why don't you believe in god?

[Awan]

There are no “right paths” if there’s no god your just going through the motions and a slave to your chemical neuron activations you essentially have no free will . As I said true atheism leads to Nihilism everything you think is alls objective and not even true or meaningful in anyway, it’s quite sad tbh. I feel you guys don’t look or think deep enough about these things to reach an adequate sensible conclusion and instead look on the surface level for everything

The irony of what you said about feeling pride is that a true Christian would feel shame at their sins a true Christian would feel many things but most off all regret pain and resolution to do better for the world and themselves.

Pride is not the fruit of the spirit it’s not the fruit of a Christian. Our saints speak on such things, humility is so crucial for our religion Christ himself humbled himself to become a man and even he washed the feet of his disciples. What greater act of love and humility is there than that? So my point stands so.

There's no right or wrong path in this world
I'm not a nihilist,I do believe that I have a purpose in life,My life will not be meaningless,I will pursue my personal goals and live life according to myself.
Me personally,at this point even if I the existence of God was confirmed but I had to live according to rules,I'd have to give up "eternal life in heaven".

That's the sad part,you've willingly brainwashed yourself into not doing what your heart desires but becoming sheep following some schizo sandnigger who was born a bustard and died a Virgin just because you coincidentally happened to be born into a brainwashed sheep household.

Sheep ramblings at the end dnrd.

 

[william.]

There are no “right paths” if there’s no god your just going through the motions and a slave to your chemical neuron activations you essentially have no free will . As I said true atheism leads to Nihilism everything you think is alls objective and not even true or meaningful in anyway, it’s quite sad tbh. I feel you guys don’t look or think deep enough about these things to reach an adequate sensible conclusion and instead look on the surface level for everything

The irony of what you said about feeling pride is that a true Christian would feel shame at their sins a true Christian would feel many things but most off all regret pain and resolution to do better for the world and themselves.

Pride is not the fruit of the spirit it’s not the fruit of a Christian. Our saints speak on such things, humility is so crucial for our religion Christ himself humbled himself to become a man and even he washed the feet of his disciples. What greater act of love and humility is there than that? So my point stands so.

are u gonna respond libro?

 

[CrxelWxrld69]

because he isnt real nigga

 

[iblamexyz]

because he isnt real nigga

what makes you say that

 

[CrxelWxrld69]

what makes you say that

because if there actually was a god, he wouldnt make some people chads and some people absolute subhumans and let them suffer

 

[iblamexyz]

because if there actually was a god, he wouldnt make some people chads and some people absolute subhumans and let them suffer

like I said previously in this thread god is like a father he created everyone in his image and his image is perfect because he is perfect

although since he's like father he wouldn't look at us with lustful intent just like you wouldn't look at your sister or mother and daughter with lustful intent.

we are a soul for god

 

[CrxelWxrld69]

like I said previously in this thread god is like a father he created everyone in his image and his image is perfect because he is perfect

although since he's like father he wouldn't look at us with lustful intent just like you wouldn't look at your sister or mother and daughter with lustful intent.

we are a soul for god

this doesnt even answer my statement idiot.

 

[CrxelWxrld69]

like I said previously in this thread god is like a father he created everyone in his image and his image is perfect because he is perfect

although since he's like father he wouldn't look at us with lustful intent just like you wouldn't look at your sister or mother and daughter with lustful intent.

we are a soul for god

also im 100 percent convinced that if you were in my position you wouldnt believe in god aswell

 

[iblamexyz]

also im 100 percent convinced that if you were in my position you wouldnt believe in god aswell

I disagree I know tons of subs 5/ltn who believe in god

this doesnt even answer my statement idiot.

okay put it simply if you were chad would you put your looks above god or would your looks before your god?

 

[CrxelWxrld69]

I disagree I know tons of subs 5/ltn who believe in god

okay put it simply if you were chad would you put your looks above god or would your looks before your god?

nah if i was chad i wouldnt believe in him neither

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

There's no right or wrong path in this world
I'm not a nihilist,I do believe that I have a purpose in life,My life will not be meaningless,I will pursue my personal goals and live life according to myself.
Me personally,at this point even if I the existence of God was confirmed but I had to live according to rules,I'd have to give up "eternal life in heaven".

That's the sad part,you've willingly brainwashed yourself into not doing what your heart desires but becoming sheep following some schizo sandnigger who was born a bustard and died a Virgin just because you coincidentally happened to be born into a brainwashed sheep household.

Sheep ramblings at the end dnrd.

