You don't realize you are coping

[Peco]

DISCLAIMER: I'm not trying to judge anyone here, but I would like you guys to reflect on a few things. You are free to criticize me if you disagree.

Roids, surgery, implants, injections... These are the most popular and advocated for interventions in this forum. But I feel like the only good use these things have is coping. The reality is that before you can get surgery or implants or whatever other bullshit you think you need you are gonna have to wait for years. Getting the money, booking, scheduling and recovery, and that's assuming things don't go wrong.

If you feel like you need any of these procedures done you probably think you are ugly or you aren't having much success in your social life. Knowing that these procedures exist keeps you going though, because while you think your life sucks now, since these things exist you believe that's it's only a matter of time before you'll be able to live a fulfilling life. This is called delusion. You are denying your current reality and attaching value only to your future self.

The problem with this mindset which I think is common to 99% of the users of this forum is that it is inevitable that your efforts will decrease. Everything you do will seem worthless in comparison to the expectations you have for your future procedures. You won't try as hard because in the back of your mind there will always the the thought that one day everything will be corrected by those interventions.

If these procedures did not exist you would try 200% harder than you are right now. That is an undeniable truth. But reality isn't much different. You think that these interventions are gonna fix your problems but they are not. They are just slowing you down.

If you would like to read more about this I made 2 threads specifically about surgery and also injection/implants explaining why they should be avoided most of the time.

Surgery

Implants,fat grafts etc...

 

[darodiddler]

DNR LOW IQ GREY NIGGER

 

[Peco]

DNR LOW IQ GREY NIGGER

Make some actual criticism instead of just typing bullshit

 

[Jeiko]

DNR loser, all in surgeries

 

[Peco]

DNR loser, all in surgeries

Can you guys back your position with some arguments ? It's really a topic worth discussing in my opinion. I'd like to hear your criticism on what I said

 

[Y30p]

trying to looksmax without surgerys is cope boyo

 

[gaysigmamax]

DISCLAIMER: I'm not trying to judge anyone here, but I would like you guys to reflect on a few things. You are free to criticize me if you disagree.

Roids, surgery, implants, injections... These are the most popular and advocated for interventions in this forum. But I feel like the only good use these things have is coping. The reality is that before you can get surgery or implants or whatever other bullshit you think you need you are gonna have to wait for years. Getting the money, booking, scheduling and recovery, and that's assuming things don't go wrong.

If you feel like you need any of these procedures done you probably think you are ugly or you aren't having much success in your social life. Knowing that these procedures exist keeps you going though, because while you think your life sucks now, since these things exist you believe that's it's only a matter of time before you'll be able to live a fulfilling life. This is called delusion. You are denying your current reality and attaching value only to your future self.

The problem with this mindset which I think is common to 99% of the users of this forum is that it is inevitable that your efforts will decrease. Everything you do will seem worthless in comparison to the expectations you have for your future procedures. You won't try as hard because in the back of your mind there will always the the thought that one day everything will be corrected by those interventions.

If these procedures did not exist you would try 200% harder than you are right now. That is an undeniable truth. But reality isn't much different. You think that these interventions are gonna fix your problems but they are not. They are just slowing you down.

If you would like to read more about this I made 2 threads specifically about surgery and also injection/implants explaining why they should be avoided most of the time.

Surgery

Implants,fat grafts etc...

DISCLAIMER: I'm not trying to judge anyone here, but I would like you guys to reflect on a few things. You are free to criticize me if you disagree.

Roids, surgery, implants, injections... These are the most popular and advocated for interventions in this forum. But I feel like the only good use these things have is coping. The reality is that before you can get surgery or implants or whatever other bullshit you think you need you are gonna have to wait for years. Getting the money, booking, scheduling and recovery, and that's assuming things don't go wrong.

If you feel like you need any of these procedures done you probably think you are ugly or you aren't having much success in your social life. Knowing that these procedures exist keeps you going though, because while you think your life sucks now, since these things exist you believe that's it's only a matter of time before you'll be able to live a fulfilling life. This is called delusion. You are denying your current reality and attaching value only to your future self.

