'an, they would have said, "Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?" Say, "It is, for those who believe, a guidance and cure." And those who do not believe - in their ears is deafness, and it is upon them blindness. Those are being called from a distant place.

The Qur'an is the Speech of Allah. The Qur'an is uncreated as the Speech of Allah is.

And again, i see you looking for desperate validation as usual. We all know how to mention users to get approval in form of reacts from them even though you know they aren't going to read a single line.

Hey look, i can do it too
@emeraldglass @Gengar @JohnBaza @ryuken

Your heart surely must be pounding like a dog when you see someone having more reacts than you

This is when i know you have completely lost it, when you stop putting emojis together and start putting one by one after finishing a sentence .

Already explained above, here again. Debunked before i even reached this part, for God's sake

Your entire argument stems about the lack of any understanding (Normal coming from a judeo-christian) of what "Creation" entails. You are just trying to superimpose a definition of Creation to Islam (Probably without even realizing it but just copying and pasting) that entails that "Creation" is "Anything that comes from Nothing", or as defined on the dictionary "the action or process of bringing something into existence."

Islam does not adhere to such lacking definition, that could only come from deviated sects and religions.

In Islam, anything that Allah wills to exist through His command "Be" is under the umbrella of Creation and thus created.

Allah, in His Majesty says (Interpretation of the meaning): He is the One Who has originated the heavens and the earth, and when He wills to (originate) a thing, He only says to it: 'Be', and it becomes.

Take knowledge for example. Was it created? Or did it somehow "pop into existence? In our case, God gave us the knowledge.

Allah, in His Mercy and Wisdom, explains in many verses that he "Taught" us knowledge including writing, and that which entails knowledge, as He says in the REVELATION (Not created, but revealed) the next words (Interpretation of the meaning): "Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous.

Who has taught (the writing) by the pen.

He has taught man that which he knew not”

Allah says (Interpretation of the meaning): “Allâh will exalt in degree those of you who believe, and those who have been granted knowledge”

In another verse, Allah says about Khidr (Interpretation of the meaning): “Then they found one of Our slaves, unto whom We had bestowed mercy from Us, and whom We had taught knowledge from Us.”

Allah says (Interpretation of the meaning): “And they ask you (O Muhammad ﷺ) concerning the Ruh (the Soul). Say: ‘The Ruh (the Soul) is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little.’”

We affirm perfect, complete and comprehensive knowledge to Allah, and we negate any deficiency in the knowledge of Allah, while we humans possess deficiency and non complete hold of it due to ignorance, forgetfullness, lack of resources, pride and so on, like you so boldly and shamelessly demonstrate in each and every one of your comments time and time again.



Yet you kept trying to save yourself using it instead of just recognizing the mistake. Showcases how your entire will is based on pride instead of an honest search for truth.

That is almost sort of modalism. Also this is almost a heresy in your sect, because in reality the christian pantheon makes plain and clear The Father have a will and hold more power than the Son and the Holy Spirit

The New Testament states in John 14:26
"But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."

Your analogy is again, lacking and gets stumped upon by the dirty feet of the average shepard. You are basically saying that the Red light sends the Blue light in the name of the Green light, everything through the prism while they both share a same source. It's ridiculous, now you believe in 4 Gods again and created a whole new character . Better than believing in 8 Billion i guess, still Polytheism

One/two lights can force the other to do something. There is also a fourth God who is the highest God in the Pantheon.

They are definetly not undivided. They possess different wills and needs, and they are submitted to a fourth God. You are an heretic on your own polytheistic faith.

They don't have a unique role. The Father is above them and even the Son is above the Spirit. It's a messed up pantheon.

The entire analogy goes against basic biblical teachings, and it is like that with EVERY-SINGLE-ANALOGY

Again appealing to your "Jewish" colleagues?? The same that keep calling you polytheists?? Go ahead, tell me now again about "Muh why are you clinging to a word with greek origins while you are speaking my language muh i got you buddy checkmate muh"

I doubt you even have friends except for the PM section on this trash hole quite frankly, let alone them agreeing with anything you said but that is a different story. At best, if you have any friends and they actually agree with you (Impossible), it's because they haven't opened a Bible in their entire life

@PsychoH @Thebuffdon690 see how the Mohammeden seeks to strawman me like the demon follower he is.

Ima reply to every point (EVERY ONE) tonight or tomorrow he’s LUCKY I’m very busy today (in the gym rn) but I’ll give you a taster that Allah is not God

ALLAH CONDONES REMARRYING EX WIFE HATES AND VIEWS DISGUSTING

Deuteronomy 24:1-4 if a man divorced a woman and married somebody else and the 2nd husband dies or divorced her the first husband cannot take her back because gods disgusted by it.



Sura til bakura 2:230 when a man divorced a woman he cannot take her back until she married another man and he divorced her that’s why the man’s called Muhalil (the one that makes her lawful for her to go back to her husband)


The god of Mo Mo is a demon and not god but I’ll expose the Baal larpers who kiss black stone

 

[PsychoH]

@PsychoH @Thebuffdon690 see how the Mohammeden seeks to strawman me like the demon follower he is.

Ima reply to every point (EVERY ONE) tonight or tomorrow he’s LUCKY I’m very busy today (in the gym rn) but I’ll give you a taster that Allah is not God

ALLAH CONDONES REMARRYING EX WIFE HATES AND VIEWS DISGUSTING

Deuteronomy 24:1-4 if a man divorced a woman and married somebody else and the 2nd husband dies or divorced her the first husband cannot take her back because gods disgusted by it.



Sura til bakura 2:230 when a man divorced a woman he cannot take her back until she married another man and he divorced her that’s why the man’s called Muhalil (the one that makes her lawful for her to go back to her husband)


The god of Mo Mo is a demon and not god but I’ll expose the Baal larpers who kiss black stone

bro MIGHT be Christian Prince.

 

[Thebuffdon690]

@PsychoH @Thebuffdon690 see how the Mohammeden seeks to strawman me like the demon follower he is.

Ima reply to every point (EVERY ONE) tonight or tomorrow he’s LUCKY I’m very busy today (in the gym rn) but I’ll give you a taster that Allah is not God

ALLAH CONDONES REMARRYING EX WIFE HATES AND VIEWS DISGUSTING

Deuteronomy 24:1-4 if a man divorced a woman and married somebody else and the 2nd husband dies or divorced her the first husband cannot take her back because gods disgusted by it.



Sura til bakura 2:230 when a man divorced a woman he cannot take her back until she married another man and he divorced her that’s why the man’s called Muhalil (the one that makes her lawful for her to go back to her husband)


The god of Mo Mo is a demon and not god but I’ll expose the Baal larpers who kiss black stone

It’s his job to lie and gaslight he’s not just gonna stop lol

Just leave it. These demons thrive off attention it’s best not to give them any

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

bro MIGHT be Christian Prince.

Don’t compare me to that evangelical muppet. I learnt from Sam Shamoun and I learnt philosophy from Jay dyer.

It’s his job to lie and gaslight he’s not just gonna stop lol

Just leave it. These demons thrive off attention it’s best not to give them any

No I’ll destroy the followers of the Mohammed cult why leave it here. That means the worshippers of satan will believe thy have won. The God of Islam is Baal Hamoun they run around 3 mountains like the pagans of old did and kiss the black stone like pagan Arabs even Muslims admit this lol @ mohammedens and they have the nerve to say we are polytheists. The fucking nerve of these Pagan heathens

 

[MaghrebGator]

Don’t compare me to that evangelical muppet. I learnt from Sam Shamoun and I learnt philosophy from Jay dyer.


No I’ll destroy the followers of the Mohammed cult why leave it here. That means the worshippers of satan will believe thy have won. The God of Islam is Baal Hamoun they run around 3 mountains like the pagans of old did and kiss the black stone like pagan Arabs even Muslims admit this lol @ mohammedens and they have the nerve to say we are polytheists. The fucking nerve of these Pagan heathens

Just don't forget that the christian Jesus loves you and your philistine skins. If you want to play the copy and paste game we'll do it, don't worry.

"Jesus loves you "

1 Samuel 18:25
“He told them, “Tell David that all I want for the bride price is 100 Philistine foreskins!“”

Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

1 Samuel 6:11
And they laid the ark of the LORD upon the cart, and the coffer with the mice of gold and the images of their hemorrhoids.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12
If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Just don't forget that the christian Jesus loves you and your philistine skins. If you want to play the copy and paste game we'll do it, don't worry.

"Jesus loves you "

1 Samuel 18:25
“He told them, “Tell David that all I want for the bride price is 100 Philistine foreskins!“”

Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

1 Samuel 6:11
And they laid the ark of the LORD upon the cart, and the coffer with the mice of gold and the images of their hemorrhoids.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12
If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

I see nothing wrong with this

Christian’s and Jews are not told that every prophet is sinless and pure.

Here’s another one to add did you know GOD almost killed Moses for not circumcising his child.


Point being none of this is upsetting or shocking but did you also know once David took those foreskins that god told him off and said “you have spilled much blood you shalt not create an temple in my name” so god tells him off for it

What you wrote would be shocking and upsetting for a Muslim even contradict and raise questions for your kind. But for me? For a Jew? This proves everything that’s written is the truth for the bible tells you what HAPPENED it doesn’t care if it’s good bad or ugly but just tells you the facts.

Here’s another one, Lots daughters got him drunk and raped him.

As you can see I am unfazed and don’t care one bit about any of this

And yes the final one says to slay the woman for she is trying to kill the man’s lineage. If we still had that law in the secularist Gaytheietic west today maybe whores would stop trying to fight and kick men in the balls.

@Thebuffdon690 @PsychoH see how the mohammedens try to push their own presupposition and silly superstitions onto us

Anyways read this
It was narrated that Abu Sa'eed Al-Khudri said: "It was said: 'O Messenger of Allah, you perform Wudu' from the well into which the bodies of dogs, menstrual rags and garbage are thrown?' He said: 'Water is pure and it is not made impure by anything.'"


Sahih al-Bukhari 230
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked `Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "


Sahih al-Bukhari 3295
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night."

The Holy Prophet’s (S.A.W) saliva was a cure for the injured and sick, as well as an antidote against poison.

Blessed Saliva

So many more from this fantastical book, I’m embarrassed by 0 of what you wrote you Mohammeden but brother ask yourself can you stand with a Str8 face and not be embarrassed with your prophet for this?

 

[JohnBaza]

bruh why you niggas debating again about religions

 

[MaghrebGator]

I see nothing wrong with this

Of course you don't Just like you didn't see nothing wrong with this

Debunking "Children go to hell" thread by @mayomogger

Islam is the only religion that guarantees paradise for children and has clear text for it, contrary to Christianity and Judaism. There are 2 main views, one which is the most preponderant amongst scholars is that ALL CHILDREN will go to paradise. And the other one which is less accepted by...

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Christian’s and Jews are not told that every prophet is sinless and pure.

Heck, they aren't just not sinless. They are literally some of the worst to roam on earth as according to the Judeo-Christian narrative, almost as if it was made on purpose... I wonder who wants to make all the Prophets look bad on purpose...

Hey look i'm going to tag people like you do @emeraldglass @bndar.337

https://looksmax.org/threads/mocker...ssengers-in-judaism-and-christianity.1158517/

Here’s another one to add did you know GOD almost killed Moses for not circumcising his child.

For the standards the Biblical God has (Given by the distorters of the Bible, inspired by Satan), that is pretty much one of the most merciful things he has done

Point being none of this is upsetting or shocking

I mean, for someone like you it's not. You already defended the killing of babies and animals in the Bible. Anything up from there is already a moral upgrade because you can't sink lower than that.

Debunking "Children go to hell" thread by @mayomogger

Islam is the only religion that guarantees paradise for children and has clear text for it, contrary to Christianity and Judaism. There are 2 main views, one which is the most preponderant amongst scholars is that ALL CHILDREN will go to paradise. And the other one which is less accepted by...

looksmax.org

but did you also know once David took those foreskins that god told him off and said “you have spilled much blood you shalt not create an temple in my name” so god tells him off for it

I can't believe you are actually using this argument

Literally the biblical David brought 200 foreskins instead of the 100 he was asked for. The man was an overachiever.

1 Samuel 18:27
David arose and went, along with his men, and killed two hundred of the Philistines. And David brought their foreskins, which were given in full number to the king, that he might become the king's son-in-law. And Saul gave him his daughter Michal for a wife.

The verse you mention is in Chronicles and has absolutely nothing to do with that story, you just picked up a singular story and tried to adhere to it a desperate last attempt narrative

All he was "Punished" with was to not build the temple because he was warrior so he was unworthy of building it, and in the exact next verse the biblical David says

1 Chronicles 28:4
“Yet the LORD, the God of Israel, chose me from my whole family to be king over Israel forever. He chose Judah as leader, and from the tribe of Judah he chose my family, and from my father’s sons he was pleased to make me king over all Israel.

What a "punishment"

What you wrote would be shocking and upsetting for a Muslim even contradict and raise questions for your kind. But for me? For a Jew? This proves everything that’s written is the truth for the bible tells you what HAPPENED it doesn’t care if it’s good bad or ugly but just tells you the facts.

It doesn’t proof anything except that a group of people 3000 years ago picked up every revelation of an All Merciful and Just God and distorted it in every possible way to fit the interests of their tribe and nation

"Muh it's the bare truth dude, we have nothing to hide". Yeah we know you have nothing to hide, you child killers. Everyone just saw you butcher the babies of the amalakites, what are you going to hide??? All you can do is justify it desperately

Here’s another one, Lots daughters got him drunk and raped him.

