Why do people still deny the Body/Physique Pill?

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

Guys like you and @Discipline fail to understand that you don't walk around in public with your shirt off 24/7.
In clothes a person with that physique will look DYEL (do you even lift).

You need to look like you lift with both your clothes on and off. Therefore more muscle mass is required than the classic fightclub physique.

Yeah but face is more important at the end of the day and low bf% helps face massively, the goal should always be to remain under 13% bodyfat imo just because being THAT lean halos your face so hard it's insane.

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

I posted a thread about this just yesterday. Being a twink pretty boy vs. having a great masculine physique is like this

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vs. this

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the first one is nice to look from an aesthetics pov at but only the latter really gets your dick hard. it's the same shit for women. that's why pretty boys rarely slay unless they have status or they're thugmaxed.

I have a nice face which gets my foot in the door but girls never just give it up to me like they do buff frat douches and athletes. just ends in being strung along and looked at as a "serious" option when I'm not trying to date.

Lol the first imagei s three thousnad times hotter than the second, victoria secret models have ideal lean physiques, I genuinely dislike the instagram bodies, they're uncanny and unattractive.

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

You can do cardio but not an absolute necessity imo when doing a 'lean bulk' but it is good for cardiovascular health so you can add it in at the end of the day or after a workout if you really want. Keep in mind it will burn even more calories so you might have to consume even more to remain in a surplus.

Yes eventually you can cut but you want to first gain some lbs of muscle mass and then gradually cut to reduce fat where you might lose some muscle but the net muscle amount left over will be greater than when you first started.

with high volume and intensity for optimal anabolism.

If your skinny fat, then you need to cut. Escaping is a 2 step process with the first one being shedding the dough.

This site cowboys4angels (https://cowboys4angels.com/company/) is a straight male escort company that caters exclusively to women.

Some are bald while others have hair
Some are white others are black
Some have tats while others don't
Some are older some are younger

But they all have one thing in common:

Spoiler

lean muscular looking physique

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If face and height were the ONLY things that mattered then why is their site plastered with pics of men showcasing their impressive physiques?
Remember these are straight men catering to women, so if face and height were the only things that mattered we wouldn't see so much emphasis on body pics.

Even back in the 1900's, the cover of romance novels always had a guy with a gymcelled physique
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The reality is these escorts and models on the cover of romance novels have almost the entire package if not the entire package (face + height + physique). But they do not neglect the importance of a good physique when it comes to sexual attraction unlike many on PSL sites do.

It's seriously over unless you look like a stereotypical fighting game character, street fighter , body and facially.

What tiktok eboys, twink male models, and pretty boys look like to most woman.

What a super masculine guy like Fabio or Tillman remind women of.

 

[King Solomon]

I don't really see or hear anyone denying improving one's physique isn't a bonus in most cases. However, these are the things I'd like to add to the conversation:

1.) The physique is a bonus: for most men the physique or aesthetics will not make or break you for most women. This can increase your SMV slightly say from a 7 to a 7.5 maybe 1 whole point max. The physique on men isn't as important to women as women's physique is to a man.

2.) Those who are sub 5 in the face improving their physique will not do anything to increase their SMV as they don't meet the bare minimum for over 95% of women. For pure SMV in terms of physical attractiveness the physique increase/improvement does next to nothing. This is what we call a gymcel.

3.) Over doing it. It's a fallacy that women want a bunch of body builders when it's quite the contrary as there's a point to which you get negative returns on building more muscle just like if you continue to get taller eventually if you go over 6'5" you're starting to have negative returns as you will be considered to tall for most women. There's a sweet spot and I see many people on here deny this fact and say oh taller is always better bro. Even that site the OP has most men are of the lean aesthetic version with a decent amount of musle but not a body builder. Overall the max is essentially prime Connor Murphy. I believe he's the max one should go for muscle building as the athletic look is overall the most attractive to females. He's sub 10% body fat with 30 lbs of extra muslce packed on the body probably 6'1" 190 lbs. He has some vascularity but nothing crazy that looks alien.

