Why exactly is suicide seen as so evil? At least to some

[superpsycho]

Oh dear. I remember watching that around a decade ago or so! Probably a bit longer.

for some reason I read this in Professor Farnsworth’s voice.

 

[imontheloose]

i watched that series from start to finish 7 times during covid

i was obsessed with that shit

non-NT incel show looking back on it tbh, those type of shows are still the most entertaining though

My brother used to watch it pretty obsessively. It’s why I watched it.

 

[superpsycho]

My brother used to watch it pretty obsessively. It’s why I watched it.

the showed returned with 2 new seasons in 2023 and 2024

watched it a bit but couldnt finish it since im an attention span cel now

 

[imontheloose]

the showed returned with 2 new seasons in 2023 and 2024

watched it a bit but couldnt finish it since im an attention span cel now

Zoomer brain infection!

 

[inceI]

on a g ting if you rope youre a cuck

ethics aside

 

[imontheloose]

on a g ting if you rope youre a cuck

ethics aside

I understand the view of it seeming like cowardice.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

I think it's part of the reversal of moral obligation. As everyone assumes you owe something to life, be it people close to you, or abstract ideas like "potential." But by suicide you reverse it that life owed something to you.

That reversal makes people uncomfortable, because itchallenges the structure they rely on to justify suffering.

Life failed the individual, not the other way around.

This is an incredibly interesting perspective

@imontheloose i never really considered the more psychological side of it

Just the macro social reasons as to why suicide is demonized

 

[inceI]

I understand the view of it seeming like cowardice.

shut the fuckup neek

 

[imontheloose]

This is an incredibly interesting perspective

@imontheloose i never really considered the more psychological side of it

Just the macro social reasons as to why suicide is demonized

It’s super intriguing. Very valid point. I honestly hadn’t even considered it!

 

[inceI]

even if you didnt ask to be born, others gave you everything in life. The only reason you can even discuss this is because someone fed you, clothed you, taught you, etc for the first years of your life in which you werent sentient

this is why you have a moral obligation to give back to society (e.g taxes) so other people of next generation can benefit like you did

but leave it to ungrateful looksfags who werent born chad and have a revenge suicide fantasy

 

[inceI]

It’s seen as evil because dead people aren’t useful to society

You can’t be a worker drone if ur dead.

And it’s especially imperative now go demonize suicide considering how depressing society is in modern times

Personally I think suicide should be a human right, if you have a right to life that also means you have a right to death

what about the implications on other people

and you already have a right to death (unless some moralfag/christcuck)

nothing is stopping anyone from roping

 

[Everythingislaw]

I didn’t choose to be born, rhetorically granted as a right to life so surely it warrants a right to death too? At first, the connection seems rather childish, but seriously have a little think. I’m not trying to just say, if X, can I also not X?

Essentially, a right to freedom of speech also warrants a right to not speak at all. If I’m under compulsory (?) speech, that isn’t exactly respecting my freedom of speech. Just like how forcing (?) I, or anyone for the sake of argument, to stay alive isn’t respecting mine/their right to life.

Is it just religious doctrine which has borderline propagandised it? The utilitarian argument of it harming those around you seems rather odd when extrapolated. The core belief itself is absurd, anyway.

I’ve seen this spoken about before and people mostly agree, honestly. Initially, I saw this spoken about, and consequently taken inspiration from a video I watched about a year ago briefly mentioning this.

I dont think suicide is evil rather just foolish. Because for someone to commit a suicide, you would have to look back and not regret it therefore the desire to not live should outweigh the desire to live but unless you tried everything that could make you want to be alive you would have to try everything the world has to offer like becoming rich, famous learning about new philosphies and ways to live or to be in love with someone and being able to experience all those things alone will probably cost you a lifetime. So just live your life as fun as you can while searching for other ways to do it and when you feel like you tried it all decide whether you wanna krep doing or not unless you are already died of old age by then.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

but leave it to ungrateful looksfags who werent born chad and have a revenge suicide fantasy

You have to genuinely be sub 80 iq if this is your comprehension after everything was said

@imontheloose

 

[inceI]

You have to genuinely be sub 80 iq if this is your comprehension after everything was said

@imontheloose

attack the idea not me, whats wrong? is that not how most .org users come across

read any suicide/rope thread on here, its just complaining about muh genetic determinance

 

[ZakariyaFPLP]

I didn’t choose to be born, rhetorically granted as a right to life so surely it warrants a right to death too? At first, the connection seems rather childish, but seriously have a little think. I’m not trying to just say, if X, can I also not X?

Essentially, a right to freedom of speech also warrants a right to not speak at all. If I’m under compulsory (?) speech, that isn’t exactly respecting my freedom of speech. Just like how forcing (?) I, or anyone for the sake of argument, to stay alive isn’t respecting mine/their right to life.