Already mentioned, don't worry. You don't have to convince us that the Bible tries to present the Prophets and Messengers in the worst lights possible

Mockery of the Prophets and Messengers in Judaism and Christianity

One of the arguments for Islam is that all the Prophets are sinless unless for rare ocassions in which they sought repentance afterwards setting an example for the rest of mankind as the most pious people to follow. However, the Bible, confirming the Islamic narrative that it is corrupted by...

looksmax.org

As you can see I am unfazed and don’t care one bit about any of this

Obviously. It's either having no shame at all to not admit you are ridiculously wrong and crossed all moral and logical boundaries, or admit you're wrong. Of course, it was expected from a character of your caliber to chose the former rather than the latter.

And yes the final one says to slay the woman for she is trying to kill the man’s lineage. If we still had that law in the secularist Gaytheietic west today maybe whores would stop trying to fight and kick men in the balls.

A poor woman defends her husband by all possible means during an emotional confrontation while she is seeing him getting smashed, and all the average judeo christian can think off is how to sentence her and cut her limbs. Yup, sounds like Judeo-Christianity to me.

@Thebuffdon690 @PsychoH see how the mohammedens try to push their own presupposition and silly superstitions onto us

Didn't even mention something outside of the Bible

Again mentioning users for that good old positive reinforcement. Here, have some more support, come on little buddy, yes you can boy, go ahead small Prince

Anyways read this
It was narrated that Abu Sa'eed Al-Khudri said: "It was said: 'O Messenger of Allah, you perform Wudu' from the well into which the bodies of dogs, menstrual rags and garbage are thrown?' He said: 'Water is pure and it is not made impure by anything.'"

Usual and expected from a Judeo-Christian. Switching from the most immoral blood acts in his books to a hadith about the purity of a specific well.

In that well in specific, water was abundant enough that it did not change the 3 characteristics that make water impure in Islam. The three characteristics are taste, smell and colour. If that is unchanged, then the water is considered pure, as the Prophet specifies on the hadith as it being pure.

It's pretty much the same as if someone asked "Are you going to wash from that lake in which people urinate??" and someone says "The water i'm using is clean and untouched from that"

I guess from now on with your new sybarite standards, you are going to avoid swimming on the beach or pool, because people urinate there. Now you, as a judeo-christian, believe that the massacres of the babies of the amalakites are ok, but at least you don't swim in a swimming pool in which people might have urinated. Such an upgrade for someone like you, our little sick freak.

Sahih al-Bukhari 230
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked `Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "

Washed his clothes after getting dirty and that's about it. Nothing special here.

Meanwhile on christianity

"A bitched shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:2)

Sahih al-Bukhari 3295
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night."

So?? Nothing remotely special here. We believe that the metaphysical world interacts with the physical world in different forms, and we take such advise. By that same criteria, you are basically putting yourself at the same level of non religious people who criticize religious people for uttering words in prayer without an immediate physical result, as if they are mocking the metaphysical aspect of religion.

Meanwhile, your "God" and Prophets are busy with this

2 Kings 2:23-24
"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys."

You like the emojis huh

The Holy Prophet’s (S.A.W) saliva was a cure for the injured and sick, as well as an antidote against poison.

Blessed Saliva

The Prophet's saliva was used during Ruqyah. Nothing to be even closely or remotely ashamed off at all as it was used in such event, especially considering it was (Again) related with something that connected the physical with the metaphysical world (Jinn possession). We do not consider it some sort of cure or panacea, contrary to Christianity which still goes around

It was narrated that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to read in his Ruqya, "In the Name of Allah" The earth of our land and the saliva of some of us cure our patient with the permission of our Lord." with a slight shower of saliva) while treating with a Ruqya.

The balls as a christian to even have any shame to bring this subject when you literally proudly consume what you call "The blood and flesh of Jesus"

In Christianity, God requires commemoration of the human sacrifice through a cannibalistic Eucharist ritual, where Christians consume the literal blood and flesh of Jesus. Indeed, this explicit cannibalism represents the highest and most sacred Christian ritual. In Islam, consuming human blood and flesh is considered an impure and immoral act.

So many more from this fantastical book, I’m embarrassed by 0 of what you wrote you Mohammeden but brother ask yourself can you stand with a Str8 face and not be embarrassed with your prophet for this?

How do you even have the face to show yourself in this forum and thread after all the intellectual beatings i'm giving you over and over and over again in front of everybody?

It's almost like you have too much free time, low testosterone and too much pride and hatred for truth, or that you are some sort of fed, huh...

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Of course you don't Just like you didn't see nothing wrong with this

Debunking "Children go to hell" thread by @mayomogger

Islam is the only religion that guarantees paradise for children and has clear text for it, contrary to Christianity and Judaism. There are 2 main views, one which is the most preponderant amongst scholars is that ALL CHILDREN will go to paradise. And the other one which is less accepted by...

looksmax.org

Heck, they aren't just not sinless. They are literally some of the worst to roam on earth as according to the Judeo-Christian narrative, almost as if it was made on purpose... I wonder who wants to make all the Prophets look bad on purpose...

Hey look i'm going to tag people like you do @emeraldglass @bndar.337

https://looksmax.org/threads/mocker...ssengers-in-judaism-and-christianity.1158517/

For the standards the Biblical God has (Given by the distorters of the Bible, inspired by Satan), that is pretty much one of the most merciful things he has done


I mean, for someone like you it's not. You already defended the killing of babies and animals in the Bible. Anything up from there is already a moral upgrade because you can't sink lower than that.

Debunking "Children go to hell" thread by @mayomogger

Islam is the only religion that guarantees paradise for children and has clear text for it, contrary to Christianity and Judaism. There are 2 main views, one which is the most preponderant amongst scholars is that ALL CHILDREN will go to paradise. And the other one which is less accepted by...

looksmax.org

I can't believe you are actually using this argument

Literally the biblical David brought 200 foreskins instead of the 100 he was asked for. The man was an overachiever.

1 Samuel 18:27
David arose and went, along with his men, and killed two hundred of the Philistines. And David brought their foreskins, which were given in full number to the king, that he might become the king's son-in-law. And Saul gave him his daughter Michal for a wife.

The verse you mention is in Chronicles and has absolutely nothing to do with that story, you just picked up a singular story and tried to adhere to it a desperate last attempt narrative

All he was "Punished" with was to not build the temple because he was warrior so he was unworthy of building it, and in the exact next verse the biblical David says

1 Chronicles 28:4
“Yet the LORD, the God of Israel, chose me from my whole family to be king over Israel forever. He chose Judah as leader, and from the tribe of Judah he chose my family, and from my father’s sons he was pleased to make me king over all Israel.

What a "punishment"

It doesn’t proof anything except that a group of people 3000 years ago picked up every revelation of an All Merciful and Just God and distorted it in every possible way to fit the interests of their tribe and nation

"Muh it's the bare truth dude, we have nothing to hide". Yeah we know you have nothing to hide, you child killers. Everyone just saw you butcher the babies of the amalakites, what are you going to hide??? All you can do is justify it desperately

Already mentioned, don't worry. You don't have to convince us that the Bible tries to present the Prophets and Messengers in the worst lights possible

Mockery of the Prophets and Messengers in Judaism and Christianity

One of the arguments for Islam is that all the Prophets are sinless unless for rare ocassions in which they sought repentance afterwards setting an example for the rest of mankind as the most pious people to follow. However, the Bible, confirming the Islamic narrative that it is corrupted by...

looksmax.org

Obviously. It's either having no shame at all to not admit you are ridiculously wrong and crossed all moral and logical boundaries, or admit you're wrong. Of course, it was expected from a character of your caliber to chose the former rather than the latter.

A poor woman defends her husband by all possible means during an emotional confrontation while she is seeing him getting smashed, and all the average judeo christian can think off is how to sentence her and cut her limbs. Yup, sounds like Judeo-Christianity to me.

Didn't even mention something outside of the Bible

Again mentioning users for that good old positive reinforcement. Here, have some more support, come on little buddy, yes you can boy, go ahead small Prince

Usual and expected from a Judeo-Christian. Switching from the most immoral blood acts in his books to a hadith about the purity of a specific well.

In that well in specific, water was abundant enough that it did not change the 3 characteristics that make water impure in Islam. The three characteristics are taste, smell and colour. If that is unchanged, then the water is considered pure, as the Prophet specifies on the hadith as it being pure.

It's pretty much the same as if someone asked "Are you going to wash from that lake in which people urinate??" and someone says "The water i'm using is clean and untouched from that"

I guess from now on with your new sybarite standards, you are going to avoid swimming on the beach or pool, because people urinate there. Now you, as a judeo-christian, believe that the massacres of the babies of the amalakites are ok, but at least you don't swim in a swimming pool in which people might have urinated. Such an upgrade for someone like you, our little sick freak.

Washed his clothes after getting dirty and that's about it. Nothing special here.

Meanwhile on christianity

"A bitched shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:2)

So?? Nothing remotely special here. We believe that the metaphysical world interacts with the physical world in different forms, and we take such advise. By that same criteria, you are basically putting yourself at the same level of non religious people who criticize religious people for uttering words in prayer without an immediate physical result, as if they are mocking the metaphysical aspect of religion.

Meanwhile, your "God" and Prophets are busy with this

2 Kings 2:23-24
"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys."

You like the emojis huh

The Prophet's saliva was used during Ruqyah. Nothing to be even closely or remotely ashamed off at all as it was used in such event, especially considering it was (Again) related with something that connected the physical with the metaphysical world (Jinn possession). We do not consider it some sort of cure or panacea, contrary to Christianity which still goes around

It was narrated that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to read in his Ruqya, "In the Name of Allah" The earth of our land and the saliva of some of us cure our patient with the permission of our Lord." with a slight shower of saliva) while treating with a Ruqya.

The balls as a christian to even have any shame to bring this subject when you literally proudly consume what you call "The blood and flesh of Jesus"

In Christianity, God requires commemoration of the human sacrifice through a cannibalistic Eucharist ritual, where Christians consume the literal blood and flesh of Jesus. Indeed, this explicit cannibalism represents the highest and most sacred Christian ritual. In Islam, consuming human blood and flesh is considered an impure and immoral act.


How do you even have the face to show yourself in this forum and thread after all the intellectual beatings i'm giving you over and over and over again in front of everybody?

It's almost like you have too much free time, low testosterone and too much pride and hatred for truth, or that you are some sort of fed, huh...

Why are your giving me 2 massive things to reply 2? Pagans these days man lol.


The Bible tells you what happened with no basis no alterior motive this is what historians would call an “Valid unbiased account” unlike your book which seeks to alter change and distort reality to placate the feelings of others


The Jews love Moses and King David what retarded fool would believe for a moment that they’d corrupt distort and change these teachings to negatively portray an image of these great men these people value and love today? Only those who have been lied to by Mohammed and his Cultists would ever say such a ludicrous thing

But what do we expect when even your Hadiths say they have to be written by Muslims once again showing biases in your own narrative

Animals died for God loves humans so much but his justice means that something must take the place of human sin for to sin == death. I know Allah is NOT JUST in any way for your god says on day of judgement Jews and Christian’s will take the place of Muslims in hell. And speaking about women doesn’t your book say women are a bountiful garden to sow? Yeah go tell your mother that see how happy she is but then again your Islamic heaven is a glorified Brothel

Muslim (2767) narrated that Abu Moosa said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “When the Day of Resurrection comes, Allah will give every Muslim a Jew or a Christian, and He will say: This is your ransom from the Fire.”

Muslim also narrated (2767) from Abu Burdah that he told ‘Umar ibn ‘Abd al-‘Azeez, from his father, that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “No Muslim man dies but Allah causes a Jew or a Christian to enter the Fire in his stead.” ‘Umar ibn ‘Abd al-‘Azeez asked him to swear by Allah, besides Whom there is no other god, three times that his father narrated that to him from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), and he swore to him.


WHAT A JUST AND GLORIOUS GOD THESE MOHAMMEDANS WORSHIP @Thebuffdon690 @PsychoH they have the nerve to criticise a practice that god left as early as Cain and Abel more proof that Allah is Baal larping as God. So much for nobody bearing the sins of another person bullshit Muslims love to throw around when Christian’s speak about Jesus conquering our sins.

btw psalm 137:9 is a prayer… god isn’t the one smashing heads it’s a prayer about Jews in slavery. Here’s the irony the region where they mention about cliff faces to smash babies rocks doesn’t HAVE CLIFF ROCK FACES TO SMASH BABIES HEADS IN SO ITS HYPERBOLE. Even SLAVES HAVE MORE MODESTY THAN MOHAMMED


Didn’t your Allah destroy Sodom? Hmm weren’t their babies in Soddom? So I guess you’re now exposing Allah as a disgusting false deity. Thank you there’s one god YHWH

Sura 4:24 you can enslave MARRIED WOMEN who stilll have their husband alike and have sex with them lol . Sura 4:34 you can beat your widens you FEEL yes FEEEL LIKE SHE IS BEING DISLOYAL .

(4:34) Men are the protec-tors and maintainers of women56 because Allah has made one of them excel over the other,57 and because they spend out of their possessions (to support them). Thus righteous women are obedient and guard the rights of men in their absence under Allah's protection.58 As for women of whom you fear rebellion, admonish them, and remain apart from them in beds, and beat them.59 Then if they obey you, do not seek ways to harm them. Allah is Exalted, Great.


