Why do Muslims conflate essense and person to be the same thing?

[Shahnameh]

U want a serious discussion on theology with a bunch of Incels

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

U want a serious discussion on theology with a bunch of Incels

Not everybody here is an incel but I enjoy it. Now I’m soaking philosophy a topic that Islam is unable to deal with due to their religion being illogical

 

[King Solomon]

Jay is the greatest destroyer of Gaythiesm.

Richard Dawkins and Cosmic skeptic would be put to sleep if they debates him.

Instead they pick of Jordan Peterson who isn’t very good at rhetoric.

@MaghrebGator has given up clearly he is weak and cannot handle the mogger, just like Islam will fall one day so he too has fallen. @Thebuffdon690

@King Solomon take notes this is how you destroy evicerate and anally rupture the anus of the most obviously false religion.

I believe I've already done an adequate job of massacring the Islamic archaic satanic cult. https://looksmax.org/threads/proof-...th-their-false-prophet-come-get-some.1034875/

The short version of this is the Quaran or Muhammad says the bible (of his time around 7th Century AD) and all the prophets are true. Qe have access to the same bible of that time period today. So since the Bible is truth that makes Islam false. Case closed.

However, I don't even have to read the Quaran or the bible to prove the Quaran is false. I can simply demonstrate the history of Islam which proves it's just a cheap knock off of an ancient Pagan God worship which was created by a fake Christian religion in order to control the Arabs. The issue is, they didn't realize it would work so well. This archaic satanic death cult is now #2 in terms of population of religions on earth.

ISLAM

1) Islam was created by Rome circa 600 AC.
A.) Cardinal Bea, the Jesuit General instructed Alberta Rivera to take control of the Arabs and secure Jerusalem.
2) Mohammed was groomed by Augustinian monks in North Africa and was married to an ex-nun 15 years his senior.
3) This is why the Koran claims Jesus is a mere prophet.
4) The Koran has an entire chapter dedicated to Mary/Mariam (Romish Mary worship). Isis is Mary in the Catholic Church
5) The Pope is often seen kissing the Koran.
6) Muslims, like Papists, carry the rosary (prayer beads).
7.) Allah is the Moon God that married the sun Goddess.
8.) Allah is a pre Islamic name Corresponding to the Babylonian Bel.

Babylon images of Baal Worship just repackaged in a different controlled opposition religion thousands of years later in Islam as you can see the symbolism is similar.

As you can see here the Papacy or Rome which originally had the same pagan GOD worship, still uses these symbols today. Since murdering millions of Christians every year didn't work they decided to merge their sun God worship with Christianity. This enables them to over time control the Christians and trick them into worshipping their pagan God's.


A.) Robert A. Morey, Islam Unveiled: The True Desert Storm.
P. 46, 47-49
B.) Prof. Walter J. Veith,

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I believe I've already done an adequate job of massacring the Islamic archaic satanic cult. https://looksmax.org/threads/proof-...th-their-false-prophet-come-get-some.1034875/

The short version of this is the Quaran or Muhammad says the bible (of his time around 7th Century AD) and all the prophets are true. Qe have access to the same bible of that time period today. So since the Bible is truth that makes Islam false. Case closed.

However, I don't even have to read the Quaran or the bible to prove the Quaran is false. I can simply demonstrate the history of Islam which proves it's just a cheap knock off of an ancient Pagan God worship which was created by a fake Christian religion in order to control the Arabs. The issue is, they didn't realize it would work so well. This archaic satanic death cult is now #2 in terms of population of religions on earth.

ISLAM

1) Islam was created by Rome circa 600 AC.
A.) Cardinal Bea, the Jesuit General instructed Alberta Rivera to take control of the Arabs and secure Jerusalem.
2) Mohammed was groomed by Augustinian monks in North Africa and was married to an ex-nun 15 years his senior.
3) This is why the Koran claims Jesus is a mere prophet.
4) The Koran has an entire chapter dedicated to Mary/Mariam (Romish Mary worship). Isis is Mary in the Catholic Church
5) The Pope is often seen kissing the Koran.
6) Muslims, like Papists, carry the rosary (prayer beads).
7.) Allah is the Moon God that married the sun Goddess.
8.) Allah is a pre Islamic name Corresponding to the Babylonian Bel.


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Babylon images of Baal Worship just repackaged in a different controlled opposition religion thousands of years later in Islam as you can see the symbolism is similar.


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As you can see here the Papacy or Rome which originally had the same pagan GOD worship, still uses these symbols today. Since murdering millions of Christians every year didn't work they decided to merge their sun God worship with Christianity. This enables them to over time control the Christians and trick them into worshipping their pagan God's.


A.) Robert A. Morey, Islam Unveiled: The True Desert Storm.
P. 46, 47-49
B.) Prof. Walter J. Veith,

The silly bullshit about the Roman Catholic Church and Augustine slander is all bullshit illl not debate you on it I’m too lazy but the rest of it is all true but yeah Mo Mo never married a “Augustan” Monk but Protestants have to cope as they do

Can’t believe you have me defending Roman Catholics but nothing irks me more than Protescucks chatting shit

 

[Gengar]

Personally, i just invite everyone to just read our entire interactions and see who has "given up".

All you pretty much did was red herring repeatedly instead of simply addressing the several subjects, and even skipped some of the most elaborated comments i made in that attempt. A reflection of your mental weakness product of traumatic life failures and a deep inferiority complex.

I'll just leave it for everyone to just read the entire thread, and judge by themselves confident in my performance, instead of claiming artificial victory while you falsely claim you are just a truth seeker, and instead of like you fictionally have to resort to while mentioning different people to feel a fake positive reinforcement because otherwise you'll get an anxiety attack

@emeraldglass @Gengar @JohnDoe @JohnBaza @bndar.337

Don't worry guys i'm just tagging you because it's funny seeing him having a breakdown. No need to respond and whatnot.

I'll aso tag @SubhumanCurrycel because he is interested in these subjects, and invite him to read and judge for himself.

Because you gave me massive "things" to reply to.

Polytheists these days man.

Nope. The Bible especially in it's most distorted and manipulated parts, is merely a justification of the actions (As immoral as they recognizably are) of, usually, a specific chosen tribe or person that can't somehow stop themselves from constantly commiting the worst possible sins imaginable even within the best they can give including prophets. A book that can't even say the same account of a single event, within a few words and phrases of distance in it's most important events.