4.) The best thing building your body can do is build your confidence. Sure it can potentially increase your attractiveness as well but after 1-2 years of packing on about 30 lbs of lean muslce while going to the gym every day will increase your overall confidence in yourself dramatically. It's a foundational habit that you can stack other habits on top of. You now know and see that you can trasnform your body into a machine in a fairly short time and there's not much else that limits you from doing a similar transfromation in every aspect of your life (finances, game, personality, intelligence, skills, business, etc.



I believe in the end everyone should lift not only to potentially increase your SMV but to increase your overall confidence and use this habit as a foundational habit to stack other habits on. Many areas of your life can improve from building a powerfull physique and training daily, mental abilities, confidence, athleticism, strength, discipline, luck with the ladies, even finances if you turn it into a business. Don't do this for the women do it as a fucking challenge to break goals you never thought possible.

 

[Warlow]

I not only deny the bodypill, I actively argue against it.

a good body never built civilizations, never oversaw administrations, created jobs. Those were all made from soft, fine hands and delicate but handsome faces. The types of individuals who worked behind the scenes and not on the front line.

body is a cope because it is used to control the subservient and low IQ masses: the laborers, the slaves, the swine.

bill gates: horrendously out of shape

warren buffet: hasn't seen a gym since the early 50's

Julius caesar: never touched a barbell in his life

 

[thereallegend]

The thing is that you can't have a good looking face without consistent gymcelling to at least leanmax and stay at a low body fat.

Also, getting a good frame and visible abs makes gymcelling worth it.

 

[RobticaI]

This is ideal -
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I can get like that with a work out pump and not eating calories for two days.

 

[RobticaI]

Guys like you and @Discipline fail to understand that you don't walk around in public with your shirt off 24/7.
In clothes a person with that physique will look DYEL (do you even lift).

You need to look like you lift with both your clothes on and off. Therefore more muscle mass is required than the classic fightclub physique.

I walk around everywhere with my shirt off in the summer, and in the winter I like wearing a hoodie or jackets.

 

[King Solomon]

I not only deny the bodypill, I actively argue against it.

a good body never built civilizations, never oversaw administrations, created jobs. Those were all made from soft, fine hands and delicate but handsome faces. The types of individuals who worked behind the scenes and not on the front line.

body is a cope because it is used to control the subservient and low IQ masses: the laborers, the slaves, the swine.

bill gates: horrendously out of shape

warren buffet: hasn't seen a gym since the early 50's

Julius caesar: never touched a barbell in his life

Those are terrible examples. Bill Gates never built shit just stole from others and claimed as his. Dude looks weaker than his previous wife. She looks more like a man than him.

Buffet didn't build much as he just an investor. Boring

Ceasar: Great leader for winning wars but was great at destroying things not building.

Perhaps Temüjin aka Genghis Khan was the Emperer of the greatest most vast empire in world history with the Mongol empire that he built. He was basically a slave at one point, then a warrior then eventaully he united many tribes to create a powerfull army. His military tactics, ability to govern his empire was advanced for his time. He slept with 10's of thousands of women. Now he didn't build this vast and strong empire by being a weak wrist beta male simp. No this dude faught in the fucking trenches and not only physically over powered his opponents but mentally defeated them as well.

Great leaders of men and builders of the known world were alpha males and to be an alpha male you must have physical and mental strength.

Having just high intellect isn't enough to build great empires. Those with just great intellect and specific skill sets will be used not as slaves but as pawns by the Alpha's.

 

[Warlow]

Those are terrible examples. Bill Gates never built shit just stole from others and claimed as his. Dude looks weaker than his previous wife. She looks more like a man than him.

Buffet didn't build much as he just an investor. Boring

Ceasar: Great leader for winning wars but was great at destroying things not building.

