Why test 500mg, 5AR inhibitor, Accutane and AI (if necessary) is the best looksmaxcycle. Nuance mogger thread

[gofortheeyes]

t3 isnt catabolic aslong you dont use more than 50 mg
clen has many benefits other than fatloss
spironolactone has been shown to regrow hairline of 60 year old to back when they were 16
pining frequency is a pain in the ass but atleast your have 0 side effect plus it woud take you 1 month maxx without even using serms to get your natty hormones back they ight even end up higher then what they were cause hmg would have make your balls bigger
dht wouldnt be an issue in my opinion excet maybe skin aging you could use ghk copper but i know you hate injecting and i heard that its extremely painfull for wtv reason

I suppose, however I think that test is just easier to use. And it barely has any sides.

Maybe your protocol is better, but it requires much more knowledge and reading for a user. But my protocol is much simpler and uses less compounds with a very tolerable side effect profile.

As for natural hormones,
I didn't even need pct after first cycle (18-21 week cycle i was 18 at thr time) i doubt many people will even need pct after their first cycle, though this might just be personal.

 

[gofortheeyes]

Read every single word. This is contradictory because accutane/isotretinoin has been linked to 41 cases of premature epiphyseal closure which makes it incompatible for users who want to grow to use this.

Analysis of the effects of isotretinoin on the premature epiphyseal closure in pediatric populations: a literature review - PubMed

Isotretinoin-induced premature epiphyseal closure and growth plate deformities seem to be linked to higher doses of isotretinoin for the duration of months to years. There have been reported cases of premature epiphyseal closure in individuals receiving therapeutic doses of isotretinoin for acne...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

@Jonas2k7 @sb23

Very interesting, i hadn't heard of this yet.

 

[gofortheeyes]

Read every single word. This is contradictory because accutane/isotretinoin has been linked to 41 cases of premature epiphyseal closure which makes it incompatible for users who want to grow to use this.

Analysis of the effects of isotretinoin on the premature epiphyseal closure in pediatric populations: a literature review - PubMed

Isotretinoin-induced premature epiphyseal closure and growth plate deformities seem to be linked to higher doses of isotretinoin for the duration of months to years. There have been reported cases of premature epiphyseal closure in individuals receiving therapeutic doses of isotretinoin for acne...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

@Jonas2k7 @sb23

But boyo, did you even read it?

"A cause-and-effect relationship between isotretinoin and premature epiphyseal closure cannot be concluded."

I suppose you don't want to use insanely high dosage, but even the authors mention there is no strong correlation.

 

[halloweed]

But boyo, did you even read it?

"A cause-and-effect relationship between isotretinoin and premature epiphyseal closure cannot be concluded."

I suppose you don't want to use insanely high dosage, but even the authors mention there is no strong correlation.

Yes I read every word of the study and it still closes growth plates. Even when used with therapeutic dosages. Long term = more than a few months with the standard dosage which could still close growth plates.

 

[gofortheeyes]

Yes I read every word of the study and it still closes growth plates. Even when used with therapeutic dosages. Long term = more than a few months with the standard dosage which could still close growth plates.

I think there might be some correlation. However if it were so severe as to destroy your future SMV, it would've gotten a black box side effect warning for use in chlidren, as it is allowed to be used for children.

I think that you can get away with low dose use, even for longer periods of time.

 

[HandsomeOrDeath]

Yeah too bad Fin and Dutasteride do very little to combat the effects of injected testosterone. The Dht is too powerful for the meds to deal with.

 

[20/04/2008]

I suppose, however I think that test is just easier to use. And it barely has any sides.

Maybe your protocol is better, but it requires much more knowledge and reading for a user. But my protocol is much simpler and uses less compounds with a very tolerable side effect profile.

As for natural hormones,
I didn't even need pct after first cycle (18-21 week cycle i was 18 at thr time) i doubt many people will even need pct after their first cycle, though this might just be personal.

your just lucky mot people wont especially if they are using other shit

 

[gofortheeyes]

Yeah too bad Fin and Dutasteride do very little to combat the effects of injected testosterone. The Dht is too powerful for the meds to deal with.

Lol, what? Just up the dose. Even bodybuilder wesley vissers uses dutasteride.

 

[gofortheeyes]

your just lucky mot people wont especially if they are using other shit

What do you mean?

