BIMAX 3 WEEKS POST OP

[Enditnow]

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Spoiler: Lefort, bsso, genio posey

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bruh why im there

 

[normie_joe]

bruh why im there

I didn't want you eating alone bro.

Also I scanned through the names of the previous thread and dumped them.

 

[mrriceguyreturn]

DNR the maxilla is still shit

It’s literally normal/good? His facial depth looks normal/good and so are his facial convexity, total facial convexity angles? The only “sign” of a bad maxilla he has is a sloped philtrum but it doesn’t look bad and bimax doesn’t fix it

 

[normie_joe]

So you can only tag max 6 I believe it’s still a thing

Good to see this ascension OP
Incredible transformation

1. Out of curiosity, is there a reason you didn’t opt for more CCW?
Especially for the lower jaw, but the upper too?

Outside of my control, because the surgeon didn't want to do too much.

My occlusal plane was 11 before, now it's 9 which is supposedly the normal range.

I know Gunson loves to rotate until you have a 4 degree occlusal plane.

You get about 0.5-0.7mm of movement per degree, so from 9 to 4, that would give me about 2-3 mm of more mandibular movement.

It would've been nice to squeeze out all the movement you can, but ultimately if the surgeon doesn't want to do it, it's not like I can force him.

2. Did you notice any paranasal projection?

From the swelling yeah, but once it came down, the nasolabial folds(esp on my right side) looks more or less like pre-op.

3. Could you have gotten more paranasal projection from this surgery?

I don't know dude; I thought I would have a similar effect to this guy

But it wasn't the case.

Maybe it's my zygos projecting laterally causing this? I don't know.

4. Did you notice any upwards rotation of the nose? Why/ why not?

Definitely, my nose got more straighter looking and less downturned. However my nose is 15-20% wider now from the front, which only I notice, but it's bigger.

 

[mvp2v1]

3 weeks Post OP

I said I would get bimax and post no matter how good/shit the result was, so here it is.

Tried to keep angle, lighting consistent as I can.

View attachment 3639282

Movements were lefort 1 5mm, bsso 10mm (8 or 9 on one side, I had asymmetrical lower jaw movements), and a 4mm genio.

I had a bit of CCW.

SNA: 76 -> 85.5
SNB: 72 -> 83

I'm still omega swollen, the side doesn't do justice for how my chipmunky my cheeks look from the front.

There's a lot of shit I want to talk about and the limits of this surgery.

It would take a ton of time to write a comprehensive guide, so I want to see if there's people that want to read it. If everyone would rather read threads on BBC smv to whores from Birmingham on offtopic, I'm not going to bother.

Noteworthy things:

There were as much vertical changes as horizontal, my lower third height looks more proportional.

In certain lighting, I have hollows as the surgery(esp. the bsso) stretched my skin. It almost looks like I'm cheeksucking when I'm not.

The pain I would describe as a more "bludgeoning" type of pain on the sides of my jaw. There's lots of pressure, which is supposedly muscular, so Advil has helped. It's not the post wisdom tooth removal pain where it's sharp and stingy.

I highly recommend getting your wisdom teeth out on a separate day prior to surgery, because dealing with both would be fucking awful.

Morphs are fucking useless, because soft tissue will not contour perfectly like you'd hope. For an example, my chin doesn't have that nice "s" shape.

Mentally it's fucking rough as you are constantly alternating between it looks good to it looks like shit. I suggest finding something to keep your brain occupied that is not the mirror or your phone camera.

The bimax was more or less what's expected from a bimax, but I can't subdue that shitty voice in the back of my head(that's getting louder and louder) whispering, "You spent 4 years of your life rotting away for this?"

Here's the fucking truth guys: I did not have that epiphany as I'd hoped. There's no rays of light or angel hymns. It's just "oh I guess that's that."

I'm fucking behind on school doing a piece of shit computering science degree, and by the time I'll get my first real job, I'll be in my late 20s. No bimax for missing life goals.

"He still has no degree, no job, lives with his parents, has zero college social experience but his jaws look normal, so he's perfect Becky."