MASHALLAH Deuteronomy 23:2 some laws God passed down in the Bible are for Israel as a nation, not Israel as a church. What God banned illegitimate offspring from wasn’t the church, it was public office. So a ‘bastard’ was welcome into the nation of Israel, and welcome into the Church; he could hold a job, be well-respected in the community, even become a Jew if he wanted. He just couldn’t hold public office. If interpreted the way you say it which is an fault of KJV translation admittedly then Jesus (born of one parent and marry wasn’t married before he was conceived) was a bastard and unliable to


WHEN I SAY DAVID WAS “punished” I mean god made it clear he didn’t approve of it and thus didn’t let him build a temple in his name for a while. That’s what I mean.

The children part where the bears come out it’s translated wrong they weren’t kids but adolescents who were disrespecting gods messenger, his Son, and openly saying they didn’t care about god, his message and were openly being defiant and telling him to go. So they were punished that simple.

Now let’s talk about Mohammed ordering 2 female slaves to be killed because their master used to mock Mohammed and make his slaves join In on it once he got power

"Another [to be killed] was Abdullah Khatal of B. Taym b. Ghalib. He had become a Muslim and the apostle sent him to collect the poor tax in company with one of the Ansar. He had with him a freed slave who served him. (He was Muslim). When they halted he ordered the latter to kill a goat for him and prepare some food, and went to sleep. When he woke up the man had done nothing, so he attacked and killed him and apostatized. He had two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed with him."

What a nice pious man. Ordering 2 defenceless slave girls to be killed for singing satirical songs about the worlds greatest PDFile .


Now for the brutal Send off for all Mohammedans.

Mohammed liked not only little girls but boys also

16848. Narrated Mu'awiyah: "I saw the Messenger of Allah suck his tongue or he said: his lip, meaning that of al-Hasan ibn Ali, peace be upon him-and no
tongue or lips that have been sucked by the
Messenger of Allah = will be tormented (in Hell)."

Yes that’s right keep sucking on little hassans tongue .


To compare you idiots fighting over wudu water which as we already discussed was dirty and full of menstrual blood and dead dogs which you ignored but the text says what it says and so does the Hadith Mohammed claim to have purified it because all water is pure even with that shir in there. Go follow your Sunna and drink that water like your prophets followers did over his Wudu water

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 188:

Narrated Ibn Shihab:
Mahmud bin Ar-Rabi' who was the person on whose face the Prophet had ejected a mouthful of water from his family's well while he was a boy, and 'Urwa (on the authority of Al-Miswar and others) who testified each other, said, "Whenever the Prophet , performed ablution, his companions were nearly fighting for the remains of the water."

Mashallah again. Deuteronomy 23:2 refers to not allowing barstards to sully the purity of Isreal. The same way Ishmael was a Barstsrd child of a Slave who had to run away to Saudi Arabia lol


And don’t compare the Eucharist to this shit, the Eucharist was hinted at as early as genesis 14 with the priest of Melkizadek and is bread and wine which is transformed into flesh and blood via gods energies, it’s a holy mystery of god. You can’t claim we are “Cannibals” when we view Jesus as Literally GOD, if he wasn’t then sure but we view him as such so from our worldview paradigm you FAILED miserably here nice try but you failed.

In Islam you guys have no temple, no priesthood no sacrifice no alter and no continuity


But hey let’s not stop here
Your book confirms my book 5:46-47 (isa confirims Torah and Injeel) 3:3 (confirming what came before Torah and gospel so we Christian supposedly can look to what came before to validate Quran)
2:89(Old testament confirming the Quran)
2:91-3(hold firmly to the securities [torah])

It’s over for you and no it cannot be corrupted because 61:8(they seek to distinguish Allahs light with mouths but fail) and 18:27 (Allahs word cannot be changed)

So the Bible cannot be corrupted but let’s say it’s lost you may say? Well nope won’t cut it because

Sura 21:105: And We have already written in the book [of Psalms] after the [previous mention that the land [of Paradise] is inherited by My righteous servants. psalm 37:29


Sura 5:45 (life for life nose for nose tooth for tooth wounds)

Exidus 21:23-25 life for life eye for eye tooth for tooth)


So your book CRIBS from mine proving mine is legit and I don’t even have to bring up the Codex Sinaticus, Vacticanus or Alexadrius or Dead Sea scrolls I can use your stupid book to confirm mine but you know what mine says about Islam and Mohammed?


Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Your Jibreel is a DEMON LOLL

Matthew 7:15-20
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so,every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.



Look at the life of Mohammed he stole his adopted sons wife, cursed a little kid, couldn’t even follow his own rules so had sex slaves fucked one on Zaynabs birthday and had 11 wives. What a great man truly


Anyways I enjoy debating you ngl I enjoy the challenge

 

[xloks]

Don’t compare me to that evangelical muppet. I learnt from Sam Shamoun and I learnt philosophy from Jay dyer.


No I’ll destroy the followers of the Mohammed cult why leave it here. That means the worshippers of satan will believe thy have won. The God of Islam is Baal Hamoun they run around 3 mountains like the pagans of old did and kiss the black stone like pagan Arabs even Muslims admit this lol @ mohammedens and they have the nerve to say we are polytheists. The fucking nerve of these Pagan heathens

w jay dyer

 

[antrax]

I see nothing wrong with this

Christian’s and Jews are not told that every prophet is sinless and pure.

Here’s another one to add did you know GOD almost killed Moses for not circumcising his child.


Point being none of this is upsetting or shocking but did you also know once David took those foreskins that god told him off and said “you have spilled much blood you shalt not create an temple in my name” so god tells him off for it

What you wrote would be shocking and upsetting for a Muslim even contradict and raise questions for your kind. But for me? For a Jew? This proves everything that’s written is the truth for the bible tells you what HAPPENED it doesn’t care if it’s good bad or ugly but just tells you the facts.

Here’s another one, Lots daughters got him drunk and raped him.

As you can see I am unfazed and don’t care one bit about any of this

And yes the final one says to slay the woman for she is trying to kill the man’s lineage. If we still had that law in the secularist Gaytheietic west today maybe whores would stop trying to fight and kick men in the balls.

@Thebuffdon690 @PsychoH see how the mohammedens try to push their own presupposition and silly superstitions onto us

Anyways read this
It was narrated that Abu Sa'eed Al-Khudri said: "It was said: 'O Messenger of Allah, you perform Wudu' from the well into which the bodies of dogs, menstrual rags and garbage are thrown?' He said: 'Water is pure and it is not made impure by anything.'"


Sahih al-Bukhari 230
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked `Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "


Sahih al-Bukhari 3295
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night."

The Holy Prophet’s (S.A.W) saliva was a cure for the injured and sick, as well as an antidote against poison.

Blessed Saliva

So many more from this fantastical book, I’m embarrassed by 0 of what you wrote you Mohammeden but brother ask yourself can you stand with a Str8 face and not be embarrassed with your prophet for this?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

What’s the point of this response?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

w jay dyer

Jay is the greatest destroyer of Gaythiesm.

Richard Dawkins and Cosmic skeptic would be put to sleep if they debates him.

Instead they pick of Jordan Peterson who isn’t very good at rhetoric.

@MaghrebGator has given up clearly he is weak and cannot handle the mogger, just like Islam will fall one day so he too has fallen. @Thebuffdon690

@King Solomon take notes this is how you destroy evicerate and anally rupture the anus of the most obviously false religion.

 

[Thebuffdon690]

Jay is the greatest destroyer of Gaythiesm.

Richard Dawkins and Cosmic skeptic would be put to sleep if they debates him.

Instead they pick of Jordan Peterson who isn’t very good at rhetoric.

@MaghrebGator has given up clearly he is weak and cannot handle the mogger, just like Islam will fall one day so he too has fallen. @Thebuffdon690

@King Solomon take notes this is how you destroy evicerate and anally rupture the anus of the most obviously false religion.

Good work, keep going. I expect to see 0 converts to Islam by the end of this century because of you

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Good work, keep going. I expect to see 0 converts to Islam by the end of this century because of you

Imagine following a pedo, a man who couldn’t even follow his own rules and married 11 women, cursed a orphan child, allowed men to rape women, was a slave master, a caravan raider, washed in water with menstrual fluid and dead dogs, and had convienent revelations such as him saying all are called to johad then when a blind man said he’d do jihad but he’s blind Mohammed then said “except those who cannot due to physical issues” what convenient revelations

Honestly anybody who converts after reading the Hadiths and that gnostic fables is worthy of going to hell imo like how braindead does one need to be. No sympathy from me those converts are truly the most dispicable beings in the world

 

[Thebuffdon690]

Imagine following a pedo, a man who couldn’t even follow his own rules and married 11 women, cursed a orphan child, allowed men to rape women, was a slave master, a caravan raider, washed in water with menstrual fluid and dead dogs, and had convienent revelations such as him saying all are called to johad then when a blind man said he’d do jihad but he’s blind Mohammed then said “except those who cannot due to physical issues” what convenient revelations

Honestly anybody who converts after reading the Hadiths and that gnostic fables is worthy of going to hell imo like how braindead does one need to be. No sympathy from me those converts are truly the most dispicable beings in the world

You forgot he cut peoples limbs for stealing his camels lol and leaving Islam

Also cut some dudes dick off even though he was innocent

Tongue kisses his cousin or nephew or some shit

Also sucked his nephews dick

Abused his 9 year old wife

Massacred all of the dogs in Arabia

Stoned monkeys

List goes on…

 

[MaghrebGator]

@MaghrebGator has given up clearly he is weak and cannot handle the mogger, just like Islam will fall one day so he too has fallen.

Personally, i just invite everyone to just read our entire interactions and see who has "given up".

All you pretty much did was red herring repeatedly instead of simply addressing the several subjects, and even skipped some of the most elaborated comments i made in that attempt. A reflection of your mental weakness product of traumatic life failures and a deep inferiority complex.

I'll just leave it for everyone to just read the entire thread, and judge by themselves confident in my performance, instead of claiming artificial victory while you falsely claim you are just a truth seeker, and instead of like you fictionally have to resort to while mentioning different people to feel a fake positive reinforcement because otherwise you'll get an anxiety attack

@emeraldglass @Gengar @JohnDoe @JohnBaza @bndar.337

Don't worry guys i'm just tagging you because it's funny seeing him having a breakdown. No need to respond and whatnot.

I'll aso tag @SubhumanCurrycel because he is interested in these subjects, and invite him to read and judge for himself.

Why are your giving me 2 massive things to reply 2? Pagans these days man lol.

Because you gave me massive "things" to reply to.

Polytheists these days man.

The Bible tells you what happened with no basis no alterior motive this is what historians would call an “Valid unbiased account” unlike your book which seeks to alter change and distort reality to placate the feelings of others

Nope. The Bible especially in it's most distorted and manipulated parts, is merely a justification of the actions (As immoral as they recognizably are) of, usually, a specific chosen tribe or person that can't somehow stop themselves from constantly commiting the worst possible sins imaginable even within the best they can give including prophets. A book that can't even say the same account of a single event, within a few words and phrases of distance in it's most important events.

A book in which the first pages you open there are insulting contradictions. Take a look for example at the constant contradictory accounts of the resurrection

Was Jesus body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?

• Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)

• No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus) (Mark 16: 1)

When did the women buy the spices?

• After the Sabbath was past (Mark 16:1)

• Before the Sabbath. The women prepared spices and ointments. Then, on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)

At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?

• Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1)

• When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)

What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?

• To anoint Jesus body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)

• To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)

• For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)

A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?

• They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1)

• As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)

Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus body?

• Yes. A young man in a white robe (Mark 16:5). Two men ... in dazzling apparel later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)

• No. Mary met no one and returned saying, They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him (John 20:2)

When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?

• Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)

• On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me... (John 20:11 to 17)

What was Jesus instruction for his disciples?

• Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me (Matthew 2 8: 10)

• Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God (John 20:17)

When did the disciples return to Galilee?

• Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee some doubted (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist

• After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them during forty days (Acts 1:3), and charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise ... (Acts 1:4)

@JohnDoe , you tagged me some months ago about a thread that addressed Jesus's resurrection accounts made by @Iasackro

The Jews love Moses and King David what retarded fool would believe for a moment that they’d corrupt distort and change these teachings to negatively portray an image of these great men these people value and love today?

You speak is if "The jews" were this strong and coherent group with a singular worldview and without liars, hypocrites, traitors and so on, when the own followers of Moses (Peace and Blessings be upon him) were the ones that literally build idols after witnessing with their own eyes the splitting of the red sea. There are a lot of biblical passages as the ones exposed clearly manipulated by human interests (Influeced by Satan) to distort the image of the prophets and make them seem filthy, completely immoral people. Pretty much the same as modern day politics, in which a politician does something immoral or seeks a monetary gain and then misinterprets the words of a dearly held national-local character to fit his selfish interests

Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): {So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds). Verily, Allah loves Al-Muhsinin (Good dooers)

But what do we expect when even your Hadiths say they have to be written by Muslims once again showing biases in your own narrative

Are you insinuating that the Bible was written by anyone other than believers inspired by God? Yeah, makes complete sense that enemies of the God and the prophets would come out with such descriptions of the pure prophets like the mentioned above, trying to tarnish their names. Thanks for agreeing with the Islamic narrative that the Old and New Testament are distorted works written by enemies of God.

Animals died for God loves humans so much but his justice means that something must take the place of human sin for to sin == death.

Yeah, we know your God doesn’t have enough power and mercy to just forgive without a blood sacrifice. You don't have to remind us that.