A book in which the first pages you open there are insulting contradictions. Take a look for example at the constant contradictory accounts of the resurrection

Was Jesus body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?

• Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)

• No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus) (Mark 16: 1)

When did the women buy the spices?

• After the Sabbath was past (Mark 16:1)

• Before the Sabbath. The women prepared spices and ointments. Then, on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)

At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?

• Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1)

• When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)

What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?

• To anoint Jesus body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)

• To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)

• For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)

A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?

• They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1)

• As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)

Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus body?

• Yes. A young man in a white robe (Mark 16:5). Two men ... in dazzling apparel later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)

• No. Mary met no one and returned saying, They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him (John 20:2)

When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?

• Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)

• On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me... (John 20:11 to 17)

What was Jesus instruction for his disciples?

• Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me (Matthew 2 8: 10)

• Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God (John 20:17)

When did the disciples return to Galilee?

• Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee some doubted (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist

• After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them during forty days (Acts 1:3), and charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise ... (Acts 1:4)

@JohnDoe , you tagged me some months ago about a thread that addressed Jesus's resurrection accounts made by @Iasackro

You speak is if "The jews" were this strong and coherent group with a singular worldview and without liars, hypocrites, traitors and so on, when the own followers of Moses (Peace and Blessings be upon him) were the ones that literally build idols after witnessing with their own eyes the splitting of the red sea. There are a lot of biblical passages as the ones exposed clearly manipulated by human interests (Influeced by Satan) to distort the image of the prophets and make them seem filthy, completely immoral people. Pretty much the same as modern day politics, in which a politician does something immoral or seeks a monetary gain and then misinterprets the words of a dearly held national-local character to fit his selfish interests

Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): {So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds). Verily, Allah loves Al-Muhsinin (Good dooers)

Are you insinuating that the Bible was written by anyone other than believers inspired by God? Yeah, makes complete sense that enemies of the God and the prophets would come out with such descriptions of the pure prophets like the mentioned above, trying to tarnish their names. Thanks for agreeing with the Islamic narrative that the Old and New Testament are distorted works written by enemies of God.

Yeah, we know your God doesn’t have enough power and mercy to just forgive without a blood sacrifice. You don't have to remind us that.

Animals didn't "die" for God. Literal babies with barely a sense of self were just ordered to be specifically slaughtered by your God because of sins committed by their ancestors, and you proudly justified it, ahowing your utter moral bankruptcy.

Nothing wrong or even to be remotely ashamed of with the hadith at all, especially coming from someone like you who literally supported the direct orders of slaughtering of babies in the Bible

Ibn Maajah (4341) narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “There is no one among you who does not have two abodes: an abode in Paradise and an abode in Hell. If he dies and enters Hell, the people of Paradise inherit his abode. This is what Allaah says: ‘These are indeed the inheritors'

An Nawawi (May Allah have mercy on him) said: "What this hadeeth means is that which is mentioned in the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah: everyone has an abode in Paradise and an abode in Hell. If the believer enters Paradise, the disbeliever in Hell will take his place, because he deserves that due to his disbelief. What is meant by the words “your ransom from the Fire” is that you were exposed to the risk of entering the Fire, and this is your ransom, because Allah, may He be exalted, decreed a number for it to fill it. Because the disbelievers will enter it because of their disbelief and sin, they will become like ransoms for the Muslims."

Al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad (may Allah have mercy on him) said: "Because every accountable person has a place in Paradise and a place in Hell, whoever believes truly, his place in Hell will be replaced with a place in Paradise, but for the one who does not believe it will be the opposite, and it will be as if the disbelievers took the places of the believers in Hell."

Answered above. Nothing to be ashamed off. More when taking into account that it comes from someone who claims to be a Christian. Someone like you who believes in such commands like the amalakite babies and infants slaugthers deserves nothing less than hell.

Hmmm, so you are just going to act like i never responded to this huh, interesting. You didn't respond to me that time neither, clearly by your own standards "Giving up"

Here is my respond on the old thread that you didn't dare to address

"Ridiculous, again, showcasing your lack of BASIC knowledge on anything, neither your own texts, your beliefs, nor history

Are you insinuating that Babylon, the gigantic city which destruction orders is mentioned in the prayer didn't possess stones of any kind or anything resembling it after it would have been destroyed as ordered in the verse?? What was the famous Hammurabi stone made with, you lackey??

Does this look to you as mere grass and dust???"

Kudurru - Wikipedia

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Not that way you want it to be.

Here my response the other time addressing this exact same subject

Debunking "Children go to hell" thread by @mayomogger

Islam is the only religion that guarantees paradise for children and has clear text for it, contrary to Christianity and Judaism. There are 2 main views, one which is the most preponderant amongst scholars is that ALL CHILDREN will go to paradise. And the other one which is less accepted by...

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Oh boy, i'm more than willing to speak about this specific subject and compare Islamic slavery with Judeo-Christian slavery

First, no, Islam does not allow the "rape" of slaves because in Islam a female must give her permission in such case, and the man can never force her against her will because, contrary to Judeo-Christianity, ill treatment and violence towards captives of war is prohibited in Islam

Zadhan Abl Umar reported: I came to Ibn 'Umar as he had granted freedom to a slave. He (the narrator further) said: He took hold of a wood or something like it from the earth and said: It (freedom of a slave) has not the reward evert equal to it, but the fact that I heard Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) say: "He who slaps his slave or beats him, the expiation for it is that he should set him free."

Suwaid ibn Muqarrin reported: Did you not know that it is forbidden to strike the face? I was the seventh of my brothers during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessing be upon him, and we had only one servant. One of us became enraged and slapped him, so the Messenger of Allah commanded us to set him free.

And Ammar ibn Yasir, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "None of you strikes his slave unjustly except that the slave will be granted retaliation on the Day of Resurrection."

Abu Mas’ud reported: I was beating a boy of mine when I heard a voice from behind me: Know, O Abu Mas’ud, that Allah has more power over you than you have over him. I turned around and it was the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him. I said, “O Messenger of Allah, I have freed him for the sake of Allah.” The Prophet said: If you had not done so, you would have been burnt in the Hellfire.