Is it just religious doctrine which has borderline propagandised it? The utilitarian argument of it harming those around you seems rather odd when extrapolated. The core belief itself is absurd, anyway.

I’ve seen this spoken about before and people mostly agree, honestly. Initially, I saw this spoken about, and consequently taken inspiration from a video I watched about a year ago briefly mentioning this.

Suicide is often seen as evil by some people due to a mix of religious, cultural, and moral beliefs. Many religions, like Islam and Christianity, teach that life is sacred and belongs to God, so taking one's own life is viewed as a grave sin. Culturally, it can be seen as abandoning responsibilities, hurting loved ones, or rejecting the value of life, which leads to moral judgment. Some also see it as selfish or cowardly—often out of misunderstanding—because they focus on the pain left behind rather than the suffering that led to it. In reality, suicide is usually the result of deep mental pain, not malice or evil intent.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

that could make you want to be alive you would have to try everything the world has to offer like becoming rich, famous learning about new philosphies and ways to live or to be in love with someone and being able to experience all those things alone will probably cost you a lifetime.

This is akin to saying you need to take every man’s dick in your ass all 4 billion of them to know you’re not a faggot

Sure you never know how good life could get, but I wouldn’t jump the gun as much as to say suicide is foolish

 

[imontheloose]

Suicide is often seen as evil by some people due to a mix of religious, cultural, and moral beliefs. Many religions, like Islam and Christianity, teach that life is sacred and belongs to God, so taking one's own life is viewed as a grave sin. Culturally, it can be seen as abandoning responsibilities, hurting loved ones, or rejecting the value of life, which leads to moral judgment. Some also see it as selfish or cowardly—often out of misunderstanding—because they focus on the pain left behind rather than the suffering that led to it. In reality, suicide is usually the result of deep mental pain, not malice or evil intent.

This looks like AI-slop. I’m sorry if you actually wrote this. The em-dash being connected between words is… uncommon, to say the least. As is the formatting.

Nonetheless, this post is directed at people with the accepted given that religion isn’t probable.

 

[R@m@]

I know some cool knots!

 

[imontheloose]

I know some cool knots!

Do you now? Care to share? Anything cool?

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

attack the idea not me, whats wrong?

I normally am not like this but considering that you don’t even know what the definition of a right is

For example take this statement you made

and you already have a right to death (unless some moralfag/christcuck)

nothing is stopping anyone from roping

So any discussion on ethics, morals, society etc will likely be lost on you.

 

[inceI]

I normally am not like this but considering that you don’t even know what the definition of a right is

For example take this statement you made


So any discussion on ethics, morals, society etc will likely be lost on you.

a right just defines what you are entilted to e.g. some woman born 100 years has no voting rights

if we assume free will exists then yes you have the right to kill yourself. are you real

what am i missing? that other people wont be fond of the action? who even cares if youre already dead

 

[Everythingislaw]

This is akin to saying you need to take every man’s dick in your ass all 4 billion of them to know you’re not a faggot

Sure you never know how good life could get, but I wouldn’t jump the gun as much as to say suicide is foolish

Yeah i admit, it was retarted

I normally am not like this but considering that you don’t even know what the definition of a right is

For example take this statement you made


So any discussion on ethics, morals, society etc will likely be lost on you.

I dont know if thats supposed mean you have morals but if you do please enlighten me,why? Because i just cant rationalize having them and you seem like a smart guy so i would wanna hear your perspective.

 

[inceI]

I dont know if thats supposed mean you have morals but if you do please enlighten me,why? Because i just cant rationalize having them and you seem like a smart guy so i would wanna hear your perspective.

all morals you know were implanted into your brain by someone/something else in one way or another.

even idea of just giving up all your morals was probably influenced by external factors too (goatis fans)

 

[Everythingislaw]

all morals you know were implanted into your brain by someone/something else in one way or another.

even idea of just giving up all your morals was probably influenced by external factors too (goatis fans)

Yeah and it still doesnt make it logical to have morals nigga.

 

[inceI]

Yeah and it still doesnt make it logical to have morals nigga.

ok, explain why

ill wait

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

if we assume free will exists then yes you have the right to kill yourself. are you real

A right isn’t just the ability to do something

You can kill someone anytime you want but you don’t have the right to do that

There’s a legal and social aspect to rights as well

Like for example in North Korea we say they don’t have the right to free speech because the government restricts those rights

Technically speaking a North Korean could walk up to a government official and say “fuck North Korea”

Technically anyone could commit suicide at any time, but it’s not an action that’s protected under the law or by society.

That’s why if you save someone from committing suicide you of course won’t face any legal repercussions

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Because i just cant rationalize having them and you seem like a smart guy so i would wanna hear your perspective.

