5 Heavyweight Boxers who would beat Muhammad Ali

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Lennox Lewis
Tyson Fury
Mike Tyson
Klitschko Brothers

Also I believe
Holyfield would win
Prime Larry Holmes would win


I even say Ken Norton would beat Muhammad Ali in fair circumstances (he did)

2/3 of fights he won and one fight Muhammad Ali barely won if anything it was a draw

The 4th fight Muhammad Ali ducked and had to cry for George Foreman

 

[Veganist]

Are people saying ali is the greatest in terms of boxing skills or overall charisma and impact on the sport?

Every hw in the top 10 nowadays would demolish Ali it wouldn't be close.

 

[_MVP_]

I heard he had 68 iq.

Edit it was 78

 

[Gargantuan]

Maybe. When people say Ali is overrated, they usually use this argument of how many of the more modern heavyweights would have beaten him but you can only fight those fought in your era at the end of the day so it's purely speculative.

Ali may well lose to all of these guys you mentioned, but his legacy far supersedes what most of these guys you mentioned did in their careers.

Ali beat Sonny Liston when Liston was a dominant (undisputed) champion who was feared by everyone and Ali beat him convincingly.
He also fought a prime Foreman (historic puncher) who was even more feared than Liston was and Foreman had previously destroyed a Hall of Famer in Joe Frazier, Ali beat him convincingly as well.

I'd probably give Lennox Lewis the best chance of beating Ali.

 

[Deleted member 16984]

most people don't know shit about boxing

 

[RetardSubhuman]

Logan paul

 

[Gargantuan]

Also, what would make these guys favourites over Ali in your eyes in a potential matchup?

Is it size? Holyfield and more recently Usyk disproved the notion that you need to be 6'6, 250 lbs and whatnot to compete with the best heavyweights in this day and age.

 

[elld101]

Are people saying ali is the greatest in terms of boxing skills or overall charisma and impact on the sport?

Every hw in the top 10 nowadays would demolish Ali it wouldn't be close.

This is true.

Even Tyson said boxers nowadays are getting bigger and heavier. Sport science has progressed a lot since the 60s and so has accessibility to information and resources. It's unfair to compare Ali to heavyweights nowadays.

But one thing is for sure, boxing wouldn't have been as popular without Ali. He inspired many heavyweights themselves.

It's like saying Aristotle is dumber than Isaac Newton JFL.

 

[Account]

Also, what would make these guys favourites over Ali in your eyes in a potential matchup?

Is it size? Holyfield and more recently Usyk disproved the notion that you need to be 6'6, 250 lbs and whatnot to compete with the best heavyweights in this day and age.

Muhammad Ali has an overrated defense. His "defense" is him taking punishment which is why he had parkinsons

Muhammad Ali does not generate a lot of power to harm the huge heavyweights now

Muhammad Ali relies on speed and skill but then comes in 10-20lbs overweight in many of his fights (6ft3 210lbs is his peak)

I do not think Ali has the power to hurt the Klitschko brothers. They are both skilled themselves and much bigger in size so I also do not believe Ali would out box them

I do not think a prime Ali (6ft3 210lbs) would be able to cope with Furys size and style of fighting

Mike Tyson would be a problem because Ali had trouble coping with Norton and robbed him in the 3rd and then ducked him.

Lennox Lewis is obvious

And I do believe Larry Holmes could beat Muhammad Ali but I could see Ali winning that if he was in peak shape and boxed a perfect fight. Holyfield is a roidhead and not a natural heavyweight but he has tremendous skill and later strength and size thanks to roids so I believe he would beat him on points

 

[Chinacurry]

Lewis, Tyson I agree.

vitali and wlad would be close, it would go to the judges.

Tyson fury I am unsure, he is an incredible boxer, but alis footwork, hand speed, and evasiveness is like nothing he has faced. fury prob just edges it.

holyfield.unsure again, too small, but great technician and remember he struggled against Bowe who was a much slower, similar combinations, puncher to Ali.

Holmes was.basically a more refined, less.slipery Ali, him and Ali is too close to call

 

[Gargantuan]

Muhammad Ali does not generate a lot of power to harm the huge heavyweights now

It's heavyweight boxing, 1 punch can change everything. If a 200+ lbs man hits you flush on the chin, you're going down or at least get hurt.

Muhammad Ali relies on speed and skill but then comes in 10-20lbs overweight in many of his fights (6ft3 210lbs is his peak)

Usyk, Tyson, Holyfield are barely bigger than Ali and have stopped/beaten many big men.

