Bonesmashing doesn't work. Roiding doesn't change the facial structure.

[wishIwasSalludon]

definitely

Bonesmashing is for broke people

 

[Deleted member 16636]

Buddy one quote is me saying that it’s minimized

That doesn’t say they don’t get hit often

The other quote is me saying they don’t take blows to the head every second

Once again that does mean they don’t get hit often

They take 2.41 blows every minute on average which is a lot but not as much as you thought it was

Mirin your reading comprehension

Repeating the same dog shit doesn’t make your points more valid. Now stop spamming replies like an emotional toddler and go read about the bone remodelling process.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Now stop spamming replies like an emotional toddler and go read about the bone remodelling process.

Buddy you can’t complain when your retarded points get debunked

Just be less retarded

Repeating the same dog shit doesn’t make your points more valid.

I just had to explain to you how to read properly literally none of those quotes say that mma fighters don’t get hit often

So once again I’m going to ask you an incredible simple question

Find a single quote where I say mma fighters don’t get hit(in the face) often or enough

 

[Deleted member 16636]

Buddy you can’t complain when your retarded points get debunked

Just be less retarded


I just had to explain to you how to read properly literally none of those quotes say that mma fighters don’t get hit often

So once again I’m going to ask you an incredible simple question

Find a single quote where I say mma fighters don’t get hit(in the face) often or enough

You didn’t debunk shit, accept the fold and stop trying to dodge the whole argument by trying to make up that you aren’t saying they don’t get hit often.

Stop fucking replying to me now, it’s embarrassing that I’m even entertaining low iq shitposters.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

aren’t saying they don’t get hit often.

Find a single quote where I said that

If I said they don’t get hit often then why do you keep avoiding this question?

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

You didn’t debunk shit,

Great argument bro

“You didn’t debunk me because I said so”

Brother the evidence says so

You literally changed your argument multiple times

The fact you had to change your argument shows you got debunked

 

[Deleted member 16636]

Find a single quote where I said that

If I said they don’t get hit often then why do you keep avoiding this question?

Great argument bro

“You didn’t debunk me because I said so”

Brother the evidence says so

You literally changed your argument multiple times

The fact you had to change your argument shows you got debunked

???

You didn’t debunk shit lmfao stop fucking coping. I didn’t change my argument once I responded to your multiple points where you contradicted yourself multiple times.

You didn’t prove any evidence either LOOL, you just provided some dumbass shit about shin conditioning like it’s relatable to facial bones.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

You didn’t prove any evidence either LOOL, you just provided some dumbass shit about shin conditioning like it’s relatable to facial bones.

It is relatable to facial bones?

You realize that bonecells in ur leg and face are the same

Why wouldn’t it work in the face if it works in the shins

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

I didn’t change my argument

The first thing you said was

“MMA fighters get hit all the time it’s not comparable”

Then you said “striking can’t cause remodeling because that’s not how wolffs law works muh micro muh macro traumas”

Then you said “ok striking causes remodeling but only in the shin and not anywhere else for some reason”

Stop bro

 

[Deleted member 16636]

It is relatable to facial bones?

You realize that bonecells in ur leg and face are the same

Why wouldn’t it work in the face if it works in the shins

Facial bones are more complex, simple as.

The first thing you said was

“MMA fighters get hit all the time it’s not comparable”

I said they get hit in the face for over a decade, even if it’s whatever mathematical bullshit you said it’s still over many fucking years with contact to the face. If there is somehow bone growth, it is not comparable to what the average bonesmasher does.

Then you said “striking can’t cause remodeling because that’s not how wolffs law works muh micro muh macro traumas”

Just say you don’t understand wolffs law (which you clearly don’t). It’s okay to be wrong lil fag.

Then you said “ok striking causes remodeling but only in the shin and not anywhere else for some reason”
Stop ‘em seeing yourself

Didn’t say this once.