 

[20/04/2008]

What do you mean?

hpta

 

[gofortheeyes]

hpta

Oh i get it, you think i'm lucky i didnt need to pct after my cycle. Perhaps. But pct for your first cycle when you're 17-21 years old isnt that bad. just buy some nolvadex and take it consistently

 

[EliDKing]

read every single molecule. thank you for that, it was very informative. love shit like this

 

[EliDKing]

Thirdly Aromatase inhibitor, There are multiple drugs you can choose from: exemestane, letrozole and anastrazole. The one you can get for least amount of money is best, or which ever is your personal preference. There might be an objective answer in terms of body toxicity, but it's probably minor differences.

Which ai would u say is best. And what kind of pct would u do? hcg? nolvadex? clomid? what are u thinking and what u done urself

 

[gofortheeyes]

Which ai would u say is best. And what kind of pct would u do? hcg? nolvadex? clomid? what are u thinking and what u done urself

AI varies from person to person. The r/steroids wiki recommends aromasin, though you could use any AI you want, keep in mind, some AI's are stronger than others, requiring a lower dose (so read about the drug in question).

For the first cycle i did not need a PCT, i just stopped injecting, cuz i was young and i didn't use a long ester compound, just test enanthate. For my second cycle, i used nolvadex 20mg a day. I only yesterday stopped taking it, as i think my pct is done right now.

You can take any serm really, but nolvadex and clomid seem to be mostly used for PCT and raloxifene seems to be used more for gyno flare up.

You can use hCG in conjunction, i have done that also. And in the most seemless PCT (feeling the least amount of low t side effects) i think it should be included. It's just that it's another compound you'll have to inject and because it has a short half life, ideally you should inject it every morning, so 7 injections per week. I didn't really like that, but you could if you are afraid of losing fertility (which is rare to impossible from just 1 cycle btw)

 

[MA_ascender]

just use hcg and hmg as a base wich would be equal to like 200 mg of test with blasting testosteone from time to time at 300 mg add 12,5 mg aromasin or use cope supplements so you dont screw your lipids or get hairloss from low estrogen and use spirronolactone every 2 days with leo loneevity anti inflammatory stack use use accutane on blasting phase and optionnaly add shit like clen t3 hgh ect....

just rape your LH sensitivity theory

 

[gofortheeyes]

just rape your LH sensitivity theory

Yeah, cuz it's a G-protein coupled receptor, it can deplete over time, but if you don't inject a lot of hCG, you can permanently inject it. Though i think just injecting test is much simpler

 

[EliDKing]

AI varies from person to person. The r/steroids wiki recommends aromasin, though you could use any AI you want, keep in mind, some AI's are stronger than others, requiring a lower dose (so read about the drug in question).

For the first cycle i did not need a PCT, i just stopped injecting, cuz i was young and i didn't use a long ester compound, just test enanthate. For my second cycle, i used nolvadex 20mg a day. I only yesterday stopped taking it, as i think my pct is done right now.

You can take any serm really, but nolvadex and clomid seem to be mostly used for PCT and raloxifene seems to be used more for gyno flare up.

You can use hCG in conjunction, i have done that also. And in the most seemless PCT (feeling the least amount of low t side effects) i think it should be included. It's just that it's another compound you'll have to inject and because it has a short half life, ideally you should inject it every morning, so 7 injections per week. I didn't really like that, but you could if you are afraid of losing fertility (which is rare to impossible from just 1 cycle btw)

hmmm interesting, thanks for the advice

 

[gofortheeyes]

hmmm interesting, thanks for the advice

No problem.

 

[20/04/2008]

just rape your LH sensitivity theory

you get his claim out of your ass

 

[gofortheeyes]

you get his claim out of your ass

Not really. It's actually true that if you inject too much hCG, you deplete the G-proteins that are necessary for the production of testosterone, that's what he means with "rape your LH sensitivity" because the LH wouldn't be able to activate the receptor anymore to produce testosterone. However if you lower the dose of hCG then over time the G-proteins accumulate again.

 

[nemssiki0]

why brah, accutane mogs all skin care products. topical tretinoin didnt do shit for me (personal experience of course)

doesn't accutane fuck up your kids or some shi?

 

[20/04/2008]

Not really. It's actually true that if you inject too much hCG, you deplete the G-proteins that are necessary for the production of testosterone, that's what he means with "rape your LH sensitivity" because the LH wouldn't be able to activate the receptor anymore to produce testosterone. However if you lower the dose of hCG then over time the G-proteins accumulate again.

link study

 

[gofortheeyes]

doesn't accutane fuck up your kids or some shi?

