Why most surgery results never gets the average normie to a chad i found out the main culprit.

[reptiles]

So this guy had four surgeries, but he’s still far from Chad status. Just take a look at Jensen Ackles from the front and side—the dude is a true Chad. Despite going through multiple surgeries, this guy still falls short of Ackles’ structure. Why?

Primary Issues with Current Result

• Jaw angles are still too narrow (70-72mm vs. Ackles' approx. 80-85mm)
• Ramus height is insufficient
• Cheekbone projection is too subtle and low-set
• Orbital area lacks the masculine hollow/depth
• Chin lacks sufficient width-to-projection ratio

Alternative Surgical Plan I Would Propose

First Phase:

• Custom wraparound PEEK implant instead of a chin wing
• 80-85mm jaw angle width
• 15-17mm lateral projection at angles
• Extended ramus height by 5-7mm
• More pronounced mandibular border

Second Phase:

• More aggressive malar-orbital complex modification
• Higher set cheekbone position (6-8mm higher than current)
• Increased lateral projection (8-10mm vs. current 4-5mm)
• Infraorbital rim implants for that “hunter-eye” look
• Temporal augmentation to balance wider jaw

Third Phase:

• Wider chin design (38-40mm vs. current ~32mm)
• Deeper paranasal augmentation
• Strategic fat grafting:
  • Maintain definition while preventing a hollow look
  • Build up temporal area
  • Enhanced cheek-jaw transition

Basically, what we’re talking about here is a full-on skull implant. This is why most people don’t get significant results—they don’t go aggressive enough. They don’t push the surgeons, and as a result, the surgeons stay conservative. It’s a loop: surgeons play it safe, so clients don’t get the results they’re after, which leads to underwhelming outcomes and disappointed patients.

It’s not that these results are impossible; it’s that people don’t gamble, they don’t take risks. And here’s how it works:

The Feedback Loop:

• Scared patients = scared surgeons
• Scared surgeons = underwhelming results
• Underwhelming results = disappointed patients
• Disappointed patients = more online hysteria

And the cycle keeps going.

Summing Up
Women don’t care if you get surgery; they care about results. Sure, they might say, “Oh, I like natural,” but the reality is they care about what they see, not the process. Actions speak louder than words. If you want the ideal results, you need the ideal plan. This explains why a normie doesn’t turn into a Chad—you need to go all-in to get there.

 

[mightbecooked123]

So this guy had four surgeries, but he’s still far from Chad status. Just take a look at Jensen Ackles from the front and side—the dude is a true Chad. Despite going through multiple surgeries, this guy still falls short of Ackles’ structure. Why?

Primary Issues with Current Result

• Jaw angles are still too narrow (70-72mm vs. Ackles' approx. 80-85mm)
• Ramus height is insufficient
• Cheekbone projection is too subtle and low-set
• Orbital area lacks the masculine hollow/depth
• Chin lacks sufficient width-to-projection ratio

Alternative Surgical Plan I Would Propose

First Phase:

• Custom wraparound PEEK implant instead of a chin wing
• 80-85mm jaw angle width
• 15-17mm lateral projection at angles
• Extended ramus height by 5-7mm
• More pronounced mandibular border

Second Phase:

• More aggressive malar-orbital complex modification
• Higher set cheekbone position (6-8mm higher than current)
• Increased lateral projection (8-10mm vs. current 4-5mm)
• Infraorbital rim implants for that “hunter-eye” look
• Temporal augmentation to balance wider jaw

Third Phase:

• Wider chin design (38-40mm vs. current ~32mm)
• Deeper paranasal augmentation
• Strategic fat grafting:
  • Maintain definition while preventing a hollow look
  • Build up temporal area
  • Enhanced cheek-jaw transition

Basically, what we’re talking about here is a full-on skull implant. This is why most people don’t get significant results—they don’t go aggressive enough. They don’t push the surgeons, and as a result, the surgeons stay conservative. It’s a loop: surgeons play it safe, so clients don’t get the results they’re after, which leads to underwhelming outcomes and disappointed patients.

It’s not that these results are impossible; it’s that people don’t gamble, they don’t take risks. And here’s how it works:

The Feedback Loop:

• Scared patients = scared surgeons
• Scared surgeons = underwhelming results
• Underwhelming results = disappointed patients
• Disappointed patients = more online hysteria

And the cycle keeps going.