Animals didn't "die" for God. Literal babies with barely a sense of self were just ordered to be specifically slaughtered by your God because of sins committed by their ancestors, and you proudly justified it, ahowing your utter moral bankruptcy.

I know Allah is NOT JUST in any way for your god says on day of judgement Jews and Christian’s will take the place of Muslims in hell. And speaking about women doesn’t your book say women are a bountiful garden to sow? Yeah go tell your mother that see how happy she is but then again your Islamic heaven is a glorified Brothel

Muslim (2767) narrated that Abu Moosa said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “When the Day of Resurrection comes, Allah will give every Muslim a Jew or a Christian, and He will say: This is your ransom from the Fire.”

Nothing wrong or even to be remotely ashamed of with the hadith at all, especially coming from someone like you who literally supported the direct orders of slaughtering of babies in the Bible

Ibn Maajah (4341) narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “There is no one among you who does not have two abodes: an abode in Paradise and an abode in Hell. If he dies and enters Hell, the people of Paradise inherit his abode. This is what Allaah says: ‘These are indeed the inheritors'

An Nawawi (May Allah have mercy on him) said: "What this hadeeth means is that which is mentioned in the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah: everyone has an abode in Paradise and an abode in Hell. If the believer enters Paradise, the disbeliever in Hell will take his place, because he deserves that due to his disbelief. What is meant by the words “your ransom from the Fire” is that you were exposed to the risk of entering the Fire, and this is your ransom, because Allah, may He be exalted, decreed a number for it to fill it. Because the disbelievers will enter it because of their disbelief and sin, they will become like ransoms for the Muslims."

Al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad (may Allah have mercy on him) said: "Because every accountable person has a place in Paradise and a place in Hell, whoever believes truly, his place in Hell will be replaced with a place in Paradise, but for the one who does not believe it will be the opposite, and it will be as if the disbelievers took the places of the believers in Hell."

Muslim also narrated (2767) from Abu Burdah that he told ‘Umar ibn ‘Abd al-‘Azeez, from his father, that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “No Muslim man dies but Allah causes a Jew or a Christian to enter the Fire in his stead.” ‘Umar ibn ‘Abd al-‘Azeez asked him to swear by Allah, besides Whom there is no other god, three times that his father narrated that to him from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), and he swore to him.

Answered above. Nothing to be ashamed off. More when taking into account that it comes from someone who claims to be a Christian. Someone like you who believes in such commands like the amalakite babies and infants slaugthers deserves nothing less than hell.

WHAT A JUST AND GLORIOUS GOD THESE MOHAMMEDANS WORSHIP @Thebuffdon690 @PsychoH they have the nerve to criticise a practice that god left as early as Cain and Abel more proof that Allah is Baal larping as God. So much for nobody bearing the sins of another person bullshit Muslims love to throw around when Christian’s speak about Jesus conquering our sins.

btw psalm 137:9 is a prayer… god isn’t the one smashing heads it’s a prayer about Jews in slavery. Here’s the irony the region where they mention about cliff faces to smash babies rocks doesn’t HAVE CLIFF ROCK FACES TO SMASH BABIES HEADS IN SO ITS HYPERBOLE. Even SLAVES HAVE MORE MODESTY THAN MOHAMMED

Hmmm, so you are just going to act like i never responded to this huh, interesting. You didn't respond to me that time neither, clearly by your own standards "Giving up"

Here is my respond on the old thread that you didn't dare to address

"Ridiculous, again, showcasing your lack of BASIC knowledge on anything, neither your own texts, your beliefs, nor history

Are you insinuating that Babylon, the gigantic city which destruction orders is mentioned in the prayer didn't possess stones of any kind or anything resembling it after it would have been destroyed as ordered in the verse?? What was the famous Hammurabi stone made with, you lackey??

Does this look to you as mere grass and dust???"

Kudurru - Wikipedia

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Didn’t your Allah destroy Sodom? Hmm weren’t their babies in Soddom? So I guess you’re now exposing Allah as a disgusting false deity. Thank you there’s one god YHWH

Not that way you want it to be.

Here my response the other time addressing this exact same subject

Debunking "Children go to hell" thread by @mayomogger

Islam is the only religion that guarantees paradise for children and has clear text for it, contrary to Christianity and Judaism. There are 2 main views, one which is the most preponderant amongst scholars is that ALL CHILDREN will go to paradise. And the other one which is less accepted by...

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Sura 4:24 you can enslave MARRIED WOMEN who stilll have their husband alike and have sex with them lol .

Oh boy, i'm more than willing to speak about this specific subject and compare Islamic slavery with Judeo-Christian slavery

First, no, Islam does not allow the "rape" of slaves because in Islam a female must give her permission in such case, and the man can never force her against her will because, contrary to Judeo-Christianity, ill treatment and violence towards captives of war is prohibited in Islam

Zadhan Abl Umar reported: I came to Ibn 'Umar as he had granted freedom to a slave. He (the narrator further) said: He took hold of a wood or something like it from the earth and said: It (freedom of a slave) has not the reward evert equal to it, but the fact that I heard Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) say: "He who slaps his slave or beats him, the expiation for it is that he should set him free."

Suwaid ibn Muqarrin reported: Did you not know that it is forbidden to strike the face? I was the seventh of my brothers during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessing be upon him, and we had only one servant. One of us became enraged and slapped him, so the Messenger of Allah commanded us to set him free.

And Ammar ibn Yasir, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "None of you strikes his slave unjustly except that the slave will be granted retaliation on the Day of Resurrection."

Abu Mas’ud reported: I was beating a boy of mine when I heard a voice from behind me: Know, O Abu Mas’ud, that Allah has more power over you than you have over him. I turned around and it was the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him. I said, “O Messenger of Allah, I have freed him for the sake of Allah.” The Prophet said: If you had not done so, you would have been burnt in the Hellfire.

The Last Prophet of Allah (alayhi a salat wa salam) ordered good treatment and kindness to the believers in regards to their servants: Ma’rur ibn Suwaid reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: "Your slaves are your brothers. Allah has placed them in your hand, and he who has his brother under him should feed him with the same food he eats and clothe him with the same clothes he wears, and do not burden him beyond his capacity, and if you burden him then help him."

The Messenger of Allah said something similar according to other narration: "Feed them from the same food you eat and clothe them from the same clothes you wear, and do not torture the creation of Allah the Exalted."

Meanwhile, this is what JUDEOCHRISTIANITY TEACHES

The Bible permits the beating of slaves in many verses, like for example this one in Exodus 21: 20-21
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

This is also to be found in the New Testament, Luke 12: 47-48
"And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more."

There is also the famous verse of
Numbers 31: 17-18 which orders the slavery and rape of the female children of the Amalakites:
"Now kill all of the boys of the males and kill every woman who has known sexual relations of males. And every female child of women that has not known sexual relations of males save for yourselves."

Leviticus 19: 20
“If a man lies sexually with a woman who is a slave, assigned to another man and not yet ransomed or given her freedom, a distinction shall be made. They shall not be put to death, because she was not free;"

Sura 4:34 you can beat your widens you FEEL yes FEEEL LIKE SHE IS BEING DISLOYAL .

(4:34) Men are the protec-tors and maintainers of women56 because Allah has made one of them excel over the other,57 and because they spend out of their possessions (to support them). Thus righteous women are obedient and guard the rights of men in their absence under Allah's protection.58 As for women of whom you fear rebellion, admonish them, and remain apart from them in beds, and beat them.59 Then if they obey you, do not seek ways to harm them. Allah is Exalted, Great.

No, you are just misrepresenting the verse with your own interpretation, although it leaves you and your faith in a very bad way with the verses i left above about Judeo Christian slavery and it's sheer cruelty especially towards women

Ibn Abbas, the cousin of the Prophet when asked about this verse explained that it was merely a symbolic "Darb" (The word translated as beat which can also be translated as hit and so on)

Ibn Abbas was reported to say: "Leave her alone in your bed, and if she returns, then fine, otherwise God has given you permission to hit her, but not severely."
I said to Ibn Abbas: "What is a non-severe beating?" He said: The siwak and the like (i.e the small stick used for cleaning your teeth)

Many early scholars made clear that there is absolutely no permission to hit her strongly, neither leave any mark or even hitting with the small stick in the face.

Meanwhile, in Christianity you got stuff like this and you just justify it shamelessly and keep with constant red herrings, instead of addressing properly every point

Deuteronlmy 25:11-12

If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Look at the verse, "Show her no pity". Shameless, disgusting. You double faced hypocrite have the balls to tell us about Surah 4:34 while the cousin of the Prophet merely speaks of a small stick that serves to clean teeth, and you straightforwardly defend a verse in which a wife defends her husband and your God says "Show her no pity".
Sickening, but sadly expected from someone who possesses your "moral" compass if any.

MASHALLAH Deuteronomy 23:2 some laws God passed down in the Bible are for Israel as a nation, not Israel as a church. What God banned illegitimate offspring from wasn’t the church, it was public office. So a ‘bastard’ was welcome into the nation of Israel, and welcome into the Church; he could hold a job, be well-respected in the community, even become a Jew if he wanted. He just couldn’t hold public office. If interpreted the way you say it which is an fault of KJV translation admittedly then Jesus (born of one parent and marry wasn’t married before he was conceived) was a bastard and unliable to

Yup, that's it. The God of the Bible doesn’t permit people who were born outside of wedlock (Without any of their own will taking place into it) or whose genitals were severed or crushed to either take place into gatherings of worship and/or take place into any relevant activity withing your own tribe.

Your God constantly punishes people for sins they did not commit, and it seems he has a special fixation for the weakest and most vulnerable of society.

I find it hilarious that people keep speaking about how "Christianity" made Europe great when in reality the thing that really made Europe excel in their interior social politics was adhering a more Islamic (And overall universal) concept of justice in which every soul is responsible for itself and none bears the burden of another or is punished for the decisions of their ancestors. It shows how much christian priests have been clinging in the pasg into that kind of narrative, knowing that they days of glory were fading in front of their own eyes until the current state of affairs in which Christianity is just non existant on a society that has long abandoned it and it's injustices, although sadly embracing others and still keeping a christian heritage in their unjust way of acting on foreign populations abroad.

WHEN I SAY DAVID WAS “punished” I mean god made it clear he didn’t approve of it and thus didn’t let him build a temple in his name for a while. That’s what I mean.

No. You made it look as if God didn't approve of David cutting the foreskins. God didn't reject David because of the foreskin issue or because he committed adultery in another verse (Another verse manipulated by priests influenced by Satan), but because he was a warrior and the one who build the temple couldn’t be a warrior.

You also speak as if getting granted being king of an entire nation and your direct offspring being granted that kingdom and the building of the temple was even close to a punishment. Ridiculous.

The children part where the bears come out it’s translated wrong they weren’t kids but adolescents who were disrespecting gods messenger, his Son, and openly saying they didn’t care about god, his message and were openly being defiant and telling him to go. So they were punished that simple.

Nope, any notion even remotely resembling "adolescence" is only on the newest translations, which also are the most manipulated

In KJV, the most reputed version of the Bible it's clear, "Little children"

"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head."

Taking into account that concepts as "adolescent" were straight non existent in such societies in which a man was a man when he reached puberty, it's pretty much clear that it refers to children.

This is the word used, וּנְעָרִ֤ים, and it means "Children, boy, youth"

Now let’s talk about Mohammed ordering 2 female slaves to be killed because their master used to mock Mohammed and make his slaves join In on it once he got power

"Another [to be killed] was Abdullah Khatal of B. Taym b. Ghalib. He had become a Muslim and the apostle sent him to collect the poor tax in company with one of the Ansar. He had with him a freed slave who served him. (He was Muslim). When they halted he ordered the latter to kill a goat for him and prepare some food, and went to sleep. When he woke up the man had done nothing, so he attacked and killed him and apostatized. He had two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed with him."

By "singing-girls" it is referring to songstresses, who in those times would sing revolting songs to rouse the pagans against Islam and the Muslims. Even in the Muslim era, the songstress was a slave woman who would garner earnings through singing, but was often associated with very unsavory circumstances, such as drinking parties and whoring themselves out to participants (which may explain why you find such condemnation of that class of individual and her earnings).

They were indulging in such situations after the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) already forgave and gave amnesty to all his enemies during the conquests of Makkah. These people were just keeping trying to make hatred and create an endless cycle of violence, while insulting Islam in a land in which muslims already ruled and it's punishment was legislated clearly

You just justified the killing of children in the Bible (While in Islam it would be completely prohibited to punish children for blasphemy because of their lack of knowledge and agency) and now you come up with this in the next paragraph. Ridiculous.

Now for the brutal Send off for all Mohammedans.

Mohammed liked not only little girls but boys also

16848. Narrated Mu'awiyah: "I saw the Messenger of Allah suck his tongue or he said: his lip, meaning that of al-Hasan ibn Ali, peace be upon him-and no
tongue or lips that have been sucked by the
Messenger of Allah = will be tormented (in Hell)."

Yes that’s right keep sucking on little hassans tongue .

This is another example of a severly ill and damaged brain like yours interpreting innocent texts that just show the nice character of the Prophet towards his family, but since you are so sick and intoxicated with biblical text you need to turn it somehow sexual.

People in different cultures show different ways of appreciation and signs of affection. In mediterranean countries like Italy football players literally kiss other football players in the mouth as a sign of affection, or in modern day arabia many tribes salute using their noses. Implying somehow that the Prophet did such thing with a sexual intention in front of witnesses, on a society that despised any public sign of homosexuality, just showcases how low you have to fall to not accept the honest to God truth for the sake of pure pride.