The Last Prophet of Allah (alayhi a salat wa salam) ordered good treatment and kindness to the believers in regards to their servants: Ma’rur ibn Suwaid reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: "Your slaves are your brothers. Allah has placed them in your hand, and he who has his brother under him should feed him with the same food he eats and clothe him with the same clothes he wears, and do not burden him beyond his capacity, and if you burden him then help him."

The Messenger of Allah said something similar according to other narration: "Feed them from the same food you eat and clothe them from the same clothes you wear, and do not torture the creation of Allah the Exalted."

Meanwhile, this is what JUDEOCHRISTIANITY TEACHES

The Bible permits the beating of slaves in many verses, like for example this one in Exodus 21: 20-21
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

This is also to be found in the New Testament, Luke 12: 47-48
"And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more."

There is also the famous verse of
Numbers 31: 17-18 which orders the slavery and rape of the female children of the Amalakites:
"Now kill all of the boys of the males and kill every woman who has known sexual relations of males. And every female child of women that has not known sexual relations of males save for yourselves."

Leviticus 19: 20
“If a man lies sexually with a woman who is a slave, assigned to another man and not yet ransomed or given her freedom, a distinction shall be made. They shall not be put to death, because she was not free;"




No, you are just misrepresenting the verse with your own interpretation, although it leaves you and your faith in a very bad way with the verses i left above about Judeo Christian slavery and it's sheer cruelty especially towards women

Ibn Abbas, the cousin of the Prophet when asked about this verse explained that it was merely a symbolic "Darb" (The word translated as beat which can also be translated as hit and so on)

Ibn Abbas was reported to say: "Leave her alone in your bed, and if she returns, then fine, otherwise God has given you permission to hit her, but not severely."
I said to Ibn Abbas: "What is a non-severe beating?" He said: The siwak and the like (i.e the small stick used for cleaning your teeth)

Many early scholars made clear that there is absolutely no permission to hit her strongly, neither leave any mark or even hitting with the small stick in the face.

Meanwhile, in Christianity you got stuff like this and you just justify it shamelessly and keep with constant red herrings, instead of addressing properly every point

Deuteronlmy 25:11-12

If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Look at the verse, "Show her no pity". Shameless, disgusting. You double faced hypocrite have the balls to tell us about Surah 4:34 while the cousin of the Prophet merely speaks of a small stick that serves to clean teeth, and you straightforwardly defend a verse in which a wife defends her husband and your God says "Show her no pity".
Sickening, but sadly expected from someone who possesses your "moral" compass if any.

Yup, that's it. The God of the Bible doesn’t permit people who were born outside of wedlock (Without any of their own will taking place into it) or whose genitals were severed or crushed to either take place into gatherings of worship and/or take place into any relevant activity withing your own tribe.

Your God constantly punishes people for sins they did not commit, and it seems he has a special fixation for the weakest and most vulnerable of society.

I find it hilarious that people keep speaking about how "Christianity" made Europe great when in reality the thing that really made Europe excel in their interior social politics was adhering a more Islamic (And overall universal) concept of justice in which every soul is responsible for itself and none bears the burden of another or is punished for the decisions of their ancestors. It shows how much christian priests have been clinging in the pasg into that kind of narrative, knowing that they days of glory were fading in front of their own eyes until the current state of affairs in which Christianity is just non existant on a society that has long abandoned it and it's injustices, although sadly embracing others and still keeping a christian heritage in their unjust way of acting on foreign populations abroad.

No. You made it look as if God didn't approve of David cutting the foreskins. God didn't reject David because of the foreskin issue or because he committed adultery in another verse (Another verse manipulated by priests influenced by Satan), but because he was a warrior and the one who build the temple couldn’t be a warrior.

You also speak as if getting granted being king of an entire nation and your direct offspring being granted that kingdom and the building of the temple was even close to a punishment. Ridiculous.

Nope, any notion even remotely resembling "adolescence" is only on the newest translations, which also are the most manipulated

In KJV, the most reputed version of the Bible it's clear, "Little children"

"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head."

Taking into account that concepts as "adolescent" were straight non existent in such societies in which a man was a man when he reached puberty, it's pretty much clear that it refers to children.

This is the word used, וּנְעָרִ֤ים, and it means "Children, boy, youth"

By "singing-girls" it is referring to songstresses, who in those times would sing revolting songs to rouse the pagans against Islam and the Muslims. Even in the Muslim era, the songstress was a slave woman who would garner earnings through singing, but was often associated with very unsavory circumstances, such as drinking parties and whoring themselves out to participants (which may explain why you find such condemnation of that class of individual and her earnings).

They were indulging in such situations after the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) already forgave and gave amnesty to all his enemies during the conquests of Makkah. These people were just keeping trying to make hatred and create an endless cycle of violence, while insulting Islam in a land in which muslims already ruled and it's punishment was legislated clearly

You just justified the killing of children in the Bible (While in Islam it would be completely prohibited to punish children for blasphemy because of their lack of knowledge and agency) and now you come up with this in the next paragraph. Ridiculous.

This is another example of a severly ill and damaged brain like yours interpreting innocent texts that just show the nice character of the Prophet towards his family, but since you are so sick and intoxicated with biblical text you need to turn it somehow sexual.

People in different cultures show different ways of appreciation and signs of affection. In mediterranean countries like Italy football players literally kiss other football players in the mouth as a sign of affection, or in modern day arabia many tribes salute using their noses. Implying somehow that the Prophet did such thing with a sexual intention in front of witnesses, on a society that despised any public sign of homosexuality, just showcases how low you have to fall to not accept the honest to God truth for the sake of pure pride.

Already explained and answered above on full detail, you just act as if nothing was said, don't address the points and add an emoji that only shows your anxiety and gymnastics.

"Muh i'm not going to drink from that river because someone took a pee on it days ago"

Yepe the God of the Bible punishes people for sins they did not commit. Already addressed in detail above.

Look at the ridiculous double standards

Christianity claims that there is a process in which a man's blood and flesh (A form of cannibalism) can be consumed via bread and wine, and instead of just admitting the religious similarity of the metaphysic having an effect on the physical world, you say "DUDE IT'S HINTED AS EARLY AS GENESIS 14 BECAUSE I GOT IT OUT OF MY BALLS AFTER SCRATCHING THEM, IT'S A DEEP METAPHYSICAL PROCESS THAT EVENTUALLY CONNECTS WITH THE PHYSICAL WORLD. IT'S SOME HOLY ENERGIES GOING ON, TRUST ME BRO"

You view him also as a human being who sits in the right hand of his father. A man who forgot, urinated, defecated, cried.