Summing Up
Women don’t care if you get surgery; they care about results. Sure, they might say, “Oh, I like natural,” but the reality is they care about what they see, not the process. Actions speak louder than words. If you want the ideal results, you need the ideal plan. This explains why a normie doesn’t turn into a Chad—you need to go all-in to get there.


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Good thread

 

[reptiles]

Good thread

thx

 

[looks>books]

Ill ask you for surgeries to get in the future maybe

 

[reptiles]

@RealSurgerymax is this an accurate thread or did i fuck up

 

[reptiles]

Ill ask you for surgeries to get in the future maybe

I'm telling you this will cost almost an 100 grand

 

[mightbecooked123]

I'm telling you this will cost almost an 100 grand

Brutal suifuel

 

[mightbecooked123]

100k and be mtn or be poor and htn difficult choice fr

 

[reptiles]

100k and be mtn or be poor and htn difficult choice fr

Poor and high tier normie also i can't gurrantee it will go well it could look uncanny as well but there is no bigger investment in life than your looks

 

[Orc]

even chad bones can't stand up to the might of the nasolabial reaper.

 

[reptiles]

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even chad bones can't stand up to the might of the nasolabial reaper.

You can get paranasial implants for the smile lines

 

[mightbecooked123]

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even chad bones can't stand up to the might of the nasolabial reaper.

Could tret help slow this down?

 

[Orc]

You can get paranasial implants for the smile lines

it doesn't fix them sadly, they're not caused by a loss of volume in the paranasal area.

 

[reptiles]

Could tret help slow this down?

To an extent course

 

[mightbecooked123]

Poor and high tier normie also i can't gurrantee it will go well it could look uncanny as well but there is no bigger investment in life than your looks

Why would it look uncanny if you’ve correctly measured and predicted to a good degree who much your skeletal structure will change surely the risk can’t be that significant

 

[reptiles]

it doesn't fix them sadly, they're not caused by a loss of volume in the paranasal area.

fillers maybe ? it can't be his midface he has an extremely forward grown maxilla

 

[esoterik]

So this guy had four surgeries, but he’s still far from Chad status. Just take a look at Jensen Ackles from the front and side—the dude is a true Chad. Despite going through multiple surgeries, this guy still falls short of Ackles’ structure. Why?

Primary Issues with Current Result

• Jaw angles are still too narrow (70-72mm vs. Ackles' approx. 80-85mm)
• Ramus height is insufficient
• Cheekbone projection is too subtle and low-set
• Orbital area lacks the masculine hollow/depth
• Chin lacks sufficient width-to-projection ratio

Alternative Surgical Plan I Would Propose

First Phase:

• Custom wraparound PEEK implant instead of a chin wing
• 80-85mm jaw angle width
• 15-17mm lateral projection at angles
• Extended ramus height by 5-7mm
• More pronounced mandibular border

Second Phase:

• More aggressive malar-orbital complex modification
• Higher set cheekbone position (6-8mm higher than current)
• Increased lateral projection (8-10mm vs. current 4-5mm)
• Infraorbital rim implants for that “hunter-eye” look
• Temporal augmentation to balance wider jaw

Third Phase:

• Wider chin design (38-40mm vs. current ~32mm)
• Deeper paranasal augmentation
• Strategic fat grafting:
  • Maintain definition while preventing a hollow look
  • Build up temporal area
  • Enhanced cheek-jaw transition

Basically, what we’re talking about here is a full-on skull implant. This is why most people don’t get significant results—they don’t go aggressive enough. They don’t push the surgeons, and as a result, the surgeons stay conservative. It’s a loop: surgeons play it safe, so clients don’t get the results they’re after, which leads to underwhelming outcomes and disappointed patients.

It’s not that these results are impossible; it’s that people don’t gamble, they don’t take risks. And here’s how it works:

The Feedback Loop:

• Scared patients = scared surgeons
• Scared surgeons = underwhelming results
• Underwhelming results = disappointed patients
• Disappointed patients = more online hysteria

And the cycle keeps going.

Summing Up
Women don’t care if you get surgery; they care about results. Sure, they might say, “Oh, I like natural,” but the reality is they care about what they see, not the process. Actions speak louder than words. If you want the ideal results, you need the ideal plan. This explains why a normie doesn’t turn into a Chad—you need to go all-in to get there.


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well alright thats fine, the real reason no chad has came out of surgeries is because of money, once you reach 5+ surgeries it starts getting costy, you will also need to save even more for corrections & replacements

giant can theoretically make a chad out of a normie but it isnt just "big jaw, high pfl & low pfh!!!!" its alot more complex

 

[reptiles]

Why would it look uncanny if you’ve correctly measured and predicted to a good degree who much your skeletal structure will change surely the risk can’t be that significant

2 Reasons.

1 relapse due to gravity over time.