To compare you idiots fighting over wudu water which as we already discussed was dirty and full of menstrual blood and dead dogs which you ignored but the text says what it says and so does the Hadith Mohammed claim to have purified it because all water is pure even with that shir in there. Go follow your Sunna and drink that water like your prophets followers did over his Wudu water

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 188:

Already explained and answered above on full detail, you just act as if nothing was said, don't address the points and add an emoji that only shows your anxiety and gymnastics.

"Muh i'm not going to drink from that river because someone took a pee on it days ago"

Mashallah again. Deuteronomy 23:2 refers to not allowing barstards to sully the purity of Isreal. The same way Ishmael was a Barstsrd child of a Slave who had to run away to Saudi Arabia lol

Yepe the God of the Bible punishes people for sins they did not commit. Already addressed in detail above.

And don’t compare the Eucharist to this shit, the Eucharist was hinted at as early as genesis 14 with the priest of Melkizadek and is bread and wine which is transformed into flesh and blood via gods energies, it’s a holy mystery of god.

Look at the ridiculous double standards

Christianity claims that there is a process in which a man's blood and flesh (A form of cannibalism) can be consumed via bread and wine, and instead of just admitting the religious similarity of the metaphysic having an effect on the physical world, you say "DUDE IT'S HINTED AS EARLY AS GENESIS 14 BECAUSE I GOT IT OUT OF MY BALLS AFTER SCRATCHING THEM, IT'S A DEEP METAPHYSICAL PROCESS THAT EVENTUALLY CONNECTS WITH THE PHYSICAL WORLD. IT'S SOME HOLY ENERGIES GOING ON, TRUST ME BRO"

You can’t claim we are “Cannibals” when we view Jesus as Literally GOD, if he wasn’t then sure but we view him as such so from our worldview paradigm you FAILED miserably here nice try but you failed.

You view him also as a human being who sits in the right hand of his father. A man who forgot, urinated, defecated, cried.

The trinity is an insult to any basic theology

In Islam you guys have no temple, no priesthood no sacrifice no alter and no continuity


But hey let’s not stop here
Your book confirms my book 5:46-47 (isa confirims Torah and Injeel)

The "Tawrah" and Injeel are the Original, uncorrupted scriptures revealed by Allah. It does not refer to the modern Old and New Testament that we have today in hands, which has been heavily corrupted by your priests, scholars and scammers.

It also refers to the current non corrupted teachings that may be inside the versions we have today, and it completely rejects anything that goes against God and the Prophets like the fabrications of Lot in the manipulated Old Testament commiting incest and so on. For example, it includes the prophecies of the coming of Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be upon him) like the ones found in Isaiah or Deuteronomy

3:3 (confirming what came before Torah and gospel so we Christian supposedly can look to what came before to validate Quran)

Nope. Confirming what was in the Original Tawrah and Injeel, and still is uncorrupted.

The verse literally says (Interpretation of the meaning): He has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book in truth, confirming what came before it, as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel previously, as a guide for people, and ˹also˺ revealed the Decisive Authority (i.e the Qur'an).

2:89(Old testament confirming the Quran)

The verse specifically mentions the uncorrupted parts of the Tawrah that prophecies the coming of Muhammad, that obviously weren't corrupted, and how many of the jews still rejected them (Although a lot of jews also accepted Islam inevitably due to the precision of such prophecies)

2:91-3(hold firmly to the securities [torah])

The verse is a continuation of 2:89 and it just continues saying that they rejected the uncorrupted parts where the Prophet Muhammad's coming was prophesied

We even know that the jews of Arabia were waiting for him due to several narrations from different sources (And rightfully so, because both parts of Isaiah and Deuteronomy where he is prophesied are extremely precise on his description)

It’s over for you and no it cannot be corrupted because 61:8(they seek to distinguish Allahs light with mouths but fail) and 18:27 (Allahs word cannot be changed)

18:27 specifically refers to the Qur'an

(Interpretation of the meaning): Recite what has been revealed to you from the Book of your Lord. None can change His Words, nor can you find any refuge besides Him.

And it's a completely irrational line of thinking the one that you are using because we don't believe that if someone starts writing on a Qur'an he has changed the word of Allah, likewise we don't consider the corruptions of the Old and New Testament as the words of Allah. The Original Tawrah and Original Injeel remain being the uncorruoted words of Allah, we just don't possess them as humans.

The Words of Allah always remain with His knowledge, and if someone adds or substracts from a book we just don't consider that book the Word of Allah anymore, and that the specific book has changed but not His Word. This is like basic 1+1= 2

So the Bible cannot be corrupted but let’s say it’s lost you may say? Well nope won’t cut it because

Sura 21:105: And We have already written in the book [of Psalms] after the [previous mention that the land [of Paradise] is inherited by My righteous servants. psalm 37:29

The Original Psalms were revealed to David (Peace and Blessings be upon him). Just like the rest of the Old and New Testament, some of it was corrupted. Of course some verses original meanings are preserved and we believe so as muslims, just like the ones mentioned above.

Sura 5:45 (life for life nose for nose tooth for tooth wounds)

Exidus 21:23-25 life for life eye for eye tooth for tooth)

Yes, some verses are preserved, others are corrupted, others are corrected, etc. That's our belief as muslims, in conjunction with all what i exposed.

So your book CRIBS from mine proving mine is legit and I don’t even have to bring up the Codex Sinaticus, Vacticanus or Alexadrius or Dead Sea scrolls I can use your stupid book to confirm mine but you know what mine says about Islam and Mohammed?

Oh, you want to speak about codex sinaticus, vaticanus (All of them appeared hundreds of years after Christ's death) and their lack of content that is key for every modern day christian???

Let's take for example the story of the prostitute and the stone, one of the most famous and popular biblical verses, with perhaps the most repeated quite in christian history.

The verse in question is found in John 8: 7 and it is the next: 'When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”

This story is a fabrication according to the vast majority of biblical scholarship and historians, with just a few desperate literallist christians who cope with arguments as low life as "Even if it is fabricated, God wanted it to be in the Bible". First, it is only to be found in the modern Gospel of John, such an event which we would consider significantly important doesn't appear in the rest of the Gospels and testimonies.

But even most importantly, the story is completely absent in all of the ancient manuscripts of the Gospel of John, it is not found in 'Papyrus 66', 'Papyrus 75' both written around 200 C.E. It is neither to be found in the Codex Sinaiticus nor in the Codex Vaticanus, both from around 300 C.E.

All of the oldest manuscripts of John seem to skip that story, they all lack John 7: 53-8: 11. The first time this story appears is in the Codex Bezae which dates from between approximately 400 C.E. and 500 C.E.

Also, several biblical scholars have noted that the writing style of this story in particular is clearly distinct from the writing that can be found both before and after the story. It uses a large number of words and phrases that are otherwise alien to the rest of the gospel, again, suggesting that it was written by a different hand. Very few biblical scholars will argue in favor of this passage being authentic.

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

There are 2 options anyways

1-The verse was actually contained in the Original Gospel revealed by Allah, and confirms the Islamic narrative that the people who changed it are accurssed by Allah, as He says in the Honorable Book (Interpretation of the meaning): So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

2-The biblical verse was manipulated by corrupt priests like what happened with the prostitute fabrication, inspired by Satan, as a damage control measure for the coming of a Prophet that would correct such falsehoods and fabrications. Confirming again the Islamic narrative as the dominant one.

Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Your Jibreel is a DEMON LOLL

Nope, not a single even remote mention of the Islamic Jibril on the verse. In fact, you are the ones who believe Satan is a fallen angel, so it's normal that he conserves such nature in accordance with your theology.

We believe Shaytan was not an angel, but a jinn.

Matthew 7:15-20
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so,every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

I agree with this verse. It describes to perfection people like Paul and the current state of practically every country that has embraced christianity in it's past.

"Sheeps clothing" Meaning a preacher who goes around claiming Jesus is love, everything is forgiven because of a past blood ritual sacrifice, etc, people eventually embrace with that mentality all sorts of degeneracy that goes against religious teachings like all what's promoted in capitalism, on modern day societies, all under the banner of being good and inclusive, but in reality, it's goals are like "ravenous wolves", "you will know them by their fruits" i.e the rejection of God and scripture, normalization of blasphemythe abandonment of family structure, collective morals, etc etc etc, all embraced mainly in judeochristian societies

Anyways I enjoy debating you ngl I enjoy the challenge
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The cartoons definetly didn't save you from the beating you got, and they only make you look childish in such context, two conditions for which you are vulnerable in biblical societies apparently.

 

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Personally, i just invite everyone to just read our entire interactions and see who has "given up".

All you pretty much did was red herring repeatedly instead of simply addressing the several subjects, and even skipped some of the most elaborated comments i made in that attempt. A reflection of your mental weakness product of traumatic life failures and a deep inferiority complex.

I'll just leave it for everyone to just read the entire thread, and judge by themselves confident in my performance, instead of claiming artificial victory while you falsely claim you are just a truth seeker, and instead of like you fictionally have to resort to while mentioning different people to feel a fake positive reinforcement because otherwise you'll get an anxiety attack

@emeraldglass @Gengar @JohnDoe @JohnBaza @bndar.337

Don't worry guys i'm just tagging you because it's funny seeing him having a breakdown. No need to respond and whatnot.

I'll aso tag @SubhumanCurrycel because he is interested in these subjects, and invite him to read and judge for himself.

Because you gave me massive "things" to reply to.

Polytheists these days man.

Nope. The Bible especially in it's most distorted and manipulated parts, is merely a justification of the actions (As immoral as they recognizably are) of, usually, a specific chosen tribe or person that can't somehow stop themselves from constantly commiting the worst possible sins imaginable even within the best they can give including prophets. A book that can't even say the same account of a single event, within a few words and phrases of distance in it's most important events.

A book in which the first pages you open there are insulting contradictions. Take a look for example at the constant contradictory accounts of the resurrection

Was Jesus body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?

• Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)

• No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus) (Mark 16: 1)

When did the women buy the spices?

• After the Sabbath was past (Mark 16:1)

• Before the Sabbath. The women prepared spices and ointments. Then, on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)

At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?

• Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1)

• When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)

What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?

• To anoint Jesus body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)

• To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)

• For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)

A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?

• They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1)

• As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)

Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus body?

• Yes. A young man in a white robe (Mark 16:5). Two men ... in dazzling apparel later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)

• No. Mary met no one and returned saying, They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him (John 20:2)

When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?

• Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)

• On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me... (John 20:11 to 17)

What was Jesus instruction for his disciples?

• Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me (Matthew 2 8: 10)

• Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God (John 20:17)

When did the disciples return to Galilee?

• Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee some doubted (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist

• After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them during forty days (Acts 1:3), and charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise ... (Acts 1:4)

@JohnDoe , you tagged me some months ago about a thread that addressed Jesus's resurrection accounts made by @Iasackro

You speak is if "The jews" were this strong and coherent group with a singular worldview and without liars, hypocrites, traitors and so on, when the own followers of Moses (Peace and Blessings be upon him) were the ones that literally build idols after witnessing with their own eyes the splitting of the red sea. There are a lot of biblical passages as the ones exposed clearly manipulated by human interests (Influeced by Satan) to distort the image of the prophets and make them seem filthy, completely immoral people. Pretty much the same as modern day politics, in which a politician does something immoral or seeks a monetary gain and then misinterprets the words of a dearly held national-local character to fit his selfish interests

Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): {So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds). Verily, Allah loves Al-Muhsinin (Good dooers)

Are you insinuating that the Bible was written by anyone other than believers inspired by God? Yeah, makes complete sense that enemies of the God and the prophets would come out with such descriptions of the pure prophets like the mentioned above, trying to tarnish their names. Thanks for agreeing with the Islamic narrative that the Old and New Testament are distorted works written by enemies of God.

Yeah, we know your God doesn’t have enough power and mercy to just forgive without a blood sacrifice. You don't have to remind us that.

Animals didn't "die" for God. Literal babies with barely a sense of self were just ordered to be specifically slaughtered by your God because of sins committed by their ancestors, and you proudly justified it, ahowing your utter moral bankruptcy.

Nothing wrong or even to be remotely ashamed of with the hadith at all, especially coming from someone like you who literally supported the direct orders of slaughtering of babies in the Bible

Ibn Maajah (4341) narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “There is no one among you who does not have two abodes: an abode in Paradise and an abode in Hell. If he dies and enters Hell, the people of Paradise inherit his abode. This is what Allaah says: ‘These are indeed the inheritors'

An Nawawi (May Allah have mercy on him) said: "What this hadeeth means is that which is mentioned in the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah: everyone has an abode in Paradise and an abode in Hell. If the believer enters Paradise, the disbeliever in Hell will take his place, because he deserves that due to his disbelief. What is meant by the words “your ransom from the Fire” is that you were exposed to the risk of entering the Fire, and this is your ransom, because Allah, may He be exalted, decreed a number for it to fill it. Because the disbelievers will enter it because of their disbelief and sin, they will become like ransoms for the Muslims."

Al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad (may Allah have mercy on him) said: "Because every accountable person has a place in Paradise and a place in Hell, whoever believes truly, his place in Hell will be replaced with a place in Paradise, but for the one who does not believe it will be the opposite, and it will be as if the disbelievers took the places of the believers in Hell."

Answered above. Nothing to be ashamed off. More when taking into account that it comes from someone who claims to be a Christian. Someone like you who believes in such commands like the amalakite babies and infants slaugthers deserves nothing less than hell.