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

Bone smashing works

Take a look at 1920s boxers they were low inihb had harder gloves and got hit in the face often

Fred bretonnel

Eugène Criqui

Georges Carpentier

 

[6foot3Mediterranean]

Bone smashing works mainly around brow ridge and cheekbones

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Zoom in and you will see the guy transformation

What thread is that

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Facial bones are more complex, simple as.

Nigga it’s still going to grow

Now because of the complexity of facial bones you could say

“Oh well it might not grow symmetrically” unlike shins which are simpler bone

But the bone itself is still going to respond to striking

Your body can’t tell whether it’s happening in your shin or your face

I said they get hit in the face for over a decade,

Yea remodeling takes years that’s why I told the other guy in the thread it’s better to just get surgery

You could speed up remodeling process with bmps, androgens, hgh etc but if you can afford that why not just get surgery

Bone smashing works indeed but it’s definitely not the best option

it is not comparable to what the average bonesmasher does.

That’s due to them not doing it long enough because bone remodeling takes a long time

Your comment implied that there was something fundamentally different abt bone smashing that would make it not work

Just say you don’t understand wolffs law (which you clearly don’t). It’s okay to be wrong lil fag.

That’s not an argument stop embarrassing yourself

Didn’t say this once.

Facial bones are more complex, simple as.

That’s you literally in the same reply saying that striking remodels the shins but not the face

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Bone smashing works

Take a look at 1920s boxers they were low inihb had harder gloves and got hit in the face often

Fred bretonnel
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Eugène Criqui
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Georges Carpentier
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God bare knuckle fighting is so insanely brutal but it interestingly enough has a lower risk of cte than gloved fighting

Which may seem strange but gloves distribute the force more which rattles your brain more

 

[20/04/2008]

Yes, androgen receptors don't downregulate no matter what gear you take. They even upregulate.

I have no money, I would give 10$ though if anyone else finances the rest.

Their facial hair increases and their hairline starts thinning, no more changes bone-related.
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Let me know if you find any significant changes in ftm trannies.


Judging just from these two pictures, it looks like his face changed.

Let me add this picture though, this may change things a bit. Looks like he has the same chin height as in the "after" picture.

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1)you agree with me
Then procedd to cuz controversy (cuz you know im a androgen receptors downregulator fan)

 

[Mike141]

Just curious I'm guessing that you bonemashed your supra mainly+maybe your infras

Was this during taking HGH? If so was you taking any roids?

ye i bonesmashed my supras, infras, chin, gonions, zygos

 

[Deleted member 65279]

ye i bonesmashed my supras, infras, chin, gonions, zygos

pics or larp

Of chin

 

[Chief Queef]

based

Cope and lies. STEROIDS and bone smashing is for champions!

 

[NoaA99]

Yes, I agree. I would add though that the skull growth achieved by growth factors (mostly during early to mid puberty) would cover the whole skull and body, not just specific parts.

Here this is an individual suffering from acromegaly.

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It just looks like his mandible grew mostly but it was his whole skull, the cranium itself is in proportion as that's the skull changes seen in developing humans.

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So as seen with this individual suffering from acromegaly, trying to replicate these results may lead to unaesthetic results.

It is insanely retarded- You can’t fully control the growth it causes and at the high doses required (at least 5iu daily), it has the potential to fuck up your health-despite what some self-proclaimed doctors on here might suggest.

 

[Joaquin]

Bonesmashing works but It is high risk low reward, I still do It tho, only on zygos

 

[robert3]

these examples are flawed, they would look much if they had less ars and more myostatin,
your average guy would get a good appearance change after roiding, they would have the effects of higher bone mass and not deal with the intense facial muscles and growth. those after photos are all on cycle with some pretty intense compounds, they're gonna look worse and they're not just on test or anavar.

 

[james sapphire]

Nobody had results with it, Loox doesn't count because he had other procedures done. Show me only one before and after of bonesmashing changing the face. I'm not saying it doesn't work because nobody had results with it, they don't work because the concept itself of "growing" the bone is flawed.

