Why test 500mg, 5AR inhibitor, Accutane and AI (if necessary) is the best looksmaxcycle. Nuance mogger thread

[EliDKing]

u cant use test and accutane at the same time

why

 

[likenesss]

Oh yes I love it. My hair gets very thick, skin looks beautiful. Its like everytime you do a "cycle" of GHK its like doing a mini botox/microneedling

How much do u pin, frequency of pinning and how long does a cycle last?

 

[gofortheeyes]

u cant use test and accutane at the same time

nice shit post

 

[bonelessvirgin]

if youre on 500mg of test you most definitely need an AI if you dont want to look like a pig but i would highly discourage anyone from taking an ai if you really decide to hop on just be very low bodyfat

 

[gofortheeyes]

if youre on 500mg of test you most definitely need an AI if you dont want to look like a pig but i would highly discourage anyone from taking an ai if you really decide to hop on just be very low bodyfat

Why discourage AI use? As long as you don't crush your e2 to undetectable levels, they're pretty great

 

[bonelessvirgin]

Why discourage AI use? As long as you don't crush your e2 to undetectable levels, they're pretty great

the problem is 99% of people wouldnt use it responsible and do their bloodwork regularly or know how important it is to not rush their e2 but youre right.
but imo as a real looksmaxxer you should always be shredded but the problem naturally is you cant be that lean without having problems with your test so if you decide to blast why not be shredded to achieve peak health, looks and hormone balance while keeping the risk to die as low as possible. also you should aspire to be on as little substances as possible

 

[gofortheeyes]

the problem is 99% of people wouldnt use it responsible and do their bloodwork regularly or know how important it is to not rush their e2 but youre right.
but imo as a real looksmaxxer you should always be shredded but the problem naturally is you cant be that lean without having problems with your test so if you decide to blast why not be shredded to achieve peak health, looks and hormone balance while keeping the risk to die as low as possible. also you should aspire to be on as little substances as possible

For the model look you probably will take a hit on test, but I think the maximum appeal look is slightly above that, so i thibk you are able to be lean without losing a lot of test.

 

[EliDKing]

It also prevents skin ageing.

does fin or only dut do that? because i cant get my hands on dut.

 

[gofortheeyes]

does fin or only dut do that? because i cant get my hands on dut.

Fin also helps with that. Though dut would have an even stronger effect/ anti-aging benefits.

 

[EliDKing]

Fin also helps with that. Though dut would have an even stronger effect/ anti-aging benefits.

i found a way to get dut
would it be fine for a 16.5 year old if i also did shi like trt at 300-500, anavar at 15 mg and asin

 

[gofortheeyes]

i found a way to get dut
would it be fine for a 16.5 year old if i also did shi like trt at 300-500, anavar at 15 mg and asin

I'd wait a bit with the dut. DHT is necessary for penis growth. So I'd start dut when im like 17.5

 

[asdvek]

if youre on 500mg of test you most definitely need an AI if you dont want to look like a pig but i would highly discourage anyone from taking an ai if you really decide to hop on just be very low bodyfat

Shut the fuck up with this retarded advice dumb faggot nigger "just be low bodyfat broo" kill yourself hang urself

 

[bonelessvirgin]

Shut the fuck up with this retarded advice dumb faggot nigger "just be low bodyfat broo" kill yourself hang urself

no im completely right. if you dont have bodyfat your bodys ability to aromatize is gonna be capped and therefore youre gonna have low- normal e levels without having to take an ai

 

[asdvek]

no im completely right. if you dont have bodyfat your bodys ability to aromatize is gonna be capped and therefore youre gonna have low- normal e levels without having to take an ai

First cycle is bulk usually

 

[bonelessvirgin]

First cycle is bulk usually

youre body can build muscle better if youre lean and you dont need a big surplus to build muscle. its just the superior way of building muscle and look your the best and be as healthy as possible

 

[gofortheeyes]

no im completely right. if you dont have bodyfat your bodys ability to aromatize is gonna be capped and therefore youre gonna have low- normal e levels without having to take an ai

It is true that higher bodyfat will often result in high e2. However there are people who still aromatize a lot even though bodyfat wise they'd be okay.