You have 0 purpose anything you think you achieved is all worthless you are worthless and anything you do and they thing you do is. It your gonna be a GAYtheist do it properly don’t half ass it go all in

And the blasphemy you speak at the end won’t detract from the reality of your sad meaningless pathetic existence.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Okay, at least your IQ is way higher than your friend’s — but it’s still impossible to prove a lie.

First of all, there’s no proof that the people who witnessed it were neutral. I could also gather people who claim to be eyewitnesses for a religion I create(stupid argument ik, but yeah). Islam, for example, also has these so-called witnesses — so what the fuck is the difference? I wasn’t comparing the religions themselves, I was comparing the "proof" of them.

As I’ve already said, God is unfair — and you haven’t replied to that. My point still standsn and, it’s very obvious He doesn’t want people to go to heaven, because He made existence so unclear and unprovable.
And as ive said why would he not make looks subjective if he isnt evil? something he easily could, right?

You’re assuming logic needs a metaphysical origin, but logic is just a system of consistent rules humans use to describe relationships between ideas. It doesn’t "exist" like a physical object, and it doesn’t require a divine source. Also, you’re using logic to argue that logic can’t exist without God — that’s self-defeating. If logic needs God, then your own argument collapses under its own weight.

If you’re asking for my personal opinion, I’ll be honest: I don’t know. But I definitely don’t believe in evolution. Tbh i belive "science" to be a kind of religion and part of an agenda. Ill give it to you tho the west was much better when everyone believed in god.

YES, I’m bitching on religions — because it’s obviously a tool for making massive amounts of money. Are you even aware of how much money circulates within the Vatican and other major churches? and also control lowiqs.

The standard im using to my claim "god is evil" is the following: human suffering caused by god. for example the bp, natural disaster ect. i am making the claim under your worldveiw because god in chirstinaty is claimed to hate human suffering.
(Lamentations 3:32-33). God does not want people to suffer, and He will end suffering. He just has not done it yet.
Also objective morality is BS, where is the proof of stealing being wrong. If I benefit from stealing then how would it not beabsolutely morally right."you go to hell" fair enough is thats the response.


yeah the irl situation was stupid and didnt fit in
Answer my question? you didnt answer my arguments*

This is dumbass logic

The people who witnessed the resurrection were the same who saw their teacher get killed. Roman crucifixions had an 100% death rate look it up .

They said they saw this dead man come back to life and even Thomas (Jesus brother well his cousin but yeah) was sceptical and only believed when he put his hands in the nails and his rib cage and felt the scars off the event Matthew 28

These men had nothing to gain from going from standard 2nd temple Jews to being Christian’s. They got scorn kicked out their special people club, branded heretics and had the authorities with writs put on their head to legally kill them, they gained no wealth no popularity and only gained suffering


Now lemme ask you who lies for this result? Why is it in act 7 when Steven is stoned to death he doesn’t once say “It was a lie” no he simply smiles and says forgive them for they not know what they do.

You can say they went mad but nobody hallucinates the same thing, Paul claims hundreds of people saw it and all retail the same account and from the gospels we can vouch for that much. Point is it cannot be an random mental break of hallucination.

No other religion is based on such accounts as I said only Christianity is based on historical accounts. Even Islam isn’t historical and infact denies history claiming the crucifixion never happened which is laughable to any historian. And only MOHAMMED SAW THE REVELATION NOBODY ELSE SAW IT it was literally Mohammedens words alone you cannot compare Christianity and Islam infact many scholars debate if Mohammed even existed

GOD IS UNFAIR WAAAH WAAAAAH

In regards to “god being unfair” well to be frank I don’t need to reply to it, your the one that has to give an account as to what criterion fairness subscribes to and then provide an coherent justification as to why I ought to accept your standard for “fairness” something you cannot and WONT do. Idc about your opinions I care about facts. Come to me with that or I’ll give you the same presup responses

God wants humans to chose him out of love and their own free will, if he sat there in jereuslem the world would worship him out of fear not out of choice so this was the best way to do that, also heaven and hell exist but hell is a place for people like you who chose to not be with god in their life dunno why GAYthiests cry about hell so much something that they claim doesn’t exist really peeves them I wonder why and yes you SEND YOURSELF to hell god is loving and he won’t FORCE you idiots to be with him he gives you what you want a place away from him aka hell you idiots need to stop crying about hell it was your own choice. God doesn’t want people to suffer but we brought suffering and death into creation by our fall that’s why God came to earth as a man and conquered it for us so we no longer have to suffer in the new world to come this is literally Christian theology 101 and you don’t even know the bare basics off the faith yet your confident enough to run your mouth. Even saying “god is evil” once again what is evil? What objective criterion are you using to judge evil and good? By what standard your own? That means nothing once again your a fallacy machine I handle with facts not stupid opinions


LOGIC AND REASON

If logic is just a human invention, like a game or a set of arbitrary rules, then it has no claim to truth. But logic isn’t something we made up; it’s something we discovered. For example, the law of non-contradiction (A ≠ not-A) holds universally, it’s not a matter of opinion, language, or culture. We didn’t invent that. We recognised it.