Or even roids, they don't change the facial structure bone-wise. Greg Doucette is an example for that, he blasted tons of roids, but there were 0 changes. In theory it should work though, atleast in puberty.

Before roiding (22yo)
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After roiding
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Arnold Schwarzenegger (16-20yo)
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After years of extreme AAS use
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Their giant jaws indicate how sensitive they are to androgens (high AR density, low myostatin, etc.), not that their jaws grew by the AAS use. It's almost as if the big jaw seen in most bodybuilders could be an indicator for success in bodybuilding.

An comparison for that would be how people think basketball players are taller because of playing basketball, it's more like basketball players are taller on average because they have better chances in the sport.

Feel free to discuss this, I just wanted to put this up for debate.

I'm not hating on roids btw, I'm roiding myself.

@lestoa @Hexmask @halloweed @Angutoid @N1666

but arent you bonesmashing

 

[Jonas2k7]

1)you agree with me
Then procedd to cuz controversy (cuz you know im a androgen receptors downregulator fan)

I thought maybe you changed your opinion that androgen receptors don't downregulate.

The thesis that ARs downregulate was by gymbros thinking because they stopped making gains that the androgen receptors got weaker, if we look at other processes in the body we can see that most of them really downregulate in response to high amounts of stimulation. Just not the ARs, the only thing that stops the gains is myostatin increasing. This doesn't matter in the end, I guess 6 weeks between blasts and cruises are the minimum you should wait no matter if it was caused by AR downregulation or myostatin increase.

Now explain your idea why they would downregulate ??

 

[20/04/2008]

I thought maybe you changed your opinion that androgen receptors don't downregulate.

The thesis that ARs downregulate was by gymbros thinking because they stopped making gains that the androgen receptors got weaker, if we look at other processes in the body we can see that most of them really downregulate in response to high amounts of stimulation. Just not the ARs, the only thing that stops the gains is myostatin increasing. This doesn't matter in the end, I guess 6 weeks between blasts and cruises are the minimum you should wait no matter if it was caused by AR downregulation or myostatin increase.

Now explain your idea why they would downregulate ??

Your Ar stops working as before after 6 weeks
All the greats know about it
So you either stop or increase the dose
Basicaly you can’t be on 250 test for years and expect it to keep working
You have to either let time off or double the doses

 

[solpafanima]

Facial bones are more complex, simple as.


I said they get hit in the face for over a decade, even if it’s whatever mathematical bullshit you said it’s still over many fucking years with contact to the face. If there is somehow bone growth, it is not comparable to what the average bonesmasher does.

Just say you don’t understand wolffs law (which you clearly don’t). It’s okay to be wrong lil fag.

Didn’t say this once.

dnr

 

[Jonas2k7]

Your Ar stops working as before after 6 weeks

If anything, ARs get upregulated by androgens. How would you explain that it stops working literally and why 6 weeks?

All the greats know about it

"All the greats know about it" is not a great argument, if Arnold Schwarzenegger recommends the arnold press are you going to do the arnold press?

So you either stop or increase the dose

Increasing the dose is optimal.

Basicaly you can’t be on 250 test for years and expect it to keep working

You could make substantial gains with just 250 test, it improves recovery nonetheless etc. but isn't optimal yeah.

You have to either let time off or double the doses

Titrating up the dosage step-by-step is better

 

[20/04/2008]

If anything, ARs get upregulated by androgens. How would you explain that it stops working literally and why 6 weeks?

"All the greats know about it" is not a great argument, if Arnold Schwarzenegger recommends the arnold press are you going to do the arnold press?

Increasing the dose is optimal.

You could make substantial gains with just 250 test, it improves recovery nonetheless etc. but isn't optimal yeah.

Titrating up the dosage step-by-step is better

Do an experiment
A guy who do 500 test for 6 weeks then 125 for 6 weeks and this 2x in a total of 24 weeks
Would make much more gains than a guy using 250 for 24 weeks straight even tho its the same dose
Even in studies guys get the mist gains like 90% in the 4-8 weeks range do why bother going on a longer cycle fof the extra 10% of gains

Keep in mind its not just the greats its all bodybuilders in general keep in mind those niggas are psychopaths that would do anything to win why would they. Cruise ???