I'm pretty sure aromatase isn't solely found in fat tissue. So getting lower bf won't do much for this.

 

[bonelessvirgin]

It is true that higher bodyfat will often result in high e2. However there are people who still aromatize a lot even though bodyfat wise they'd be okay.

I'm pretty sure aromatase isn't solely found in fat tissue. So getting lower bf won't do much for this.

but a majority of it. if you have close to no fat theres still aromatization in the brain and muscles and other places but its not gonna be enough that it would even be possible to have high estrogen. ive done hours of research this is the way imo if you really want to hop on

 

[appeal]

Yeah bro, i have zero UEE cuz of ogre browridge, very happy with that

would u notice changes like this from one blast cycle? im blasting at 600mg test e + ai, then will cruise.
18.5 years old, adding dut after blast when im 19 (i already have the dut on hand)

 

[gofortheeyes]

would u notice changes like this from one blast cycle? im blasting at 600mg test e + ai, then will cruise.
18.5 years old, adding dut after blast when im 19 (i already have the dut on hand)

I'm guessing yes. Depends on how long you blast

 

[appeal]

I'm guessing yes. Depends on how long you blast

Thinking 16-20 weeks

 

[gofortheeyes]

Thinking 16-20 weeks

That'll will help

 

[HardmaxxUser]

Just wondering as I’d rather wait till 25 or so to take a systemic dht blocker in order to get max bone gains from dht while young.
Obvs if the Norwood reaper knocks at my door I’ll probably change my mind and shoot him with whatever asteride I can get my hands on but I’m gonna stay hopeful in the meantime.

I’m doing the same thing

 

[EliDKing]

I’m doing the same thing

hasnt there been a study that it shows dht has almost no to zero effect on bones jfl

 

[gofortheeyes]

I’m doing the same thing

Dht has little to no effect on bone growth

 

[EliDKing]

Dht has little to no effect on bone growth

if i am very low fat like 10 procent.

how much ai do i need for 500 test? i know you dont know excact answer but do you think sum like 12.5 eod would be enough

how should i do my accutane i have this in stock, what should i do for most results and least dmg:
30 - 40 mg pills
60 - 20 mg pills
90 - 10 mg pills

 

[gofortheeyes]

if i am very low fat like 10 procent.

how much ai do i need for 500 test? i know you dont know excact answer but do you think sum like 12.5 eod would be enough

how should i do my accutane i have this in stock, what should i do for most results and least dmg:
30 - 40 mg pills
60 - 20 mg pills
90 - 10 mg pills

I'd go with atandard dose 20mg ED Accutane first. This is what dermatologists prescribe also. Like i said in the guide. You should do bloodwork after a month to check whether you can tolerate the drugs.

12.5mg EOD is probably enough

 

[EliDKing]

I'd go with atandard dose 20mg ED Accutane first. This is what dermatologists prescribe also. Like i said in the guide. You should do bloodwork after a month to check whether you can tolerate the drugs.

12.5mg EOD is probably enough

Thanks Bhai

 

[HardmaxxUser]

Dht has little to no effect on bone growth

and why do you believe that. I also like having sex.

 

[gofortheeyes]

and why do you believe that. I also like having sex.

Just ask chatgpt. Or read the study done on 5 alpha reductase deficient men. They have normal bone growth but lacked body hair and penis growth.

 

[DunkBunk]

Firstly, testosterone is a bio identical hormone (disregarding the esters, obv that's not bio identical), it has been researched for decades. The side effects are predictable, and not toxic.
- not liver toxic
- not kidney toxic
- not neurotoxic
- not hairsafe
- not skin safe

It's is hair safe because test itself does not cause hairloss, only it's metabolite DHT. DHT causes DHT-specific conformational changes of the androgen receptor, leading to DHT- specific gene transcription, that might cause hairloss, which depends on whether you have the genes or not. Also, if test itself causes hairloss, then why am i able to stop hairloss with dutasteride even though my systemic test is so much higher than systemic DHT. This can only conclude that reducing DHT is the biggest ROI for stopping hairloss.