Also, when you say, “logic is a consistent system,” you’re already appealing to something objective, consistency. But where does this consistency come from, and why does it hold universally across space and time, even outside human minds?

In classical theism (especially within Christian and Orthodox philosophy), logic reflects the nature of God, who is not “another object” in the universe but the grounding of all being and reason itself. Logic isn’t above God; it’s an expression of His rational nature.

So no, using logic to argue for God isn’t self-defeating — unless you assume from the start that logic is purely man-made. But that’s the very point being contested. You’re presupposing naturalism to argue against theism, which is circular.

Also I agree GAYTHEIST Evolution is a RELGION BUT:
Rejecting evolution is your choice but if you reject both science and theology, what exactly are you standing on? Personal intuition? That’s not stable ground. If you think there’s a creator but reject both God and science, then your worldview is undefined, which is intellectually lazy, not profound. And if berthing is untrustworthy and a RELGION then you fall into subjectivity and now we must ask how and why should we trust your subjective view how can you account for your experiences being true in off themselves (you can’t) especially when you reject empiricism and reason now.

And the low tier “MUH RELGION IS A JEWISH PLOT TO CONTROL THE MASSES:
That’s a popular modern meme, not a serious argument. Yes, religious institutions like all human institutions can be corrupted. So can science, governments, media, and corporations. That proves human sin, not that the divine is fake.

If anything, the fact that people have tried to monetise religion shows its power and importance, not its falsehood. You don’t build counterfeit currency of things that have no real value.

Also calling it Low IQ is ironic considering the greatest minds in history Aquinas, Newton, Pascal, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Tolkien were deeply religious. Even today, countless scientists, philosophers, and engineers are Christian, Muslim, or Jewish. Faith isn’t about being dumb. It’s about recognising that reason has limits and that the deepest truths may go beyond what can be measured in a lab. Something which I am sure you’re beginning to realise. This is why I told the other guy you were debating to stop trying to debate as he lacks the skills and knowledge to confront GAYtheist arguments and will just get shat on but be patient with him through my argument she’s learning how to better defend his faith and that’s good.

Also I’m impressed you at least acknowledge the sensibilities of RELGION and Christ as a whole and its positive impact on the world compared to rampant degeneracy of Shitlam and secularism that’s the most profound thing you have said Maybe, just maybe, the moral and spiritual foundation provided by Christianity wasn’t about “controlling people,” but about grounding civilisation. If it was all fake, why did it work so well for so long?

 

[william.]

This is dumbass logic

The people who witnessed the resurrection were the same who saw their teacher get killed. Roman crucifixions had an 100% death rate look it up .

They said they saw this dead man come back to life and even Thomas (Jesus brother well his cousin but yeah) was sceptical and only believed when he put his hands in the nails and his rib cage and felt the scars off the event Matthew 28

These men had nothing to gain from going from standard 2nd temple Jews to being Christian’s. They got scorn kicked out their special people club, branded heretics and had the authorities with writs put on their head to legally kill them, they gained no wealth no popularity and only gained suffering


Now lemme ask you who lies for this result? Why is it in act 7 when Steven is stoned to death he doesn’t once say “It was a lie” no he simply smiles and says forgive them for they not know what they do.

You can say they went mad but nobody hallucinates the same thing, Paul claims hundreds of people saw it and all retail the same account and from the gospels we can vouch for that much. Point is it cannot be an random mental break of hallucination.

No other religion is based on such accounts as I said only Christianity is based on historical accounts. Even Islam isn’t historical and infact denies history claiming the crucifixion never happened which is laughable to any historian. And only MOHAMMED SAW THE REVELATION NOBODY ELSE SAW IT it was literally Mohammedens words alone you cannot compare Christianity and Islam infact many scholars debate if Mohammed even existed

GOD IS UNFAIR WAAAH WAAAAAH

In regards to “god being unfair” well to be frank I don’t need to reply to it, your the one that has to give an account as to what criterion fairness subscribes to and then provide an coherent justification as to why I ought to accept your standard for “fairness” something you cannot and WONT do. Idc about your opinions I care about facts. Come to me with that or I’ll give you the same presup responses