Also Ar upregulate yes
Because T increase the Number of Ar
But what about Shbg ??? What about Myostatin??? What about igf-1 ???
in studies Ar content is all that matter not you overall testosterone level
That’s why a guy on 250 test could build 10 lbs and another guy 40 lbs

 

[HandsomeOrDeath]

I love bone smashing

 

[jordanbarett122]

Yeah your argument is correct roids for the most part are cope after puberty . But what happened in the case of Jon Zherka
Before

After

 

[TitusA]

Nobody had results with it, Loox doesn't count because he had other procedures done. Show me only one before and after of bonesmashing changing the face. I'm not saying it doesn't work because nobody had results with it, they don't work because the concept itself of "growing" the bone is flawed.

Or even roids, they don't change the facial structure bone-wise. Greg Doucette is an example for that, he blasted tons of roids, but there were 0 changes. In theory it should work though, atleast in puberty.

Before roiding (22yo)
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After roiding
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Arnold Schwarzenegger (16-20yo)
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After years of extreme AAS use
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Their giant jaws indicate how sensitive they are to androgens (high AR density, low myostatin, etc.), not that their jaws grew by the AAS use. It's almost as if the big jaw seen in most bodybuilders could be an indicator for success in bodybuilding.

An comparison for that would be how people think basketball players are taller because of playing basketball, it's more like basketball players are taller on average because they have better chances in the sport.

Feel free to discuss this, I just wanted to put this up for debate.

I'm not hating on roids btw, I'm roiding myself.

@lestoa @Hexmask @halloweed @Angutoid @N1666

Lol anybody can cherrypick examples iwth little changes. Why is it so hard to believe excessive androgen use causes facial changes whene woman odybuilders look more masculine facially thn 90 percent of men? My face changed drastically relative to my identical twin to the point people no longer thing we are twins.

Steroids will not make your cheekbones higher if you are somebody with naturally low set cheekbones etc but they massively develop and thicken the bones taken at a young age in high enough doses.

Also why would you pick that faggot greg doucette frankly 99 percent of what comes out of his mouth is bullshit. Guys still says hes on 140mg test lol as if he is maintaining his physique on that. He just like 99 percent of the fitness industry is a huge fraud.

 

[narex054]

Nobody had results with it, Loox doesn't count because he had other procedures done. Show me only one before and after of bonesmashing changing the face. I'm not saying it doesn't work because nobody had results with it, they don't work because the concept itself of "growing" the bone is flawed.

Or even roids, they don't change the facial structure bone-wise. Greg Doucette is an example for that, he blasted tons of roids, but there were 0 changes. In theory it should work though, atleast in puberty.

Before roiding (22yo)
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After roiding
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Arnold Schwarzenegger (16-20yo)
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After years of extreme AAS use
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Their giant jaws indicate how sensitive they are to androgens (high AR density, low myostatin, etc.), not that their jaws grew by the AAS use. It's almost as if the big jaw seen in most bodybuilders could be an indicator for success in bodybuilding.

An comparison for that would be how people think basketball players are taller because of playing basketball, it's more like basketball players are taller on average because they have better chances in the sport.

Feel free to discuss this, I just wanted to put this up for debate.

I'm not hating on roids btw, I'm roiding myself.

@lestoa @Hexmask @halloweed @Angutoid @N1666

Bonesmashing is legit,I can explain if u want.

 

[cheekbonesforlife]

Lol anybody can cherrypick examples iwth little changes. Why is it so hard to believe excessive androgen use causes facial changes whene woman odybuilders look more masculine facially thn 90 percent of men? My face changed drastically relative to my identical twin to the point people no longer thing we are twins.

Steroids will not make your cheekbones higher if you are somebody with naturally low set cheekbones etc but they massively develop and thicken the bones taken at a young age in high enough doses.