This is the reason for the first ancillary on the list: A 5 Alpha Reductase Inhibitor. The only choices are finasteride and dutasteride. anything else is cope. If you think that these drugs are bad, then good luck being a slaphead. If you want more information and perhaps have doubts, which is okay, go watch some videos from the channel "haircafe". Also DHT is bad for skin, as DHT directly increase sebum production, which causes acne. 5ARI's are known for their anti ageing benefits.

The reason it's not skinsafe is because of the potential for hormonal fluctuations. Most often acne is the worst when you just start the cycle (very high increase compared to homeostasis) and when you end a cycle (rapid decrease compared to homeostasis (this depends on the ester used of course)). The other factor is, as mentioned, DHT. Therefore the only logical outcome is to use Accutane everyday. It's a wonderous drug that should be included in the starter kit. The dose you need depends on your own body. If you don't have the money for it, start the cycle, show the acne to your dermatologist, they will prescribe it to you, and if you live in a 1st world country you can get it from insurance. DON'T TELL THEM YOU'RE USING GEAR. When i told them i was using they refused to prescribe me any longer, so i had to source from only out of own pocket.

The best thing about accutane is that it's effect are bascially permanent. Once you''ve done an accutane cycle, The sebum glands in the skin become premanently deregulated, meaning after treatment you never have acne ever again. Or you can do higher dose for a while , then maintain on just 10mg per day, less dry skin, but still the anti acne and improved skin benefits.

For accutane you should use another ancillary namely, a moisturizer. Accutane sides are mostly just dry skin and lips, which can easily be negated by moisturizer and lip balm. Trust me, you're going to need lip balm.


For the last one: An Aromatase inhibitor. This might have a dual purpose when you're younger and cycling: increase height growth as well as lower test conversion to estradiol. Some people might not need an AI at all on 500mg (i didn't), while others are able to lactate from the gyno. If you're young I would recommend it, as you increase test (from normal endogenous production to 500mg exogenous source), it will increase the amount of estrogen in your body, meaning, even though you don't get gyno or other estrogen related side effects, you will still prematurely close your growth plates.

When should you increase or use the dose of x compound:

Firstly 5 ARI's, it you're very young, you probably shouldn't use 5ARI's, as DHT is only useful during puberty. However because of the amount of test you will have in your body, it might be able to compensate meaning that the overall effect of the DHT ON cycle with 5ARI is the same as off cyle without one.
Personal experience: I started finasteride at 18, at (18,8 years old I'm on dutasteride(it mogs finasteride to 5th dimension)), i still have mogger browridge and am able to growbeard to the point of looking ogre(some people think I'm like 22-26 year old) , so it doesn't seem to be that big of an issue, it's still person dependent. If you're a cutecel, you might wanna leave a 5ARI out.

Secondly Accutane, what i suggest you do (without doctor supervision, meaning you buy the drugs out of own pocket) is you first do a blood test before starting your own regimen, My dermatologist tested my intial blood (pre accutane) for: GAMMA- GT, ALT, triglycerides and cholesterol. Then after one month of 20mg treatment you test the same values again, if they are noticeable worse, then BP comes to collect, cuz your body cannot tolerate it. and continuing the use will DAMAGE YOUR LIVER. If the increase is minor, to non noticeable, you can maintain current does, or increase it slightly, maybe by 10-20mg increments.

If you get it from the dermatologist, then just follow what they are doing, and never admit to test use, even if they ask, just lie.

Androgens (non 17 alpha alkylated ones, orals are a different story) and retinoids have no contra indication, so witholding the test use is no big deal. Maybe while you're on avoid excessive alcohol and 17-alpha alkylated steroids (aka: oral steroids, anavar, dianabol winstrol) or sarms these are drugs that mainly metabolize through the liver, meaning you increase the liver burden even further by using these in conjunction.