Hmmm, so you are just going to act like i never responded to this huh, interesting. You didn't respond to me that time neither, clearly by your own standards "Giving up"

Here is my respond on the old thread that you didn't dare to address

"Ridiculous, again, showcasing your lack of BASIC knowledge on anything, neither your own texts, your beliefs, nor history

Are you insinuating that Babylon, the gigantic city which destruction orders is mentioned in the prayer didn't possess stones of any kind or anything resembling it after it would have been destroyed as ordered in the verse?? What was the famous Hammurabi stone made with, you lackey??

Does this look to you as mere grass and dust???"

Kudurru - Wikipedia

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Not that way you want it to be.

Here my response the other time addressing this exact same subject

Debunking "Children go to hell" thread by @mayomogger

Islam is the only religion that guarantees paradise for children and has clear text for it, contrary to Christianity and Judaism. There are 2 main views, one which is the most preponderant amongst scholars is that ALL CHILDREN will go to paradise. And the other one which is less accepted by...

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Oh boy, i'm more than willing to speak about this specific subject and compare Islamic slavery with Judeo-Christian slavery

First, no, Islam does not allow the "rape" of slaves because in Islam a female must give her permission in such case, and the man can never force her against her will because, contrary to Judeo-Christianity, ill treatment and violence towards captives of war is prohibited in Islam

Zadhan Abl Umar reported: I came to Ibn 'Umar as he had granted freedom to a slave. He (the narrator further) said: He took hold of a wood or something like it from the earth and said: It (freedom of a slave) has not the reward evert equal to it, but the fact that I heard Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) say: "He who slaps his slave or beats him, the expiation for it is that he should set him free."

Suwaid ibn Muqarrin reported: Did you not know that it is forbidden to strike the face? I was the seventh of my brothers during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessing be upon him, and we had only one servant. One of us became enraged and slapped him, so the Messenger of Allah commanded us to set him free.

And Ammar ibn Yasir, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "None of you strikes his slave unjustly except that the slave will be granted retaliation on the Day of Resurrection."

Abu Mas’ud reported: I was beating a boy of mine when I heard a voice from behind me: Know, O Abu Mas’ud, that Allah has more power over you than you have over him. I turned around and it was the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him. I said, “O Messenger of Allah, I have freed him for the sake of Allah.” The Prophet said: If you had not done so, you would have been burnt in the Hellfire.

The Last Prophet of Allah (alayhi a salat wa salam) ordered good treatment and kindness to the believers in regards to their servants: Ma’rur ibn Suwaid reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: "Your slaves are your brothers. Allah has placed them in your hand, and he who has his brother under him should feed him with the same food he eats and clothe him with the same clothes he wears, and do not burden him beyond his capacity, and if you burden him then help him."

The Messenger of Allah said something similar according to other narration: "Feed them from the same food you eat and clothe them from the same clothes you wear, and do not torture the creation of Allah the Exalted."

Meanwhile, this is what JUDEOCHRISTIANITY TEACHES

The Bible permits the beating of slaves in many verses, like for example this one in Exodus 21: 20-21
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

This is also to be found in the New Testament, Luke 12: 47-48
"And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more."

There is also the famous verse of
Numbers 31: 17-18 which orders the slavery and rape of the female children of the Amalakites:
"Now kill all of the boys of the males and kill every woman who has known sexual relations of males. And every female child of women that has not known sexual relations of males save for yourselves."

Leviticus 19: 20
“If a man lies sexually with a woman who is a slave, assigned to another man and not yet ransomed or given her freedom, a distinction shall be made. They shall not be put to death, because she was not free;"




No, you are just misrepresenting the verse with your own interpretation, although it leaves you and your faith in a very bad way with the verses i left above about Judeo Christian slavery and it's sheer cruelty especially towards women

Ibn Abbas, the cousin of the Prophet when asked about this verse explained that it was merely a symbolic "Darb" (The word translated as beat which can also be translated as hit and so on)

Ibn Abbas was reported to say: "Leave her alone in your bed, and if she returns, then fine, otherwise God has given you permission to hit her, but not severely."
I said to Ibn Abbas: "What is a non-severe beating?" He said: The siwak and the like (i.e the small stick used for cleaning your teeth)

Many early scholars made clear that there is absolutely no permission to hit her strongly, neither leave any mark or even hitting with the small stick in the face.

Meanwhile, in Christianity you got stuff like this and you just justify it shamelessly and keep with constant red herrings, instead of addressing properly every point

Deuteronlmy 25:11-12

If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Look at the verse, "Show her no pity". Shameless, disgusting. You double faced hypocrite have the balls to tell us about Surah 4:34 while the cousin of the Prophet merely speaks of a small stick that serves to clean teeth, and you straightforwardly defend a verse in which a wife defends her husband and your God says "Show her no pity".
Sickening, but sadly expected from someone who possesses your "moral" compass if any.

Yup, that's it. The God of the Bible doesn’t permit people who were born outside of wedlock (Without any of their own will taking place into it) or whose genitals were severed or crushed to either take place into gatherings of worship and/or take place into any relevant activity withing your own tribe.

Your God constantly punishes people for sins they did not commit, and it seems he has a special fixation for the weakest and most vulnerable of society.

I find it hilarious that people keep speaking about how "Christianity" made Europe great when in reality the thing that really made Europe excel in their interior social politics was adhering a more Islamic (And overall universal) concept of justice in which every soul is responsible for itself and none bears the burden of another or is punished for the decisions of their ancestors. It shows how much christian priests have been clinging in the pasg into that kind of narrative, knowing that they days of glory were fading in front of their own eyes until the current state of affairs in which Christianity is just non existant on a society that has long abandoned it and it's injustices, although sadly embracing others and still keeping a christian heritage in their unjust way of acting on foreign populations abroad.

No. You made it look as if God didn't approve of David cutting the foreskins. God didn't reject David because of the foreskin issue or because he committed adultery in another verse (Another verse manipulated by priests influenced by Satan), but because he was a warrior and the one who build the temple couldn’t be a warrior.

You also speak as if getting granted being king of an entire nation and your direct offspring being granted that kingdom and the building of the temple was even close to a punishment. Ridiculous.

Nope, any notion even remotely resembling "adolescence" is only on the newest translations, which also are the most manipulated

In KJV, the most reputed version of the Bible it's clear, "Little children"

"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head."

Taking into account that concepts as "adolescent" were straight non existent in such societies in which a man was a man when he reached puberty, it's pretty much clear that it refers to children.

This is the word used, וּנְעָרִ֤ים, and it means "Children, boy, youth"

By "singing-girls" it is referring to songstresses, who in those times would sing revolting songs to rouse the pagans against Islam and the Muslims. Even in the Muslim era, the songstress was a slave woman who would garner earnings through singing, but was often associated with very unsavory circumstances, such as drinking parties and whoring themselves out to participants (which may explain why you find such condemnation of that class of individual and her earnings).

They were indulging in such situations after the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) already forgave and gave amnesty to all his enemies during the conquests of Makkah. These people were just keeping trying to make hatred and create an endless cycle of violence, while insulting Islam in a land in which muslims already ruled and it's punishment was legislated clearly

You just justified the killing of children in the Bible (While in Islam it would be completely prohibited to punish children for blasphemy because of their lack of knowledge and agency) and now you come up with this in the next paragraph. Ridiculous.

This is another example of a severly ill and damaged brain like yours interpreting innocent texts that just show the nice character of the Prophet towards his family, but since you are so sick and intoxicated with biblical text you need to turn it somehow sexual.

People in different cultures show different ways of appreciation and signs of affection. In mediterranean countries like Italy football players literally kiss other football players in the mouth as a sign of affection, or in modern day arabia many tribes salute using their noses. Implying somehow that the Prophet did such thing with a sexual intention in front of witnesses, on a society that despised any public sign of homosexuality, just showcases how low you have to fall to not accept the honest to God truth for the sake of pure pride.

Already explained and answered above on full detail, you just act as if nothing was said, don't address the points and add an emoji that only shows your anxiety and gymnastics.

"Muh i'm not going to drink from that river because someone took a pee on it days ago"

Yepe the God of the Bible punishes people for sins they did not commit. Already addressed in detail above.

Look at the ridiculous double standards

Christianity claims that there is a process in which a man's blood and flesh (A form of cannibalism) can be consumed via bread and wine, and instead of just admitting the religious similarity of the metaphysic having an effect on the physical world, you say "DUDE IT'S HINTED AS EARLY AS GENESIS 14 BECAUSE I GOT IT OUT OF MY BALLS AFTER SCRATCHING THEM, IT'S A DEEP METAPHYSICAL PROCESS THAT EVENTUALLY CONNECTS WITH THE PHYSICAL WORLD. IT'S SOME HOLY ENERGIES GOING ON, TRUST ME BRO"

You view him also as a human being who sits in the right hand of his father. A man who forgot, urinated, defecated, cried.

The trinity is an insult to any basic theology

The "Tawrah" and Injeel are the Original, uncorrupted scriptures revealed by Allah. It does not refer to the modern Old and New Testament that we have today in hands, which has been heavily corrupted by your priests, scholars and scammers.

It also refers to the current non corrupted teachings that may be inside the versions we have today, and it completely rejects anything that goes against God and the Prophets like the fabrications of Lot in the manipulated Old Testament commiting incest and so on. For example, it includes the prophecies of the coming of Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be upon him) like the ones found in Isaiah or Deuteronomy

Nope. Confirming what was in the Original Tawrah and Injeel, and still is uncorrupted.

The verse literally says (Interpretation of the meaning): He has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book in truth, confirming what came before it, as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel previously, as a guide for people, and ˹also˺ revealed the Decisive Authority (i.e the Qur'an).

The verse specifically mentions the uncorrupted parts of the Tawrah that prophecies the coming of Muhammad, that obviously weren't corrupted, and how many of the jews still rejected them (Although a lot of jews also accepted Islam inevitably due to the precision of such prophecies)

The verse is a continuation of 2:89 and it just continues saying that they rejected the uncorrupted parts where the Prophet Muhammad's coming was prophesied

We even know that the jews of Arabia were waiting for him due to several narrations from different sources (And rightfully so, because both parts of Isaiah and Deuteronomy where he is prophesied are extremely precise on his description)

18:27 specifically refers to the Qur'an

(Interpretation of the meaning): Recite what has been revealed to you from the Book of your Lord. None can change His Words, nor can you find any refuge besides Him.

And it's a completely irrational line of thinking the one that you are using because we don't believe that if someone starts writing on a Qur'an he has changed the word of Allah, likewise we don't consider the corruptions of the Old and New Testament as the words of Allah. The Original Tawrah and Original Injeel remain being the uncorruoted words of Allah, we just don't possess them as humans.

The Words of Allah always remain with His knowledge, and if someone adds or substracts from a book we just don't consider that book the Word of Allah anymore, and that the specific book has changed but not His Word. This is like basic 1+1= 2

The Original Psalms were revealed to David (Peace and Blessings be upon him). Just like the rest of the Old and New Testament, some of it was corrupted. Of course some verses original meanings are preserved and we believe so as muslims, just like the ones mentioned above.

Yes, some verses are preserved, others are corrupted, others are corrected, etc. That's our belief as muslims, in conjunction with all what i exposed.

Oh, you want to speak about codex sinaticus, vaticanus (All of them appeared hundreds of years after Christ's death) and their lack of content that is key for every modern day christian???

Let's take for example the story of the prostitute and the stone, one of the most famous and popular biblical verses, with perhaps the most repeated quite in christian history.

The verse in question is found in John 8: 7 and it is the next: 'When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”

This story is a fabrication according to the vast majority of biblical scholarship and historians, with just a few desperate literallist christians who cope with arguments as low life as "Even if it is fabricated, God wanted it to be in the Bible". First, it is only to be found in the modern Gospel of John, such an event which we would consider significantly important doesn't appear in the rest of the Gospels and testimonies.

But even most importantly, the story is completely absent in all of the ancient manuscripts of the Gospel of John, it is not found in 'Papyrus 66', 'Papyrus 75' both written around 200 C.E. It is neither to be found in the Codex Sinaiticus nor in the Codex Vaticanus, both from around 300 C.E.

All of the oldest manuscripts of John seem to skip that story, they all lack John 7: 53-8: 11. The first time this story appears is in the Codex Bezae which dates from between approximately 400 C.E. and 500 C.E.

Also, several biblical scholars have noted that the writing style of this story in particular is clearly distinct from the writing that can be found both before and after the story. It uses a large number of words and phrases that are otherwise alien to the rest of the gospel, again, suggesting that it was written by a different hand. Very few biblical scholars will argue in favor of this passage being authentic.



There are 2 options anyways

1-The verse was actually contained in the Original Gospel revealed by Allah, and confirms the Islamic narrative that the people who changed it are accurssed by Allah, as He says in the Honorable Book (Interpretation of the meaning): So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

2-The biblical verse was manipulated by corrupt priests like what happened with the prostitute fabrication, inspired by Satan, as a damage control measure for the coming of a Prophet that would correct such falsehoods and fabrications. Confirming again the Islamic narrative as the dominant one.


Nope, not a single even remote mention of the Islamic Jibril on the verse. In fact, you are the ones who believe Satan is a fallen angel, so it's normal that he conserves such nature in accordance with your theology.

We believe Shaytan was not an angel, but a jinn.

I agree with this verse. It describes to perfection people like Paul and the current state of practically every country that has embraced christianity in it's past.