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nice improvment and thanks for sharing your thoughts. obviously you went from bad pheno + deformed skull to bad pheno + deformed skull with normal looking lower third. Its foolish to anticipate chad life given the type of changes achievable with lf1 only. Also I can relate to your being behind on life shit, I'm in the same spot, although maybe even worse since I haven't gotten any surgery yet and wont until I'm around 27 . Im doing other stuff to improve looks while in study mode tho, and enjoying as many experiences as a normie such as myself can.

 

[greycel]

Definitely, my nose got more straighter looking and less downturned. However my nose is 15-20% wider now from the front, which only I notice, but it's bigger.

It’s a good trade, you can get a rhino if it bothers you now
Though I thought an alar cinch prevented any significant widening during Bimax

Also the guy you posted had a class III
He likely got A LOT of projection, or maybe could do with a higher cut given he just needs projection (no rotation)

Outside of my control, because the surgeon didn't want to do too much.
My occlusal plane was 11 before, now it's 9 which is supposedly the normal range.
I know Gunson loves to rotate until you have a 4 degree occlusal plane.
You get about 0.5-0.7mm of movement per degree, so from 9 to 4, that would give me about 2-3 mm of more mandibular movement.
It would've been nice to squeeze out all the movement you can, but ultimately if the surgeon doesn't want to do it, it's not like I can force him.

By mandibular movement, do you mean increase in mandibular length of 2-3mm?
In which case, it’s good he didn’t go too overboard considering the importance of mandible:ramus ratio

 

[greycel]

nice improvment and thanks for sharing your thoughts. obviously you went from bad pheno + deformed skull to bad pheno + deformed skull with normal looking lower third. Its foolish to anticipate chad life given the type of changes achievable with lf1 only. Also I can relate to your being behind on life shit, I'm in the same spot, although maybe even worse since I haven't gotten any surgery yet and wont until I'm around 27 . Im doing other stuff to improve looks while in study mode tho, and enjoying as many experiences as a normie such as myself can.

How is that a “normal looking lower third”

It’s Chadlite tier easily for side profile
Also his skull doesn’t look bad/deformed

 

[normie_joe]

nice improvment and thanks for sharing your thoughts. obviously you went from bad pheno + deformed skull to bad pheno + deformed skull with normal looking lower third. Its foolish to anticipate chad life given the type of changes achievable with lf1 only. Also I can relate to your being behind on life shit, I'm in the same spot, although maybe even worse since I haven't gotten any surgery yet and wont until I'm around 27 . Im doing other stuff to improve looks while in study mode tho, and enjoying as many experiences as a normie such as myself can.

If a backhanded compliment ever was a backhanded compliment.

Thanks for the words of encouragement bro; it's good to know my deformed skull is atleast solid in the jaw department.

 

[normie_joe]

It’s a good trade, you can get a rhino if it bothers you now
Though I thought an alar cinch prevented any significant widening during Bimax

Alar cinch mitigates it, but doesn't prevent it.

I mean noses for men is whatever; I'm OK with that side effect.

Also the guy you posted had a class III
He likely got A LOT of projection, or maybe could do with a higher cut given he just needs projection (no rotation)


By mandibular movement, do you mean increase in mandibular length of 2-3mm?
In which case, it’s good he didn’t go too overboard considering the importance of mandible:ramus ratio

Yeah 2-3 mm of mandibular length. I was a bit disappointed by the lack of an aggressive CCW, but I've seen some people's jaw turn into a banana so maybe it was for the best.

 

[aDifferentPerspect]

How much did it cost? Those are good results, don't listen to psl autists

 

[aDifferentPerspect]

In my honest opinion your mandible should even be a little shorter just to make it look more natural

 

[trench]

mirin

good results dont listen to faggots like this

DNR the maxilla is still shit

 

[iblamemandible7]

The haircut I need

 

[rand anon]

'm fucking behind on school doing a piece of shit computering science degree, and by the time I'll get my first real job, I'll be in my late 20s. No bimax for missing life goals.

Lol, ngl that's literally u and me both jfl

absolutely mirin that u hardmaxxed while still in college though, I'm waiting till I grad to get rhino

 

[mvp2v1]

If a backhanded compliment ever was a backhanded compliment.

Thanks for the words of encouragement bro; it's good to know my deformed skull is atleast solid in the jaw department.