The trinity is an insult to any basic theology

The "Tawrah" and Injeel are the Original, uncorrupted scriptures revealed by Allah. It does not refer to the modern Old and New Testament that we have today in hands, which has been heavily corrupted by your priests, scholars and scammers.

It also refers to the current non corrupted teachings that may be inside the versions we have today, and it completely rejects anything that goes against God and the Prophets like the fabrications of Lot in the manipulated Old Testament commiting incest and so on. For example, it includes the prophecies of the coming of Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be upon him) like the ones found in Isaiah or Deuteronomy

Nope. Confirming what was in the Original Tawrah and Injeel, and still is uncorrupted.

The verse literally says (Interpretation of the meaning): He has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book in truth, confirming what came before it, as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel previously, as a guide for people, and ˹also˺ revealed the Decisive Authority (i.e the Qur'an).

The verse specifically mentions the uncorrupted parts of the Tawrah that prophecies the coming of Muhammad, that obviously weren't corrupted, and how many of the jews still rejected them (Although a lot of jews also accepted Islam inevitably due to the precision of such prophecies)

The verse is a continuation of 2:89 and it just continues saying that they rejected the uncorrupted parts where the Prophet Muhammad's coming was prophesied

We even know that the jews of Arabia were waiting for him due to several narrations from different sources (And rightfully so, because both parts of Isaiah and Deuteronomy where he is prophesied are extremely precise on his description)

18:27 specifically refers to the Qur'an

(Interpretation of the meaning): Recite what has been revealed to you from the Book of your Lord. None can change His Words, nor can you find any refuge besides Him.

And it's a completely irrational line of thinking the one that you are using because we don't believe that if someone starts writing on a Qur'an he has changed the word of Allah, likewise we don't consider the corruptions of the Old and New Testament as the words of Allah. The Original Tawrah and Original Injeel remain being the uncorruoted words of Allah, we just don't possess them as humans.

The Words of Allah always remain with His knowledge, and if someone adds or substracts from a book we just don't consider that book the Word of Allah anymore, and that the specific book has changed but not His Word. This is like basic 1+1= 2

The Original Psalms were revealed to David (Peace and Blessings be upon him). Just like the rest of the Old and New Testament, some of it was corrupted. Of course some verses original meanings are preserved and we believe so as muslims, just like the ones mentioned above.

Yes, some verses are preserved, others are corrupted, others are corrected, etc. That's our belief as muslims, in conjunction with all what i exposed.

Oh, you want to speak about codex sinaticus, vaticanus (All of them appeared hundreds of years after Christ's death) and their lack of content that is key for every modern day christian???

Let's take for example the story of the prostitute and the stone, one of the most famous and popular biblical verses, with perhaps the most repeated quite in christian history.

The verse in question is found in John 8: 7 and it is the next: 'When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”

This story is a fabrication according to the vast majority of biblical scholarship and historians, with just a few desperate literallist christians who cope with arguments as low life as "Even if it is fabricated, God wanted it to be in the Bible". First, it is only to be found in the modern Gospel of John, such an event which we would consider significantly important doesn't appear in the rest of the Gospels and testimonies.

But even most importantly, the story is completely absent in all of the ancient manuscripts of the Gospel of John, it is not found in 'Papyrus 66', 'Papyrus 75' both written around 200 C.E. It is neither to be found in the Codex Sinaiticus nor in the Codex Vaticanus, both from around 300 C.E.

All of the oldest manuscripts of John seem to skip that story, they all lack John 7: 53-8: 11. The first time this story appears is in the Codex Bezae which dates from between approximately 400 C.E. and 500 C.E.

Also, several biblical scholars have noted that the writing style of this story in particular is clearly distinct from the writing that can be found both before and after the story. It uses a large number of words and phrases that are otherwise alien to the rest of the gospel, again, suggesting that it was written by a different hand. Very few biblical scholars will argue in favor of this passage being authentic.



There are 2 options anyways

1-The verse was actually contained in the Original Gospel revealed by Allah, and confirms the Islamic narrative that the people who changed it are accurssed by Allah, as He says in the Honorable Book (Interpretation of the meaning): So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

2-The biblical verse was manipulated by corrupt priests like what happened with the prostitute fabrication, inspired by Satan, as a damage control measure for the coming of a Prophet that would correct such falsehoods and fabrications. Confirming again the Islamic narrative as the dominant one.


Nope, not a single even remote mention of the Islamic Jibril on the verse. In fact, you are the ones who believe Satan is a fallen angel, so it's normal that he conserves such nature in accordance with your theology.

We believe Shaytan was not an angel, but a jinn.

I agree with this verse. It describes to perfection people like Paul and the current state of practically every country that has embraced christianity in it's past.

"Sheeps clothing" Meaning a preacher who goes around claiming Jesus is love, everything is forgiven because of a past blood ritual sacrifice, etc, people eventually embrace with that mentality all sorts of degeneracy that goes against religious teachings like all what's promoted in capitalism, on modern day societies, all under the banner of being good and inclusive, but in reality, it's goals are like "ravenous wolves", "you will know them by their fruits" i.e the rejection of God and scripture, normalization of blasphemythe abandonment of family structure, collective morals, etc etc etc, all embraced mainly in judeochristian societies

The cartoons definetly didn't save you from the beating you got, and they only make you look childish in such context, two conditions for which you are vulnerable in biblical societies apparently.

My hat goes off to you, brotha. Excellent reply. I didn’t read every word but skimmed through it, nor did I follow the entire discussion. I don’t know how you have the energy to do this constantly. In my mind, you’re known for writing in-depth replies even when certain posts don’t even warrant it. Even though I do not agree with every single thing you’ve said due to some personal convictions, I have to say… very well done.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

My hat goes off to you, brotha. Excellent reply. I didn’t read every word but skimmed through it, nor did I follow the entire discussion. I don’t know how you have the energy to do this constantly. In my mind, you’re known for writing in-depth replies even when certain posts don’t even warrant it. Even though I do not agree with every single thing you’ve said due to some personal convictions, I have to say… very well done.

lol. I destroyed him brutally.

