Why is jaw surgery so cheap in France? What's the catch?

[RealSurgerymax]

I just want a consultation to review and improve the surgical plan, and of course, I’m happy to pay for it.
Your surgeons have a lot of bad reputation and are extremely expensive, and my orthodontist doesn’t work with them. So, what about just a consultation?
Also, I’d really appreciate hearing your opinion on the other questions I’ve asked.

Consult fee not worth my time at all.
All surgeons have complications end of story. Botchless surgeon is a laughable fantasy some people here have.
The vast majority of bimax/implant cases are successful. Bigger surgeries (unnatural size implants, lefort 3) have higher complication rates.

 

[MogEater]

Consult fee not worth my time at all.
All surgeons have complications end of story. Botchless surgeon is a laughable fantasy some people here have.
The vast majority of bimax/implant cases are successful. Bigger surgeries (unnatural size implants, lefort 3) have higher complication rates.

Of course, every surgeon has some botched cases, so why shouldn’t I choose a more affordable option with a reputable university hospital?

For me, the real issue is the planning. Next week, I’ll talk to my orthodontist and find out if he uses custom guides and custom plates.

It’s not about my ortho and his surgeon specifically, but I’ve seen that many surgeons don’t aim for very aggressive or aesthetic results. So I just want to make sure my outcome will be aesthetically satisfying.

And if adding custom titanium infra-malar implants is an option, I’m definitely willing to do it. I just need to discuss it with my doctor.

 

[haus33]

Of course, every surgeon has some botched cases, so why shouldn’t I choose a more affordable option with a reputable university hospital?

For me, the real issue is the planning. Next week, I’ll talk to my orthodontist and find out if he uses custom guides and custom plates.

It’s not about my ortho and his surgeon specifically, but I’ve seen that many surgeons don’t aim for very aggressive or aesthetic results. So I just want to make sure my outcome will be aesthetically satisfying.

And if adding custom titanium infra-malar implants is an option, I’m definitely willing to do it. I just need to discuss it with my doctor.

giant has to work with those high botch surgeons. reputable surgeons avoid him.

 

[pouetpouet]

Of course, every surgeon has some botched cases, so why shouldn’t I choose a more affordable option with a reputable university hospital?

For me, the real issue is the planning. Next week, I’ll talk to my orthodontist and find out if he uses custom guides and custom plates.

It’s not about my ortho and his surgeon specifically, but I’ve seen that many surgeons don’t aim for very aggressive or aesthetic results. So I just want to make sure my outcome will be aesthetically satisfying.

And if adding custom titanium infra-malar implants is an option, I’m definitely willing to do it. I just need to discuss it with my doctor.

Don’t waste your time bro

 

[throwaway5028]

Is there a Ramieri level surgeon who is also blackpilled in France? I don't wanna go there only for them to tell me I don't need lefort

 

[pouetpouet]

Is there a Ramieri level surgeon who is also blackpilled in France? I don't wanna go there only for them to tell me I don't need lefort

I don’t think so
French surgeons are really conservative

 

[MogEater]

Consult fee not worth my time at all.
All surgeons have complications end of story. Botchless surgeon is a laughable fantasy some people here have.
The vast majority of bimax/implant cases are successful. Bigger surgeries (unnatural size implants, lefort 3) have higher complication rates.

Today I got SARPE.

It was horrible — just horrible. Honestly, just go with MSE. SARPE sucks. But probably the results will be better in the end.

I also talked to my doctor and showed him your Instagram page, Liam.


We discussed custom surgical guides and titanium plates. He literally laughed and said, “It’s 2025 — every surgeon and orthodontic professional should be using custom guides and plates. It’s the norm now, even for surgeons charging $1,500.” He said the surgeon he works with does around 50 bimax surgeries — I’m not sure if that’s per month or week, because SARPE really messed with my brain.

We also talked about titanium infraorbital–malar implants. He said most of those implants are too big, uncomfortable, and often look unrealistic.

Instead, he suggested that if I want improvements in that area, I should have a rhinoplasty expert come into the operating room right after the bimax — so the rhinoplasty can start immediately after.

And I actually found the best doctor — not joking. He’s the best rhinoplasty surgeon in the world. Super talented, young, and his noses have a perfect signature look. He quoted $1,500 for the rhinoplasty. So yeah — everything is looking good right now.

Of course, there are always risks like botched results, asymmetry, or SARPE complications — but higher risk, higher reward.

Liam, I still want a consultation with you when we start planning the bimax and rhinoplasty.

I probably have over a year to go before surgery, since SARPE and orthodontics take time — but I really want to talk to a solid expert and looksmaxxer to plan this journey right and get the best results.

@RealSurgerymax

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[weirdocel]

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[DownUnderCopeAttack]

Anything less than 8mm movement is cope.

 

[DownUnderCopeAttack]

Today I got SARPE.

It was horrible — just horrible. Honestly, just go with MSE. SARPE sucks. But probably the results will be better in the end.

I also talked to my doctor and showed him your Instagram page, Liam.


We discussed custom surgical guides and titanium plates. He literally laughed and said, “It’s 2025 — every surgeon and orthodontic professional should be using custom guides and plates. It’s the norm now, even for surgeons charging $1,500.” He said the surgeon he works with does around 50 bimax surgeries — I’m not sure if that’s per month or week, because SARPE really messed with my brain.

We also talked about titanium infraorbital–malar implants. He said most of those implants are too big, uncomfortable, and often look unrealistic.

Instead, he suggested that if I want improvements in that area, I should have a rhinoplasty expert come into the operating room right after the bimax — so the rhinoplasty can start immediately after.

And I actually found the best doctor — not joking. He’s the best rhinoplasty surgeon in the world. Super talented, young, and his noses have a perfect signature look. He quoted $1,500 for the rhinoplasty. So yeah — everything is looking good right now.

Of course, there are always risks like botched results, asymmetry, or SARPE complications — but higher risk, higher reward.

Liam, I still want a consultation with you when we start planning the bimax and rhinoplasty.

I probably have over a year to go before surgery, since SARPE and orthodontics take time — but I really want to talk to a solid expert and looksmaxxer to plan this journey right and get the best results.

@RealSurgerymax

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How is SARPE horrible? The split is done for you. All you do is expand and the results are guaranteed.

 

[MogEater]

How is SARPE horrible? The split is done for you. All you do is expand and the results are guaranteed.

i mean horrible cause its too hard to do, it has perfect results but the surgery is hard.

 

[MogEater]

Anything less than 8mm movement is cope.

every ortho always do at least 1cm,

 

[DownUnderCopeAttack]

every ortho always do at least 1cm,