"Sheeps clothing" Meaning a preacher who goes around claiming Jesus is love, everything is forgiven because of a past blood ritual sacrifice, etc, people eventually embrace with that mentality all sorts of degeneracy that goes against religious teachings like all what's promoted in capitalism, on modern day societies, all under the banner of being good and inclusive, but in reality, it's goals are like "ravenous wolves", "you will know them by their fruits" i.e the rejection of God and scripture, normalization of blasphemythe abandonment of family structure, collective morals, etc etc etc, all embraced mainly in judeochristian societies

The cartoons definetly didn't save you from the beating you got, and they only make you look childish in such context, two conditions for which you are vulnerable in biblical societies apparently.

@PrinceLuenLeoncur why waste ur time responding to this when he doesn’t even understand the basics of bible contradictions?

And how they don’t disprove the bible being the inspired word of god from a Christian point of view, like it does with the Quran

He doesn’t even understand the basics his tactic is to drown you in word salad so you become confused by responding to 100 different things at the same time.

Just leave it man

 

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@PrinceLuenLeoncur why waste ur time responding to this when he doesn’t even understand the basics of bible contradictions?

And how they don’t disprove the bible being the inspired word of god from a Christian point of view, like it does with the Quran

He doesn’t even understand the basics his tactic is to drown you in word salad so you become confused by responding to 100 different things at the same time.

Just leave it man

Thanks for bumping the thread though, it will definetly expose how i "don't get the basics"

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Sometimes leaving a dog bark and cry is the best way to let things be and expose the truth. Thanks for barking TheBuffoon, keep barking and bumping for me boy.

Also @SecularIslamist i forgot to tag you. I doubt you are that interested on the thread but maybe you are.

 

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Personally, i just invite everyone to just read our entire interactions and see who has "given up".

All you pretty much did was red herring repeatedly instead of simply addressing the several subjects, and even skipped some of the most elaborated comments i made in that attempt. A reflection of your mental weakness product of traumatic life failures and a deep inferiority complex.

I'll just leave it for everyone to just read the entire thread, and judge by themselves confident in my performance, instead of claiming artificial victory while you falsely claim you are just a truth seeker, and instead of like you fictionally have to resort to while mentioning different people to feel a fake positive reinforcement because otherwise you'll get an anxiety attack

@emeraldglass @Gengar @JohnDoe @JohnBaza @bndar.337

Don't worry guys i'm just tagging you because it's funny seeing him having a breakdown. No need to respond and whatnot.

I'll aso tag @SubhumanCurrycel because he is interested in these subjects, and invite him to read and judge for himself.

Because you gave me massive "things" to reply to.

Polytheists these days man.

Nope. The Bible especially in it's most distorted and manipulated parts, is merely a justification of the actions (As immoral as they recognizably are) of, usually, a specific chosen tribe or person that can't somehow stop themselves from constantly commiting the worst possible sins imaginable even within the best they can give including prophets. A book that can't even say the same account of a single event, within a few words and phrases of distance in it's most important events.

A book in which the first pages you open there are insulting contradictions. Take a look for example at the constant contradictory accounts of the resurrection

Was Jesus body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?

• Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)

• No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus) (Mark 16: 1)

When did the women buy the spices?

• After the Sabbath was past (Mark 16:1)

• Before the Sabbath. The women prepared spices and ointments. Then, on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)

At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?

• Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1)

• When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)

What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?

• To anoint Jesus body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)

• To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)

• For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)

A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?

• They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1)

• As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)

Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus body?

• Yes. A young man in a white robe (Mark 16:5). Two men ... in dazzling apparel later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)

• No. Mary met no one and returned saying, They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him (John 20:2)

When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?

• Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)

• On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me... (John 20:11 to 17)

What was Jesus instruction for his disciples?

• Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me (Matthew 2 8: 10)

• Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God (John 20:17)

When did the disciples return to Galilee?

• Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee some doubted (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist

• After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them during forty days (Acts 1:3), and charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise ... (Acts 1:4)

@JohnDoe , you tagged me some months ago about a thread that addressed Jesus's resurrection accounts made by @Iasackro

You speak is if "The jews" were this strong and coherent group with a singular worldview and without liars, hypocrites, traitors and so on, when the own followers of Moses (Peace and Blessings be upon him) were the ones that literally build idols after witnessing with their own eyes the splitting of the red sea. There are a lot of biblical passages as the ones exposed clearly manipulated by human interests (Influeced by Satan) to distort the image of the prophets and make them seem filthy, completely immoral people. Pretty much the same as modern day politics, in which a politician does something immoral or seeks a monetary gain and then misinterprets the words of a dearly held national-local character to fit his selfish interests

Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): {So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds). Verily, Allah loves Al-Muhsinin (Good dooers)

Are you insinuating that the Bible was written by anyone other than believers inspired by God? Yeah, makes complete sense that enemies of the God and the prophets would come out with such descriptions of the pure prophets like the mentioned above, trying to tarnish their names. Thanks for agreeing with the Islamic narrative that the Old and New Testament are distorted works written by enemies of God.

Yeah, we know your God doesn’t have enough power and mercy to just forgive without a blood sacrifice. You don't have to remind us that.

Animals didn't "die" for God. Literal babies with barely a sense of self were just ordered to be specifically slaughtered by your God because of sins committed by their ancestors, and you proudly justified it, ahowing your utter moral bankruptcy.

Nothing wrong or even to be remotely ashamed of with the hadith at all, especially coming from someone like you who literally supported the direct orders of slaughtering of babies in the Bible

Ibn Maajah (4341) narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “There is no one among you who does not have two abodes: an abode in Paradise and an abode in Hell. If he dies and enters Hell, the people of Paradise inherit his abode. This is what Allaah says: ‘These are indeed the inheritors'

An Nawawi (May Allah have mercy on him) said: "What this hadeeth means is that which is mentioned in the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah: everyone has an abode in Paradise and an abode in Hell. If the believer enters Paradise, the disbeliever in Hell will take his place, because he deserves that due to his disbelief. What is meant by the words “your ransom from the Fire” is that you were exposed to the risk of entering the Fire, and this is your ransom, because Allah, may He be exalted, decreed a number for it to fill it. Because the disbelievers will enter it because of their disbelief and sin, they will become like ransoms for the Muslims."

Al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad (may Allah have mercy on him) said: "Because every accountable person has a place in Paradise and a place in Hell, whoever believes truly, his place in Hell will be replaced with a place in Paradise, but for the one who does not believe it will be the opposite, and it will be as if the disbelievers took the places of the believers in Hell."

Answered above. Nothing to be ashamed off. More when taking into account that it comes from someone who claims to be a Christian. Someone like you who believes in such commands like the amalakite babies and infants slaugthers deserves nothing less than hell.

Hmmm, so you are just going to act like i never responded to this huh, interesting. You didn't respond to me that time neither, clearly by your own standards "Giving up"

Here is my respond on the old thread that you didn't dare to address

"Ridiculous, again, showcasing your lack of BASIC knowledge on anything, neither your own texts, your beliefs, nor history

Are you insinuating that Babylon, the gigantic city which destruction orders is mentioned in the prayer didn't possess stones of any kind or anything resembling it after it would have been destroyed as ordered in the verse?? What was the famous Hammurabi stone made with, you lackey??

Does this look to you as mere grass and dust???"

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Not that way you want it to be.

Here my response the other time addressing this exact same subject

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Islam is the only religion that guarantees paradise for children and has clear text for it, contrary to Christianity and Judaism. There are 2 main views, one which is the most preponderant amongst scholars is that ALL CHILDREN will go to paradise. And the other one which is less accepted by...

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Oh boy, i'm more than willing to speak about this specific subject and compare Islamic slavery with Judeo-Christian slavery

First, no, Islam does not allow the "rape" of slaves because in Islam a female must give her permission in such case, and the man can never force her against her will because, contrary to Judeo-Christianity, ill treatment and violence towards captives of war is prohibited in Islam

Zadhan Abl Umar reported: I came to Ibn 'Umar as he had granted freedom to a slave. He (the narrator further) said: He took hold of a wood or something like it from the earth and said: It (freedom of a slave) has not the reward evert equal to it, but the fact that I heard Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) say: "He who slaps his slave or beats him, the expiation for it is that he should set him free."

Suwaid ibn Muqarrin reported: Did you not know that it is forbidden to strike the face? I was the seventh of my brothers during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessing be upon him, and we had only one servant. One of us became enraged and slapped him, so the Messenger of Allah commanded us to set him free.

And Ammar ibn Yasir, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "None of you strikes his slave unjustly except that the slave will be granted retaliation on the Day of Resurrection."

Abu Mas’ud reported: I was beating a boy of mine when I heard a voice from behind me: Know, O Abu Mas’ud, that Allah has more power over you than you have over him. I turned around and it was the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him. I said, “O Messenger of Allah, I have freed him for the sake of Allah.” The Prophet said: If you had not done so, you would have been burnt in the Hellfire.

The Last Prophet of Allah (alayhi a salat wa salam) ordered good treatment and kindness to the believers in regards to their servants: Ma’rur ibn Suwaid reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: "Your slaves are your brothers. Allah has placed them in your hand, and he who has his brother under him should feed him with the same food he eats and clothe him with the same clothes he wears, and do not burden him beyond his capacity, and if you burden him then help him."

The Messenger of Allah said something similar according to other narration: "Feed them from the same food you eat and clothe them from the same clothes you wear, and do not torture the creation of Allah the Exalted."

Meanwhile, this is what JUDEOCHRISTIANITY TEACHES

The Bible permits the beating of slaves in many verses, like for example this one in Exodus 21: 20-21
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

This is also to be found in the New Testament, Luke 12: 47-48
"And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more."

There is also the famous verse of
Numbers 31: 17-18 which orders the slavery and rape of the female children of the Amalakites:
"Now kill all of the boys of the males and kill every woman who has known sexual relations of males. And every female child of women that has not known sexual relations of males save for yourselves."

Leviticus 19: 20
“If a man lies sexually with a woman who is a slave, assigned to another man and not yet ransomed or given her freedom, a distinction shall be made. They shall not be put to death, because she was not free;"




No, you are just misrepresenting the verse with your own interpretation, although it leaves you and your faith in a very bad way with the verses i left above about Judeo Christian slavery and it's sheer cruelty especially towards women

Ibn Abbas, the cousin of the Prophet when asked about this verse explained that it was merely a symbolic "Darb" (The word translated as beat which can also be translated as hit and so on)

Ibn Abbas was reported to say: "Leave her alone in your bed, and if she returns, then fine, otherwise God has given you permission to hit her, but not severely."
I said to Ibn Abbas: "What is a non-severe beating?" He said: The siwak and the like (i.e the small stick used for cleaning your teeth)

Many early scholars made clear that there is absolutely no permission to hit her strongly, neither leave any mark or even hitting with the small stick in the face.

Meanwhile, in Christianity you got stuff like this and you just justify it shamelessly and keep with constant red herrings, instead of addressing properly every point

Deuteronlmy 25:11-12

If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Look at the verse, "Show her no pity". Shameless, disgusting. You double faced hypocrite have the balls to tell us about Surah 4:34 while the cousin of the Prophet merely speaks of a small stick that serves to clean teeth, and you straightforwardly defend a verse in which a wife defends her husband and your God says "Show her no pity".
Sickening, but sadly expected from someone who possesses your "moral" compass if any.

Yup, that's it. The God of the Bible doesn’t permit people who were born outside of wedlock (Without any of their own will taking place into it) or whose genitals were severed or crushed to either take place into gatherings of worship and/or take place into any relevant activity withing your own tribe.

Your God constantly punishes people for sins they did not commit, and it seems he has a special fixation for the weakest and most vulnerable of society.

I find it hilarious that people keep speaking about how "Christianity" made Europe great when in reality the thing that really made Europe excel in their interior social politics was adhering a more Islamic (And overall universal) concept of justice in which every soul is responsible for itself and none bears the burden of another or is punished for the decisions of their ancestors. It shows how much christian priests have been clinging in the pasg into that kind of narrative, knowing that they days of glory were fading in front of their own eyes until the current state of affairs in which Christianity is just non existant on a society that has long abandoned it and it's injustices, although sadly embracing others and still keeping a christian heritage in their unjust way of acting on foreign populations abroad.

No. You made it look as if God didn't approve of David cutting the foreskins. God didn't reject David because of the foreskin issue or because he committed adultery in another verse (Another verse manipulated by priests influenced by Satan), but because he was a warrior and the one who build the temple couldn’t be a warrior.

You also speak as if getting granted being king of an entire nation and your direct offspring being granted that kingdom and the building of the temple was even close to a punishment. Ridiculous.

Nope, any notion even remotely resembling "adolescence" is only on the newest translations, which also are the most manipulated

In KJV, the most reputed version of the Bible it's clear, "Little children"

"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head."

Taking into account that concepts as "adolescent" were straight non existent in such societies in which a man was a man when he reached puberty, it's pretty much clear that it refers to children.

This is the word used, וּנְעָרִ֤ים, and it means "Children, boy, youth"

By "singing-girls" it is referring to songstresses, who in those times would sing revolting songs to rouse the pagans against Islam and the Muslims. Even in the Muslim era, the songstress was a slave woman who would garner earnings through singing, but was often associated with very unsavory circumstances, such as drinking parties and whoring themselves out to participants (which may explain why you find such condemnation of that class of individual and her earnings).

They were indulging in such situations after the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) already forgave and gave amnesty to all his enemies during the conquests of Makkah. These people were just keeping trying to make hatred and create an endless cycle of violence, while insulting Islam in a land in which muslims already ruled and it's punishment was legislated clearly

You just justified the killing of children in the Bible (While in Islam it would be completely prohibited to punish children for blasphemy because of their lack of knowledge and agency) and now you come up with this in the next paragraph. Ridiculous.