God wants humans to chose him out of love and their own free will, if he sat there in jereuslem the world would worship him out of fear not out of choice so this was the best way to do that, also heaven and hell exist but hell is a place for people like you who chose to not be with god in their life dunno why GAYthiests cry about hell so much something that they claim doesn’t exist really peeves them I wonder why and yes you SEND YOURSELF to hell god is loving and he won’t FORCE you idiots to be with him he gives you what you want a place away from him aka hell you idiots need to stop crying about hell it was your own choice. God doesn’t want people to suffer but we brought suffering and death into creation by our fall that’s why God came to earth as a man and conquered it for us so we no longer have to suffer in the new world to come this is literally Christian theology 101 and you don’t even know the bare basics off the faith yet your confident enough to run your mouth. Even saying “god is evil” once again what is evil? What objective criterion are you using to judge evil and good? By what standard your own? That means nothing once again your a fallacy machine I handle with facts not stupid opinions


LOGIC AND REASON

If logic is just a human invention, like a game or a set of arbitrary rules, then it has no claim to truth. But logic isn’t something we made up; it’s something we discovered. For example, the law of non-contradiction (A ≠ not-A) holds universally, it’s not a matter of opinion, language, or culture. We didn’t invent that. We recognised it.

Also, when you say, “logic is a consistent system,” you’re already appealing to something objective, consistency. But where does this consistency come from, and why does it hold universally across space and time, even outside human minds?

In classical theism (especially within Christian and Orthodox philosophy), logic reflects the nature of God, who is not “another object” in the universe but the grounding of all being and reason itself. Logic isn’t above God; it’s an expression of His rational nature.

So no, using logic to argue for God isn’t self-defeating — unless you assume from the start that logic is purely man-made. But that’s the very point being contested. You’re presupposing naturalism to argue against theism, which is circular.

Also I agree GAYTHEIST Evolution is a RELGION BUT:
Rejecting evolution is your choice but if you reject both science and theology, what exactly are you standing on? Personal intuition? That’s not stable ground. If you think there’s a creator but reject both God and science, then your worldview is undefined, which is intellectually lazy, not profound. And if berthing is untrustworthy and a RELGION then you fall into subjectivity and now we must ask how and why should we trust your subjective view how can you account for your experiences being true in off themselves (you can’t) especially when you reject empiricism and reason now.

And the low tier “MUH RELGION IS A JEWISH PLOT TO CONTROL THE MASSES:
That’s a popular modern meme, not a serious argument. Yes, religious institutions like all human institutions can be corrupted. So can science, governments, media, and corporations. That proves human sin, not that the divine is fake.

If anything, the fact that people have tried to monetise religion shows its power and importance, not its falsehood. You don’t build counterfeit currency of things that have no real value.

Also calling it Low IQ is ironic considering the greatest minds in history Aquinas, Newton, Pascal, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Tolkien were deeply religious. Even today, countless scientists, philosophers, and engineers are Christian, Muslim, or Jewish. Faith isn’t about being dumb. It’s about recognising that reason has limits and that the deepest truths may go beyond what can be measured in a lab. Something which I am sure you’re beginning to realise. This is why I told the other guy you were debating to stop trying to debate as he lacks the skills and knowledge to confront GAYtheist arguments and will just get shat on but be patient with him through my argument she’s learning how to better defend his faith and that’s good.

Also I’m impressed you at least acknowledge the sensibilities of RELGION and Christ as a whole and its positive impact on the world compared to rampant degeneracy of Shitlam and secularism that’s the most profound thing you have said Maybe, just maybe, the moral and spiritual foundation provided by Christianity wasn’t about “controlling people,” but about grounding civilisation. If it was all fake, why did it work so well for so long?

holy shit bro, ill read and respond tommarow

 

[Awan]

You have 0 purpose anything you think you achieved is all worthless you are worthless and anything you do and they thing you do is. It your gonna be a GAYtheist do it properly don’t half ass it go all in

And the blasphemy you speak at the end won’t detract from the reality of your sad meaningless pathetic existence.

I'm fated to be great,greater than Muhammad,Alexander or Jesus.
Nothing but death can put end to me.

Funny guy took some time to finally chimp out lmao,don't worry insults don't matter to me anyways,they're just words.
"Dogs keep barking,the caravan goes on anyway" or sum shit like that

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I'm fated to be great,greater than Muhammad,Alexander or Jesus.
Nothing but death can put end to me.

Funny guy took some time to finally chimp out lmao,don't worry insults don't matter to me anyways,they're just words.
"Dogs keep barking,the caravan goes on anyway" or sum shit like that

Once again why are you using value statements like “great” it simply jsut is there is no “great” or “Terrible” it all simply is, everything is equalised brother.