The problem with this mindset which I think is common to 99% of the users of this forum is that it is inevitable that your efforts will decrease. Everything you do will seem worthless in comparison to the expectations you have for your future procedures. You won't try as hard because in the back of your mind there will always the the thought that one day everything will be corrected by those interventions.

If these procedures did not exist you would try 200% harder than you are right now. That is an undeniable truth. But reality isn't much different. You think that these interventions are gonna fix your problems but they are not. They are just slowing you down.

If you would like to read more about this I made 2 threads specifically about surgery and also injection/implants explaining why they should be avoided most of the time.

Surgery

Implants,fat grafts etc...

If these procedures did not exist you would try 200% harder than you are right now.

Absolutely not, the existence of these procedures and the hope they give people is one of the main reasons they continiue the struggle, if they didn't exist, people would LDAR much more often.

 

[Peco]

trying to looksmax without surgerys is cope boyo

Back your claims with some arguments, if you just say I'm wrong it does not help in any way

 

[Y30p]

Back your claims with some arguments, if you just say I'm wrong it does not help in any way

i dont get what ur trying to say, u cant acend to chad if u try hard enough.

 

[Peco]

Absolutely not, the existence of these procedures and the hope they give people is only of the main reasons they continiue the struggle, if they didn't exist, people would LDAR much more often.

I'm not sure how any of these procedures make you not rot. You aren't actively doing anything in any of them. You just wait for your appointment to be booked and give all your hopes in the hand of a surgeon.

 

[Peco]

i dont get what ur trying to say, u cant acend to chad if u try hard enough.

I'm telling you that you aren't ascending with surgeries either

 

[avgsub5human]

If you feel like you need any of these procedures done you probably think you are ugly or you aren't having much success in your social life. Knowing that these procedures exist keeps you going though, because while you think your life sucks now, since these things exist you believe that's it's only a matter of time before you'll be able to live a fulfilling life. This is called delusion. You are denying your current reality and attaching value only to your future self.

somewhat true, if you have this doomer mindset and lean back and have all ur hopes in hardmaxxes youre kinda fucked (some do very much need them but i would say its not that many that are born as reddit mod builds)

 

[Y30p]

I'm telling you that you aren't ascending with surgeries either

nigga what? are u just denying the truth or what?

 

[gaysigmamax]

I'm not sure how any of these procedures make you not rot. You aren't actively doing anything in any of these procedures. You just wait for your appointment to be booked and give all your hopes in the hand of a surgeon.

son u didn't get it, the reason some people here keep grinding(going to work, making money) is simply to get surgery with the hopes that it will change their life, often times this is delusion, but the claim that people would try harder if surgery did't exist is false.

 

[sonic55555]

roids can ascend you a good 1-2 points, 3 points even if you have a blessed frame and genetics. Obviously we are talking about years of roiding, not a 16 year old blasting tren for 2 months, that shit barely does nothing

 

[Peco]

nigga what? are u just denying the truth or what?

What truth ? I wrote 2 threads explaining why it won't ascend you. All you are doing here is saying stuff you have been brainwashed by without backing your claims with a single argument. Some of you guys have been absorbed by the looksmaxxing hive mind and cannot think indipendently.

 

[gaysigmamax]

somewhat true, if you have this doomer mindset and lean back and have all ur hopes in hardmaxxes youre kinda fucked (some do very much need them but i would say its not that many that are born as reddit mod builds)

I think the best mindset to have is to be delusionally optimistic, even knowing that looks are important, you choose to ignore that fact and cope with whatever methods you have, eg gymrotting, long work hours, geomaxxing. Poeple think looksmaxxing is just a way to improve looks, but often it gives people hope in spite of a dark future. However, most people are subhuman enough to fully have their life ruined.

 

[Peco]

son u didn't get it, the reason some people here keep grinding(going to work, making money) is simply to get surgery with the hopes that it will change their life, often times this is delusion, but the claim that people would try harder if surgery did't exist is false.

