After some careful consideration, I have come to the conclusion that Wheat Waffles might.....

[MakinItHappenReturn]

So I'd been really confused in my head about seeing Wheat Waffles in his little video he put out yesterday.

At first I thought it was cognitive dissonance because he is ginger and I saw him on the 1stman pod and gingers phenos are always hard to overcome and on the 1stman pod he did appear to be pretty average looking. I just couldn't wrap my head around how this guy had managed to upgrade himself by an entire point with his selfie pictures, when 1stman spends filthy expensive camera equipment.

Then something struck me and it was this one of him with an ex bird, taking a selfie after they'd shagged and it just looked really suspicious to me that his face muscles were able to pull such a magnificent smile after sex, almost like he was fresh and hadn't even gone one round.

Then I realised. Look how white his teeth are.....

So I was thinking this man has an insanely good palate and this just proves how important palate is and you better bet MSE is the most optimum looksmax for any general normie looking dude that is looking to looksmax, on average. But I was like..........

Howcomes the palate doesn't strike out the same way here.....

Is it the angle? The lighting? What?


Then I went back to the pictures and focused exclusively on the teeth and.......

Bobs your uncle.....

He has not only whitened them with extreme artificial photo-editing, but he has widened his palate and this theme is consistent throughout all his pictures...

And I was like how has this man done that? So it took me back to the 2020 pandemic, you know when I first found PSL and was getting into the whole looksmaxxing culture and I recall FaceApp and how it can not only make your face better looking with various optimised filters using an algorithm, but there is also an option to widen your palate WITH whitened teeth:








































And here we have it:

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

@Seth Walsh @StrangerDanger @Kingkellz @forevergymcelling @6ft4

Tagging the high level of awareness users of course.......

 

[Deleted member 21863]

knew WW was a shady guy from day one, he's not even 5'10 like he claims, he gets dwarfed by 5'8-5'9 Boris Johnson wax statue

he has ZERO credibility at this point not to mention his inferior ability at rating

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

Focus on the blur in the colour

 

[Deleted member 13787]

still slays more than u tho?

 

[House Lannister]

Niko pilled again

 

[Deleted member 21628]

who gives a shit about teeth

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

still slays more than u tho?

Uuumm? Dude I'm 30 and so by virtue of that I have a higher body count, but I don't think that's the point.

I said he was good looking when I first saw these photographs yesterday, but you have to call a spade a spade and we can see he's frauded for his YouTube channel.

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

who gives a shit about teeth

Bro he's widened the palate as well and given his skin a better complexion. This is obvious.

 

[StrangerDanger]

Fuck these frauders

 

[Deleted member 21863]

still slays more than u tho?

seems like a permavirgin in the video
got threw out by the girl's mother, muhh i really like your piano

 

[Deleted member 21863]

who gives a shit about teeth

Frauding isn't a good look for someone who runs a channel on blackpill and rating people.

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

knew WW was a shady guy from day one, he's not even 5'10 like he claims, he gets dwarfed by 5'8-5'9 Boris Johnson wax statue

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he has ZERO credibility at this point not to mention his inferior ability at rating

OHHHHH MYYYYY GAAAAAWDDD!

WHAT THE FUCK! OH FUCKING YEAH!

Wait, were they not on a platform though?

 

[LooksOrDeath]

Then I went back to the pictures and focused exclusively on the teeth and.......

Bobs your uncle.....

Tell me you're British without telling me you're British

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

Wheat if you're reading this, I ain't hating on you bro

But cmon now lol

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

Tell me you're British without telling me you're British

Tell me you're an autist without telling me you're an autist

I'm joking!

 

[Seth Walsh]

So I'd been really confused in my head about seeing Wheat Waffles in his little video he put out yesterday.

At first I thought it was cognitive dissonance because he is ginger and I saw him on the 1stman pod and gingers phenos are always hard to overcome and on the 1stman pod he did appear to be pretty average looking. I just couldn't wrap my head around how this guy had managed to upgrade himself by an entire point with his selfie pictures, when 1stman spends filthy expensive camera equipment.

View attachment 1870191


Then something struck me and it was this one of him with an ex bird, taking a selfie after they'd shagged and it just looked really suspicious to me that his face muscles were able to pull such a magnificent smile after sex, almost like he was fresh and hadn't even gone one round.