Thirdly Aromatase inhibitor, There are multiple drugs you can choose from: exemestane, letrozole and anastrazole. The one you can get for least amount of money is best, or which ever is your personal preference. There might be an objective answer in terms of body toxicity, but it's probably minor differences.

First off: DO NOT TAKE A LOT. Estrogen is still an important hormone, even in males. Crushing it to undetectable levels is horrlbe for your penis (no erections), horrible for your skin (just look at transgender, they have much better skin with e2 pills), horrible for you hair (estrogen is very hair protective), horrible for your state of mind (lethargic, no energy, no motivation), cardiotoxic (just aks GPT lol, it does too many things for bloodvessels, lipids and anti inflammation) and even NEUROTOXIC (which is even worse, considering your brain is still developing, making it even worse).

What you want to do is take the dose which you are able to tolerate without any side effects, lack of the things listed above, one of the best indicators is erection quality and existence lmao. There is no standard dose for everyone, you can search online for standard dose and start with that and increase or decrease depending on your own body. (if you need something to cut pills with, use a pill cutter)

If you are serious about starting a steroid cycle, i suggest reading the r/steroids wiki page, it has insanely in depth information about hormones, enzymes, blood pressure and all sorts of things.

What i find hilarious is that i see people on tiktok indoctrinated with the black or white mindset (steroids mean heart attack by 30), they think they're smarter, while in actuality, you can use: Lower doses, Shorter use, blood pressure meds, AI's, statins, beta blockers, lower caffeine intake and different compound selection. This idea that steroids are inherently going to result in you dying is wrong, IRRESPONSIBLE use is very dangerous. That's why you need to be knowledgeable on the subject and know what the outcomes are from doing x and the side effect profile of y and the potential use of ancillary z. You don't need high doses to get a great physique. If you want to add things to the cycle/stack, you need to know the drug, the side effects, metabolization, dosage, safety and duration. BE SMART

If you think: muh natural, unnatural bad, ok then don't take the drugs. If you're scared of needles, don't take the drugs, very simple mathematics here. You're not better or anything, you're just not prepared to do what it takes, and that's alright.

So while others are gymrotting and barely noticing any results, you can be done with your gymcelling and bulking within 2 years and maintain from there on. Imagine working out and barely anyone noticing your physique, brutal. Natural gymrotting is so useless.




If you have any questions, do ask.

Yeeahhh gonna have to call cap on test doesn’t cause hairloss.

Testosterone DOES cause male pattern hairloss/androgenic alopecia. All androgens do in fact. If you simply think about it for like more than 5 minutes you realize that AAS like tren also cause hairloss without metabolizing to DHT. You saying that you can’t notice significant hairloss (yet) while cycling doesn’t mean shit. The only thing that means is that you’re less prone to MPB, so congrats ig.

What actually matters is how androgenic a compound is, not if it converts to DHT. As such, even a high dose of test will cause an increase in hairloss (MPB).

If you don’t believe me go check out MorePlatesMoreDates on youtube. He made a video explaining this and also has his own experience which is also anecdotal evidence (much like your “muh hair is still fine despite cycling though”).

Also, I don’t agree with you just disregarding the differences in aromatase inhibitors. Exemestane/aromasin is a suicide inhibitor, which is very different from Anastrozole/arimadex. Anastrozole is not a suicide inhibitor and will cause a rebound effect when discontinued.

 

[Atilapilled]

Firstly, testosterone is a bio identical hormone (disregarding the esters, obv that's not bio identical), it has been researched for decades. The side effects are predictable, and not toxic.
- not liver toxic
- not kidney toxic
- not neurotoxic
- not hairsafe
- not skin safe

It's is hair safe because test itself does not cause hairloss, only it's metabolite DHT. DHT causes DHT-specific conformational changes of the androgen receptor, leading to DHT- specific gene transcription, that might cause hairloss, which depends on whether you have the genes or not. Also, if test itself causes hairloss, then why am i able to stop hairloss with dutasteride even though my systemic test is so much higher than systemic DHT. This can only conclude that reducing DHT is the biggest ROI for stopping hairloss.