He tried though he tried far more than me (look at how detailed his replies are I’ll be honest I haven’t even read the entire thing he wrote it’s too much)

He can’t escape the continuity issues historical discrepancies and philosophical blunders Present in Islam that’s why he keeps running for silly translation errors in the Bible (there is no way for him to defend these. Anyways how are u bro I thought I left the site your never here

 

[Thebuffdon690]

Thanks for bumping the thread though, it will definetly expose how i "don't get the basics"

Here have another good read for the fortunate users who got into the thread after TheBuffoons bump, in which "i don't get the basics"

Destroying TheBuffoon "God doesn't exist trust me bro" MEGATHREAD

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Sometimes leaving a dog bark and cry is the best way to let things be and expose the truth. Thanks for barking TheBuffoon, keep barking and bumping for me boy.

Also @SecularIslamist i forgot to tag you. I doubt you are that interested on the thread but maybe you are.

The fact u never respond to me and then somehow got riled up enough to respond now tells me everything I need to know about your fragile state of mind

JFL

 

[Thebuffdon690]

I believe I've already done an adequate job of massacring the Islamic archaic satanic cult. https://looksmax.org/threads/proof-...th-their-false-prophet-come-get-some.1034875/

The short version of this is the Quaran or Muhammad says the bible (of his time around 7th Century AD) and all the prophets are true. Qe have access to the same bible of that time period today. So since the Bible is truth that makes Islam false. Case closed.

However, I don't even have to read the Quaran or the bible to prove the Quaran is false. I can simply demonstrate the history of Islam which proves it's just a cheap knock off of an ancient Pagan God worship which was created by a fake Christian religion in order to control the Arabs. The issue is, they didn't realize it would work so well. This archaic satanic death cult is now #2 in terms of population of religions on earth.

ISLAM

1) Islam was created by Rome circa 600 AC.
A.) Cardinal Bea, the Jesuit General instructed Alberta Rivera to take control of the Arabs and secure Jerusalem.
2) Mohammed was groomed by Augustinian monks in North Africa and was married to an ex-nun 15 years his senior.
3) This is why the Koran claims Jesus is a mere prophet.
4) The Koran has an entire chapter dedicated to Mary/Mariam (Romish Mary worship). Isis is Mary in the Catholic Church
5) The Pope is often seen kissing the Koran.
6) Muslims, like Papists, carry the rosary (prayer beads).
7.) Allah is the Moon God that married the sun Goddess.
8.) Allah is a pre Islamic name Corresponding to the Babylonian Bel.


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Babylon images of Baal Worship just repackaged in a different controlled opposition religion thousands of years later in Islam as you can see the symbolism is similar.


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As you can see here the Papacy or Rome which originally had the same pagan GOD worship, still uses these symbols today. Since murdering millions of Christians every year didn't work they decided to merge their sun God worship with Christianity. This enables them to over time control the Christians and trick them into worshipping their pagan God's.


A.) Robert A. Morey, Islam Unveiled: The True Desert Storm.
P. 46, 47-49
B.) Prof. Walter J. Veith,

Glad you have you back on our side Solomon

@MaghrebGator surely benefit from this

 

[AustrianMogger]

Genuinely perplexing race of beings these lot are.

My buddy couldn’t seem to reconsile that WHAT you are isn’t the same as WHO you are

I can’t even explain it using counting by identity vs division because he doesn’t know such things but the category of god is counted by division in the sense that it’s a category a grouping (ONE GROUP) and within that group there are multiple or different things in this instance hypostasis which is counted by identity.

This is logically coherent and sound any person who does mathematics or philosophy will agree. An example of counting by division would be ripping a piece of paper in half doesn’t give you 2 pieces of paper instead you just have one piece of paper ripped in 2.

@Thebuffdon690 @XtrovertNTnormalfag @PsychoH what is so hard to understand about this relating to god for the Muslim brain? Atheist get it, Buddhists and all other groups get it even Jews but Muslims just don’t get it

dnr muslim

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

dnr muslim

I’m not a mohammeden you retard. Learn how to read you idiot or don’t bother fucking replied if you lack the intellect to read 2 words

Glad you have you back on our side Solomon

@MaghrebGator surely benefit from this

Solomon isn’t very smart he believes in stupid Protestant superstitions such as Islam being from the Roman Catholics that’s how retarded that disgusting sect is they will create and fabricate anything they can to slander Roman Catholics (no I’m not a Catholic myself but I have it call it out)

 

[MaghrebGator]

My hat goes off to you, brotha. Excellent reply. I didn’t read every word but skimmed through it, nor did I follow the entire discussion. I don’t know how you have the energy to do this constantly. In my mind, you’re known for writing in-depth replies even when certain posts don’t even warrant it. Even though I do not agree with every single thing you’ve said due to some personal convictions, I have to say… very well done.

Thanks bhai. Really appreciate it. Sorry for the constant tagging though, it was just to make fun of him. I'm not a fan of such methods and i believe if Allah knows someone deserves to read or learn then He decrees it without me having to tag or beg for attention.

It's not that hard, i have lots of notes, archives, etc, that address all these subjects in detail (And i don't do it only with deen but also with other matters i'm interested with) and the majority i just go to the notes i already wrote before and copy and paste it while adding context in conjunction with the thread. I have my own library online to put it mildly that i have been collecting and still collecting during the years, and this is not even 0.5% of the deen content i possess (Literally).

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Thanks bhai. Really appreciate it. Sorry for the constant tagging though, it was just to make fun of him. I'm not a fan of such methods and i believe if Allah knows someone deserves to read or learn then He decrees it without me having to tag or beg for attention.

It's not that hard, i have lots of notes, archives, etc, that address all these subjects in detail (And i don't do it only with deen but also with other matters i'm interested with) and the majority i just go to the notes i already wrote before and copy and paste it while adding context in conjunction with the thread. I have my own library online to put it mildly that i have been collecting and still collecting during the years, and this is not even 0.5% of the deen content i possess (Literally).

One thing I’ll say you got somewhat decent with was the claim I made about Echad. It’s true that contextually it can be used to refer to compound unit and a singular unity which is used in the bible such as exodus 26:6 regarding the parts of the tabernacle being one and gen 2:24

Though the problem I have with this hence why I brought it up is that if gods alll knowing wouldn’t it be more sensible for him to use the Hebrew word for a singular “oneness” or “unique” oneness called Yachid?