Perhaps Temüjin aka Genghis Khan was the Emperer of the greatest most vast empire in world history with the Mongol empire that he built. He was basically a slave at one point, then a warrior then eventaully he united many tribes to create a powerfull army. His military tactics, ability to govern his empire was advanced for his time. He slept with 10's of thousands of women. Now he didn't build this vast and strong empire by being a weak wrist beta male simp. No this dude faught in the fucking trenches and not only physically over powered his opponents but mentally defeated them as well.

Great leaders of men and builders of the known world were alpha males and to be an alpha male you must have physical and mental strength.

Having just high intellect isn't enough to build great empires. Those with just great intellect and specific skill sets will be used not as slaves but as pawns by the Alpha's.

Did the lord himself ever touch a squat rack?

case closed

 

[King Solomon]

Did the lord himself ever touch a squat rack?

case closed

Lord wasn't human he was God in the flesh and there will only ever be one like him on this earth.


End of discussion

 

[Constantin Denis]

MILF destroyer

More like jb destroyer

 

[Lihito]

More like jb destroyer

Bro i legit had a female profesor 40 years old fucking a guy with that body but more masculine face with stuble

MILFS love that body but i agree his face is more JB appeal

 

[Constantin Denis]

Bro i legit had a female profesor 40 years old fucking a guy with that body but more masculine face with stuble

MILFS love that body but i agree his face is more JB appeal

He appeals to all age ranges ngl

 

[Lihito]

He appeals to all age ranges ngl

Bro i wish i was him so i could destroy my MILF whore profesor

I fucking hate when my whore prof uses me as her lap dog while she fucks chads by The side

 

[the next o'pry]

@Kingkellz for pics like this

they see this and believes just because some chads arent gymmaxxed is cope

but if you’re sub chad and have a decent height it’s gonna be a halo specially because seeing guys with PSL chad faces aren’t common irl

 

[JustDoIt]

Physique deniers look at a pic like this

and don't even realize that to get to that point you need at least 2~3 years of effort, depending on the starting physique.

Also, roidmaxxers would say this guy looks DYEL if he has a shirt on, truth is that he doesn't. If you're lean people can see from your forearms/neck/face/'shoulder width'/pecbump/ass that you have a good physique.

You don't need to even get close as to some people here are saying for your body to halo you, but to even get to that point you have to put hard effort for ~2 years at minimum.

 

[JustDoIt]

@Kingkellz for pics like this
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they see this and believes just because some chads arent gymmaxxed is cope

but if you’re sub chad and have a decent height it’s gonna be a halo specially because seeing guys with PSL chad faces aren’t common irl

This is better than 99% of people already and requires imense effort if you are skinny fat. It's much easier to get to that point if you've been active for a long time already though.

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

@Kingkellz for pics like this
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they see this and believes just because some chads arent gymmaxxed is cope

but if you’re sub chad and have a decent height it’s gonna be a halo specially because seeing guys with PSL chad faces aren’t common irl

Both of these guys, well at least nick Bateman gymcels as far as I know.

 

[Amexmaxx]

 

[Deleted member 14781]

Jfl i literally have a philippino and a black friends who are both short but have great bodies and have a higher bodycount than me

 

[Yellowskies]

Nobody denies it

no one denied a good physique is better than a shit physique.. op missed this

just that height and face is a gazillion times more important

 

[Yliaster]

Jfl i literally have a philippino and a black friends who are both short but have great bodies and have a higher bodycount than me

Swear everyone knows a fckn guy

 

[Deleted member 14781]

Swear everyone knows a fckn guy

The bodypill is well documented go lift loser

 

[Blackgymmax]

You don't walk around with your shirt off all day everywhere do you?
In clothes he would look DYEL
Therefore you need much more mass than those guys have.

it should actually lengthen it

who cares about being completely natty
you don't need tons of compounds at high dosages lol
Some mk677 (25ml a day), Test (250mg actually 100-200 is safer a week), and maybe some dbol or hcg with all that would be good enough imo

Main reason why im on trt. Natural i never look like i lift in a shirt

 

[Blackgymmax]

I notice every time I see a physique on here, it's either a horrible physique from a guy who is coping, or it's an average physique from a guy who says he's jacked af. I think very very few people here are actually jacked

I am jacked. It's such an obscene halo, I feel bad for anyone who doesn't understand this. If you are simultaneously muscular and lean, just a great masculine body, it drives women crazy.