I do not think Ali has the power to hurt the Klitschko brothers. They are both skilled themselves and much bigger in size so I also do not believe Ali would out box them

Vitali I agree with but Wladimir had a poor chin that Ali could definitely get to/expose. Usyk gave him the business in sparring too.

do not think a prime Ali (6ft3 210lbs) would be able to cope with Furys size and style of fighting

Fury struggles the most with small, mobile fighters. Go and watch Fury vs Cunningham he gave Fury all sorts of trouble with his speed and movement.
Fury might beat Usyk but he is going to look clumsy in there when they fight because of how good of a mover Uysk is. Ali was of the same mould.

Mike Tyson would be a problem because Ali had trouble coping with Norton and robbed him in the 3rd and then ducked him.

Tyson wins if he can get to Ali early on but the longer it goes the momentum will swing in favour of Ali.

 

[Account]

It's heavyweight boxing, 1 punch can change everything. If a 200+ lbs man hits you flush on the chin, you're going down or at least get hurt.

Usyk, Tyson, Holyfield are barely bigger than Ali and have stopped/beaten many big men.

Vitali I agree with but Wladimir had a poor chin that Ali could definitely get to/expose. Usyk gave him the business in sparring too.

Fury struggles the most with small, mobile fighters. Go and watch Fury vs Cunningham he gave Fury all sorts of trouble with his speed and movement.
Fury might beat Usyk but he is going to look clumsy in there when they fight because of how good of a mover Uysk is. Ali was of the same mould.

Tyson wins if he can get to Ali early on but the longer it goes the momentum will swing in favour of Ali.

I do respect your opinion on this subject

 

[Chadethnic101]

Lewis, Tyson I agree.

vitali and wlad would be close, it would go to the judges.

Tyson fury I am unsure, he is an incredible boxer, but alis footwork, hand speed, and evasiveness is like nothing he has faced. fury prob just edges it.

holyfield.unsure again, too small, but great technician and remember he struggled against Bowe who was a much slower, similar combinations, puncher to Ali.

Holmes was.basically a more refined, less.slipery Ali, him and Ali is too close to call

I do think Vladimir and vitali catch Ali, coz the two brothers always clinch and hold putting their body weight on the opponents.
I think this would tire Ali out and the brother hit like fkn shotguns

On a boxing forum.a user said klitschkos right hand sounds like a legit shotgun

 

[Chinacurry]

I do think Vladimir and vitali catch Ali, coz the two brothers always clinch and hold putting their body weight on the opponents.
I think this would tire Ali out and the brother hit like fkn shotguns

On a boxing forum.a user said klitschkos right hand sounds like a legit shotgun

klitschkos were great scientific boxers, and vitali was cut from stone. I kind of think they wont get near Ali to lean in him and he will eventually just pick them off ad judges might favour him

 

[Chadethnic101]

klitschkos were great scientific boxers, and vitali was cut from stone. I kind of think they wont get near Ali to lean in him and he will eventually just pick them off ad judges might favour him

Thoughts on khan in his prime vs Mayweather?

 

[Chinacurry]

Thoughts on khan in his prime vs Mayweather?

not a chance bhai.

Khan has fastest hands I ever seen, but Mayweather has beaten fast hands before, plus khan was always giga low ring IQ.

only twice seen Mayweather in fights u can argue he lost, that was prime de la hoya and prime Castillo and Khan nowhere near their league

 

[Chadethnic101]

not a chance bhai.

Khan has fastest hands I ever seen, but Mayweather has beaten fast hands before, plus khan was always giga low ring IQ.

only twice seen Mayweather in fights u can argue he lost, that was prime de la hoya and prime Castillo and Khan nowhere near their league

U don't think Khan starting fast early going for it could really damage Floyd early maybe even drop him? Floyd starts slow figuring out his opponent Khan would try not let him first anyway.
I don't think Floyd's beaten anyone with the speed of Khan tho has he?

Although i agree khan would start well then floyd would start to figure him out and catch him and beat him on points, esp due to khan's low ring iq

Wouldve been a good fight to watch I don't think anyone would get dropped, although maybe at the start khan could overwhelm and maybe drop Floyd but lose still

 

[Chinacurry]

Khan wont land a single significant punch in any round.

Khan combinations and angles are shit.

only reason Khan was arguably top 5 in his prime is his insane hand speed.

Floyd's not fought that fast hand speed, but zab judah and pacman had incredibly fast hands, especially when throwing power punches, and much faster feet than Khan, so overall 'faster' than Khan and floyd dealt with them easily.

TMT is an all time top 10 p4p fighter, Khan at his prime, for about a year, was a top 5 lightweight

 

[Deleted member 19610]

During his prime from 64-67 he was unbeatable in my opinion. Just too much speed and coordination. It's brutal to miss out on seeing that kind of talent reigning over the division and instead having to watch people like Joe Joyce, who looks like he is moving under water.

 

[Cali Yuga]

Ali wasnt even that good he just had S T Y L E