I dont mean any negativity, its a solid improvement no doubt. from side profile alone it looks like u went from incel to 5.5/10 smv (based on face alone). So bellow average to above average.

 

[iblamemandible7]

Mirin low inhib tho how bad is the recovery overall 0-10? Thats the part that scares the shit out of me with hardmaxxing

 

[normie_joe]

In my honest opinion your mandible should even be a little shorter just to make it look more natural

Damn shorter?

Bro I'm sitting here a contemplating if I should've gotten my premolars removed for more advancement, and you are saying it should be shorter.

Are you saying the length or the height? If it's the height, then fault lies in the vertical genio.

But that's interesting you think that.

 

[normie_joe]

Mirin low inhib tho how bad is the recovery overall 0-10? Thats the part that scares the shit out of me with hardmaxxing

Week 1 sucked ass, it's drinking liquids out of syringes and waking up(not that you can sleep properly anyways) and taking your pills.

You can't speak, you are swollen and look like shit.

The sides of my jaw hurt, I already said this but it's a very "bludgeoning" type of pain. Advil helped.

But yeah bro it's essentially shitty Campbell soup for me for the next few weeks.

 

[normie_joe]

How much did it cost? Those are good results, don't listen to psl autists

10k cad for braces + 10k cad for surgery.

 

[normie_joe]

mirin

good results dont listen to faggots like this

Brother I saw a nigga write a PhD essay on how Henry Cavil is only htn a while back, so I saw these comments coming from a mile away.

 

[rand anon]

Jaw implants and fillers exist the maxilla should be the first priority

retard

god this site is so fucking unusable now, braindead tiktokers

 

[yex]

3 weeks Post OP

I said I would get bimax and post no matter how good/shit the result was, so here it is.

Tried to keep angle, lighting consistent as I can.

View attachment 3639282

Movements were lefort 1 5mm, bsso 10mm (8 or 9 on one side, I had asymmetrical lower jaw movements), and a 4mm genio.

I had a bit of CCW.

SNA: 76 -> 85.5
SNB: 72 -> 83

I'm still omega swollen, the side doesn't do justice for how my chipmunky my cheeks look from the front.

There's a lot of shit I want to talk about and the limits of this surgery.

It would take a ton of time to write a comprehensive guide, so I want to see if there's people that want to read it. If everyone would rather read threads on BBC smv to whores from Birmingham on offtopic, I'm not going to bother.

Noteworthy things:

There were as much vertical changes as horizontal, my lower third height looks more proportional.

In certain lighting, I have hollows as the surgery(esp. the bsso) stretched my skin. It almost looks like I'm cheeksucking when I'm not.

The pain I would describe as a more "bludgeoning" type of pain on the sides of my jaw. There's lots of pressure, which is supposedly muscular, so Advil has helped. It's not the post wisdom tooth removal pain where it's sharp and stingy.

I highly recommend getting your wisdom teeth out on a separate day prior to surgery, because dealing with both would be fucking awful.

Morphs are fucking useless, because soft tissue will not contour perfectly like you'd hope. For an example, my chin doesn't have that nice "s" shape.

Mentally it's fucking rough as you are constantly alternating between it looks good to it looks like shit. I suggest finding something to keep your brain occupied that is not the mirror or your phone camera.

The bimax was more or less what's expected from a bimax, but I can't subdue that shitty voice in the back of my head(that's getting louder and louder) whispering, "You spent 4 years of your life rotting away for this?"

Here's the fucking truth guys: I did not have that epiphany as I'd hoped. There's no rays of light or angel hymns. It's just "oh I guess that's that."

I'm fucking behind on school doing a piece of shit computering science degree, and by the time I'll get my first real job, I'll be in my late 20s. No bimax for missing life goals.

"He still has no degree, no job, lives with his parents, has zero college social experience but his jaws look normal, so he's perfect Becky."

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Mirin and dw about college and school too much brah it's not too late just start now and ofc you'll get more doors open for you because u have a htn side profile

 

[Eren]

Do you want me to live in a zoo exhibit bro?

Any more lefort advancement and I'll be living with these guys

My SNA is 85.5 when the average person has it at 82. I'm already way past what's standard.

Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

What is SNU?
Raffaini just want to rotate my maxilla but not advance it as he said it would chimpmaxx me, but I’m concerned the results will be underwhelming in that case

But lefort 2 seem too brutal to recover from

 

[yex]

Damm bro ts legit crazy

 

[yex]

Tags above 5 dont work btw it didnt ping me

It pinged me because i was in the first 5 jfl

 

[normie_joe]

What is SNU?
Raffaini just want to rotate my maxilla but not advance it as he said it would chimpmaxx me, but I’m concerned the results will be underwhelming in that case

No listen to him. Too much lefort advancement looks like shit. I would be ecstatic if I was in your situation as I won't be chimpmaxxed.


SNA is essentially the angle that tells you how far or how back your upper jaw is relative to your cranium.

In my case, mine being at 85.5 puts me at borderline protrusive.

 

[lurking truecel]

That's just wrong a projected maxilla is what makes the zygos more defined

You dont understand leforte 1, you cant move it muh forward before you look like a chimp. And also it has to do with teeth protrusion aswell. Go and do your overadvanced bimax and look like a dog and see how many bitches you do be getting after. You are not gonna have barret projected maxilla from leforte 1

 

[lurking truecel]

No listen to him. Too much lefort advancement looks like shit. I would be ecstatic if I was in your situation as I won't be chimpmaxxed.



SNA is essentially the angle that tells you how far or how back your upper jaw is relative to your cranium.

In my case, mine being at 85.5 puts me at borderline protrusive.

People here dont understand bimax whatsover

 

[normie_joe]

People here dont understand bimax whatsover

That dumbass spreading blatant misinformation is going to ruin some greycel's face; lefort is a procedure that should be kept to a minimum.

Hell I would gladly do 3mm instead of 5mm if possible.

 

[lepo2317]

Crazy results, happy for you

 

[lurking truecel]

That dumbass spreading blatant misinformation is going to ruin some greycel's face; lefort is a procedure that should be kept to a minimum.

Hell I would gladly do 3mm instead of 5mm if possible.

I mean the same fag wants leforte 3 hahahahahahahhahahahahahhaha

Btw you had a really good bimax result, this is better bimax result then what most people get on this forum and out of the forum

 

[LEFORT17]

3 weeks Post OP

I said I would get bimax and post no matter how good/shit the result was, so here it is.

Tried to keep angle, lighting consistent as I can.

View attachment 3639282

Movements were lefort 1 5mm, bsso 10mm (8 or 9 on one side, I had asymmetrical lower jaw movements), and a 4mm genio.

I had a bit of CCW.

SNA: 76 -> 85.5
SNB: 72 -> 83

I'm still omega swollen, the side doesn't do justice for how my chipmunky my cheeks look from the front.

There's a lot of shit I want to talk about and the limits of this surgery.

It would take a ton of time to write a comprehensive guide, so I want to see if there's people that want to read it. If everyone would rather read threads on BBC smv to whores from Birmingham on offtopic, I'm not going to bother.

Noteworthy things:

There were as much vertical changes as horizontal, my lower third height looks more proportional.

In certain lighting, I have hollows as the surgery(esp. the bsso) stretched my skin. It almost looks like I'm cheeksucking when I'm not.

The pain I would describe as a more "bludgeoning" type of pain on the sides of my jaw. There's lots of pressure, which is supposedly muscular, so Advil has helped. It's not the post wisdom tooth removal pain where it's sharp and stingy.

I highly recommend getting your wisdom teeth out on a separate day prior to surgery, because dealing with both would be fucking awful.

Morphs are fucking useless, because soft tissue will not contour perfectly like you'd hope. For an example, my chin doesn't have that nice "s" shape.

Mentally it's fucking rough as you are constantly alternating between it looks good to it looks like shit. I suggest finding something to keep your brain occupied that is not the mirror or your phone camera.

The bimax was more or less what's expected from a bimax, but I can't subdue that shitty voice in the back of my head(that's getting louder and louder) whispering, "You spent 4 years of your life rotting away for this?"

Here's the fucking truth guys: I did not have that epiphany as I'd hoped. There's no rays of light or angel hymns. It's just "oh I guess that's that."