Once again if your going to be a GAYtheist understand the limits of your epistemology and metaphysics and be intellectually consistent and I dunno why your upset over what I said I wasn’t rude I simply told you the harsh reality of things and what your paradigm leads 2 don’t get mad with me for seeing the true conclusion of your vapid pathetic outlook . I for one much rather face reality and the truth than be limited by an worldview that cannot even account for basic things such as value and logic

 

[Mainlander]

This is dumbass logic

The people who witnessed the resurrection were the same who saw their teacher get killed. Roman crucifixions had an 100% death rate look it up .

They said they saw this dead man come back to life and even Thomas (Jesus brother well his cousin but yeah) was sceptical and only believed when he put his hands in the nails and his rib cage and felt the scars off the event Matthew 28

These men had nothing to gain from going from standard 2nd temple Jews to being Christian’s. They got scorn kicked out their special people club, branded heretics and had the authorities with writs put on their head to legally kill them, they gained no wealth no popularity and only gained suffering


Now lemme ask you who lies for this result? Why is it in act 7 when Steven is stoned to death he doesn’t once say “It was a lie” no he simply smiles and says forgive them for they not know what they do.

You can say they went mad but nobody hallucinates the same thing, Paul claims hundreds of people saw it and all retail the same account and from the gospels we can vouch for that much. Point is it cannot be an random mental break of hallucination.

No other religion is based on such accounts as I said only Christianity is based on historical accounts. Even Islam isn’t historical and infact denies history claiming the crucifixion never happened which is laughable to any historian. And only MOHAMMED SAW THE REVELATION NOBODY ELSE SAW IT it was literally Mohammedens words alone you cannot compare Christianity and Islam infact many scholars debate if Mohammed even existed

GOD IS UNFAIR WAAAH WAAAAAH

In regards to “god being unfair” well to be frank I don’t need to reply to it, your the one that has to give an account as to what criterion fairness subscribes to and then provide an coherent justification as to why I ought to accept your standard for “fairness” something you cannot and WONT do. Idc about your opinions I care about facts. Come to me with that or I’ll give you the same presup responses

God wants humans to chose him out of love and their own free will, if he sat there in jereuslem the world would worship him out of fear not out of choice so this was the best way to do that, also heaven and hell exist but hell is a place for people like you who chose to not be with god in their life dunno why GAYthiests cry about hell so much something that they claim doesn’t exist really peeves them I wonder why and yes you SEND YOURSELF to hell god is loving and he won’t FORCE you idiots to be with him he gives you what you want a place away from him aka hell you idiots need to stop crying about hell it was your own choice. God doesn’t want people to suffer but we brought suffering and death into creation by our fall that’s why God came to earth as a man and conquered it for us so we no longer have to suffer in the new world to come this is literally Christian theology 101 and you don’t even know the bare basics off the faith yet your confident enough to run your mouth. Even saying “god is evil” once again what is evil? What objective criterion are you using to judge evil and good? By what standard your own? That means nothing once again your a fallacy machine I handle with facts not stupid opinions


LOGIC AND REASON

If logic is just a human invention, like a game or a set of arbitrary rules, then it has no claim to truth. But logic isn’t something we made up; it’s something we discovered. For example, the law of non-contradiction (A ≠ not-A) holds universally, it’s not a matter of opinion, language, or culture. We didn’t invent that. We recognised it.

Also, when you say, “logic is a consistent system,” you’re already appealing to something objective, consistency. But where does this consistency come from, and why does it hold universally across space and time, even outside human minds?

In classical theism (especially within Christian and Orthodox philosophy), logic reflects the nature of God, who is not “another object” in the universe but the grounding of all being and reason itself. Logic isn’t above God; it’s an expression of His rational nature.

So no, using logic to argue for God isn’t self-defeating — unless you assume from the start that logic is purely man-made. But that’s the very point being contested. You’re presupposing naturalism to argue against theism, which is circular.

Also I agree GAYTHEIST Evolution is a RELGION BUT:
Rejecting evolution is your choice but if you reject both science and theology, what exactly are you standing on? Personal intuition? That’s not stable ground. If you think there’s a creator but reject both God and science, then your worldview is undefined, which is intellectually lazy, not profound. And if berthing is untrustworthy and a RELGION then you fall into subjectivity and now we must ask how and why should we trust your subjective view how can you account for your experiences being true in off themselves (you can’t) especially when you reject empiricism and reason now.