I’m a moral relativist @imontheloose knows this

What im saying there is I don’t want to bother explaining by what I mean to @inceI because I don’t think he has the comprehension for it

 

[imontheloose]

I dont know if thats supposed mean you have morals but if you do please enlighten me,why? Because i just cant rationalize having them and you seem like a smart guy so i would wanna hear your perspective.

I can’t speak for @wishIwasSalludon, but he seems to agree with me a lot on these sorts (but not totally) of things as he’s a moral relativist. I’m a moral nihilist.

 

[Zeekie]

I didn’t choose to be born, rhetorically granted as a right to life so surely it warrants a right to death too? At first, the connection seems rather childish, but seriously have a little think. I’m not trying to just say, if X, can I also not X?

Essentially, a right to freedom of speech also warrants a right to not speak at all. If I’m under compulsory (?) speech, that isn’t exactly respecting my freedom of speech. Just like how forcing (?) I, or anyone for the sake of argument, to stay alive isn’t respecting mine/their right to life.

Is it just religious doctrine which has borderline propagandised it? The utilitarian argument of it harming those around you seems rather odd when extrapolated. The core belief itself is absurd, anyway.

I’ve seen this spoken about before and people mostly agree, honestly. Initially, I saw this spoken about, and consequently taken inspiration from a video I watched about a year ago briefly mentioning this.

I mean probably because death is a huge taboo, nobody wants to talk it, very few want to engage with it or even experience it. It's no surprise people have a visceral reaction to dying, or even worse, someone willingly dying for "no reason". So instead of a religious or utilitarian doctrine is more normal human survival instincts, it's the nature of life to want to preserve itself for as long as possible, swaying from that impulse is abnormal, so no wonder people reject the idea.

 

[imontheloose]

I’m a moral relativist @imontheloose knows this

What im saying there is I don’t want to bother explaining by what I mean to @inceI because I don’t think he has the comprehension for it

Do you think atheism will inevitably (granted this isn’t general) lead to nihilism? Lots of talk about it for years.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

ok, explain why

ill wait

You cannot rationally deduce that moral facts and duties exist

it’s purely a product of our minds it doesn’t exist in reality in the same way that say my cock exists

 

[inceI]

A right isn’t just the ability to do something

You can kill someone anytime you want but you don’t have the right to do that

There’s a legal and social aspect to rights as well

Like for example in North Korea we say they don’t have the right to free speech because the government restricts those rights

Technically speaking a North Korean could walk up to a government official and say “fuck North Korea”

Technically anyone could commit suicide at any time, but it’s not an action that’s protected under the law or by society.

That’s why if you save someone from committing suicide you of course won’t face any legal repercussions

it doesnt need a legal/social aspect because only 1 party is involved

the example you mentioned has 2, the insulter and insulted (civilian/government)

i agree that interfering in someone elses bodily autonomy (e.g. them choosing to rope) is not your place, but abortion lets say would be different since theres >1 person involved

I’m a moral relativist @imontheloose knows this

What im saying there is I don’t want to bother explaining by what I mean to @inceI because I don’t think he has the comprehension for it

okay

i know you have 30k posts and this is your life but its not that serious

 

[imontheloose]

You cannot rationally deduce that moral facts and duties exist

it’s purely a product of our minds it doesn’t exist in reality in the same way that say my cock exists

Religious people claiming their morals are objective or real are the worst of the bunch. Why are written morals now objective? Why did God subject those morals? Why is what God chooses good? God quite literally subjectively picked them.

 

[imontheloose]

it doesnt need a legal/social aspect because only 1 party is involved

the example you mentioned has 2, the insulter and insulted (civilian/government)

i agree that interfering in someone elses bodily autonomy (e.g. them choosing to rope) is not your place, but abortion lets say would be different since theres >1 person involved

okay

i know you have 30k posts and this is your life but its not that serious

Are you anti-abortion?

 

[inceI]

You cannot rationally deduce that moral facts and duties exist

it’s purely a product of our minds it doesn’t exist in reality in the same way that say my cock exists

so you believe something has to be physical for it to exist

are you a reddit athiest

 

[inceI]

Are you anti-abortion?

nope

case by case basis

 

[imontheloose]

nope

case by case basis

In which cases (broadly) is it wrong to you?

 

[inceI]

In which cases (broadly) is it wrong to you?

if the father is against it but its performed regardless

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

it doesnt need a legal/social aspect because only 1 party is involved

That’s irrelevant you don’t have the right to something if someone has the moral or legal right to stop you from doing said thing

Otherwise there’s a contradiction.

Take for example suicide in certain states you have a legal obligation to prevent a suicide if you can

But the consensus in society is that you do have a moral obligation to prevent a suicide if you can

The fact that these things are true shows that you do not have a right to suicide.

I really don’t know how this concept is going over your head @imontheloose what am I not saying that they aren’t getting?

I’m going to give you an even more simple example. Take the right to freedom.