2 You can't see how the implant will look on your face without seeing it done first hand.

No gurantee exists but lots of software exists that can predict it

 

[reptiles]

well alright thats fine, the real reason no chad has came out of surgeries is because of money, once you reach 5+ surgeries it starts getting costy, you will also need to save even more for corrections & replacements

giant can theoretically make a chad out of a normie but it isnt just "big jaw, high pfl & low pfh!!!!" its alot more complex

Bro you looking at a skull transplant i agree it's 100k plus if your lucky

 

[Orc]

fillers maybe ? it can't be his midface he has an extremely forward grown maxilla

adding volume to an area that didn't lose any isn't a great idea, nasolabials are the result of the fat underneath the eyes drooping down with age, so you either want to get rid of the fat or move it back to where it came from.

if you were to insert paranasel implants underneath a nasolabial fold, the distinct fold shape caused by the fat sagging down would still be there.

 

[mightbecooked123]

Bro you looking at a skull transplant i agree it's 100k plus if your lucky

How much could this theoricitcally ascend you

 

[reptiles]

How much could this theoricitcally ascend you

that i don't know probably 1 to 3 psl depending on how many surgeries you got how well placed it is and the surgeons skill and your skin tissue thickness

 

[reptiles]

adding volume to an area that didn't lose any isn't a great idea, nasolabials are the result of the fat underneath the eyes drooping down with age, so you either want to get rid of the fat or move it back to where it came from.

if you were to insert paranasel implants underneath a nasolabial fold, the distinct fold shape caused by the fat sagging down would still be there.

So what's the solution ?

 

[NZb6Air]

it doesn't fix them sadly, they're not caused by a loss of volume in the paranasal area.

yes they are, whether soft tissue or hard, treating them with fillers for example is water

 

[esoterik]

Bro you looking at a skull transplant i agree it's 100k plus if your lucky

perhaps but if ur rich u dont really need to care about getting botched (aesthetically) if u have enough money keep getting corrections, and anyway, 100-150k is achievable & realistic for someone who needs it badly

 

[mightbecooked123]

that i don't know probably 1 to 3 psl depending on how many surgeries you got how well placed it is and the surgeons skill and your skin tissue thickness

Bro that’s such a range lol anywhere between htn and literal true Adam

 

[Orc]

So what's the solution ?

composite facelift (it's essentially a face lift + fat transfer) or dissolving the fat.

yes they are, whether soft tissue or hard, treating them with fillers for example is water



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it makes the area look extremely strange from some angles when you do this since you're putting volume somewhere that didn't lack it to begin with.

 

[reptiles]

Bro that’s such a range lol anywhere between htn and literal true Adam

As i said it's multiple factors out of your control 3 psl assumes you have perfect soft tissues and your issues are pure recession nothing unfixable

 

[mightbecooked123]

perhaps but if ur rich u dont really need to care about getting botched (aesthetically) if u have enough money keep getting corrections, and anyway, 100-150k is achievable & realistic for someone who needs it badly

wtf there are practically 0 people under 25 who have that money saved up relasticslly

 

[esoterik]

Bro that’s such a range lol anywhere between htn and literal true Adam

nah, it just depends on your base, if ur more facially average u will benefit more

how well its placed & tissue are more subtle things now a days that doesn't really matter as much

 

[esoterik]

wtf there are practically 0 people under 25 who have that money saved up relasticslly

maybe, im 17 and have $45k from niche online stuff, isnt unrealistic

 

[mightbecooked123]

As i said it's multiple factors out of your control 3 psl assumes you have perfect soft tissues and your issues are pure recession nothing unfixable

I thought 4 psl was average?

 

[reptiles]

I thought 4 psl was average?

no i mean psl points you can gain from the surgery

 

[chadintraining]

Women don’t care if you get surgery; they care about results. Sure, they might say, “Oh, I like natural,” but the reality is they care about what they see, not the process. Actions speak louder than words. If you want the ideal results, you need the ideal plan. This explains why a normie doesn’t turn into a Chad—you need to go all-in to get there.

I know guys who have had surgery, told some girls, and a lot of them just didn’t care

And most of the time she won’t find out you got surgery anyways so that isn’t even really a worry tbh

 

[reptiles]

maybe, im 17 and have $45k from niche online stuff, isnt unrealistic

what do you do ?