I mean, no shit. Think about how WE perceive the female body. Imagine a tight skinny body with a nice ass and perky tits, and imagine how we react to seeing it. This is how females perceive muscular men

Chadlite with a jacked physique or even htns have mega giga tera high smv. Theres a dude on my fb fl whos 240lbs lean 6'1 htn to chadlite face w so many orbitets jfl. His physique is about the size of dwayne johnson

 

[Ryan]

This site cowboys4angels (https://cowboys4angels.com/company/) is a straight male escort company that caters exclusively to women.

Some are bald while others have hair
Some are white others are black
Some have tats while others don't
Some are older some are younger

But they all have one thing in common:

Spoiler

lean muscular looking physique

View attachment 1406420View attachment 1406421

If face and height were the ONLY things that mattered then why is their site plastered with pics of men showcasing their impressive physiques?
Remember these are straight men catering to women, so if face and height were the only things that mattered we wouldn't see so much emphasis on body pics.

Even back in the 1900's, the cover of romance novels always had a guy with a gymcelled physique
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The reality is these escorts and models on the cover of romance novels have almost the entire package if not the entire package (face + height + physique). But they do not neglect the importance of a good physique when it comes to sexual attraction unlike many on PSL sites do.

Cope wide clavicles is all that matters

 

[LOST]

They deny cause surgeries and mewing or applying shit on the face is almost effortless, just save money, and do it.
Gym requires too much sacrifices, so is better to deny and cry like mfckers.

IF SOMEONE IN THIS FORUM is not gymmaxxing, should be permanently banned, i am sorry, but its the best or one of the best ways to ascend

 

[Blackgymmax]

no one denied a good physique is better than a shit physique.. op missed this

just that height and face is a gazillion times more important

Height isnt more important past like 5'9. It doesnt really boost your smv anywhere close to physique but face is obv way more important. Theres no tinder experiment with an htn who booms in matches bc 6'1 however there is evidence of significant increases given gymcelled + not looking like a manlet

 

[Blackgymmax]

I posted a thread about this just yesterday. Being a twink pretty boy vs. having a great masculine physique is like this

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vs. this

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the first one is nice to look from an aesthetics pov at but only the latter really gets your dick hard. it's the same shit for women. that's why pretty boys rarely slay unless they have status or they're thugmaxed.

I have a nice face which gets my foot in the door but girls never just give it up to me like they do buff frat douches and athletes. just ends in being strung along and looked at as a "serious" option when I'm not trying to date.

Well thats not true but judging from how fat she is i know youre black

 

[lebanegro]

Well thats not true but judging from how fat she is i know youre black

im less black than your cooning ass

 

[Blackgymmax]

im less black than your cooning ass

Niggers and their morbidly obese white girls

 

[Yellowskies]

Height isnt more important past like 5'9. It doesnt really boost your smv anywhere close to physique but face is obv way more important. Theres no tinder experiment with an htn who booms in matches bc 6'1 however there is evidence of significant increases given gymcelled + not looking like a manlet

on tinder yea

on tinder

where everyone is the same height

irl its game over.

 

[Deleted member 12002]

This site cowboys4angels (https://cowboys4angels.com/company/) is a straight male escort company that caters exclusively to women.

Some are bald while others have hair
Some are white others are black
Some have tats while others don't
Some are older some are younger

But they all have one thing in common:

Spoiler

lean muscular looking physique

View attachment 1406420View attachment 1406421

If face and height were the ONLY things that mattered then why is their site plastered with pics of men showcasing their impressive physiques?
Remember these are straight men catering to women, so if face and height were the only things that mattered we wouldn't see so much emphasis on body pics.