I mean the whole point is to not confuse people esp the Jews who were constantly being pagans so god would had easily used the word “Yachid” if he wanted to stress it however he doesn’t.

The way God speaks about himself points to him having a complexity which we humans cannot comprehend. That’s why he says stuff like

Isiah 48:16 “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me.”


Isiah 63:10 But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit; So He turned Himself against them as an enemy, And He fought against them.THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY STATES THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS AN AGENT WITH A WILL AND FEELINGS)


Genesis 1:2 first page of bible
. “The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.“

Psalm 51: “Take not your Holy Spirit away from me” 102 (Ps. 51:13)


Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

ALL FROM OLD TESTAMENT ONLY ONE FROM NEW


Exodus 23:21 Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgressions; for My name is in Him. (Referring to the angel of the lord AKA Son/Jesus)

judges 6:14 The Lord turned to Gideon and said, “Go with your strength and ·save [rescue; T deliver]Israel from the ·Midianites [L hand of Midian]. ·I am the one who is sending you. [L Am I not sending you?]”

That lord is judges 6:22 Now Gideon perceived that He was the Angel of the LORD. So Gideon said, “Alas, O Lord GOD! For I have seen the Angel of the LORD face to face.”

EVEN ABRAHAM met him
Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the LORD out of the heavens. (Hmm two Lords )



Anyways this is just more proof Allah isn’t god. He’s a father to nobody therefore not the God the prophets preached. Allah also goes against dueteronomy 24 in his sura 2:230 lol.

Proof Allah is NOT GOD

 

[Gengar]

lol. I destroyed him brutally.

He tried though he tried far more than me (look at how detailed his replies are I’ll be honest I haven’t even read the entire thing he wrote it’s too much)

He can’t escape the continuity issues historical discrepancies and philosophical blunders Present in Islam that’s why he keeps running for silly translation errors in the Bible (there is no way for him to defend these. Anyways how are u bro I thought I left the site your never here

I’m fine bhai, thanks for asking. I’m traveling so I haven’t been able to have constant internet access. Currently sitting at a restaurant and waiting for my food, first time I ever did this.

 

[Gengar]

lol. I destroyed him brutally.

He tried though he tried far more than me (look at how detailed his replies are I’ll be honest I haven’t even read the entire thing he wrote it’s too much)

He can’t escape the continuity issues historical discrepancies and philosophical blunders Present in Islam that’s why he keeps running for silly translation errors in the Bible (there is no way for him to defend these. Anyways how are u bro I thought I left the site your never here

I’m fine bhai, thanks for asking. I’m traveling so I haven’t been able to have constant internet access. Currently sitting at a restaurant and waiting for my food, first time I ever did this.

What about you?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

What about you?

I’m good Bhaiiii where did you go? . Turns out maghrebgator also has a “deen” folder

I also pull out my notes and copy paste them edit it around a bit and BAMN done ahahah explains why he has been able to fight Back he tried I respect him he was a better opponent than most but in the end you cannot beat the Truth

 

[Gengar]

Thanks bhai. Really appreciate it. Sorry for the constant tagging though, it was just to make fun of him. I'm not a fan of such methods and i believe if Allah knows someone deserves to read or learn then He decrees it without me having to tag or beg for attention.

It's not that hard, i have lots of notes, archives, etc, that address all these subjects in detail (And i don't do it only with deen but also with other matters i'm interested with) and the majority i just go to the notes i already wrote before and copy and paste it while adding context in conjunction with the thread. I have my own library online to put it mildly that i have been collecting and still collecting during the years, and this is not even 0.5% of the deen content i possess (Literally).

No problem bhai, and you can tag me all you want. It’s no big deal.

I honestly thought you were like, really writing all of it down and I was impressed by your sheer dedication. But knowing you copy and paste it all makes sense.

 

[Gengar]

I’m good Bhaiiii where did you go? . Turns out maghrebgator also has a “deen” folder

I also pull out my notes and copy paste them edit it around a bit and BAMN done ahahah explains why he has been able to fight Back he tried I respect him he was a better opponent than most but in the end you cannot beat the Truth

My IP says Seychelles . You gotta admire the dedication at least. I don’t have any notes saved.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

My IP says Seychelles . You gotta admire the dedication at least. I don’t have any notes saved.

I have to shut niggas up somehow my autism forces me to do it.

 

[King Solomon]

Glad you have you back on our side Solomon

@MaghrebGator surely benefit from this

I'm on the side of truth. The more I dig the more I realize we've been kept from the truth for nefarious reasons.

Also, the writers of the Quaran all come 100's of years after Mohommed and their book that they say is uncorrupted and unchanged, well there are 30 versions and 90,000 differences in those versions and the one version that majority of the Muslim community uses today was finalized in 1985. So even if one refuses to believe the Cardinal/Jesuit that spilled the beans on the Catholics (created by the Jevvs) created Islam, you still have the fact that they have no witnesses from Muhammad's time, 30 versions of their book and the book states that the bible and all Israelite prophets speak truth (600 AD version of the bible qe still have access to) and if the bible is true that makes Islam false.

Majority of the pagan religions all come from Babylon just have a different name but the symbology is the same. This is how the Papacy exposes itself by their symbolism not to mention how they contradict Jesus 100's of times as does the false Apostle Paulus/Saulus(Edomite/Canaanite/Herodian royal blood/Pharisees/Christian killer) the originator of the Catholic Church and Free Masonry.

On top of this all Chapter 304 churches are all under government control. Governments are corperations, these corperations are all under control of the money makers of the fiat ponzi scheme central banks and are all under the International Monetary Fund and the IMF is under control of the Edomite Luciferan Rothchild's.

This is y I have zero affiliation to any so called church or religion. They've nearly all been infiltrated or corrupted in one way or another.

 

[Gengar]

I have to shut niggas up somehow my autism forces me to do it.

The urge to constantly go back and forth arguing. Even I have that.

 

[Entschuldigung]

They pretend to not understand so they can criticize it
You guys need more emotional intelligence to understand what people want when they say such things...

 

[ryuken]

Already in the first example and already doing the ridicule. For God's sake can't you stop for once ashaming yourself in public??