And the low tier “MUH RELGION IS A JEWISH PLOT TO CONTROL THE MASSES:
That’s a popular modern meme, not a serious argument. Yes, religious institutions like all human institutions can be corrupted. So can science, governments, media, and corporations. That proves human sin, not that the divine is fake.

If anything, the fact that people have tried to monetise religion shows its power and importance, not its falsehood. You don’t build counterfeit currency of things that have no real value.

Also calling it Low IQ is ironic considering the greatest minds in history Aquinas, Newton, Pascal, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Tolkien were deeply religious. Even today, countless scientists, philosophers, and engineers are Christian, Muslim, or Jewish. Faith isn’t about being dumb. It’s about recognising that reason has limits and that the deepest truths may go beyond what can be measured in a lab. Something which I am sure you’re beginning to realise. This is why I told the other guy you were debating to stop trying to debate as he lacks the skills and knowledge to confront GAYtheist arguments and will just get shat on but be patient with him through my argument she’s learning how to better defend his faith and that’s good.

Also I’m impressed you at least acknowledge the sensibilities of RELGION and Christ as a whole and its positive impact on the world compared to rampant degeneracy of Shitlam and secularism that’s the most profound thing you have said Maybe, just maybe, the moral and spiritual foundation provided by Christianity wasn’t about “controlling people,” but about grounding civilisation. If it was all fake, why did it work so well for so long?

Stopped reading after free will

Free will doesnt exit.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

holy shit bro, ill read and respond tommarow

I segmented it to make it easier for you to follow the

 

[william.]

I segmented it to make it easier for you to follow the

thanks

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Stopped reading after free will

Free will doesnt exit.

If you’re an GAYtheist then yes. If not then no

But at least your a Gaytheidt that’s willing to accept you have no free will your simply going through the motions off your chemical vices your a literal slave to yourself.

What a sad way to view the world, no wonder you guys fear death so much

 

[Mainlander]

If you’re an GAYtheist then yes. If not then no

But at least your a Gaytheidt that’s willing to accept you have no free will your simply going through the motions off your chemical vices your a literal slave to yourself.

What a sad way to view the world, no wonder you guys fear death so much

It just the truth

There is no free will

everything is determined

Give me an argument that determinism is false

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

It just the truth

There is no free will

everything is determined

Give me an argument that determinism is false

There is no “truth” if there is no God.

It simply just is but you cannot come to the truth or know what “Truth” is in the sense that you cannot JUSTIFY how you come to the truth and that already requires certain preconditions of knowledge to be met

Logic, reliability of sense data and value statements (Truth and false claims) neither can exists in a materialist physicist paradigm therefore you lack the preconditions to have knowledge

 

[Awan]

Once again why are you using value statements like “great” it simply jsut is there is no “great” or “Terrible” it all simply is, everything is equalised brother.

Once again if your going to be a GAYtheist understand the limits of your epistemology and metaphysics and be intellectually consistent and I dunno why your upset over what I said I wasn’t rude I simply told you the harsh reality of things and what your paradigm leads 2 don’t get mad with me for seeing the true conclusion of your vapid pathetic outlook . I for one much rather face reality and the truth than be limited by an worldview that cannot even account for basic things such as value and logic

If everything is equalized and devoid of inherent value. Doesn't this prspecctive echo the notion that life and the universe are indifferent to our existence? If so, wouldn't that lend credence to the idea that a divine, value imposing entity,God is unlikely?You claim to face reality and truth, yet your faith seems to provide a sense of certainty. I'm curious, does your conviction in a higher power not constitute a value judgment in itself?

 

[nobodylovesme]

There is no “truth” if there is no God.

It simply just is but you cannot come to the truth or know what “Truth” is in the sense that you cannot JUSTIFY how you come to the truth and that already requires certain preconditions of knowledge to be met

Logic, reliability of sense data and value statements (Truth and false claims) neither can exists in a materialist physicist paradigm therefore you lack the preconditions to have knowledge

You're using logic to argue that logic can't exist without God. That's circular, and I think you know that

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

If everything is equalized and devoid of inherent value. Doesn't this prspecctive echo the notion that life and the universe are indifferent to our existence? If so, wouldn't that lend credence to the idea that a divine, value imposing entity,God is unlikely?You claim to face reality and truth, yet your faith seems to provide a sense of certainty. I'm curious, does your conviction in a higher power not constitute a value judgment in itself?