This is the reason for the first ancillary on the list: A 5 Alpha Reductase Inhibitor. The only choices are finasteride and dutasteride. anything else is cope. If you think that these drugs are bad, then good luck being a slaphead. If you want more information and perhaps have doubts, which is okay, go watch some videos from the channel "haircafe". Also DHT is bad for skin, as DHT directly increase sebum production, which causes acne. 5ARI's are known for their anti ageing benefits.

The reason it's not skinsafe is because of the potential for hormonal fluctuations. Most often acne is the worst when you just start the cycle (very high increase compared to homeostasis) and when you end a cycle (rapid decrease compared to homeostasis (this depends on the ester used of course)). The other factor is, as mentioned, DHT. Therefore the only logical outcome is to use Accutane everyday. It's a wonderous drug that should be included in the starter kit. The dose you need depends on your own body. If you don't have the money for it, start the cycle, show the acne to your dermatologist, they will prescribe it to you, and if you live in a 1st world country you can get it from insurance. DON'T TELL THEM YOU'RE USING GEAR. When i told them i was using they refused to prescribe me any longer, so i had to source from only out of own pocket.

The best thing about accutane is that it's effect are bascially permanent. Once you''ve done an accutane cycle, The sebum glands in the skin become premanently deregulated, meaning after treatment you never have acne ever again. Or you can do higher dose for a while , then maintain on just 10mg per day, less dry skin, but still the anti acne and improved skin benefits.

For accutane you should use another ancillary namely, a moisturizer. Accutane sides are mostly just dry skin and lips, which can easily be negated by moisturizer and lip balm. Trust me, you're going to need lip balm.


For the last one: An Aromatase inhibitor. This might have a dual purpose when you're younger and cycling: increase height growth as well as lower test conversion to estradiol. Some people might not need an AI at all on 500mg (i didn't), while others are able to lactate from the gyno. If you're young I would recommend it, as you increase test (from normal endogenous production to 500mg exogenous source), it will increase the amount of estrogen in your body, meaning, even though you don't get gyno or other estrogen related side effects, you will still prematurely close your growth plates.

When should you increase or use the dose of x compound:

Firstly 5 ARI's, it you're very young, you probably shouldn't use 5ARI's, as DHT is only useful during puberty. However because of the amount of test you will have in your body, it might be able to compensate meaning that the overall effect of the DHT ON cycle with 5ARI is the same as off cyle without one.
Personal experience: I started finasteride at 18, at (18,8 years old I'm on dutasteride(it mogs finasteride to 5th dimension)), i still have mogger browridge and am able to growbeard to the point of looking ogre(some people think I'm like 22-26 year old) , so it doesn't seem to be that big of an issue, it's still person dependent. If you're a cutecel, you might wanna leave a 5ARI out.

Secondly Accutane, what i suggest you do (without doctor supervision, meaning you buy the drugs out of own pocket) is you first do a blood test before starting your own regimen, My dermatologist tested my intial blood (pre accutane) for: GAMMA- GT, ALT, triglycerides and cholesterol. Then after one month of 20mg treatment you test the same values again, if they are noticeable worse, then BP comes to collect, cuz your body cannot tolerate it. and continuing the use will DAMAGE YOUR LIVER. If the increase is minor, to non noticeable, you can maintain current does, or increase it slightly, maybe by 10-20mg increments.

If you get it from the dermatologist, then just follow what they are doing, and never admit to test use, even if they ask, just lie.

Androgens (non 17 alpha alkylated ones, orals are a different story) and retinoids have no contra indication, so witholding the test use is no big deal. Maybe while you're on avoid excessive alcohol and 17-alpha alkylated steroids (aka: oral steroids, anavar, dianabol winstrol) or sarms these are drugs that mainly metabolize through the liver, meaning you increase the liver burden even further by using these in conjunction.

Thirdly Aromatase inhibitor, There are multiple drugs you can choose from: exemestane, letrozole and anastrazole. The one you can get for least amount of money is best, or which ever is your personal preference. There might be an objective answer in terms of body toxicity, but it's probably minor differences.