Only for women when they're pregnant. That's why women can't be pregnant and take this med at the same time.

 

[gofortheeyes]

link study

Can't do that, i think chatgpt would be an easy way to find the answer. But it's basic biology though.

 

[HandsomeOrDeath]

Lol, what? Just up the dose. Even bodybuilder wesley vissers uses dutasteride.

"Finasteride is a medication used to stop hair loss, but when it is mixed with steroids, it will usually be rendered useless. Finasteride can be effective if it is used to block the DHT caused by testosterone-based steroids, but for the most part, it will not help at all. Some shampoos and conditioners such as Revivogen can help too, but normally it will be too little, too late. Minoxidil will help slow down hair loss because it counteracts the effects of miniaturization, but this too will only do so much. So overall, even when using the most effective treatments to try and combat the effects of steroids, it is ineffective most of the time."

 

[PSLBurner]

accutane is a horrible drug. used for people who don’t understand the concept of inflammation like clavicular

 

[PSLBurner]

yes hopped on dutasride a week ago already notice better collagen can’t believe i wasn’t gonna use it ever im only 18 but if you have a history with excessive androgen use your time is running out to have androgen resistant follicles just start if your dick is not small and frame and voice and skull is

 

[gofortheeyes]

"Finasteride is a medication used to stop hair loss, but when it is mixed with steroids, it will usually be rendered useless. Finasteride can be effective if it is used to block the DHT caused by testosterone-based steroids, but for the most part, it will not help at all. Some shampoos and conditioners such as Revivogen can help too, but normally it will be too little, too late. Minoxidil will help slow down hair loss because it counteracts the effects of miniaturization, but this too will only do so much. So overall, even when using the most effective treatments to try and combat the effects of steroids, it is ineffective most of the time."

"Finasteride can be effective if it is used to block the DHT caused by testosterone-based steroids," lmao. Testosterone enanthate is a Testosterone based steroid retard. Yeah, finasteride is useless against masteron or primobolan. But it is very effective against Testosterone, as that is what is was designed to do: to stop the conversion of Testosterone to DHT by binding strongly the 5AR type 2.

It is true that a normal finasteride dose of 1mg won't be as effective against against cycle levels of Testosterone compared to normal levels of Testosterone, simply because there is more Testosterone available for the non-blocked 5AR enzymes to convert. Simply by increasing the dose, such that more 5 AR enzymes get blocked, can you mitigate the effect.

 

[gofortheeyes]

yes hopped on dutasride a week ago already notice better collagen can’t believe i wasn’t gonna use it ever im only 18 but if you have a history with excessive androgen use your time is running out to have androgen resistant follicles just start if your dick is not small and frame and voice and skull is

"Androgen resistant hair follicles" what are you talking about boyo? If you have the genes you start balding from puberty, it's just less noticeable becuase you have so much density left.

 

[gofortheeyes]

accutane is a horrible drug. used for people who don’t understand the concept of inflammation like clavicular

I don't agree with that, what do you mean by inflammation? I didn't notice such things.

 

[PSLBurner]

I don't agree with that, what do you mean by inflammation? I didn't notice such things.

if you have acne somethings wrong most likely just inflammation and instead of addressing that you just throw a horrible drug at it, stupid and that’s why he doesn’t look as good as he can

 

[PSLBurner]

"Androgen resistant hair follicles" what are you talking about boyo? If you have the genes you start balding from puberty, it's just less noticeable becuase you have so much density left.

dumb fucking slave

 

[PSLBurner]

"Androgen resistant hair follicles" what are you talking about boyo? If you have the genes you start balding from puberty, it's just less noticeable becuase you have so much density left.

dumbass NPC

 

[PSLBurner]

blocked after that goldfish iq reply, nigga
everybody has the gene it’s called reality


there are more factors than two things in life you dumb fucking faggot jfl

 

[gofortheeyes]

"Finasteride is a medication used to stop hair loss, but when it is mixed with steroids, it will usually be rendered useless. Finasteride can be effective if it is used to block the DHT caused by testosterone-based steroids, but for the most part, it will not help at all. Some shampoos and conditioners such as Revivogen can help too, but normally it will be too little, too late. Minoxidil will help slow down hair loss because it counteracts the effects of miniaturization, but this too will only do so much. So overall, even when using the most effective treatments to try and combat the effects of steroids, it is ineffective most of the time."

blocked after that goldfish iq reply, nigga
everybody has the gene it’s called reality


there are more factors than two things in life you dumb fucking faggot jfl

No lmao, not everyone has the gene, some bodybuilders stll have their after years of blasting. Like 75% have the genes or something, but.it is genetic.

