being lean is the most important looksmax

[Deleted member 1140]

water is wet i know

but holy shit even the smallest change in bodyfat % makes a huge difference

i went from 10% to like 14-15% and lost zygos definition and my jawline isnt as good as before and i went from several girl approached a year to barley getting iois nowadays while bulking

 

[Deleted member 4430]

 

[Deleted member 20370]

losing weight is impossible @_MVP_

 

[Nims]

10% to like 14-15% and lost zygos

Do you have any pics of your face at 10% and then at 14-15% that I could see?

 

[Orc]

don't go below 10% though, only homos think having dickskin is attractive.

 

[Nims]

don't go below 10% though, only homos think having dickskin is attractive.

I think 10-12% is ideal tbh any lower and like you said it looks bad skin wise and is a lot of hastle to maintain naturally.

 

[BugeyeBigNoseCurry]

I think 10-12% is ideal tbh any lower and like you said it looks bad skin wise and is a lot of hastle to maintain naturally.

 

[BugeyeBigNoseCurry]

 

[Nims]

That’s massively out of date. Why did you post it?

 

[Deleted member 1140]

Do you have any pics of your face at 10% and then at 14-15% that I could see?

1st pic is low bf
2nd „high“ bf
3rd low bf

 

[Germania]

water is wet i know

but holy shit even the smallest change in bodyfat % makes a huge difference

i went from 10% to like 14-15% and lost zygos definition and my jawline isnt as good as before and i went from several girl approached a year to barley getting iois nowadays while bulking

True, Life begins below 15% bf and gets even better lets say below 13%.

Btw. Ist dein Profilbild in der sächsischen Schweiz?

 

[Deleted member 1140]

True, Life begins below 15% bf and gets even better lets say below 13%.

Btw. Ist dein Profilbild in der sächsischen Schweiz?

nee ist in rheinland pfalz

 

[NegativeNorwood]

100% agree. Vasiliy Stepanov is a great example of it. He is not even obese, must be around 20-25% body fat here, which is a normal body fat %. He's the typical skinny fat dude that normies will go nuts to if he said he needed to lose weight:

And looks like this at 10-12% body fat:

Not even having 1 in 100 million perfect gigachad bones like him can save you from being fat.

 

[JawGuyFatFaceGuy]

100% agree. Vasiliy Stepanov is a great example of it. He is not even obese, must be around 20-25% body fat here, which is a normal body fat %. He's the typical skinny fat dude that normies will go nuts to if he said he needed to lose weight:
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And looks like this at 10-12% body fat:
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Not even having 1 in 100 million perfect gigachad bones like him can save you from being fat.

If thats 20-25% bf Then im 35-40%

 

[NegativeNorwood]

If thats 20-25% bf Then im 35-40%

He's definitely around that body fat %, he is 6'4 and has made in a lab tier bone development, so it looks less fat on him. Being fat (even 20 pounds overweight) looks even worse on people with not as well developed bones and worse fat storage genetics than him (which is literally almost everyone else).

 

[Orc]

1st pic is low bf
2nd „high“ bf
3rd low bf

hope you aren't paying for that haircut.

 

[Deleted member 17244]

OP forgot about 3xLL

 

[JawGuyFatFaceGuy]

He's definitely around that body fat %, he is 6'4 and has made in a lab tier bone development, so it looks less fat on him. Being fat (even 10 kilos overweight) looks even worse on people with not as well developed bones and worse fat storage genetics than him (which is literally almost everyone else).

but if you look at his neck it has barely any fat on it he shouldve had some at that bf% i dont think any „chad bones“ can hide them. Hes probably at 18% bf upper pics and like 12% on the bottom pics.

 

[Deleted member 1140]

hope you aren't paying for that haircut.

in germany everyone has fade haircut

but yea i dont rly like it either

 

[Orc]

in germany everyone has fade haircut

but yea i dont rly like it either

wasn't saying it looks bad.

just saying it's extremely easy to cut that yourself with clippers and not worth paying for, you'd save almost 300 euros a year with it considering the prices of barbers now.

 

[NegativeNorwood]

but if you look at his neck it has barely any fat on it he shouldve had some at that bf% i dont think any „chad bones“ can hide them. Hes probably at 18% bf upper pics and like 12% on the bottom pics.

No, he is definitely around 20-25% there. He has superior fat storage genetics in addition to gigachad bones.
This is him lean, 12% body fat in the lean pics is quite generous estimate:

Notice how he looks down and doesn't have a double chin without needing to be Jeff Seid tier shredded, that's what bone mass and top tier fat storage genetics do. And even him looks noticeably worse fat:

 

[Deleted member 21741]

Not even having 1 in 100 million perfect gigachad bones like him can save you from being fat.

True. No man can afford being fat.