First off: DO NOT TAKE A LOT. Estrogen is still an important hormone, even in males. Crushing it to undetectable levels is horrlbe for your penis (no erections), horrible for your skin (just look at transgender, they have much better skin with e2 pills), horrible for you hair (estrogen is very hair protective), horrible for your state of mind (lethargic, no energy, no motivation), cardiotoxic (just aks GPT lol, it does too many things for bloodvessels, lipids and anti inflammation) and even NEUROTOXIC (which is even worse, considering your brain is still developing, making it even worse).

What you want to do is take the dose which you are able to tolerate without any side effects, lack of the things listed above, one of the best indicators is erection quality and existence lmao. There is no standard dose for everyone, you can search online for standard dose and start with that and increase or decrease depending on your own body. (if you need something to cut pills with, use a pill cutter)

If you are serious about starting a steroid cycle, i suggest reading the r/steroids wiki page, it has insanely in depth information about hormones, enzymes, blood pressure and all sorts of things.

What i find hilarious is that i see people on tiktok indoctrinated with the black or white mindset (steroids mean heart attack by 30), they think they're smarter, while in actuality, you can use: Lower doses, Shorter use, blood pressure meds, AI's, statins, beta blockers, lower caffeine intake and different compound selection. This idea that steroids are inherently going to result in you dying is wrong, IRRESPONSIBLE use is very dangerous. That's why you need to be knowledgeable on the subject and know what the outcomes are from doing x and the side effect profile of y and the potential use of ancillary z. You don't need high doses to get a great physique. If you want to add things to the cycle/stack, you need to know the drug, the side effects, metabolization, dosage, safety and duration. BE SMART

If you think: muh natural, unnatural bad, ok then don't take the drugs. If you're scared of needles, don't take the drugs, very simple mathematics here. You're not better or anything, you're just not prepared to do what it takes, and that's alright.

So while others are gymrotting and barely noticing any results, you can be done with your gymcelling and bulking within 2 years and maintain from there on. Imagine working out and barely anyone noticing your physique, brutal. Natural gymrotting is so useless.




If you have any questions, do ask.

Where do I get aromasin my doctor is fucked I can't get it from her I'm for eastern European shithole country what do I do

 

[gofortheeyes]

Where do I get aromasin my doctor is fucked I can't get it from her I'm for eastern European shithole country what do I do

Order it online from steroid shops like driadashop or something it's Lithuanian so you should be good

 

[gofortheeyes]

Yeeahhh gonna have to call cap on test doesn’t cause hairloss.

Testosterone DOES cause male pattern hairloss/androgenic alopecia. All androgens do in fact. If you simply think about it for like more than 5 minutes you realize that AAS like tren also cause hairloss without metabolizing to DHT. You saying that you can’t notice significant hairloss (yet) while cycling doesn’t mean shit. The only thing that means is that you’re less prone to MPB, so congrats ig.

What actually matters is how androgenic a compound is, not if it converts to DHT. As such, even a high dose of test will cause an increase in hairloss (MPB).

If you don’t believe me go check out MorePlatesMoreDates on youtube. He made a video explaining this and also has his own experience which is also anecdotal evidence (much like your “muh hair is still fine despite cycling though”).

Also, I don’t agree with you just disregarding the differences in aromatase inhibitors. Exemestane/aromasin is a suicide inhibitor, which is very different from Anastrozole/arimadex. Anastrozole is not a suicide inhibitor and will cause a rebound effect when discontinued.

Tren isn't a testosterone derivative, it's a 19-nor derivative which may be able to bind differently and express different genes compared to normal test.

 

[Atilapilled]

Order it online from steroid shops like driadashop or something it's Lithuanian so you should be good

what ai should i order i cant seem to find it

 

[Atilapilled]

what ai should i order i cant seem to find it

Nvm its Exemestane

 

[DunkBunk]

Tren isn't a testosterone derivative, it's a 19-nor derivative which may be able to bind differently and express different genes compared to normal test.