 

[Hexmask]

Firstly, testosterone is a bio identical hormone (disregarding the esters, obv that's not bio identical), it has been researched for decades. The side effects are predictable, and not toxic.
- not liver toxic
- not kidney toxic
- not neurotoxic
- not hairsafe
- not skin safe

It's is hair safe because test itself does not cause hairloss, only it's metabolite DHT. DHT causes DHT-specific conformational changes of the androgen receptor, leading to DHT- specific gene transcription, that might cause hairloss, which depends on whether you have the genes or not. Also, if test itself causes hairloss, then why am i able to stop hairloss with dutasteride even though my systemic test is so much higher than systemic DHT. This can only conclude that reducing DHT is the biggest ROI for stopping hairloss.

This is the reason for the first ancillary on the list: A 5 Alpha Reductase Inhibitor. The only choices are finasteride and dutasteride. anything else is cope. If you think that these drugs are bad, then good luck being a slaphead. If you want more information and perhaps have doubts, which is okay, go watch some videos from the channel "haircafe". Also DHT is bad for skin, as DHT directly increase sebum production, which causes acne. 5ARI's are known for their anti ageing benefits.

The reason it's not skinsafe is because of the potential for hormonal fluctuations. Most often acne is the worst when you just start the cycle (very high increase compared to homeostasis) and when you end a cycle (rapid decrease compared to homeostasis (this depends on the ester used of course)). The other factor is, as mentioned, DHT. Therefore the only logical outcome is to use Accutane everyday. It's a wonderous drug that should be included in the starter kit. The dose you need depends on your own body. If you don't have the money for it, start the cycle, show the acne to your dermatologist, they will prescribe it to you, and if you live in a 1st world country you can get it from insurance. DON'T TELL THEM YOU'RE USING GEAR. When i told them i was using they refused to prescribe me any longer, so i had to source from only out of own pocket.

The best thing about accutane is that it's effect are bascially permanent. Once you''ve done an accutane cycle, The sebum glands in the skin become premanently deregulated, meaning after treatment you never have acne ever again. Or you can do higher dose for a while , then maintain on just 10mg per day, less dry skin, but still the anti acne and improved skin benefits.

For accutane you should use another ancillary namely, a moisturizer. Accutane sides are mostly just dry skin and lips, which can easily be negated by moisturizer and lip balm. Trust me, you're going to need lip balm.


For the last one: An Aromatase inhibitor. This might have a dual purpose when you're younger and cycling: increase height growth as well as lower test conversion to estradiol. Some people might not need an AI at all on 500mg (i didn't), while others are able to lactate from the gyno. If you're young I would recommend it, as you increase test (from normal endogenous production to 500mg exogenous source), it will increase the amount of estrogen in your body, meaning, even though you don't get gyno or other estrogen related side effects, you will still prematurely close your growth plates.

When should you increase or use the dose of x compound:

Firstly 5 ARI's, it you're very young, you probably shouldn't use 5ARI's, as DHT is only useful during puberty. However because of the amount of test you will have in your body, it might be able to compensate meaning that the overall effect of the DHT ON cycle with 5ARI is the same as off cyle without one.
Personal experience: I started finasteride at 18, at (18,8 years old I'm on dutasteride(it mogs finasteride to 5th dimension)), i still have mogger browridge and am able to growbeard to the point of looking ogre(some people think I'm like 22-26 year old) , so it doesn't seem to be that big of an issue, it's still person dependent. If you're a cutecel, you might wanna leave a 5ARI out.

Secondly Accutane, what i suggest you do (without doctor supervision, meaning you buy the drugs out of own pocket) is you first do a blood test before starting your own regimen, My dermatologist tested my intial blood (pre accutane) for: GAMMA- GT, ALT, triglycerides and cholesterol. Then after one month of 20mg treatment you test the same values again, if they are noticeable worse, then BP comes to collect, cuz your body cannot tolerate it. and continuing the use will DAMAGE YOUR LIVER. If the increase is minor, to non noticeable, you can maintain current does, or increase it slightly, maybe by 10-20mg increments.