EVERY-SINGLE-PROPHET in the Bible preached about One God, and there isn't a single mention by any prophet even REMOTELY CLOSE to any trinity or a God being different entities or persons at the same time. Muhammad preached monotheism, every Biblical prophet teaches CLEARLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY Tawhid, and they never make a single dirty mention towards any being or person being equal to God except it is considered some sort of blasphemy, and which is anyways completely unrelated to the christian trinitarian view of God.

Using the word "Echad" as a desperate try to justify your polytheism just showcased again the lack of honesty and moral integrity you possess

It doesn’t take any expert on hebrew, just a quick research on the usage of the word inside the Bible is enough to check it

-Genesis 2:21 And LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one (echad) of his ribs.

-How many ribs did God took?

Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one (echad) of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

-How many mountains did Abraham go to?

Exodus 25:19 And make one (echad) cherub on the one (different word) end and the other cherub on the other end.

-How many cherubs on one side?

Leviticus 16:5 And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for sin offering, and one (echad) ram for a burnt offering.

-How many rams?

"Of the 943 times, the word "echad" translated as "one," it is used to indicate a single character 901 times. In the remaining instances when it is involved in describing a group effort, it still means one."

Finally, light at the end of the tunnel. Imagine how weak and spiritually bankrupt your religion must be when you have to desperately (Again) say and resort to humanising and downgrading Him

Saying that God can't be close without taking a human form is insulting the teachings of the Prophets and even bible itself, but again, trinitarianism requires a WHOLE LOT of blasphemy to make barely any sense at all. Again, of course, stripping The All Powerful, All Mighty, from any sense of power and might to be able to reach His creation. Trinitarians try to present this disabled, crippled, limping and intelectually retarted version of God (A fake God clearly inspired by the devil himself towards the distorters of the teachings of Jesus) as if it was the standard way everyone around the globe understood Him, and then tell you "Look, someone this crippled can't walk on two legs without the help of a stick."

You are straight saying with a small mouth that "The Father" doesn’t have the power to be close to His creation if he doesn’t have a human form, which is straight contradicting and blaspheming biblical Old Testament teachings of Prophets

In the Bible, it is quoted that David said about "The Father", in Psalm 145:18:
"The Lord is near to all who call on him, to all who call on him in truth."

Allah answers using the most beautiful words and manners (Interpretation of the meaning): Indeed, ˹it is˺ We ˹Who˺ created humankind and ˹fully˺ know what their souls whisper to them, and We are closer to them than ˹their˺ jugular vein.

Here we go again with the last stand of philosophical ramblings to deviate attention in a usual desperate try. I'm starting to think (I always thought about it) that you just copy and paste this stuff, because knowing how your average normal conversation and intellectual level is, i doubt you barely hold any knowledge about all of these matters, let alone read any books except a small selection that fits your preconceived bias, and that's why you use terms like mohammedan so often. For the avid reader, it reflects where all your limited knowledge comes from.

Your entire argument stems about the lack of any understanding (Normal coming from a judeo-christian) of what "Creation" entails. You are just trying to superimpose a definition of Creation to Islam (Probably without even realizing it but just copying and pasting) that entails that "Creation" is "Anything that comes from Nothing", or as defined on the dictionary "the action or process of bringing something into existence."

Islam does not adhere to such lacking definition, that could only come from deviated sects and religions.

In Islam, anything that Allah wills to exist through His command "Be" is under the umbrella of Creation and thus created.

Allah, in His Majesty says (Interpretation of the meaning): He is the One Who has originated the heavens and the earth, and when He wills to (originate) a thing, He only says to it: 'Be', and it becomes.
Take knowledge for example. Was it created? Or did it somehow "pop into existence? In our case, God gave us the knowledge.

Allah, in His Mercy and Wisdom, explains in many verses that he "Taught" us knowledge including writing, and that which entails knowledge, as He says in the first verse ever REVEALED (Not created, but revealed) the next words (Interpretation of the meaning): "Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous.
Who has taught (the writing) by the pen.
He has taught man that which he knew not”
Allah says (Interpretation of the meaning): “Allâh will exalt in degree those of you who believe, and those who have been granted knowledge”

In another verse, Allah says about Khidr (Interpretation of the meaning): “Then they found one of Our slaves, unto whom We had bestowed mercy from Us, and whom We had taught knowledge from Us.”
Allah says (Interpretation of the meaning): “And they ask you (O Muhammad ﷺ) concerning the Ruh (the Soul). Say: ‘The Ruh (the Soul) is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little.’”
We affirm perfect, complete and comprehensive knowledge to Allah, and we negate any deficiency in the knowledge of Allah, while we humans possess deficiency and non complete hold of it due to ignorance, forgetfullness, lack of resources, pride and so on, like you so boldly and shamelessly demonstrate in each and every one of your comments time and time again.

More philosophical ramblings and sybarite close to made up concepts specifically to explain something that has not a SINGLE way out, again copied and pasted. It's like watching a group of train rails ending in the sea and you will just switch rails to live a few more seconds while knowing the inevitable end, scratching every inch of dirt for a lost cause.

You can try to makeup it however you want, there is no way around it.

"Conflating" (Hey look, emojis like you use, but at least mine express something and not just sheer desperation and begging for approval unlike yours) For God's sake! THEY ARE SUPPOSSED TO BE THE SAME!

The way you just infer "Muh we know it via revelation". DUMBASS, it's all because of the constant contradictory biblical narratives and "revelations", and look at you, trying to slither it smoothly as if no one will notice

A man can never be a God, Jesus can never be both Human and God, they both contradict eachother as much as you try to refer back to some sort of made up uniting spirit that makes both Son and Holy Spirit return to the essence of the Father, while at the same time the Son is a created being sitting in his right hand and always being differentiated from him, with even different wills, doubts that The Father does not hold, etc etc etc

You are basically just making God seem like a dirty football team and saying "Yeah, Lampard and Drogba are both Chelsea players so therefore they are both Chelsea, but the owner [Father] is Abramovich so he is Chelsea" and then act as if their wills and goals and objectives are constantly the same when the Bible proves over and over and over again that this is not the case, but then you hide yourself in a "Secret" or "Hidden" ultimate goal in which the three of them supposedly coincide (Without them even explicitly mentioning that goal, God forbid, your scholars will make up that goal for yourself so that God doesn’t get confused) and then act as if Drogba and Lampard didn't have their own goals like getting higher salaries, taking care of specific family members, other priorities in life completely different and contradictory to the will of both the owner and even the other player who want either to manage salaries more conservatively by barely or even not giving a damn share of importance about the goals of the rest, and as if one didn't have a higher hierarchy which by itself is and WILL ALWAYS BE A DIFFERENTIATING TERM.