Also why would you pick that faggot greg doucette frankly 99 percent of what comes out of his mouth is bullshit. Guys still says hes on 140mg test lol as if he is maintaining his physique on that. He just like 99 percent of the fitness industry is a huge fraud.

which roids did you use that changed your face for the good?

 

[cheekbonesforlife]

Bonesmashing is legit,I can explain if u want.

elab

 

[narex054]

elab

What does that mean?

 

[cheekbonesforlife]

What does that mean?

I meant elaborate

 

[low1sd]

if bone smashing doesnt work why havent i seen a boxer or mma fighter with bad zygos

Nigga ur comparing professional fighters taking 776 pounds worth of punches in their face + heavy steroid abuse to some autistic retard hitting their face with a hammer where is the logic

 

[blackzarak]

water

only shit for brains retards will do these

 

[Jonas2k7]

Do an experiment
A guy who do 500 test for 6 weeks then 125 for 6 weeks and this 2x in a total of 24 weeks
Would make much more gains than a guy using 250 for 24 weeks straight even tho its the same dose

You don't need that many androgens and growth factors in your system early on in your roiding career, that's why I would recommend the mostly side-effect free variant of doing 250 for 24 weeks or even longer. Most people are just not able to do "just do 500 test for 20 weeks bro" because of all the side effects, also as you wouldn't even recommend any 5ARI to them on this cycle, how else should they protect their hair?

They would need multiple ancillaries for their hair, skin, heart, blood pressure, estrogenic side effects and cholesterol mainly if they don't want to go to shit during and after that cycle.

Even in studies guys get the mist gains like 90% in the 4-8 weeks range do why bother going on a longer cycle fof the extra 10% of gains

Can you link a study showing that?

Keep in mind its not just the greats its all bodybuilders in general keep in mind those niggas are psychopaths that would do anything to win why would they. Cruise ???

Greats of bodybuilding doing something ≠ ideal
If I remember correctly they were instead doing prolonged cycles where they keep increasing the dosage week for week and after a show they came off completely btw (not ideal) obviously only "surviving" on that depot effect of the androgens they've been blasting for months.

Also Ar upregulate yes
Because T increase the Number of Ar
But what about Shbg ???

T decreases SHBG

What about Myostatin???

Myostatin gets increased obviously in every cycle, though in practice you still keep on making gains.What about igf-1 ???

What about igf-1 ???

I don't know for sure, but some androgens increase igf-1.

in studies Ar content is all that matter not you overall testosterone level
That’s why a guy on 250 test could build 10 lbs and another guy 40 lbs

A guy whose first "cycle" was 250 test straight up for a year gained 36kg going from 90kg to around 105-106kg just with locked-in diet and training, he didn't have to use any ancillaries and maintained good health, now he is able to do all these blasts and cruises anyway, having experienced no systematic issues with that cycle. Now at 183cm and 105kg he is able to gain a lot more with higher androgen load, it just seems like this is the ideal road if you are going to roid year after year anyway.

183cm, 105kg in that picture.

@Magnum Opus

 

[Jonas2k7]

Lol anybody can cherrypick examples iwth little changes. Why is it so hard to believe excessive androgen use causes facial changes whene woman odybuilders look more masculine facially thn 90 percent of men? My face changed drastically relative to my identical twin to the point people no longer thing we are twins.

This isn't cherrypicked, I've used pictures of bodybuilders that have been roiding for years or decades. If they didn't achieve any facial growth with their excessive use of AAS, do you think you would achieve anything significant with your tiny amount compared to theirs?

If you still insist that it is cherrypicked show me some good examples where roiding changed the facial structure drastically.

Steroids will not make your cheekbones higher if you are somebody with naturally low set cheekbones etc but they massively develop and thicken the bones taken at a young age in high enough doses.

Increased bone mass ≠ significant facial bone growth

Just because something gets denser, doesn't mean it expands.