If you get it from the dermatologist, then just follow what they are doing, and never admit to test use, even if they ask, just lie.

Androgens (non 17 alpha alkylated ones, orals are a different story) and retinoids have no contra indication, so witholding the test use is no big deal. Maybe while you're on avoid excessive alcohol and 17-alpha alkylated steroids (aka: oral steroids, anavar, dianabol winstrol) or sarms these are drugs that mainly metabolize through the liver, meaning you increase the liver burden even further by using these in conjunction.

Thirdly Aromatase inhibitor, There are multiple drugs you can choose from: exemestane, letrozole and anastrazole. The one you can get for least amount of money is best, or which ever is your personal preference. There might be an objective answer in terms of body toxicity, but it's probably minor differences.

First off: DO NOT TAKE A LOT. Estrogen is still an important hormone, even in males. Crushing it to undetectable levels is horrlbe for your penis (no erections), horrible for your skin (just look at transgender, they have much better skin with e2 pills), horrible for you hair (estrogen is very hair protective), horrible for your state of mind (lethargic, no energy, no motivation), cardiotoxic (just aks GPT lol, it does too many things for bloodvessels, lipids and anti inflammation) and even NEUROTOXIC (which is even worse, considering your brain is still developing, making it even worse).

What you want to do is take the dose which you are able to tolerate without any side effects, lack of the things listed above, one of the best indicators is erection quality and existence lmao. There is no standard dose for everyone, you can search online for standard dose and start with that and increase or decrease depending on your own body. (if you need something to cut pills with, use a pill cutter)

If you are serious about starting a steroid cycle, i suggest reading the r/steroids wiki page, it has insanely in depth information about hormones, enzymes, blood pressure and all sorts of things.

What i find hilarious is that i see people on tiktok indoctrinated with the black or white mindset (steroids mean heart attack by 30), they think they're smarter, while in actuality, you can use: Lower doses, Shorter use, blood pressure meds, AI's, statins, beta blockers, lower caffeine intake and different compound selection. This idea that steroids are inherently going to result in you dying is wrong, IRRESPONSIBLE use is very dangerous. That's why you need to be knowledgeable on the subject and know what the outcomes are from doing x and the side effect profile of y and the potential use of ancillary z. You don't need high doses to get a great physique. If you want to add things to the cycle/stack, you need to know the drug, the side effects, metabolization, dosage, safety and duration. BE SMART

If you think: muh natural, unnatural bad, ok then don't take the drugs. If you're scared of needles, don't take the drugs, very simple mathematics here. You're not better or anything, you're just not prepared to do what it takes, and that's alright.

So while others are gymrotting and barely noticing any results, you can be done with your gymcelling and bulking within 2 years and maintain from there on. Imagine working out and barely anyone noticing your physique, brutal. Natural gymrotting is so useless.




If you have any questions, do ask.

Hey man I wanted to come back to your thread and get your opinion. Im cruising right now and my plan for my next blast is 600-750 test and then 200 masteron for bloat. Problem im facing is im deciding if I really wanna try and bulk for once. Ive done my dirty bulk before I was blackpilled but fuck idk if I can commit but I do not want to feel like im wasting drugs just to eat at maintenance or whatever. Whats your thoughts? Could I still overtime grow well on maintenance with protein in check?

 

[5.5psl]

Firstly, testosterone is a bio identical hormone (disregarding the esters, obv that's not bio identical), it has been researched for decades. The side effects are predictable, and not toxic.
- not liver toxic
- not kidney toxic
- not neurotoxic
- not hairsafe
- not skin safe

It's is hair safe because test itself does not cause hairloss, only it's metabolite DHT. DHT causes DHT-specific conformational changes of the androgen receptor, leading to DHT- specific gene transcription, that might cause hairloss, which depends on whether you have the genes or not. Also, if test itself causes hairloss, then why am i able to stop hairloss with dutasteride even though my systemic test is so much higher than systemic DHT. This can only conclude that reducing DHT is the biggest ROI for stopping hairloss.

This is the reason for the first ancillary on the list: A 5 Alpha Reductase Inhibitor. The only choices are finasteride and dutasteride. anything else is cope. If you think that these drugs are bad, then good luck being a slaphead. If you want more information and perhaps have doubts, which is okay, go watch some videos from the channel "haircafe". Also DHT is bad for skin, as DHT directly increase sebum production, which causes acne. 5ARI's are known for their anti ageing benefits.