Fair point about tren not being a test derivative. But we have seen enough people getting on tren and being visited by the norwood reaper to not say that tren will likely cause hairloss, directly or indirectly.

Secondly, that video does not disprove my argument.

In the video it is claimed that testosterone is does not cause hairloss and a study is cited. I looked into that specific study and found that they do not designate hairloss as one of the measurements. The study didn't even mention something regarding hair loss beyond saying that 5a-reductase inhibitors are used to treat androgenic alopecia. The claim that testosterone does not cause androgenic alopecia is wholly unsupported by the study that was cited.


But if the line of thought that DHT is the only culprit of androgenic alopecia is explored, you will find that TRT will STILL most likely cause hairloss. This is because serum DHT and scalp DHT are 2 different values. Your serum DHT might be 6% when using dutasteride but your scalp DHT will still be at 50%. Reducing scalp DHT is very hard from what I understand, but I haven't looked into it that deeply yet. So, if your on a cycle of 500mg and you still have 50% of your scalp DHT, that hairline will likely still be getting fucked slowly.

PS: I am kinda convinced now that DHT is the very biggest culprit (don't wanna make any grand claims of it being the only culprit) of androgenic alopecia, because of the studies with the men who are 5a-reductase deficient and have godly hairlines and 0 recession. So thanks for that!

 

[gofortheeyes]

Fair point about tren not being a test derivative. But we have seen enough people getting on tren and being visited by the norwood reaper to not say that tren will likely cause hairloss, directly or indirectly.

Secondly, that video does not disprove my argument.

In the video it is claimed that testosterone is does not cause hairloss and a study is cited. I looked into that specific study and found that they do not designate hairloss as one of the measurements. The study didn't even mention something regarding hair loss beyond saying that 5a-reductase inhibitors are used to treat androgenic alopecia. The claim that testosterone does not cause androgenic alopecia is wholly unsupported by the study that was cited.


But if the line of thought that DHT is the only culprit of androgenic alopecia is explored, you will find that TRT will STILL most likely cause hairloss. This is because serum DHT and scalp DHT are 2 different values. Your serum DHT might be 6% when using dutasteride but your scalp DHT will still be at 50%. Reducing scalp DHT is very hard from what I understand, but I haven't looked into it that deeply yet. So, if your on a cycle of 500mg and you still have 50% of your scalp DHT, that hairline will likely still be getting fucked slowly.

PS: I am kinda convinced now that DHT is the very biggest culprit (don't wanna make any grand claims of it being the only culprit) of androgenic alopecia, because of the studies with the men who are 5a-reductase deficient and have godly hairlines and 0 recession. So thanks for that!

19 nor derivatives might cause similar gene expression as DHT which could explain the hairloss.

Of course: if you go on trt, you could possibly increase your test and therefore increase DHT, as the chance of test binding to the 5AR increases because there is more test present.

 

[HandsomeHustler]

Any thoughts on ru topical for dht blocking at scalp?

ru is better

 

[gofortheeyes]

ru is better

Sure boyo believe that.

 

[HandsomeHustler]

It is true that higher bodyfat will often result in high e2. However there are people who still aromatize a lot even though bodyfat wise they'd be okay.

I'm pretty sure aromatase isn't solely found in fat tissue. So getting lower bf won't do much for this.

Its found in skin, brain, testicles but mostly fat, losing bf fixes a lot of it. There are many women getting endocrine disruption due to too much estrogen because of high body fat.

 

[gofortheeyes]

Its found in skin, brain, testicles but mostly fat, losing bf fixes a lot of it. There are many women getting endocrine disruption due to too much estrogen because of high body fat.

Uhm yeah, that's kinda what i said

 

[HandsomeHustler]

Uhm yeah, that's kinda what i said

But it will do a significant amount

 

[e65man]

can you use hgh too w rbis cycle

 

[gofortheeyes]

can you use hgh too w rbis cycle

Yeah

 

[e65man]

Yeah

and should you donthis during puberty

 

[gofortheeyes]

and should you donthis during puberty

You can. I would combine it with AI to prevent premature growthplate closure