Also why would you pick that faggot greg doucette frankly 99 percent of what comes out of his mouth is bullshit. Guys still says hes on 140mg test lol as if he is maintaining his physique on that. He just like 99 percent of the fitness industry is a huge fraud.

I don't really know what he is saying, but he said some good things like that roiding should be done with conservative moderate dosages and titrated up accordingly to your needs. Also whatever he is saying isn't equal to the amount he used, he disclosed it several times.

One time he used: 600mg test/week, 300mg Eq/week, 300 deca/week, 1mg arimidex eod, diananol 25mg twice a day. Source.

Lol at you if you think most users here would blast these amounts, if he didn't achieve any facial bone growth with this cycle do you think some dude using 1/6 of that would see any changes except for masseter muscle growth?

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Yeah your argument is correct roids for the most part are cope after puberty . But what happened in the case of Jon Zherka
Before
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After
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bro looks the same?

 

[20/04/2008]

You don't need that many androgens and growth factors in your system early on in your roiding career, that's why I would recommend the mostly side-effect free variant of doing 250 for 24 weeks or even longer. Most people are just not able to do "just do 500 test for 20 weeks bro" because of all the side effects, also as you wouldn't even recommend any 5ARI to them on this cycle, how else should they protect their hair?

They would need multiple ancillaries for their hair, skin, heart, blood pressure, estrogenic side effects and cholesterol mainly if they don't want to go to shit during and after that cycle.

Can you link a study showing that?

Greats of bodybuilding doing something ≠ ideal
If I remember correctly they were instead doing prolonged cycles where they keep increasing the dosage week for week and after a show they came off completely btw (not ideal) obviously only "surviving" on that depot effect of the androgens they've been blasting for months.

T decreases SHBG

Myostatin gets increased obviously in every cycle, though in practice you still keep on making gains.What about igf-1 ???

I don't know for sure, but some androgens increase igf-1.

A guy whose first "cycle" was 250 test straight up for a year gained 36kg going from 90kg to around 105-106kg just with locked-in diet and training, he didn't have to use any ancillaries and maintained good health, now he is able to do all these blasts and cruises anyway, having experienced no systematic issues with that cycle. Now at 183cm and 105kg he is able to gain a lot more with higher androgen load, it just seems like this is the ideal road if you are going to roid year after year anyway.

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183cm, 105kg in that picture.

@Magnum Opus

Im advising to run high doses for short pereiod of time then recover your health marketer when you in super low dose while maintaining your gains
Literally any study bro like any study if you go read the full study myostatin level increase significantly until you make no gains after week 6-8 where its spikes the fuck up with + 90% of the gains are in the first 4 weeks
Literraly read any study im not gonna send cause then uts gonna be cherrypicking but read any study it would say the sale thing

Im talking about lean mass not weight i know naturals who put on 30 kg in a year but how much of it is actual lean muscle i doubt its more than 10 kg

Shbg is anabolic stop taking advice from org users or shitty youtubers
All androgens increase igf-1

I know but he probably gained 20 kg in the first 4 weeks so was it really worth it to go 24 weeks

I believe in the idea that less is better but bro unless you have money problems i don’t see why you would run 250 instead of 500 500 isnt that big of a deal even guys with shitty genetics could handle it short term or you could use 250 test with another safe compound like deca or primo or an oral as kickstart like dbol or anadrol , all this compounds that have been megadosed in studies yet proven to be safe in women and children and had little to no side effects contrairely to testosterone

 

[Jonas2k7]

Im advising to run high doses for short pereiod of time then recover your health marketer when you in super low dose while maintaining your gains
Literally any study bro like any study if you go read the full study myostatin level increase significantly until you make no gains after week 6-8 where its spikes the fuck up with + 90% of the gains are in the first 4 weeks
Literraly read any study im not gonna send cause then uts gonna be cherrypicking but read any study it would say the sale thing

The first weeks are where the compound accumulates in the body first anyway. It is better to not need any ancillaries and get no side effects than having to use ancillaries to cover up the side effects. It is literally the healthiest option, if you are going to roid long-term doing a long bulk with test 250 for 6-12 months mogs any short cycle. You will do "cycles" anyway, this way you build a ton of muscle mass without risking hair loss or any other side effects.