Then I realised. Look how white his teeth are.....

View attachment 1870192


So I was thinking this man has an insanely good palate and this just proves how important palate is and you better bet MSE is the most optimum looksmax for any general normie looking dude that is looking to looksmax, on average. But I was like..........

Howcomes the palate doesn't strike out the same way here.....

View attachment 1870200


Is it the angle? The lighting? What?


Then I went back to the pictures and focused exclusively on the teeth and.......

Bobs your uncle.....

View attachment 1870204

He has not only whitened them with extreme artificial photo-editing, but he has widened his palate and this theme is consistent throughout all the pictures...

And I was like how has this man done that? So it took me back to the 2020 pandemic, you know when I first found PSL and was getting into the whole looksmaxxing culture and I recall FaceApp and how it can not only make your face better looking with various optimised filters using an algorithm, but there is also an option to widen your palate WITH whitened teeth:








































And here we have it:

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Yep he did this also hired a low-tier British slag hooker to put his arm around her on a fake bed both standing in front of a mattress pushed up against the wall while faceapping himself.

I HATE Wheat because I know just how much of a scammer he is. You just don't face app your pics after a ONS or with your GF. WW is the ultimate con artist he had all this planned.

And @MakinItHappenReturn you are spot on. He used face app for all these pics, from what I can see. He just did.


Wheat Waffles don't let me destroy you like I did with Alex playingwithfire. Two scammers but one pretends to use blackpill to farm and scam normies, actual piece of shit. I want to find him in person so I can mog him with my mere presence and leave him with none of his dignity left. Scammermaxxing piece of shit. Don't let me remind people what happened with him and that channel "SMV" back in early 2021. Or when he went on FaceandLMS' Stream 19th Oct 2020 (as a virgin), talking about the dating market in TRIBES IN THE CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC. I've been saying this since before he even made his channel. HE WANTS TO SCAM MONEY, that's it.

 

[LooksOrDeath]

Tell me you're an autist without telling me you're an autist

View attachment 1870220

I'm joking!

PSL aspies told me after i added this avi that it was a model

Also I'm not taking cheek from a nigga with a pajeet eye as his avi

 

[Seth Walsh]

Wheat if you're reading this, I ain't hating on you bro

But cmon now lol

I've been hating. He's a piece of shit man.

 

[Seth Walsh]

@MakinItHappenReturn I have ulterior motives to hate WW. But if you look at the pics and don't think they're photoshopped then just lmao. It's the same trademark (wide+white smile) faceapp template smile in all the pics. We have 3 hours of him in motion with 1stman. His palate isn't that wide.

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

@MakinItHappenReturn I have ulterior motives to hate WW. But if you look at the pics and don't think they're photoshopped then just lmao. It's the same trademark (wide+white smile) faceapp template smile in all the pics. We have 3 hours of him in motion with 1stman. His palate isn't that wide.

Exactly. It's madness that none of these normies have called it out, as you've gotta imagine some of them have used the App.

I can kind of understand it, as he'd have received hate otherwise. Leads me to believing he might also have overrated his exes with those archetype examples.

 

[Seth Walsh]

Exactly. It's madness that none of these normies have called it out, as you've gotta imagine some of them have used the App.

I can kind of understand it, as he'd have received hate otherwise. Leads me to believing he might also have overrated his exes with those archetype examples.

Speaking about grifters and scammers. If you think I've done well deconstructing Jacked & Stacked and 1stman, or even Wheat and Playingwithfire. I've so much ammo on Kevin Ray Wilder it'll actually legitimately shock people how much of a fraud he is. But all the proof will stay in the vault. I'll just let all these grifters self destruct.


Whatever this is should be interesting

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

Speaking about grifters and scammers. If you think I've done well deconstructing Jacked & Stacked and 1stman, or even Wheat and Playingwithfire. I've so much ammo on Kevin Ray Wilder it'll actually legitimately shock people how much of a fraud he is. But all the proof will stay in the vault. I'll just let all these grifters self destruct.

I am gonna have to ask you to PM that to me. I shall keep it under-wraps don't worry.

 

[Deleted member 14693]

knew WW was a shady guy from day one, he's not even 5'10 like he claims, he gets dwarfed by 5'8-5'9 Boris Johnson wax statue

View attachment 1870213

he has ZERO credibility at this point not to mention his inferior ability at rating

To be fair he doesn't get "dwarfed" he leans to a side a bit, if he would stand up straight he would prob be 1 inch taller.