I have the right to say get up and go for a walk in the forest. That involves only one party.

Now take slaves in the 1800s they obviously did not have the right to get up and take a walk in the forest at will

the master had a legal right to prevent them from doing so.

So we cannot truly say the slave has the right of freedom

In the same way a person has a legal right to prevent me from committing suicide we cannot truly say that the right to suicide exists.

It doesn’t get any simpler than this.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

i know you have 30k posts and this is your life but its not that serious

Who said anything about being serious?

If I said I didn’t want to waste time trying to teach a rock calculus and then someone replied “whoa it’s not the serious”

It wouldn’t really make sense

In the same way I just prefer not to waste time on people who lack comprehension.

 

[imontheloose]

That’s irrelevant you don’t have the right to something if someone has the moral or legal right to stop you from doing said thing

Otherwise there’s a contradiction.

Take for example suicide in certain states you have a legal obligation to prevent a suicide if you can

But the consensus in society is that you do have a moral obligation to prevent a suicide if you can

The fact that these things are true shows that you do not have a right to suicide.

I really don’t know how this concept is going over your head @imontheloose what am I not saying that they aren’t getting?

I’m going to give you an even more simple example. Take the right to freedom.

I have the right to say get up and go for a walk in the forest. That involves only one party.

Now take slaves in the 1800s they obviously did not have the right to get up and take a walk in the forest at will

the master had a legal right to prevent them from doing so.

So we cannot truly say the slave has the right of freedom

In the same way a person has a legal right to prevent me from committing suicide we cannot truly say that the right to suicide exists.

It doesn’t get any simpler than this.

Seems comprehensive enough. Depends if the person wants to accept it or not.

 

[Asiangymmax]

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

so you believe something has to be physical for it to exist

I’m not even trying to be mean

But you genuinely have the worst comprehension I’ve ever seen on this site

 

[inceI]

That’s irrelevant you don’t have the right to something if someone has the moral or legal right to stop you from doing said thing

Otherwise there’s a contradiction.

Take for example suicide in certain states you have a legal obligation to prevent a suicide if you can

But the consensus in society is that you do have a moral obligation to prevent a suicide if you can

The fact that these things are true shows that you do not have a right to suicide.

I really don’t know how this concept is going over your head @imontheloose what am I not saying that they aren’t getting?

I’m going to give you an even more simple example. Take the right to freedom.

I have the right to say get up and go for a walk in the forest. That involves only one party.

Now take slaves in the 1800s they obviously did not have the right to get up and take a walk in the forest at will

the master had a legal right to prevent them from doing so.

So we cannot truly say the slave has the right of freedom

In the same way a person has a legal right to prevent me from committing suicide we cannot truly say that the right to suicide exists.

It doesn’t get any simpler than this.

what does someone elses legal/moral obligation have to do with your one party decision? you missed the point

legal rights only exist if they can be enforced? we both believe this (im going to assume)

slaves cant just get up and go, thats not how it works (slaveowners have guns/whips). You can just get up and kill yourself

it doesnt get any simpler than this

Who said anything about being serious?

If I said I didn’t want to waste time trying to teach a rock calculus and then someone replied “whoa it’s not the serious”

It wouldn’t really make sense

In the same way I just prefer not to waste time on people who lack comprehension.

attacking someone for different viewpoint is cringe and its truly not that serious

youre probably used to btfo'ing low iq .org users/tiktokcels

i dont know because i just came back to this forum

 

[inceI]

I’m not even trying to be mean

But you genuinely have the worst comprehension I’ve ever seen on this site

do you attend a T10 school? in your respective country

serious question

 

[courtcase75]

Religious people think that life is a gift from god and only god can take it. In my country, whenever someone kills themselves they beat the shit out of the dead body before burying it to expel the "curse" that comes from suicide

 

[rawr]

A religious argument would be "Suicide is immoral because you're simply disregarding the body that god gave you"
Also, many people view suicide as immoral because you're going to make your families life harder since they'll have to cope with the fact you're not here anymore because of your own decisions (depends on your family)

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

what does someone elses legal/moral obligation have to do with your one party decision?

Because there’s a contradiction

You can’t say that you have the right to suicide but also say someone has the right to stop you from committing suicide

Those two things are contradicting they cannot both be true

slaves cant just get up and go, thats not how it works

Yes they could they would just be punished/prevented for it

It’s the same in the case of suicide

You cannot truly have the right to something if someone has the right to prevent you from doing that thing

 

[inceI]

@imontheloose hop off this guys dick, repping every post, slurping real good. How does it taste in your mouth?

"Seems comprehensive enough. Depends if the person wants to accept it or not."

fucking midwit

 

[imontheloose]

I’m not even trying to be mean

But you genuinely have the worst comprehension I’ve ever seen on this site

East London. There’s a school with no native English speakers!