"The same way Abramovich bought the team, Lampard came out from the junior levels of the team and Drogba was bought from a foreign squad"

The football team analogy is hilarious by itself because it proves exactly the polytheistic origins of the people who manipulated biblical texts during the first centuries after Jesus (Peace and Blessings be upon him) arrived.

It's again the same, you are just picking up human examples from Adam (Peace and Blessings be upon him) and making God human with it

Who: Drogba, Lampard and Abramovich
What: Chelsea who also happens to be Abramovich

(You like the emojis huh)

Same infinite regress. The example as usual with every analogy that has to do with the trinity is ridiculous.

When you say the two papers have a "Distinction" you are admitting they are both different, period. There isn't any way around it.

The definition is: 'characteristic of one person or thing, and so serving to distinguish it from others.'

And it's irrelevant if the two papers have the same "Muh source of ontological existence". When they make socks from a piece of cotton NO ONE IN HIS SANE MIND says "Muh, they are the same sock, they come from the same source of cotton and wool". It just admitting again that you are a polytheist, and pretty much calling all human beings God because "Muh we came from the same source". For God's sake, you went from 3 Gods to more than 8 Billion, the Polytheism is increasing

This is just a Red Herring fallacy, you are pretty much cornered and now need to resort to below the ground games. You were the one who started hanging on the jewish genitalia when you falsely claimed "Muh even jews and buddhists understand this concept", and then i debunked it.

And we are speaking english, the origin of the words Monotheism or Polytheism and from which languages they stem from to the end result in English is irrelevant to me. We use Tawhid and Shirk, we are not dependant upon your dumb constantly changing criteria.

It's amazing because i remember you said some time ago how "Muh Qur'an bad because it is revealed in Arabic to not get distorted and preserve the original meaning which is problematic for us christians", and the Qur'an predicts the kind of people like you who will just resort to any low level argument for the sake of pride

Allah says (Interpretation of the meaning): And if We had made it a non-Arabic Qur'an, they would have said, "Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?" Say, "It is, for those who believe, a guidance and cure." And those who do not believe - in their ears is deafness, and it is upon them blindness. Those are being called from a distant place.

The Qur'an is the Speech of Allah. The Qur'an is uncreated as the Speech of Allah is.

And again, i see you looking for desperate validation as usual. We all know how to mention users to get approval in form of reacts from them even though you know they aren't going to read a single line.

Hey look, i can do it too
@emeraldglass @Gengar @JohnBaza @ryuken

Your heart surely must be pounding like a dog when you see someone having more reacts than you

This is when i know you have completely lost it, when you stop putting emojis together and start putting one by one after finishing a sentence .

Already explained above, here again. Debunked before i even reached this part, for God's sake

Your entire argument stems about the lack of any understanding (Normal coming from a judeo-christian) of what "Creation" entails. You are just trying to superimpose a definition of Creation to Islam (Probably without even realizing it but just copying and pasting) that entails that "Creation" is "Anything that comes from Nothing", or as defined on the dictionary "the action or process of bringing something into existence."

Islam does not adhere to such lacking definition, that could only come from deviated sects and religions.

In Islam, anything that Allah wills to exist through His command "Be" is under the umbrella of Creation and thus created.

Allah, in His Majesty says (Interpretation of the meaning): He is the One Who has originated the heavens and the earth, and when He wills to (originate) a thing, He only says to it: 'Be', and it becomes.

Take knowledge for example. Was it created? Or did it somehow "pop into existence? In our case, God gave us the knowledge.

Allah, in His Mercy and Wisdom, explains in many verses that he "Taught" us knowledge including writing, and that which entails knowledge, as He says in the REVELATION (Not created, but revealed) the next words (Interpretation of the meaning): "Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous.

Who has taught (the writing) by the pen.

He has taught man that which he knew not”

Allah says (Interpretation of the meaning): “Allâh will exalt in degree those of you who believe, and those who have been granted knowledge”

In another verse, Allah says about Khidr (Interpretation of the meaning): “Then they found one of Our slaves, unto whom We had bestowed mercy from Us, and whom We had taught knowledge from Us.”

Allah says (Interpretation of the meaning): “And they ask you (O Muhammad ﷺ) concerning the Ruh (the Soul). Say: ‘The Ruh (the Soul) is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little.’”

We affirm perfect, complete and comprehensive knowledge to Allah, and we negate any deficiency in the knowledge of Allah, while we humans possess deficiency and non complete hold of it due to ignorance, forgetfullness, lack of resources, pride and so on, like you so boldly and shamelessly demonstrate in each and every one of your comments time and time again.



Yet you kept trying to save yourself using it instead of just recognizing the mistake. Showcases how your entire will is based on pride instead of an honest search for truth.

That is almost sort of modalism. Also this is almost a heresy in your sect, because in reality the christian pantheon makes plain and clear The Father have a will and hold more power than the Son and the Holy Spirit

The New Testament states in John 14:26
"But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."

Your analogy is again, lacking and gets stumped upon by the dirty feet of the average shepard. You are basically saying that the Red light sends the Blue light in the name of the Green light, everything through the prism while they both share a same source. It's ridiculous, now you believe in 4 Gods again and created a whole new character . Better than believing in 8 Billion i guess, still Polytheism

One/two lights can force the other to do something. There is also a fourth God who is the highest God in the Pantheon.

They are definetly not undivided. They possess different wills and needs, and they are submitted to a fourth God. You are an heretic on your own polytheistic faith.

They don't have a unique role. The Father is above them and even the Son is above the Spirit. It's a messed up pantheon.

The entire analogy goes against basic biblical teachings, and it is like that with EVERY-SINGLE-ANALOGY

Again appealing to your "Jewish" colleagues?? The same that keep calling you polytheists?? Go ahead, tell me now again about "Muh why are you clinging to a word with greek origins while you are speaking my language muh i got you buddy checkmate muh"

I doubt you even have friends except for the PM section on this trash hole quite frankly, let alone them agreeing with anything you said but that is a different story. At best, if you have any friends and they actually agree with you (Impossible), it's because they haven't opened a Bible in their entire life

I will need some time to read this knowing you I know it's already gonna be based