 

[Ceo of cope]

100% agree. Vasiliy Stepanov is a great example of it. He is not even obese, must be around 20-25% body fat here, which is a normal body fat %. He's the typical skinny fat dude that normies will go nuts to if he said he needed to lose weight:
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And looks like this at 10-12% body fat:
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Not even having 1 in 100 million perfect gigachad bones like him can save you from being fat.

he is a very interesting case for harmony imo because he is the only white guy i have seen where nigga features look good on him (his nose and lips) well not full on black but not what you expect for a white person either, espec not a model

 

[NegativeNorwood]

he is a very interesting case for harmony imo because he is the only white guy i have seen where nigga features look good on him (his nose and lips) well not full on black but not what you expect for a white person either, espec not a model

I think his cheekbones, jaw and pheno are so good that he looks great despite his nose, lips and even weird hairstyles.

 

[Ceo of cope]

I think his cheekbones, jaw and pheno are so good that he looks great despite his nose, lips and even weird hairstyles.

thing is there are plenty of white guys who mog him hard in bone structure and have similair pheno. He is litterally the ONLY white guy i have seen that reaches chad tier with typical black people lips and nose. I'd even go as far as to say he looks better with them than if he were to have slimmer white features. Certainly makes him standand appart/gives him a unique halo.

 

[Ceo of cope]

Kinda reminds me of the look some semi white passing ethnics have that i knew. Their coloring is close to white but you can still tell their ethnicness because of soft features

 

[Ceo of cope]

water is wet i know

but holy shit even the smallest change in bodyfat % makes a huge difference

i went from 10% to like 14-15% and lost zygos definition and my jawline isnt as good as before and i went from several girl approached a year to barley getting iois nowadays while bulking

what is the difference in weight betweeen these 2 states btw.

 

[NegativeNorwood]

thing is there are plenty of white guys who mog him hard in bone structure and have similair pheno. He is litterally the ONLY white guy i have seen that reaches chad tier with typical black people lips and nose. I'd even go as far as to say he looks better with them than if he were to have slimmer white features. Certainly makes him standand appart/gives him a unique halo.

Nah, his bones are ideal. Some people have too wide or blocky looking skulls, his is perfectly proportional yet very forward grown everywhere. He is russian so that may explain the nose and lips. Paul Walker is a very similar case IMO.

But I also think you have a very valid point, because he would look totally different with a different nose and lips, which may be good on paper but could look worse on him in reality. Facial aesthetics are so complex, one small change can ruin everything

 

[Ceo of cope]

Nah, his bones are ideal. Some people have too wide or blocky looking skulls, his is perfectly proportional yet very forward grown everywhere. He is russian so that may explain the nose and lips. Paul Walker is a very similar case IMO.

But I also think you have a very valid point, because he would look totally different with a different nose and lips, which may be good on paper but could look worse on him in reality. Facial aesthetics are so complex, one small change can ruin everything

agreed with everything. And yeah with mog i didnt mean look better but more like have more bone mass/are more DOM. Hence my suprise at vasily's overal glness.

Also i feel like paul walker, Hexum and Vasily are the same template but walker is the maesthetic, hexum is the DOM and vasily is the prettyboy. This makes sense in my head

 

[NegativeNorwood]

agreed with everything. And yeah with mog i didnt mean look better but more like have more bone mass/are more DOM. Hence my suprise at vasily's overal glness.

Also i feel like paul walker, Hexum and Vasily are the same template but walker is the maesthetic, hexum is the DOM and vasily is the prettyboy. This makes sense in my head

Agree, all of them are very high PSL people that actually appeal to woman. The template comment is quite accurate, fatter Vasiliy looks a lot like the good looking composite image of this study:

PSL debunked - This is the face white women consider ideal and by far the most attractive IRL - Keep coping with your compact midface, wide face

(Skip to characteristics if TLDR) A lot of PSL understanding of what constitutes an attractive face is still heavily flawed. A lot of people still place way too much importance on characteristics such as a wide, square jaw or a wide face in general when in reality people do not consider them...

looksmax.org

I assume fatter Paul Walker and fatter Hexum would also look very similar to that.

 

[Ceo of cope]

Agree, all of them are very high PSL people that actually appeal to woman. The template comment is quite accurate, fatter Vasiliy looks a lot like the good looking composite image of this study:

PSL debunked - This is the face white women consider ideal and by far the most attractive IRL - Keep coping with your compact midface, wide face

(Skip to characteristics if TLDR) A lot of PSL understanding of what constitutes an attractive face is still heavily flawed. A lot of people still place way too much importance on characteristics such as a wide, square jaw or a wide face in general when in reality people do not consider them...

looksmax.org

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I assume fatter Paul Walker and fatter Hexum would also look very similar to that.

i remember seeing that composite years ago when i was a lurkcel. A lot of people said it was a cope and that he would be cucked/wouldnt slay. What do you think?

 

[NegativeNorwood]

i remember seeing that composite years ago when i was a lurkcel. A lot of people said it was a cope and that he would be cucked/wouldnt slay. What do you think?