The reason it's not skinsafe is because of the potential for hormonal fluctuations. Most often acne is the worst when you just start the cycle (very high increase compared to homeostasis) and when you end a cycle (rapid decrease compared to homeostasis (this depends on the ester used of course)). The other factor is, as mentioned, DHT. Therefore the only logical outcome is to use Accutane everyday. It's a wonderous drug that should be included in the starter kit. The dose you need depends on your own body. If you don't have the money for it, start the cycle, show the acne to your dermatologist, they will prescribe it to you, and if you live in a 1st world country you can get it from insurance. DON'T TELL THEM YOU'RE USING GEAR. When i told them i was using they refused to prescribe me any longer, so i had to source from only out of own pocket.

The best thing about accutane is that it's effect are bascially permanent. Once you''ve done an accutane cycle, The sebum glands in the skin become premanently deregulated, meaning after treatment you never have acne ever again. Or you can do higher dose for a while , then maintain on just 10mg per day, less dry skin, but still the anti acne and improved skin benefits.

For accutane you should use another ancillary namely, a moisturizer. Accutane sides are mostly just dry skin and lips, which can easily be negated by moisturizer and lip balm. Trust me, you're going to need lip balm.


For the last one: An Aromatase inhibitor. This might have a dual purpose when you're younger and cycling: increase height growth as well as lower test conversion to estradiol. Some people might not need an AI at all on 500mg (i didn't), while others are able to lactate from the gyno. If you're young I would recommend it, as you increase test (from normal endogenous production to 500mg exogenous source), it will increase the amount of estrogen in your body, meaning, even though you don't get gyno or other estrogen related side effects, you will still prematurely close your growth plates.

When should you increase or use the dose of x compound:

Firstly 5 ARI's, it you're very young, you probably shouldn't use 5ARI's, as DHT is only useful during puberty. However because of the amount of test you will have in your body, it might be able to compensate meaning that the overall effect of the DHT ON cycle with 5ARI is the same as off cyle without one.
Personal experience: I started finasteride at 18, at (18,8 years old I'm on dutasteride(it mogs finasteride to 5th dimension)), i still have mogger browridge and am able to growbeard to the point of looking ogre(some people think I'm like 22-26 year old) , so it doesn't seem to be that big of an issue, it's still person dependent. If you're a cutecel, you might wanna leave a 5ARI out.

Secondly Accutane, what i suggest you do (without doctor supervision, meaning you buy the drugs out of own pocket) is you first do a blood test before starting your own regimen, My dermatologist tested my intial blood (pre accutane) for: GAMMA- GT, ALT, triglycerides and cholesterol. Then after one month of 20mg treatment you test the same values again, if they are noticeable worse, then BP comes to collect, cuz your body cannot tolerate it. and continuing the use will DAMAGE YOUR LIVER. If the increase is minor, to non noticeable, you can maintain current does, or increase it slightly, maybe by 10-20mg increments.

If you get it from the dermatologist, then just follow what they are doing, and never admit to test use, even if they ask, just lie.

Androgens (non 17 alpha alkylated ones, orals are a different story) and retinoids have no contra indication, so witholding the test use is no big deal. Maybe while you're on avoid excessive alcohol and 17-alpha alkylated steroids (aka: oral steroids, anavar, dianabol winstrol) or sarms these are drugs that mainly metabolize through the liver, meaning you increase the liver burden even further by using these in conjunction.

Thirdly Aromatase inhibitor, There are multiple drugs you can choose from: exemestane, letrozole and anastrazole. The one you can get for least amount of money is best, or which ever is your personal preference. There might be an objective answer in terms of body toxicity, but it's probably minor differences.

First off: DO NOT TAKE A LOT. Estrogen is still an important hormone, even in males. Crushing it to undetectable levels is horrlbe for your penis (no erections), horrible for your skin (just look at transgender, they have much better skin with e2 pills), horrible for you hair (estrogen is very hair protective), horrible for your state of mind (lethargic, no energy, no motivation), cardiotoxic (just aks GPT lol, it does too many things for bloodvessels, lipids and anti inflammation) and even NEUROTOXIC (which is even worse, considering your brain is still developing, making it even worse).