 

[reptiles]

I know guys who have had surgery, told some girls, and a lot of them just didn’t care

And most of the time she won’t find out you got surgery anyways so that isn’t even really a worry tbh

Oh fucking awsome

 

[mightbecooked123]

no i mean psl points you can gain from the surgery

Oh shit sorry that’s pretty wild tbf even 1 psl point realistically would make a massive difference 4-5 would make you way more attractive theoretically

 

[esoterik]

what do you do ?

not going to say it since im still dominating it and making alot of money, but it requires a ton of skills so it wouldnt even matter

its related to foreign online stuff

 

[caiolindo]

So this guy had four surgeries, but he’s still far from Chad status. Just take a look at Jensen Ackles from the front and side—the dude is a true Chad. Despite going through multiple surgeries, this guy still falls short of Ackles’ structure. Why?

Primary Issues with Current Result

• Jaw angles are still too narrow (70-72mm vs. Ackles' approx. 80-85mm)
• Ramus height is insufficient
• Cheekbone projection is too subtle and low-set
• Orbital area lacks the masculine hollow/depth
• Chin lacks sufficient width-to-projection ratio

Alternative Surgical Plan I Would Propose

First Phase:

• Custom wraparound PEEK implant instead of a chin wing
• 80-85mm jaw angle width
• 15-17mm lateral projection at angles
• Extended ramus height by 5-7mm
• More pronounced mandibular border

Second Phase:

• More aggressive malar-orbital complex modification
• Higher set cheekbone position (6-8mm higher than current)
• Increased lateral projection (8-10mm vs. current 4-5mm)
• Infraorbital rim implants for that “hunter-eye” look
• Temporal augmentation to balance wider jaw

Third Phase:

• Wider chin design (38-40mm vs. current ~32mm)
• Deeper paranasal augmentation
• Strategic fat grafting:
  • Maintain definition while preventing a hollow look
  • Build up temporal area
  • Enhanced cheek-jaw transition

Basically, what we’re talking about here is a full-on skull implant. This is why most people don’t get significant results—they don’t go aggressive enough. They don’t push the surgeons, and as a result, the surgeons stay conservative. It’s a loop: surgeons play it safe, so clients don’t get the results they’re after, which leads to underwhelming outcomes and disappointed patients.

It’s not that these results are impossible; it’s that people don’t gamble, they don’t take risks. And here’s how it works:

The Feedback Loop:

• Scared patients = scared surgeons
• Scared surgeons = underwhelming results
• Underwhelming results = disappointed patients
• Disappointed patients = more online hysteria

And the cycle keeps going.

Summing Up
Women don’t care if you get surgery; they care about results. Sure, they might say, “Oh, I like natural,” but the reality is they care about what they see, not the process. Actions speak louder than words. If you want the ideal results, you need the ideal plan. This explains why a normie doesn’t turn into a Chad—you need to go all-in to get there.


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Jaw angles? Do u mean mandible body length?

 

[chadintraining]

So this guy had four surgeries, but he’s still far from Chad status. Just take a look at Jensen Ackles from the front and side—the dude is a true Chad. Despite going through multiple surgeries, this guy still falls short of Ackles’ structure. Why?

Primary Issues with Current Result

• Jaw angles are still too narrow (70-72mm vs. Ackles' approx. 80-85mm)
• Ramus height is insufficient
• Cheekbone projection is too subtle and low-set
• Orbital area lacks the masculine hollow/depth
• Chin lacks sufficient width-to-projection ratio

Alternative Surgical Plan I Would Propose

First Phase:

• Custom wraparound PEEK implant instead of a chin wing
• 80-85mm jaw angle width
• 15-17mm lateral projection at angles
• Extended ramus height by 5-7mm
• More pronounced mandibular border

Second Phase:

• More aggressive malar-orbital complex modification
• Higher set cheekbone position (6-8mm higher than current)
• Increased lateral projection (8-10mm vs. current 4-5mm)
• Infraorbital rim implants for that “hunter-eye” look
• Temporal augmentation to balance wider jaw

Third Phase:

• Wider chin design (38-40mm vs. current ~32mm)
• Deeper paranasal augmentation
• Strategic fat grafting:
  • Maintain definition while preventing a hollow look
  • Build up temporal area
  • Enhanced cheek-jaw transition

Basically, what we’re talking about here is a full-on skull implant. This is why most people don’t get significant results—they don’t go aggressive enough. They don’t push the surgeons, and as a result, the surgeons stay conservative. It’s a loop: surgeons play it safe, so clients don’t get the results they’re after, which leads to underwhelming outcomes and disappointed patients.