Even back in the 1900's, the cover of romance novels always had a guy with a gymcelled physique
View attachment 1406439View attachment 1406440View attachment 1406441

The reality is these escorts and models on the cover of romance novels have almost the entire package if not the entire package (face + height + physique). But they do not neglect the importance of a good physique when it comes to sexual attraction unlike many on PSL sites do.

个
Yeah, I'd still rather be like this dude than those other fags any day.

 

[Slasher]

It Depends, Some Users Here Like @ilyess Are Pretty Fit:

 

[Midgetcel]

height > face > race > (incel barrier, worthless without the previous three) frame > muscle mass

 

[Birdcell]

This site cowboys4angels (https://cowboys4angels.com/company/) is a straight male escort company that caters exclusively to women.

Some are bald while others have hair
Some are white others are black
Some have tats while others don't
Some are older some are younger

But they all have one thing in common:

Spoiler

lean muscular looking physique

View attachment 1406420View attachment 1406421

If face and height were the ONLY things that mattered then why is their site plastered with pics of men showcasing their impressive physiques?
Remember these are straight men catering to women, so if face and height were the only things that mattered we wouldn't see so much emphasis on body pics.

Even back in the 1900's, the cover of romance novels always had a guy with a gymcelled physique
View attachment 1406439View attachment 1406440View attachment 1406441

The reality is these escorts and models on the cover of romance novels have almost the entire package if not the entire package (face + height + physique). But they do not neglect the importance of a good physique when it comes to sexual attraction like many on PSL sites do.

This Trevor dude looks 7psl+ and moggs every MM that I know of

 

[softlysoftly]

glad I found this thread now I wonder how cope artists like @Rupert Pupkin @Tenshi @BucketCrab will cope

 

[Tenshi]

"mostly females" yeah sure jfl it's no breaking news that a lot of bodybuilders maintain their expensive "hobby" by doing either gay porn or fucking some rich old flag in the ass, you can look it up, your idols are faggots. The reason is simply that these bodies are not attractive. Plenty of studies out there showing that and anecdotally all women I know say they're grossed out by these hunks

And even then, it's a niche among fags, most fags will almost always choose a fit pretty boy or a maesthetic dude over any muscled ogre

You guys can't stop coping because gymcelling became your life and accepting your activity is mostly pointless and actually failoing you all is basically giving up on life

 

[Meteor21]

Because it gets in the way of their defeatist mindset

 

[softlysoftly]

The reason is simply that these bodies are not attractive. Plenty of studies out there showing that

show even one study you lying coper

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

I don't really see or hear anyone denying improving one's physique isn't a bonus in most cases. However, these are the things I'd like to add to the conversation:

1.) The physique is a bonus: for most men the physique or aesthetics will not make or break you for most women. This can increase your SMV slightly say from a 7 to a 7.5 maybe 1 whole point max. The physique on men isn't as important to women as women's physique is to a man.

2.) Those who are sub 5 in the face improving their physique will not do anything to increase their SMV as they don't meet the bare minimum for over 95% of women. For pure SMV in terms of physical attractiveness the physique increase/improvement does next to nothing. This is what we call a gymcel.

3.) Over doing it. It's a fallacy that women want a bunch of body builders when it's quite the contrary as there's a point to which you get negative returns on building more muscle just like if you continue to get taller eventually if you go over 6'5" you're starting to have negative returns as you will be considered to tall for most women. There's a sweet spot and I see many people on here deny this fact and say oh taller is always better bro. Even that site the OP has most men are of the lean aesthetic version with a decent amount of musle but not a body builder. Overall the max is essentially prime Connor Murphy. I believe he's the max one should go for muscle building as the athletic look is overall the most attractive to females. He's sub 10% body fat with 30 lbs of extra muslce packed on the body probably 6'1" 190 lbs. He has some vascularity but nothing crazy that looks alien.