I’m saying IN YOUR PARADIGM this is the case I don’t say there is no god that’s what you say and so the our an transcendental personalised being to ground the transcendental categories then yes your left with this


I belive in value judgements for God created the universe And things which are reflections of his divine personhood such as logic and gid has values and thus that’s reflected into his creation the same way god is ordered and thus we see this reflected in the creetion
And ordered structure of the universe

Once again your trying to impose your metaphysics limitations on me but it fails for I am able to provide an account for them and why I belive them unlike you which is why your system is lllogical and incoherent and why mine is logical and coherent

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You're using logic to argue that logic can't exist without God. That's circular, and I think you know that

No it’s not you buffoon I’m saying to use logic in of itself required there to be a justification as to why and how it exists in the way it does competitively to our materialistic contingent universe. I’m looking for the grounding of logic the necessary precondition for it to exist in the first place the way it does, the only LOGICAL conclusion is that this requires something above it that is also invariant universal and immaterial to ground it and all other transcendentals together. That something is god


Even Plato came to this conclusion 25 hundred years ago and idiots today are so ignorant they don’t know this

 

[nobodylovesme]

No it’s not you buffoon I’m saying to use logic in of itself required there to be a justification as to why and how it exists in the way it does competitively to our materialistic contingent universe. I’m looking for the grounding of logic the necessary precondition for it to exist in the first place the way it does, the only LOGICAL conclusion is that this requires something above it that is also invariant universal and immaterial to ground it and all other transcendentals together. That something is god


Even Plato came to this conclusion 25 hundred years ago and idiots today are so ignorant they don’t know this

That's circular. Are you dumb or what?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

That's circular. Are you dumb or what?

The dumbass here is you fucking idiot. I’m justifying it thefore it isn’t circular I’m not proposing the conclusion as THE PREMISE you dumbass fucking learn what a circular argument is. Reply to me with a cringe dickhead tier answer again and I’ll place you on my ignore forever I can’t stand idiots

I laid out the foundations first then the premise and reason for it, then explained why and how it must exist in the way it does then provided the only explanation to justify its existence ontologically which then leads to the conclusion that isn’t CIRCULAR numbnut

 

[nobodylovesme]

That something is god

Calling me an idiot doesn't make your argument less circular. If logic "requires God" prove it without presupposing God.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Calling me an idiot doesn't make your argument less circular. If logic "requires God" prove it without presupposing God.

I literally just did… your just too stupid to understand what I wrote

Lemme dumb it down for you as your a slow boy and have an IQ of room temp


1. Logic is real, unchanging, and universal.

• The law of non-contradiction (something can’t be true and false at the same time) works everywhere, all the time — no matter where you are or who you are.
• It’s not just a “human opinion” — it’s always true.

2. But it’s not physical.
You can’t touch or see “logic.”

• It’s not made of atoms or molecules.
• So where does it come from? Why does it work at all?

3. If logic isn’t made up by people, and it’s not physical, it needs a deeper source.

• That deeper source must be outside the physical universe — eternal, unchanging, rational.
• That’s what we call God — not a man in the sky, but the mind behind the universe.

4. If there’s no God, logic becomes just a human invention.

• That means it’s not really true — just a tool we made up to survive.
• But if logic is just a survival tool, then you can’t trust it to tell you ultimate truth — including the truth of your own argument against God.

If you’re using logic to argue, you’re assuming logic works and reflects something true and real. But if logic is real and universal, it makes more sense that it comes from a real, universal mind, not random atoms or evolution.

 

[Deleted member 159489]

I know org can be quite demonic not everyone and that's a funky few

however a lot of people are either atheist (strong believe that there is no god) or agnostic (don't know if there is a god)

of course there's a few Muslims and Hindu's I've seen on the forums and Christians ofc

I am self I am Christian


I am more interested in debating god exitance rather than what Muslim vs Christian's and vies versa or something else

Still open to it however

theres no compelling evidence for me that he exists

 

[nobodylovesme]

it needs a deeper source.

Logic is a relation. It doesn't need a source, just internal consistency.

That’s what we call God — not a man in the sky, but the mind behind the universe.

You just redefined God as "whatever explains logic." That's not an argument, it's a label. => here where your circularity comes. If you STILL can't figure out.

If there’s no God, logic becomes just a human invention.

????? What? Logic is valid because it works.


And yes keep saying I'm low IQ

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Logic is a relation. It doesn't need a source, just internal consistency.

You just redefined God as "whatever explains logic." That's not an argument, it's a label. => here where your circularity comes. If you STILL can't figure out.

????? What? Logic is valid because it works.


And yes keep saying I'm low IQ

No I never explained god as something that jsut explains logic I explain god as the necessary precondition for logic. Nice one for strawmanning me

Logic is a relation to what? . Internal consistency doesn’t mean something is true, flat earth is internally consistent and he it is clearly false so once again how does it being a “relation” as your low IQ peanut skull says imply it’s real?