This is another example of a severly ill and damaged brain like yours interpreting innocent texts that just show the nice character of the Prophet towards his family, but since you are so sick and intoxicated with biblical text you need to turn it somehow sexual.

People in different cultures show different ways of appreciation and signs of affection. In mediterranean countries like Italy football players literally kiss other football players in the mouth as a sign of affection, or in modern day arabia many tribes salute using their noses. Implying somehow that the Prophet did such thing with a sexual intention in front of witnesses, on a society that despised any public sign of homosexuality, just showcases how low you have to fall to not accept the honest to God truth for the sake of pure pride.

Already explained and answered above on full detail, you just act as if nothing was said, don't address the points and add an emoji that only shows your anxiety and gymnastics.

"Muh i'm not going to drink from that river because someone took a pee on it days ago"

Yepe the God of the Bible punishes people for sins they did not commit. Already addressed in detail above.

Look at the ridiculous double standards

Christianity claims that there is a process in which a man's blood and flesh (A form of cannibalism) can be consumed via bread and wine, and instead of just admitting the religious similarity of the metaphysic having an effect on the physical world, you say "DUDE IT'S HINTED AS EARLY AS GENESIS 14 BECAUSE I GOT IT OUT OF MY BALLS AFTER SCRATCHING THEM, IT'S A DEEP METAPHYSICAL PROCESS THAT EVENTUALLY CONNECTS WITH THE PHYSICAL WORLD. IT'S SOME HOLY ENERGIES GOING ON, TRUST ME BRO"

You view him also as a human being who sits in the right hand of his father. A man who forgot, urinated, defecated, cried.

The trinity is an insult to any basic theology

The "Tawrah" and Injeel are the Original, uncorrupted scriptures revealed by Allah. It does not refer to the modern Old and New Testament that we have today in hands, which has been heavily corrupted by your priests, scholars and scammers.

It also refers to the current non corrupted teachings that may be inside the versions we have today, and it completely rejects anything that goes against God and the Prophets like the fabrications of Lot in the manipulated Old Testament commiting incest and so on. For example, it includes the prophecies of the coming of Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be upon him) like the ones found in Isaiah or Deuteronomy

Nope. Confirming what was in the Original Tawrah and Injeel, and still is uncorrupted.

The verse literally says (Interpretation of the meaning): He has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book in truth, confirming what came before it, as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel previously, as a guide for people, and ˹also˺ revealed the Decisive Authority (i.e the Qur'an).

The verse specifically mentions the uncorrupted parts of the Tawrah that prophecies the coming of Muhammad, that obviously weren't corrupted, and how many of the jews still rejected them (Although a lot of jews also accepted Islam inevitably due to the precision of such prophecies)

The verse is a continuation of 2:89 and it just continues saying that they rejected the uncorrupted parts where the Prophet Muhammad's coming was prophesied

We even know that the jews of Arabia were waiting for him due to several narrations from different sources (And rightfully so, because both parts of Isaiah and Deuteronomy where he is prophesied are extremely precise on his description)

18:27 specifically refers to the Qur'an

(Interpretation of the meaning): Recite what has been revealed to you from the Book of your Lord. None can change His Words, nor can you find any refuge besides Him.

And it's a completely irrational line of thinking the one that you are using because we don't believe that if someone starts writing on a Qur'an he has changed the word of Allah, likewise we don't consider the corruptions of the Old and New Testament as the words of Allah. The Original Tawrah and Original Injeel remain being the uncorruoted words of Allah, we just don't possess them as humans.

The Words of Allah always remain with His knowledge, and if someone adds or substracts from a book we just don't consider that book the Word of Allah anymore, and that the specific book has changed but not His Word. This is like basic 1+1= 2

The Original Psalms were revealed to David (Peace and Blessings be upon him). Just like the rest of the Old and New Testament, some of it was corrupted. Of course some verses original meanings are preserved and we believe so as muslims, just like the ones mentioned above.

Yes, some verses are preserved, others are corrupted, others are corrected, etc. That's our belief as muslims, in conjunction with all what i exposed.

Oh, you want to speak about codex sinaticus, vaticanus (All of them appeared hundreds of years after Christ's death) and their lack of content that is key for every modern day christian???

Let's take for example the story of the prostitute and the stone, one of the most famous and popular biblical verses, with perhaps the most repeated quite in christian history.

The verse in question is found in John 8: 7 and it is the next: 'When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”

This story is a fabrication according to the vast majority of biblical scholarship and historians, with just a few desperate literallist christians who cope with arguments as low life as "Even if it is fabricated, God wanted it to be in the Bible". First, it is only to be found in the modern Gospel of John, such an event which we would consider significantly important doesn't appear in the rest of the Gospels and testimonies.

But even most importantly, the story is completely absent in all of the ancient manuscripts of the Gospel of John, it is not found in 'Papyrus 66', 'Papyrus 75' both written around 200 C.E. It is neither to be found in the Codex Sinaiticus nor in the Codex Vaticanus, both from around 300 C.E.

All of the oldest manuscripts of John seem to skip that story, they all lack John 7: 53-8: 11. The first time this story appears is in the Codex Bezae which dates from between approximately 400 C.E. and 500 C.E.

Also, several biblical scholars have noted that the writing style of this story in particular is clearly distinct from the writing that can be found both before and after the story. It uses a large number of words and phrases that are otherwise alien to the rest of the gospel, again, suggesting that it was written by a different hand. Very few biblical scholars will argue in favor of this passage being authentic.



There are 2 options anyways

1-The verse was actually contained in the Original Gospel revealed by Allah, and confirms the Islamic narrative that the people who changed it are accurssed by Allah, as He says in the Honorable Book (Interpretation of the meaning): So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

2-The biblical verse was manipulated by corrupt priests like what happened with the prostitute fabrication, inspired by Satan, as a damage control measure for the coming of a Prophet that would correct such falsehoods and fabrications. Confirming again the Islamic narrative as the dominant one.


Nope, not a single even remote mention of the Islamic Jibril on the verse. In fact, you are the ones who believe Satan is a fallen angel, so it's normal that he conserves such nature in accordance with your theology.

We believe Shaytan was not an angel, but a jinn.

I agree with this verse. It describes to perfection people like Paul and the current state of practically every country that has embraced christianity in it's past.

"Sheeps clothing" Meaning a preacher who goes around claiming Jesus is love, everything is forgiven because of a past blood ritual sacrifice, etc, people eventually embrace with that mentality all sorts of degeneracy that goes against religious teachings like all what's promoted in capitalism, on modern day societies, all under the banner of being good and inclusive, but in reality, it's goals are like "ravenous wolves", "you will know them by their fruits" i.e the rejection of God and scripture, normalization of blasphemythe abandonment of family structure, collective morals, etc etc etc, all embraced mainly in judeochristian societies

The cartoons definetly didn't save you from the beating you got, and they only make you look childish in such context, two conditions for which you are vulnerable in biblical societies apparently.

the size of your comment…. I’m not happy but I’ll use philosophy and scripture to address points you cannot defeat

Ima address the fact that prophets age ended with Jesus. How your god makes no logical sense and is unknowable and finally ima show how Allah cannot be YHWH because YHWH is a father and Allah goes against what god does. @Thebuffdon690 @ElTruecel @PsychoH @Shahnameh learn how Islamic philosophy is stupid and how Allah may have 7 toes for 7 is more perfect than 5 ibn Sina moment


Even I don’t wanna reply to this amount of shit… still half the faggots you tagged I have on ignore esp that John Doe who I have bullied before lol.



Issues with Attributes and Islamic Critique of the Trinity





Shout out to Jay Dyer aho brought this to my awareness where he addresses the complexity in Allah’s attributes, particularly when comparing this to Islam’s critique of the Christian Trinity. In Islamic theology, Allah possesses multiple attributes, such as mercy, justice, and knowledge. However, there is significant debate within the Sunni tradition on how these attributes relate to Allah’s essence. Some attributes, like mercy and justice, appear to require a relationship with creation to be fully realized. This dependency suggests a form of “complexity” within Allah’s nature.





your theologians and scholars like Al Ghazzali and Ibn Sina and Ashari often argue that the Trinity compromises divine simplicity by introducing distinctions within God’s nature. However, if Allah’s own attributes require distinctions and even rely on creation for expression, then there is an inherent complexity within Allah. This seems to contradict the Islamic critique of the Trinity, as it implies that Allah, too, has distinctions within Himself.





If we say that all of Allah’s attributes fully equal and inseparable from His essence, this risks drifting toward pantheism, where everything is indistinguishable from Allah’s attributes. This tension—either a complex nature or a risk of pantheism—creates a theological challenge in maintaining Tawhid.





The Eternal Qur’an and Tawhid
Another issue is the Islamic belief that the Qur’an is the eternal, uncreated word of Allah. This belief appears to introduce a kind of duality that challenges the strict monotheism (Tawhid) central to Islamic theology. If the Qur’an is both eternal and uncreated, it seems to exist alongside Allah as an eternal reality, implying a sort of multiplicity within Allah’s nature. This idea of the “eternal Qur’an” seems to mirror, in a way, the Christian concept of the Logos (Word of God), which is with God and is God. Yet, Islamic theology traditionally rejects the Logos doctrine, so the concept of an eternal Qur’an raises questions about consistency within Tawhid.





Anthropomorphic Descriptions and Tanzih
Islamic theology’s strong commitment to tanzih (that Allah has no similarity whatsoever to creation) faces challenges with anthropomorphic descriptions found in Islamic texts. Some Islamic scholars interpret references to Allah’s “hands,” “face,” or “throne” as real attributes of Allah, although they are beyond human comprehension. This presents a contradiction: if Allah has attributes that, even metaphorically, resemble created things, it seems to violate tanzih, which denies any similarity to creation. Saying Allah has “two hands” but insisting they are unlike anything in creation appears self-contradictory because the term “hands” inherently suggests a connection to human-like qualities.





In Christianity, God’s self-revelation which he shows via theothanies in the Old Testament as the angel of the lord etc but mainly the Incarnation, allows for a relational understanding that doesn’t compromise God’s transcendence. This suggests that, in Christianity, God’s relationship with creation is meaningful and knowable, while the strictness of tanzih in Islam limits Allah’s ability to relate directly to His creation. in other words your god cannot come out of himself to condescend himself to creation because that would contradict Allahs Tanzih which we don’t have due to trinity doctrine boo hooooo your Allah is illogical and philosophically bankrupt





Prophethood and Scriptural References:
Shout out to Dyer annd Sam Shamoun and other critics who also challenge Muhammad’s claim to prophethood based on biblical references. For instance, Zechariah 13:1-4 suggests a time when prophecy would cease, and Luke 16:16 states, “The Law and the Prophets were until John,” implying that John the Baptist marked the end of prophetic revelation. These verses seem to indicate that, following John and the arrival of the Messiah (Jesus), no further prophets would arise, which challenges Muhammad’s role as a prophet.





Relationship with Allah vs. Relationship with YHWH
In the Bible, YHWH portrays Himself as a Father or Husband to His people, nation and prophets, implying intimacy, closeness, and love. God calls Israel and believers His children. In the New Testament, Jesus emphasizes this fatherly relationship, contrasting it with that of a servant. In John 8:35, Jesus says, “A slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever,” illustrating the closeness between God and His followers. Something lacking in Islam for you are a SLAVE NOTHING MORE OR LESS ENJOY

In Islam, Allah is not seen as a father figure, either metaphorically or literally; the relationship between Allah and humanity is primarily that of master and servant (or slave). Allah is entirely sovereign, maintaining a hierarchical relationship rather than a personal, familial connection. This master-servant relationship contrasts with the Christian understanding of God as a loving Father who adopts believers as His children.

In the Quran Allah even goes against what YHWH commands in the Bible
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 if a man divorced a woman and married somebody else and the 2nd husband dies or divorced her the first husband cannot take her back because gods disgusted by it.



Sura Al Baqarah 2:230 when a man divorced a woman he cannot take her back until she married another man and he divorced her that’s why the man’s called Muhalil (the one that makes her lawful for her to go back to her husband)



Conclusion: TLDR
Islamic philosophy has several philosophical and theological challenges. The paradoxical nature of Allah’s attributes, the concept of the eternal Qur’an, the tensions created by tanzih, and the difference in relational views of God all seem to complicate Islam’s critique of Christianity, especially concerning the nature of God and the Trinity. These issues, alongside questions about Muhammad’s prophethood and relation of creation to the divine, are issues that Islamic theology, cannot make up for particularly when positioned against the relationally rich framework found in Christianity.

 

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@PrinceLuenLeoncur why waste ur time responding to this when he doesn’t even understand the basics of bible contradictions?

And how they don’t disprove the bible being the inspired word of god from a Christian point of view, like it does with the Quran

He doesn’t even understand the basics his tactic is to drown you in word salad so you become confused by responding to 100 different things at the same time.

Just leave it man

Bible has no contradictions an issue @MaghrebGator seems to not get. But I ask him why does Allah commit shirk by having 2 creators? Why does Allah allow Jesus to be a partner in creation to make and give life to a clay bird? Why does Allah say he’s nothing like creation then go on to say he’s like the Light etc etc comparing himself to all created things?

What’s up with that ? your god surely seems confused but what do I expect from an god who says 6:101 “How could He have a son when He does not have a companion(mate) and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing.“

The same god that supposedly gave Mary a baby using his SPIRIT can’t seem to fathom how he could be a father the so called all knowing Allah lol