What you want to do is take the dose which you are able to tolerate without any side effects, lack of the things listed above, one of the best indicators is erection quality and existence lmao. There is no standard dose for everyone, you can search online for standard dose and start with that and increase or decrease depending on your own body. (if you need something to cut pills with, use a pill cutter)

If you are serious about starting a steroid cycle, i suggest reading the r/steroids wiki page, it has insanely in depth information about hormones, enzymes, blood pressure and all sorts of things.

What i find hilarious is that i see people on tiktok indoctrinated with the black or white mindset (steroids mean heart attack by 30), they think they're smarter, while in actuality, you can use: Lower doses, Shorter use, blood pressure meds, AI's, statins, beta blockers, lower caffeine intake and different compound selection. This idea that steroids are inherently going to result in you dying is wrong, IRRESPONSIBLE use is very dangerous. That's why you need to be knowledgeable on the subject and know what the outcomes are from doing x and the side effect profile of y and the potential use of ancillary z. You don't need high doses to get a great physique. If you want to add things to the cycle/stack, you need to know the drug, the side effects, metabolization, dosage, safety and duration. BE SMART

If you think: muh natural, unnatural bad, ok then don't take the drugs. If you're scared of needles, don't take the drugs, very simple mathematics here. You're not better or anything, you're just not prepared to do what it takes, and that's alright.

So while others are gymrotting and barely noticing any results, you can be done with your gymcelling and bulking within 2 years and maintain from there on. Imagine working out and barely anyone noticing your physique, brutal. Natural gymrotting is so useless.




If you have any questions, do ask.

You should only make such threads if you are on roids and have a good physique if not then pls don't make such threads

 

[gofortheeyes]

if you have acne somethings wrong most likely just inflammation and instead of addressing that you just throw a horrible drug at it, stupid and that’s why he doesn’t look as good as he can

Acne is mostly caused by irregular hormone patterns, that's why it's so common during puberty and once the hormones

Hey man I wanted to come back to your thread and get your opinion. Im cruising right now and my plan for my next blast is 600-750 test and then 200 masteron for bloat. Problem im facing is im deciding if I really wanna try and bulk for once. Ive done my dirty bulk before I was blackpilled but fuck idk if I can commit but I do not want to feel like im wasting drugs just to eat at maintenance or whatever. Whats your thoughts? Could I still overtime grow well on maintenance with protein in check?

How big are you rn?

 

[EliDKing]

Would low dosed anavar along with this be good or nah?

 

[Hexmask]

Acne is mostly caused by irregular hormone patterns, that's why it's so common during puberty and once the hormones

How big are you rn?

I hover between like 198-200 if im full of carbs. Fairly lean but nothing crazy.

 

[gofortheeyes]

I hover between like 198-200 if im full of carbs. Fairly lean but nothing crazy.

Do people compliment you? mostly normies?

 

[gofortheeyes]

Would low dosed anavar along with this be good or nah?

Yeah sure you can do that. low dose anavar barely has any sides, and since you are using a test base along with that you still have a source of e2

 

[Hexmask]

Do people compliment you? mostly normies?

Yeah I get complimented on my physique. But I feel like I dont have enough size halo

 

[gofortheeyes]

Yeah I get complimented on my physique. But I feel like I dont have enough size halo

i dont think size halo exists. can you dm me pics?

 

[Doomer]

DHT literally defines facial development and masculinization even being natural is better than taking test and nuking DHT

 

[EliDKing]

DHT literally defines facial development and masculinization even being natural is better than taking test and nuking DHT

doesnt do much after like 16-17 blud besides make you bald im pretty sure and fuck your skin. he also says if young you should use fin or dut

 

[Pesho]

mirin the effort. bro is just like me. bookmarked

 

[gofortheeyes]

DHT literally defines facial development and masculinization even being natural is better than taking test and nuking DHT

No, in 5AR deficient men it was seen that these men lacked penile growth, body hair and facial hair, but other than that they developed normally to men, muscle and bone mass being the same

 

[EliDKing]

No, in 5AR deficient men it was seen that these men lacked penile growth, body hair and facial hair, but other than that they developed normally to men, muscle and bone mass being the same

so it actually wont matter if i nuke dht if im already okay with my penis size? or will it shrink it

 

[gofortheeyes]

so it actually wont matter if i nuke dht if im already okay with my penis size? or will it shrink it

it wont shrink it lmao. No it wont matter, i started finasteride early was well and my skull is very masculine