Again you are describing delusion here. People would definitely try much harder if surgeries didn't exist. All the natural methods that work are very much disregarded by people because they seem worthless in comparison to these procedures. I saw a post from a dude on here who had fat grafting and he looked like a sleep deprived scrawny dude who had never seen the light of the sun. People would focus on improving their function and health much more if they couldn't cope with this bullshit

 

[Y30p]

What truth ? I wrote 2 threads explaining why it won't ascend you. All you are doing here is saying stuff you have been brainwashed by without backing your claims with a single argument. Some of you guys have been absorbed by the looksmaxxing hive mind and cannot think indipendently.

take a look at a few hardmaxx transformations and tell me they arent ascensions jfl

 

[Peco]

take a look at a few hardmaxx transformations and tell me they arent ascensions jfl

Tell me one that you think is really good

 

[avgsub5human]

I think the best mindset to have is to be delusionally optimistic, even knowing that looks are important, you choose to ignore that fact and cope with whatever methods you have, eg gymrotting, long work hours, geomaxxing

yes exactly, being abit delusional will go a long way since you take urself away from the doomer mindset looksmaxxing and the BlAcKpIlL should be something of use not something that ruins ur life, even though its a sad reality you should do your best to improve all areas that you CAN improve, and those u cannot you shouldnt cry about too much since its out of ur control

 

[gaysigmamax]

Again you are describing delusion here. People would definitely try much harder if surgeries didn't exist. All the natural methods that work are very much disregarded by people because they seem worthless in comparison to these procedures. I saw a post from a dude on here who had fat grafting and he looked like a sleep deprived scrawny dude who had never seen the light of the sun. People would focus on improving their function and health much more if they couldn't cope with these bullshit

Ur gonna say this is a bad argument, but all I have to say in response to this is: "tell that to the 5'2 indian janitor"

 

[Peco]

take a look at a few hardmaxx transformations and tell me they arent ascensions jfl

Also mate for every good surgery there are 10 botch jobs

 

[Y30p]

Tell me one that you think is really good

this guys living a different life

 

[Peco]

Ur gonna say this is a bad argument, but all I have to say in response to this is: "tell that to the 5'2 indian janitor"

Yeah bro but you gotta be realistic, most people here are not 5'2 indian janitors. Most people here are teens or people in their early 20s

 

[gaysigmamax]

Yeah bro but you gotta be realistic, most people here are not 5'2 indian janitors. Most people here are teens or people in their early 20s

what abt people that are nd? theres quite a few of them here. Just being htn isn't enough, they have to go above and beyond.

 

[Peco]

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this guys living a different life

I mean let's avoid for a second the fact that this is likely edited and that it probably looks uncanny in motion. The guy already looked good in the before picture. This is not adressing my argument which is aimed towards unattractive people

 

[Y30p]

I mean let's avoid for a second the fact that this is likely edited and that it probably looks uncanny in motion. The guy already looked good in the before picture. This is not adressing my argument which is aimed towards unattractive people

want me to find another example?

 

[Peco]

what abt people that are nd? theres quite a few of them here. Just being htn isn't enough, they have to go above and beyond.

Wtf bullshit is this. No they don't. If they are htn and aren't happy they should focus on mental health not looks

 

[Peco]

want me to find another example?

You can provide another one sure. It doesn't really help the conversation though, I can provide a botch job for every good result you find. Using anectodal evidence is not very useful, you'd have a better chance with some arguments

 

[timfa]

DISCLAIMER: I'm not trying to judge anyone here, but I would like you guys to reflect on a few things. You are free to criticize me if you disagree.

Roids, surgery, implants, injections... These are the most popular and advocated for interventions in this forum. But I feel like the only good use these things have is coping. The reality is that before you can get surgery or implants or whatever other bullshit you think you need you are gonna have to wait for years. Getting the money, booking, scheduling and recovery, and that's assuming things don't go wrong.

If you feel like you need any of these procedures done you probably think you are ugly or you aren't having much success in your social life. Knowing that these procedures exist keeps you going though, because while you think your life sucks now, since these things exist you believe that's it's only a matter of time before you'll be able to live a fulfilling life. This is called delusion. You are denying your current reality and attaching value only to your future self.

The problem with this mindset which I think is common to 99% of the users of this forum is that it is inevitable that your efforts will decrease. Everything you do will seem worthless in comparison to the expectations you have for your future procedures. You won't try as hard because in the back of your mind there will always the the thought that one day everything will be corrected by those interventions.