 

[Coompill]

So I'd been really confused in my head about seeing Wheat Waffles in his little video he put out yesterday.

At first I thought it was cognitive dissonance because he is ginger and I saw him on the 1stman pod and gingers phenos are always hard to overcome and on the 1stman pod he did appear to be pretty average looking. I just couldn't wrap my head around how this guy had managed to upgrade himself by an entire point with his selfie pictures, when 1stman spends filthy expensive camera equipment.

View attachment 1870191


Then something struck me and it was this one of him with an ex bird, taking a selfie after they'd shagged and it just looked really suspicious to me that his face muscles were able to pull such a magnificent smile after sex, almost like he was fresh and hadn't even gone one round.

Then I realised. Look how white his teeth are.....

View attachment 1870192


So I was thinking this man has an insanely good palate and this just proves how important palate is and you better bet MSE is the most optimum looksmax for any general normie looking dude that is looking to looksmax, on average. But I was like..........

Howcomes the palate doesn't strike out the same way here.....

View attachment 1870200


Is it the angle? The lighting? What?


Then I went back to the pictures and focused exclusively on the teeth and.......

Bobs your uncle.....

View attachment 1870204

He has not only whitened them with extreme artificial photo-editing, but he has widened his palate and this theme is consistent throughout all his pictures...

And I was like how has this man done that? So it took me back to the 2020 pandemic, you know when I first found PSL and was getting into the whole looksmaxxing culture and I recall FaceApp and how it can not only make your face better looking with various optimised filters using an algorithm, but there is also an option to widen your palate WITH whitened teeth:








































And here we have it:

View attachment 1870208



View attachment 1870211

how do you assess how good the palate is. if you mean how it shows on jaw definition/width/growth then its smally affects it. jaw is more of a bone related

 

[Seth Walsh]

I am gonna have to ask you to PM that to me. I shall keep it under-wraps don't worry.

It's so long winded. It's basically the fact he has no receipts, no career, went to SEA for 2 years and failed (hint: his Japanese father unfortunately has micropenis syndrome). He lives with his mom in a trailer house in Texas and is turning 29 in November. Absolutely no career or education, frauds 6'2 (he's 5'11). Claims to have hunter eyes. And endless receipts of him trying to scam people. I'd need to go back through discord to find some of the stuff. I've way more on Kevin than Alex... And I've a lot more than Alex than I posted yday

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

It's so long winded. It's basically the fact he has no receipts, no career, went to SEA for 2 years and failed (hint: his Japanese father unfortunately has micropenis syndrome). He lives with his mom in a trailer house in Texas and is turning 29 in November. Absolutely no career or education, frauds 6'2 (he's 5'11). Claims to have hunter eyes. And endless receipts of him trying to scam people. I'd need to go back through discord to find some of the stuff. I've way more on Kevin than Alex... And I've a lot more than Alex than I posted yday

At this point it seems the only authentic guy is Hamza. No surprise the mother fucker is Indian/Paki.

 

[Pakicel]

knew WW was a shady guy from day one, he's not even 5'10 like he claims, he gets dwarfed by 5'8-5'9 Boris Johnson wax statue

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he has ZERO credibility at this point not to mention his inferior ability at rating

Most here do not measure themselves correctly either. People here claiming six feet are prolly my height.

 

[Seth Walsh]

how do you assess how good the palate is. if you mean how it shows on jaw definition/width/growth then its smally affects it. jaw is more of a bone related

Smile arc and how many teeth show when you smile without there being any gum show. Wide palate is always good. And you can see someone with a narrow or very wide palate very easily even if someone isn't smiling.

@MakinItHappenReturn On a more serious note, I don't think MSE is actually a good procedure aesthetically and I've written some posts on why I think that if you just search back through them.

 

[Seth Walsh]

At this point it seems the only authentic guy is Hamza. No surprise the mother fucker is Indian/Paki.

Yep, Hamza actually practices what he preaches even though he's a filthy scammer!

He's in a different category to the rest of the guys who lie about their lives. Hamza doesn't really lie about his life. He admits he lives at home etc. He even admits he scams people with the phone calls for 1k gbp per hour etc. I think he even made a video called "I'm scamming you".