I'm fucking behind on school doing a piece of shit computering science degree, and by the time I'll get my first real job, I'll be in my late 20s. No bimax for missing life goals.

"He still has no degree, no job, lives with his parents, has zero college social experience but his jaws look normal, so he's perfect Becky."

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great result bro who was your surgeon

 

[lurking truecel]

What is SNU?
Raffaini just want to rotate my maxilla but not advance it as he said it would chimpmaxx me, but I’m concerned the results will be underwhelming in that case

But lefort 2 seem too brutal to recover from

You also rip your whole forhead off when doing leforte 2 which is kinda bad

 

[moze]

Godhand himself

Pls dont tell me you actually went to him

 

[normie_joe]

great result bro who was your surgeon

Local Canadian surgeon.

 

[normie_joe]

Pls dont tell me you actually went to him

I want to remove that comment, because I'm afraid new users will believe I went to Sunil unironically.

It wasn't Sunil's hand that blessed me bro.

 

[Rabbi]

Mogger results ngl.
Post this on r/mewing pls tell them its from thumbpulling

 

[moze]

I want to remove that comment, because I'm afraid new users will believe I went to Sunil unironically.

It wasn't Sunil's hand that blessed me bro.

Yea i knew it coz the result is too good to be sunil’s

 

[LEFORT17]

Local Canadian surgeon.

he did a great job buddy good luck in life ur set to go

 

[moze]

I dont understand people saying its a bad result.its actually good you did correct amount of advancement and profile looks balanced

 

[Foreverbrad]

Great result, thanks for posting. LTN to HTN based on side. This is an example of a surgery that was absolutely worth doing.

Why did you not have infraorbital implants during the surgery? It seems like a no-brainer to me since they are inserted through the Lefort incision anyway.

Your final comment on the rest of your life being shit is relatable, but to be honest if you’re in your early twenties there is time to catch up if you apply yourself. I wouldn’t rule out having more surgeries done, just always keep cost-benefit in mind and don’t develop BDD.

 

[zemult]

I dont understand people saying its a bad result.its actually good you did correct amount of advancement and profile looks balanced

It's just low IQ users. With these results @normie_joe could go on TikTok and sell a successful mewing/thumbpulling course most likely.

 

[normie_joe]

Great result, thanks for posting. LTN to HTN based on side. This is an example of a surgery that was absolutely worth doing.

Why did you not have infraorbital implants during the surgery? It seems like a no-brainer to me since they are inserted through the Lefort incision anyway.

Your final comment on the rest of your life being shit is relatable, but to be honest if you’re in your early twenties there is time to catch up if you apply yourself. I wouldn’t rule out having more surgeries done, just always keep cost-benefit in mind and don’t develop BDD.

My surgeon only does jaw surgery, no implant work.

Infras are also such a niche surgery that it's tricky to find surgeons who do it properly and safely(there was a user who posted his result where he got an infection).

I'm only going to consider infras or any other surgery when I have a proper full time job and completed my degree. I'm just happy I got a big failo resolved, so I'm no longer thinking about it.

 

[Foreverbrad]

My surgeon only does jaw surgery, no implant work.

Infras are also such a niche surgery that it's tricky to find surgeons who do it properly and safely(there was a user who posted his result where he got an infection).

I'm only going to consider infras or any other surgery when I have a proper full time job and completed my degree. I'm just happy I got a big failo resolved, so I'm no longer thinking about it.

Bimax only for 10k CAD locally was a good deal, can see why you’d go for that rather than flying out to Italy for infras as well but pay 4x as much.
Speaking from the perspective of someone who got a full time job and completed their degree but still needs surgery…

1. My life is just a blur, I’ve been in braces five months now and it feels like no time has passed. From that perspective, it’s a good way to pass time while waiting out things like braces and swellings or the minimum periods between surgeries.

2. Unless medically necessary (bimax maybe, everything else we do absolutely not) you’ll be forced to use annual leave on your surgery recovery period where you can’t work at all. You might be allowed to work remotely once you are capable of it, in theory this would allow things like leg lengthening without losing your job.

3. Unless you are making way above average money, it doesn’t really matter if you have a job for dating. I make average UK salary but I slay less (in fact, I am incel) than when I was unemployed.