If these procedures did not exist you would try 200% harder than you are right now. That is an undeniable truth. But reality isn't much different. You think that these interventions are gonna fix your problems but they are not. They are just slowing you down.

If you would like to read more about this I made 2 threads specifically about surgery and also injection/implants explaining why they should be avoided most of the time.

Surgery

Implants,fat grafts etc...

I agree that a lot of the people here are delusional and I know I was just like that. I used to have a shitty day and think “it’s okay after *insert random hardmax or soft max* I’ll be alright” and I’d put all my trust into myself into the future “I’m not gonna sleep I’m running gh in a year anyway” and I see this a lot w ppl here.

 

[Peco]

I agree that a lot of the people here are delusional and I know I was just like that. I used to have a shitty day and think “it’s okay after *insert random hardmax or soft max* I’ll be alright” and I’d put all my trust into myself into the future “I’m not gonna sleep I’m running gh in a year anyway” and I see this a lot w ppl here.

Exactly that's what I'm saying. This mindset is only gonna harm you

 

[timfa]

Wtf bullshit is this. No they don't. If they are htn and aren't happy they should focus on mental health not looks

They should focus on both

 

[timfa]

Exactly that's what I'm saying. This mindset is only gonna harm you

I don’t think it’s only gonna harm you, I payed attention that after I stopped thinking like that I stopped having as much motivation to improve. Js balance shit out you can’t think in extremes all the time. Trust your future self but don’t make your future self your safety net

 

[gaysigmamax]

Wtf bullshit is this. No they don't. If they are htn and aren't happy they should focus on mental health not looks

mental health, so what your saying is that they should LDAR, fair enough. If you actually think a htn nd person will live a life as good as an nt ltn then you have some reflection to do.

 

[Peco]

mental health, so what your saying is that they should LDAR, fair enough. If you actually think a htn nd person will live a life as good as an nt ltn then you have some reflection to do.

Do not twist my arguments to make them easier to attack. What Im saying is that if you are already above average looking and you aren't happy, coping with surgery is not gonna help you. I never said you should stop working on yourself. If you are actually good looking but the only way for you to keep going is what I described, you should probably get your mental health checked.

 

[speak]

Idiot surgery’s are cheap if you have 2 brain cells

 

[gaysigmamax]

check my latest post

 

[6'4 MTN]

DISCLAIMER: I'm not trying to judge anyone here, but I would like you guys to reflect on a few things. You are free to criticize me if you disagree.

Roids, surgery, implants, injections... These are the most popular and advocated for interventions in this forum. But I feel like the only good use these things have is coping. The reality is that before you can get surgery or implants or whatever other bullshit you think you need you are gonna have to wait for years. Getting the money, booking, scheduling and recovery, and that's assuming things don't go wrong.

If you feel like you need any of these procedures done you probably think you are ugly or you aren't having much success in your social life. Knowing that these procedures exist keeps you going though, because while you think your life sucks now, since these things exist you believe that's it's only a matter of time before you'll be able to live a fulfilling life. This is called delusion. You are denying your current reality and attaching value only to your future self.

The problem with this mindset which I think is common to 99% of the users of this forum is that it is inevitable that your efforts will decrease. Everything you do will seem worthless in comparison to the expectations you have for your future procedures. You won't try as hard because in the back of your mind there will always the the thought that one day everything will be corrected by those interventions.

If these procedures did not exist you would try 200% harder than you are right now. That is an undeniable truth. But reality isn't much different. You think that these interventions are gonna fix your problems but they are not. They are just slowing you down.

If you would like to read more about this I made 2 threads specifically about surgery and also injection/implants explaining why they should be avoided most of the time.

Surgery

Implants,fat grafts etc...

i agree and disagree with some things you wrote, yes surgery, roids and different things will fix most people's problems it doesn't mean that u have to drop everything else just to focus on that. what i disagree with is that people will not try their hardest just because they "hope" that the procedures will save them, imo and in my personal experience i have tried my hardest ever since i discovered LM and i will keep on trying my hardest even if i eventually get a plastic surgery.