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

Smile arc and how many teeth show when you smile without there being any gum show. Wide palate is always good. And you can see someone with a narrow or very wide palate very easily even if someone isn't smiling.

@MakinItHappenReturn On a more serious note, I don't think MSE is actually a good procedure aesthetically and I've written some posts on why I think that if you just search back through them.

Pls do link me as mine is may be marginally above average. Or average and they are on my bucket-list of LooksMaxes before I die.

 

[Seth Walsh]

Pls do link me as mine is may be marginally above average. Or average and they are on my bucket-list of LooksMaxes before I die.

Downsides of MSE?

What are the biggest cons besides asymmetry? Best competitor or second options?

looksmax.org

Problem with MSE is it splits and expands the palate too fast. I've compared it to ripping paper and expecting a perfect tear down the middle. MSE just isn't an aesthetic procedure imo.

I think what I advised before is to use orthodontic appliances with split sutures and aim for slow, guided growth over time, which will lead to less asymmetries because MSE will cause asymmetries imo.

Something like SARPE to cut the midpalatal and pterygomaxillary sutures and then using a device like vivos DNA to guide lateral and forward growth over the span of like 3-5 years is much much better for looksmaxing.

I think MSE is wayyy too risky and there's a chance it'll make you look worse, even though it widens the palate. It can create pretty significant asymmetries and even ruin harmony imo.

 

[Oberyn]

Brutal how all mfs edit their pictures these days.

 

[0kami123]

What if he just photoshopped himself into other couples and is actually a gymcel weirdo irl. I never seen this guy with friends irl and he works as a pizza driver.

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

Downsides of MSE?

What are the biggest cons besides asymmetry? Best competitor or second options?

looksmax.org

Problem with MSE is it splits and expands the palate too fast. I've compared it to ripping paper and expecting a perfect tear down the middle. MSE just isn't an aesthetic procedure imo.

I think what I advised before is to use orthodontic appliances with split sutures and aim for slow, guided growth over time, which will lead to less asymmetries because MSE will cause asymmetries imo.

Something like SARPE to cut the midpalatal and pterygomaxillary sutures and then using a device like vivos DNA to guide lateral and forward growth over the span of like 3-5 years is much much better for looksmaxing.

I think MSE is wayyy too risky and there's a chance it'll make you look worse, even though it widens the palate. It can create pretty significant asymmetries and even ruin harmony imo.

Very insightful and will look into it a lot more. Is sarpe do it yourself?

Plenty of other shit I am looking to get before then anyway. I wanna fix my curry eye-orbitals that are so weak that I am getting a bit of a canthal tilt in both eyes. Infra orbital rim implants.

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

What if he just photoshopped himself into other couples and is actually a gymcel weirdo irl. I never seen this guy with friends irl and he works as a pizza driver.

I think these are really girls' he's shagged and my gut is saying he hasn't hired some hooker, but you never know.

I just can't see it. With having 100,000 subs it'd be too easy for someone he knows in the midlands of England to find this content, discover who he is and then act as whistle-blower. (Knowing it's all a larp etc)

 

[Seth Walsh]

Very insightful and will look into it a lot more. Is sarpe do it yourself?

Plenty of other shit I am looking to get before then anyway. I wanna fix my curry eye-orbitals that are so weak that I am getting a bit of a canthal tilt in both eyes. Infra orbital rim implants.

Nope SARPE is a surgery where they drill your sutures open. Bonus is they cut the PM suture so you will be able to get forward growth with ortho appliances thereafter.

SARPE is the most accurate way of completely loosening the sutures rather than MSE which rips the mid-palatal suture and creates asymmetries.

 

[Seth Walsh]

I think these are really girls' he's shagged and my gut is saying he hasn't hired some hooker, but you never know.

I just can't see it. With having 100,000 subs it'd be too easy for someone he knows in the midlands of England to find this content, discover who he is and then act as whistle-blower. (Knowing it's all a larp etc)

I was being facetious saying he hired a hooker with a fake mattress lmao. I was just trying to emphasise how ridiculous he is.

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

Nope SARPE is a surgery where the drill your sutures open. Bonus is the cut the PM suture so you will be able to get forward growth with ortho appliances thereafter.