4. University is really your last chance in life to have life experiences. If your degree offers a “2+2” option or any way by which you can split up the degree, it would be very smart to use it and spend some time working in your field to afford the rest of the surgeries you need. Will also make it possible to go straight into a proper (non-grad) role after graduating sometimes.

I did #4 to an extent but I fucked it up because I didn’t know about surgeries at the time, luckily having a roided body in 2018 was still enough whereas when I did my first two years in 2013 I was a complete skinny incel. I still missed out on a LOT of social because of my face though, I was essentially a dirty secret hookup like a BBC. But beats being incel.

 

[mikeperry271]

Lefort 1 and all upper jaw movements should be kept to an absolute minimum. It's why Ramieri doesn't go past 4mm.

I'd say 4mm is indeed a great guideline if you're not that recessed.
However, if you're severely recessed (class II or clas III) 4mm might even be too less for normalization

 

[flatcheck213]

a lefort 1 only projects slightly above the teeth it does not project the nasel, zygos or the mid face with it so this isn't even the right surgery if you're that recessed you need a lefort 2 - 3 you cant just project the lower part of the maxilla and think it will ascend you

@Lefor3Laser

 

[Lefor3Laser]

a lefort 1 only projects slightly above the teeth it does not project the nasel, zygos or the mid face with it so this isn't even the right surgery if you're that recessed you need a lefort 2 - 3 you cant just project the lower part of the maxilla and think it will ascend you

There are many type of cuts for le fort 1, le fort 2 is useless in many cases and very risky.

In many cases, it would be underwhelming if not needed and you can't do CWW rotations with a le fort 2 as you can do with le fort (nerves and other factors).

Osteotomies are for normalization, and OP is a example of it, he did bimax for normalization, he also adviced for conservative movements wich is a solid advice.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

3 weeks Post OP

I said I would get bimax and post no matter how good/shit the result was, so here it is.

Tried to keep angle, lighting consistent as I can.

View attachment 3639282

Movements were lefort 1 5mm, bsso 10mm (8 or 9 on one side, I had asymmetrical lower jaw movements), and a 4mm genio.

I had a bit of CCW.

SNA: 76 -> 85.5
SNB: 72 -> 83

I'm still omega swollen, the side doesn't do justice for how my chipmunky my cheeks look from the front.

There's a lot of shit I want to talk about and the limits of this surgery.

It would take a ton of time to write a comprehensive guide, so I want to see if there's people that want to read it. If everyone would rather read threads on BBC smv to whores from Birmingham on offtopic, I'm not going to bother.

Noteworthy things:

There were as much vertical changes as horizontal, my lower third height looks more proportional.

In certain lighting, I have hollows as the surgery(esp. the bsso) stretched my skin. It almost looks like I'm cheeksucking when I'm not.

The pain I would describe as a more "bludgeoning" type of pain on the sides of my jaw. There's lots of pressure, which is supposedly muscular, so Advil has helped. It's not the post wisdom tooth removal pain where it's sharp and stingy.

I highly recommend getting your wisdom teeth out on a separate day prior to surgery, because dealing with both would be fucking awful.

Morphs are fucking useless, because soft tissue will not contour perfectly like you'd hope. For an example, my chin doesn't have that nice "s" shape.

Mentally it's fucking rough as you are constantly alternating between it looks good to it looks like shit. I suggest finding something to keep your brain occupied that is not the mirror or your phone camera.

The bimax was more or less what's expected from a bimax, but I can't subdue that shitty voice in the back of my head(that's getting louder and louder) whispering, "You spent 4 years of your life rotting away for this?"

Here's the fucking truth guys: I did not have that epiphany as I'd hoped. There's no rays of light or angel hymns. It's just "oh I guess that's that."

I'm fucking behind on school doing a piece of shit computering science degree, and by the time I'll get my first real job, I'll be in my late 20s. No bimax for missing life goals.

"He still has no degree, no job, lives with his parents, has zero college social experience but his jaws look normal, so he's perfect Becky."

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Good result OP, i am happy for you, conservative will always mog big movements (for a normal guy)

 

[genes_reroll]

Did it affect your under eyes at all ? And how high was the cut

 

[2marc1]

shouldve saved up for lefort 2 instead