Why test 500mg, 5AR inhibitor, Accutane and AI (if necessary) is the best looksmaxcycle. Nuance mogger thread

[EliDKing]

Ideally as much as possible/ you can afford. DHT is useless past purbery as this is what all the studies seem to indicate

i've already ran a accutane cycle and it worked wonders. i am thinking of just maintaining with 0.5 mg dut ed or should i countinue low dose accutane aswell. it just chops my lips so much-

 

[Sadist]

Firstly, testosterone is a bio identical hormone (disregarding the esters, obv that's not bio identical), it has been researched for decades. The side effects are predictable, and not toxic.
- not liver toxic
- not kidney toxic
- not neurotoxic
- not hairsafe
- not skin safe

It's is hair safe because test itself does not cause hairloss, only it's metabolite DHT. DHT causes DHT-specific conformational changes of the androgen receptor, leading to DHT- specific gene transcription, that might cause hairloss, which depends on whether you have the genes or not. Also, if test itself causes hairloss, then why am i able to stop hairloss with dutasteride even though my systemic test is so much higher than systemic DHT. This can only conclude that reducing DHT is the biggest ROI for stopping hairloss.

This is the reason for the first ancillary on the list: A 5 Alpha Reductase Inhibitor. The only choices are finasteride and dutasteride. anything else is cope. If you think that these drugs are bad, then good luck being a slaphead. If you want more information and perhaps have doubts, which is okay, go watch some videos from the channel "haircafe". Also DHT is bad for skin, as DHT directly increase sebum production, which causes acne. 5ARI's are known for their anti ageing benefits.

The reason it's not skinsafe is because of the potential for hormonal fluctuations. Most often acne is the worst when you just start the cycle (very high increase compared to homeostasis) and when you end a cycle (rapid decrease compared to homeostasis (this depends on the ester used of course)). The other factor is, as mentioned, DHT. Therefore the only logical outcome is to use Accutane everyday. It's a wonderous drug that should be included in the starter kit. The dose you need depends on your own body. If you don't have the money for it, start the cycle, show the acne to your dermatologist, they will prescribe it to you, and if you live in a 1st world country you can get it from insurance. DON'T TELL THEM YOU'RE USING GEAR. When i told them i was using they refused to prescribe me any longer, so i had to source from only out of own pocket.

The best thing about accutane is that it's effect are bascially permanent. Once you''ve done an accutane cycle, The sebum glands in the skin become premanently deregulated, meaning after treatment you never have acne ever again. Or you can do higher dose for a while , then maintain on just 10mg per day, less dry skin, but still the anti acne and improved skin benefits.

For accutane you should use another ancillary namely, a moisturizer. Accutane sides are mostly just dry skin and lips, which can easily be negated by moisturizer and lip balm. Trust me, you're going to need lip balm.


For the last one: An Aromatase inhibitor. This might have a dual purpose when you're younger and cycling: increase height growth as well as lower test conversion to estradiol. Some people might not need an AI at all on 500mg (i didn't), while others are able to lactate from the gyno. If you're young I would recommend it, as you increase test (from normal endogenous production to 500mg exogenous source), it will increase the amount of estrogen in your body, meaning, even though you don't get gyno or other estrogen related side effects, you will still prematurely close your growth plates.

When should you increase or use the dose of x compound:

Firstly 5 ARI's, it you're very young, you probably shouldn't use 5ARI's, as DHT is only useful during puberty. However because of the amount of test you will have in your body, it might be able to compensate meaning that the overall effect of the DHT ON cycle with 5ARI is the same as off cyle without one.
Personal experience: I started finasteride at 18, at (18,8 years old I'm on dutasteride(it mogs finasteride to 5th dimension)), i still have mogger browridge and am able to growbeard to the point of looking ogre(some people think I'm like 22-26 year old) , so it doesn't seem to be that big of an issue, it's still person dependent. If you're a cutecel, you might wanna leave a 5ARI out.

Secondly Accutane, what i suggest you do (without doctor supervision, meaning you buy the drugs out of own pocket) is you first do a blood test before starting your own regimen, My dermatologist tested my intial blood (pre accutane) for: GAMMA- GT, ALT, triglycerides and cholesterol. Then after one month of 20mg treatment you test the same values again, if they are noticeable worse, then BP comes to collect, cuz your body cannot tolerate it. and continuing the use will DAMAGE YOUR LIVER. If the increase is minor, to non noticeable, you can maintain current does, or increase it slightly, maybe by 10-20mg increments.

If you get it from the dermatologist, then just follow what they are doing, and never admit to test use, even if they ask, just lie.

Androgens (non 17 alpha alkylated ones, orals are a different story) and retinoids have no contra indication, so witholding the test use is no big deal. Maybe while you're on avoid excessive alcohol and 17-alpha alkylated steroids (aka: oral steroids, anavar, dianabol winstrol) or sarms these are drugs that mainly metabolize through the liver, meaning you increase the liver burden even further by using these in conjunction.

Thirdly Aromatase inhibitor, There are multiple drugs you can choose from: exemestane, letrozole and anastrazole. The one you can get for least amount of money is best, or which ever is your personal preference. There might be an objective answer in terms of body toxicity, but it's probably minor differences.

First off: DO NOT TAKE A LOT. Estrogen is still an important hormone, even in males. Crushing it to undetectable levels is horrlbe for your penis (no erections), horrible for your skin (just look at transgender, they have much better skin with e2 pills), horrible for you hair (estrogen is very hair protective), horrible for your state of mind (lethargic, no energy, no motivation), cardiotoxic (just aks GPT lol, it does too many things for bloodvessels, lipids and anti inflammation) and even NEUROTOXIC (which is even worse, considering your brain is still developing, making it even worse).

What you want to do is take the dose which you are able to tolerate without any side effects, lack of the things listed above, one of the best indicators is erection quality and existence lmao. There is no standard dose for everyone, you can search online for standard dose and start with that and increase or decrease depending on your own body. (if you need something to cut pills with, use a pill cutter)

If you are serious about starting a steroid cycle, i suggest reading the r/steroids wiki page, it has insanely in depth information about hormones, enzymes, blood pressure and all sorts of things.

What i find hilarious is that i see people on tiktok indoctrinated with the black or white mindset (steroids mean heart attack by 30), they think they're smarter, while in actuality, you can use: Lower doses, Shorter use, blood pressure meds, AI's, statins, beta blockers, lower caffeine intake and different compound selection. This idea that steroids are inherently going to result in you dying is wrong, IRRESPONSIBLE use is very dangerous. That's why you need to be knowledgeable on the subject and know what the outcomes are from doing x and the side effect profile of y and the potential use of ancillary z. You don't need high doses to get a great physique. If you want to add things to the cycle/stack, you need to know the drug, the side effects, metabolization, dosage, safety and duration. BE SMART

If you think: muh natural, unnatural bad, ok then don't take the drugs. If you're scared of needles, don't take the drugs, very simple mathematics here. You're not better or anything, you're just not prepared to do what it takes, and that's alright.

So while others are gymrotting and barely noticing any results, you can be done with your gymcelling and bulking within 2 years and maintain from there on. Imagine working out and barely anyone noticing your physique, brutal. Natural gymrotting is so useless.




If you have any questions, do ask.

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[gofortheeyes]

i've already ran a accutane cycle and it worked wonders. i am thinking of just maintaining with 0.5 mg dut ed or should i countinue low dose accutane aswell. it just chops my lips so much-

How much Accutane you taking? You could always lower the dose. I'm taking 10mg per day and have zero sides. It has totally reshaped my idea of skincare. I now think all skincare is cope when you can just take 10mg Accutane and that's it.