SARPE is the most accurate way of completely loosening the sutures rather than MSE which rips the mid-palatal suture and creates asymmetries.

I see now. Ok. So it's basically some-part of MSE, but not completely, but with a twist and then also the option to use appliances after

Man, so why is MSE the one that's mainstream then? Is it because it's an all-in one procedure?

Also, I have a slightly bad IPD, do you think that widening my jaw any further, will probably give off the optical illusion that the slightly close-set eyes are even closer?

 

[Deleted member 22126]

OHHHHH MYYYYY GAAAAAWDDD!

WHAT THE FUCK! OH FUCKING YEAH!

Wait, were they not on a platform though?

hes gotta be 5’7

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

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hes gotta be 5’7

CelebsHeight rarely ever get it wrong and are always the closest to accurate you'll find. He's not 5'7. He's just fat and hunched and it creates the illusion of a short man.

 

[The Grinch]

Do you have a job?

 

[Deleted member 22126]

CelebsHeight rarely ever get it wrong and are always the closest to accurate you'll find. He's not 5'7. He's just fat and hunched and it creates the illusion of a short man.

I mean wheat waffles

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

I see now. Ok. So it's basically some-part of MSE, but not completely, but with a twist and then also the option to use appliances after

Man, so why is MSE the one that's mainstream then? Is it because it's an all-in one procedure?

Also, I have a slightly bad IPD, do you think that widening my jaw any further, will probably give off the optical illusion that the slightly close-set eyes are even closer?

View attachment 1870272

That's how wide it is currently btw bro

 

[fruitgunpop]

Downsides of MSE?

What are the biggest cons besides asymmetry? Best competitor or second options?

looksmax.org

Problem with MSE is it splits and expands the palate too fast. I've compared it to ripping paper and expecting a perfect tear down the middle. MSE just isn't an aesthetic procedure imo.

I think what I advised before is to use orthodontic appliances with split sutures and aim for slow, guided growth over time, which will lead to less asymmetries because MSE will cause asymmetries imo.

Something like SARPE to cut the midpalatal and pterygomaxillary sutures and then using a device like vivos DNA to guide lateral and forward growth over the span of like 3-5 years is much much better for looksmaxing.

I think MSE is wayyy too risky and there's a chance it'll make you look worse, even though it widens the palate. It can create pretty significant asymmetries and even ruin harmony imo.

How about SARPE w Power Expander?
3-5 years seems way too long tbh
@NegativeNorwood

 

[Seth Walsh]

I see now. Ok. So it's basically some-part of MSE, but not completely, but with a twist and then also the option to use appliances after

Man, so why is MSE the one that's mainstream then? Is it because it's an all-in one procedure?

Also, I have a slightly bad IPD, do you think that widening my jaw any further, will probably give off the optical illusion that the slightly close-set eyes are even closer?

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MSE is probs more popular because it’s just an appliance. No surgery involved. Also just your upper jaw will get wider, your bigonial width will stay the same

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

MSE is probs more popular because it’s just an appliance. No surgery involved. Also just your upper jaw will get wider, your bigonial width will stay the same

Yeah, yeah, it's maxillary expansion, my bad.

 

[Seth Walsh]

How about SARPE w Power Expander?
3-5 years seems way too long tbh
@NegativeNorwood

3-5 years is what I recommend because slow and guided growth will lead to less asymmetries and a more harmonious, natural result. Vivos DNA just needs to be worn at night. I base everything purely off what will give the best aesthetic result.

SARPE + Power Expander will work but it just won't give the level of results of some type of surgical suture cut + DNA or homeoblock

 

[Seth Walsh]

Yeah, yeah, it's maxillary expansion, my bad.

Also IPD in isolation isn't all it's chalked up to be. Your real focus should be your ES ratio and aiming to get that as close to .45-.47 as possible. Widening your maxilla will typically lower your ES ratio, but I don't think the zygos move too much with maxilloskeletal expansion because they are so resistant.

Your face gets wider though so it's only logical that your zygos will move laterally, just less so, proportionate to your lower maxilla.

Lotta people have been asking if your eyes move with maxilloskeletal expansion and I think they don't. So IPD will stay the exact same with MSE, SARME, SARPE etc.

 

[AlexBrown84]

Your Indian followers begged for you to be unbanned only for you to make garbage shitposts like these