High trust 20% body fat chadlite that would ascend to gigachad if he loses weight and reaches 12% body fat. Clearly has Vasiliy Stepanov/Paul Walker tier bones underneath that fat and great soft features.
Outslays any blockhead ogre. Literally looks like a better version of Niko in his current fat state.

LOL at the comments calling the composite boneless and saying he wouldn't slay when evidence everywhere clearly shows the opposite.

 

[Phillybeard1996]

High trust 20% body fat chadlite that would ascend to gigachad if he loses weight and reaches 12% body fat. Clearly has Vasiliy Stepanov/Paul Walker tier bones underneath that fat and great soft features.
Outslays any blockhead ogre. Literally looks like a better version of Niko in his current fat state.

LOL at the comments calling the composite boneless and saying he wouldn't slay when evidence everywhere clearly shows the opposite.

Whats better high trust or low trust?

 

[Deleted member 1140]

Whats better high trust or low trust?

both good

low trust = masculinity, so u attract girls who want masc dom guys
high trust = feminity, u attract girls who want feminine guys (which are actually quite many tbh)

 

[Phillybeard1996]

both good

low trust = masculinity, so u attract girls who want masc dom guys
high trust = feminity, u attract girls who want feminine guys (which are actually quite many tbh)

I seen guys who are high trust but look masculine

 

[NegativeNorwood]

Whats better high trust or low trust?

To me, high trust is better than low trust up to a certain degree. LTM and STM would be ideal, DOM looks too low trust and AVM a bit too much like a cuck. Would choose DOM instead of AVM if STM and LTM weren't a possible choice.

 

[Phillybeard1996]

I

To me, high trust is better than low trust up to a certain degree. LTM and STM would be ideal, DOM looks too low trust and AVM a bit too much like a cuck. Would choose DOM instead of AVM if STM and LTM weren't a possible choice.
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get told I'm medium trust but yea very few men look as masculine as the dom morph lol

 

[Phillybeard1996]

To me, high trust is better than low trust up to a certain degree. LTM and STM would be ideal, DOM looks too low trust and AVM a bit too much like a cuck. Would choose DOM instead of AVM if STM and LTM weren't a possible choice.
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Chico is probably ltm

 

[NegativeNorwood]

I

get told I'm medium trust but yea very few men look as masculine as the dom morph lol

Medium trust (STM) is great.
DOM looks too over the top, like Drago.
STM or LTM faces like this are ideal, that's why they get cast in roles like action movie protagonists:

Chico is probably ltm

Yes, Chico is LTM. High trust yet mogger face.

 

[Phillybeard1996]

Medium trust (STM) is great.
DOM looks too over the top, like Drago.
STM or LTM faces like this are ideal, that's why they get cast in roles like action movie protagonists:

Yes, Chico is LTM. High trust yet mogger face.

Would you consider hexum medium trust face?

 

[Featherless Biped]

I think 10-12% is ideal tbh any lower and like you said it looks bad skin wise and is a lot of hastle to maintain naturally.

Jokes on you , my bf % is 4,5 and found out only half a year ago, no effort

 

[Phillybeard1996]

Medium trust (STM) is great.
DOM looks too over the top, like Drago.
STM or LTM faces like this are ideal, that's why they get cast in roles like action movie protagonists:

Yes, Chico is LTM. High trust yet mogger face.

 

[Deleted member 20835]

To me, high trust is better than low trust up to a certain degree. LTM and STM would be ideal, DOM looks too low trust and AVM a bit too much like a cuck. Would choose DOM instead of AVM if STM and LTM weren't a possible choice.
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its funny how DOM's hair looks so much better than AND's hair.

 

[Dodevu]

Clench more geez

Also it’s more than likely to do with eating more carbs and sodium when bulking, if you started eating maintenance your face will lean out.

1st pic is low bf
2nd „high“ bf
3rd low bf

 

[NegativeNorwood]

its funny how DOM's hair looks so much better than AND's hair.

Glorious high T DOM hair vs zoomer gender neutral soy based 0.01 ng/dl t levels AND "hair"

@Phillybeard1996 Yes, Hexum is medium trust, STM.

 

[Deleted member 20835]

Glorious high T DOM hair vs zoomer gender neutral soy based 0.01 ng/dl t levels AND "hair"

@Phillybeard1996 Yes, Hexum is medium trust, STM.

funny how bones can make or break your hair

 

[Deleted member 1140]

old pic, im bigger now

 

[Deleted member 15827]

@Account

 

[Account]

@Account

ramirez would be unknown if he was never lean

he killed 13 which is a lot but a lot of serial killers in usa killed 30+

yet ramirez is more known and popular. wonder why

 

[Nims]

OP forgot about 3xLL

I'll do them after the face because then worst care I am 6ft in a wheelchair with a chad face, which will mog being 6ft in a wheelchair with a mtn-htn face.

ramirez would be unknown if he was never lean

he killed 13 which is a lot but a lot of serial killers in usa killed 30+

yet ramirez is more known and popular. wonder why

What bf do you think ramirez was at?