It’s not that these results are impossible; it’s that people don’t gamble, they don’t take risks. And here’s how it works:

The Feedback Loop:

• Scared patients = scared surgeons
• Scared surgeons = underwhelming results
• Underwhelming results = disappointed patients
• Disappointed patients = more online hysteria

And the cycle keeps going.

Summing Up
Women don’t care if you get surgery; they care about results. Sure, they might say, “Oh, I like natural,” but the reality is they care about what they see, not the process. Actions speak louder than words. If you want the ideal results, you need the ideal plan. This explains why a normie doesn’t turn into a Chad—you need to go all-in to get there.


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You also need the proper genetic base to be chad, you can’t change everything without ending up super uncanny

Everyone who ascended to chad surgically that is known was already like a htn before and only had a couple fixable failos holding them back

Even with a perfect plan, most people are capped at HTN even with surgery

 

[reptiles]

You also need the proper genetic base to be chad, you can’t change everything

Everyone who ascended to chad surgically that is known was already like a htn before and only had a couple fixable failos holding them back

Even with a perfect plan, most people are capped at HTN even with surgery

Read the thread as to why i already answered this most of the jaw angles are dog shit and need a more aggressive lateral width

 

[esoterik]

You also need the proper genetic base to be chad, you can’t change everything without ending up super uncanny

Everyone who ascended to chad surgically that is known was already like a htn before and only had a couple fixable failos holding them back

Even with a perfect plan, most people are capped at HTN even with surgery

hmmm, depends, as giant said the only thing that is still off the table is moving eyes forward and making the ears further apart which realistically doesn't matter, obviously genetic base determines the movements of them and dictates the outcome but id argue that

facially average ltn/mtn = lots of surgery = chad
exotic phenotype htn = lots of surgery = cl / maybe chad

 

[reptiles]

hmmm, depends, as giant said the only thing that is still off the table is moving eyes forward and making the ears further apart which realistically doesn't matter, obviously genetic base determines the movements of them and dictates the outcome but id argue that

facially average ltn/mtn = lots of surgery = chad
exotic phenotype htn = lots of surgery = cl / maybe chad

Yeah deformed people are the exception

 

[chadintraining]

Read the thread as to why i already answered this most of the jaw angles are dog shit and need a more aggressive lateral width

It isn’t even necessarily a thing with the jaw, as this falls under the umbrella of fixable failos

It is stuff that you can’t (or are at the very minimum very difficult to fix) fix that hold you back (such as midface length and nose length for example)

 

[reptiles]

It isn’t even necessarily a thing with the jaw, as this falls under the umbrella of fixable failos

It is stuff that you can’t (or are very difficult to fix) fix that hold you back (such as midface length and nose length for example)

Those you can't but those are not usually Impossibles what was stopping this guy was multiple factors that combined as a domino effect that's what chad faces are small multiple factors that combine in a domino effect to create an attractive face

 

[esoterik]

Yeah deformed people are the exception

true, despite being ugly my blessing is a really good surgical base. since ill have hopefully around $120k when im mid 18 ill be prob the youngest case of ltn to x (hopefully cl if i play the cards right)

 

[reptiles]

true, despite being ugly my blessing is a really good surgical base. since ill have hopefully around $120k when im mid 18 ill be prob the youngest case of ltn to x (hopefully cl if i play the cards right)

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If you get the money could you help me ascend ?

 

[esoterik]

If you get the money could you help me ascend ?

wdym

 

[chadintraining]

hmmm, depends, as giant said the only thing that is still off the table is moving eyes forward and making the ears further apart which realistically doesn't matter, obviously genetic base determines the movements of them and dictates the outcome but id argue that

facially average ltn/mtn = lots of surgery = chad
exotic phenotype htn = lots of surgery = cl / maybe chad

Yeah it may be possible in theory to do all this, but how would it play out in reality? Probably not the best

And for normies ascending to chad, it depends on what was holding them back. If it was something like a big nose and a too narrow jaw, but otherwise good features, they can easily ascend.

If they are normie because they have stuff like an overly short/long midface, super low/high FWHR, long philtrum (when caused by short nose), etc.., wouldn’t be so sure as these are very hard to fix (and especially have it look natural) and maybe even impossible

 

[reptiles]

wdym

As in fund my surgeries m8 actually nah I'll be fine I have 47 k saves up