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4.) The best thing building your body can do is build your confidence. Sure it can potentially increase your attractiveness as well but after 1-2 years of packing on about 30 lbs of lean muslce while going to the gym every day will increase your overall confidence in yourself dramatically. It's a foundational habit that you can stack other habits on top of. You now know and see that you can trasnform your body into a machine in a fairly short time and there's not much else that limits you from doing a similar transfromation in every aspect of your life (finances, game, personality, intelligence, skills, business, etc.



I believe in the end everyone should lift not only to potentially increase your SMV but to increase your overall confidence and use this habit as a foundational habit to stack other habits on. Many areas of your life can improve from building a powerfull physique and training daily, mental abilities, confidence, athleticism, strength, discipline, luck with the ladies, even finances if you turn it into a business. Don't do this for the women do it as a fucking challenge to break goals you never thought possible.

"
I believe in the end everyone should lift not only to potentially increase your SMV but to increase your overall confidence and use this habit as a foundational habit to stack other habits on. Many areas of your life can improve from building a powerfull physique and training daily, mental abilities, confidence, athleticism, strength, discipline, luck with the ladies, even finances if you turn it into a business. Don't do this for the women do it as a fucking challenge to break goals you never thought possible."

This this this, bodybuilding builds every area of your life

 

[KING REIDYZ]

"mostly females" yeah sure jfl it's no breaking news that a lot of bodybuilders maintain their expensive "hobby" by doing either gay porn or fucking some rich old flag in the ass, you can look it up, your idols are faggots. The reason is simply that these bodies are not attractive. Plenty of studies out there showing that and anecdotally all women I know say they're grossed out by these hunks

And even then, it's a niche among fags, most fags will almost always choose a fit pretty boy or a maesthetic dude over any muscled ogre

You guys can't stop coping because gymcelling became your life and accepting your activity is mostly pointless and actually failoing you all is basically giving up on life

No one is talking about muscled ogres lol ?

 

[KING REIDYZ]

show even one study you lying coper

Don't bother must be a lazy incel with bad genetics or he is just retarded

 

[softlysoftly]

No one is talking about muscled ogres lol ?

he has been exposed and will be run off the forum inshallah

 

[Tenshi]

show even one study you lying coper

when i get home I'll link some

but either way you don't need a study to see that, just like men don't like bodybuilder physique on women it's the same the other way around, these bodies are unnatural and off putting

 

[KING REIDYZ]

when i get home I'll link some

but either way you don't need a study to see that, just like men don't like bodybuilder physique on women it's the same the other way around, these bodies are unnatural and off putting

Whats your definiton of a bodybuilder physique ?

 

[Tenshi]

Whats your definiton of a bodybuilder physique ?

anything that isn't maintained naturally without absurd amounts of either: drugs, exercising and food.

but for a more precisely imagery: all these gay weirdos in the original post

 

[KING REIDYZ]

anything that isn't maintained naturally without absurd amounts of either: drugs, exercising and food.

but for a more precisely imagery: all these gay weirdos in the original post

Cope they have idéal physique

 

[Deleted member 27472]

I don't know too much about this tbh, I'm trying some kegels and jelqing to see if there are any improvements.
I think this vid might be helpful if you haven't seen it already.


yeah it might be less effective for manlets but at least it worked for manlets like Jeff Nippard, Greg Douccette, StephisCold, and Matt Ogus

I already addressed posts like this earlier.
They simply won't look impressive in clothes unless you have top tier frame and maybe height too.
In clothes they will most likely look DYEL (they simply won't stand out in clubs and parties or even on the street). More mass than that guy doesn't hurt you don't have to be IFBB pro level but definitely more than that swimmer.

You need something at least like this
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"too much" for women would probably be something like this
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Based thread @5.5psl