Why does logic exist? What’s its ontological status, and why does it exist in the way it exists which is contrary to the material realm.

Neither of which you can answer and thus like before you have no justification for logic .

Ima give you ONE MORE CHANCE to try provide a coherent logical response for Logic. Please don’t disappoint me dumbass or your entering my ignore I have been nice even entertaining this stupid pathetic comment of “Relation” that doesn’t need a source from a dickhead that can’t even tell me how it exists and why it exists and what makes it the way it is

 

[nobodylovesme]

No I never explained god as something that jsut explains logic I explain god as the necessary precondition for logic. Nice one for strawmanning me

Logic is a relation to what? . Internal consistency doesn’t mean something is true, flat earth is internally consistent and he it is clearly false so once again how does it being a “relation” as your low IQ peanut skull says imply it’s real?

Why does logic exist? What’s its ontological status, and why does it exist in the way it exists which is contrary to the material realm.

Neither of which you can answer and thus like before you have no justification for logic .

Ima give you ONE MORE CHANCE to try provide a coherent logical response for Logic. Please don’t disappoint me dumbass or your entering my ignore I have been nice even entertaining this stupid pathetic comment of “Relation” that doesn’t need a source from a dickhead that can’t even tell me how it exists and why it exists and what makes it the way it is

REREAD. I'm not explaining my statements 10 times. jfl.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

REREAD. I'm not explaining my statements 10 times. jfl.

Also your a classical foundatinalist? So you belive in self evident truths? Ok so if logic just works and jsut is why can’t I apply the same logic to God and say “God just is God just works” there is no such thing as self evident truths, all things that rely one something else to exist mean that it’s not self evident

Ironically your the one using circularity by essentially using logic to justify logic saying it just is . The moment you said it doesn’t need grounding is the moment you abandoned rationality and if logic exists then guess what dickhead. SOMETHING HAS TO JUSTIFY ITS STATE.

The same way a watch relies on a watchmaker there is no such thing as a self referencing thing unless it is at the first cause or unmoved mover aka God. TLDR Logic doesn’t justify itself. It presupposes order, rationality, and truth — none of which can come from random matter or blind chance.
Everything needs something beyond itself to be justified. Logic is no exception. So unless you have something eternal and rational to ground it, your trust in logic floats in mid-air.

THEREFORE YOUR OWN ARGUMENT IS CIRCULAR WND IRRATIONAL


I hope everybody who reads this comment sees the brainrot GAYtheism leads 2. The same imbeciles always demanding proof and explanations for God are the same idiots that special plead and say “MUH logic doesn’t need a justification it just is bro” imagine if I said that to you if you asked me why god is real lmfao

Gaytheism leads to Brainrott.

Reply with a good response or you go into my ignore ded srs you are such a fucking moron

 

[nobodylovesme]

The same way a watch relies on a watchmaker there is no such thing as a self referencing thing unless it is at the first cause or unmoved mover aka God

Logic doesn’t "exist" like a watch, it's a formal framework, not a causal object. It doesn't need a watchmaker.

Everything needs something beyond itself to be justified. Logic is no exception. So unless you have something eternal and rational to ground it, your trust in logic floats in mid-air.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Logic doesn’t "exist" like a watch, it's a formal framework, not a causal object. It doesn't need a watchmaker.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Well your a dumbass

“Logic just is “ GAYtheists be like “Oh yes so based soooooo true”


Religious person: “God just is “ GAYtheist be like “Noooo God just can’t be we need proof we jsut an justification for him he needs to prove it”


The hypocrisy of Gaytheism trust your brain is cooked.


Anyways you’re too stupid so this is my last reply I’ll leave you with this “If logic is a human convention” as you posit then we’d see variations within cultures throughout the world right? But the law of non contradiction is constant regardless indicating we never invented it but instead discovered it and utilise it, that’s why 2+ 4 is always 4 as it is and always has been true before we came to that knowledge off it and as it’s invaded that means it’s been here before even humanity meaning it. Existed before us, if every human was wiped out tomorrow but we have 2 rocks in a bedroom those rocks are still 2 regardless of humans being there or not. This alone refutes your stupid pathetic position.

Even if you assume it’s a framework that still presupposes order, meaning truth and law of non contradiction, all of which cannot be justified in your GAYtheist worldview


Anyways sit down kid this is beyond your pathetic 70 IQ brain. Do not reply back

 

[iblamexyz]

theres no compelling evidence for me that he exists

what does evidence look like to you?