Im talking about lean mass not weight i know naturals who put on 30 kg in a year but how much of it is actual lean muscle i doubt its more than 10 kg

If you are on 250mg test per week your body will adapt itself accordingly and let you maintain higher levels of muscle mass.

Shbg is anabolic stop taking advice from org users or shitty youtubers
All androgens increase igf-1

I'm not taking advice from any user on here literally, I have the same sources as you mostly, except for the german conservative approach to roiding youtubers.

I know but he probably gained 20 kg in the first 4 weeks so was it really worth it to go 24 weeks

Wdym gained 20kg in the first 4 weeks, read that sentence again

I believe in the idea that less is better but bro unless you have money problems i don’t see why you would run 250 instead of 500 500 isnt that big of a deal even guys with shitty genetics could handle it short term or you could use 250 test with another safe compound like deca or primo or an oral as kickstart like dbol or anadrol , all this compounds that have been megadosed in studies yet proven to be safe in women and children and had little to no side effects contrairely to testosterone

I would get serious health complications if I ran test 500 without the according ancillaries, btw with your advice and if I was some lazy incel I would die of a heart attack. I have chronically high cholesterol levels and if I don't roid moderately I'm in risk of getting heart attacks and atherosclerosis etc.

Again: Roiding while not having to use any ancillaries and getting no side effects at all >>> Having to buy a ton of ancillaries to make insignificantly more muscle, most of which is water weight anyway.

At 250mg you would get less water weight than with 500mg test, so obviously "body mass excluding fat" would increase on 500mg more.

 

[narex054]

I meant elaborate

Let’s say I want prominent zygos,the zygomatic bones must be in a ️MULTIPLE️process of bones remodeling,if u don’t know, bones remodeling is when both cells Osteoclast,Osteoblasts released when the body demands new bones,either the previous bones get cracked/removed.

for a prominent zygomatic bones,you’d need a continuous cycle of bone remodeling,So with excessive mechanical stress like repeatedly hitting a facial bone can cause Microfractures which will trigger the bone remodeling.

It’s a long a game,and first u will notice just swelling,U can accelerate this process with HGH,test.
@Jonas2k7

 

[20/04/2008]

The first weeks are where the compound accumulates in the body first anyway. It is better to not need any ancillaries and get no side effects than having to use ancillaries to cover up the side effects. It is literally the healthiest option, if you are going to roid long-term doing a long bulk with test 250 for 6-12 months mogs any short cycle. You will do "cycles" anyway, this way you build a ton of muscle mass without risking hair loss or any other side effects.

If you are on 250mg test per week your body will adapt itself accordingly and let you maintain higher levels of muscle mass.

I'm not taking advice from any user on here literally, I have the same sources as you mostly, except for the german conservative approach to roiding youtubers.

Wdym gained 20kg in the first 4 weeks, read that sentence again

I would get serious health complications if I ran test 500 without the according ancillaries, btw with your advice and if I was some lazy incel I would die of a heart attack. I have chronically high cholesterol levels and if I don't roid moderately I'm in risk of getting heart attacks and atherosclerosis etc.

Again: Roiding while not having to use any ancillaries and getting no side effects at all >>> Having to buy a ton of ancillaries to make insignificantly more muscle, most of which is water weight anyway.

At 250mg you would get less water weight than with 500mg test, so obviously "body mass excluding fat" would increase on 500mg more.

Cope your body get saturated pretty fats like even when you use fckn deca it takes 1 week your just takjing about peak saturation

Yes its possible ive seen it ive seen guys build 30 kg in 4 weeks (when they switch from Cut yo bulk)

For ancillaries i recommend OTC that shit cost 10$ a month Maxxx

*Nitrogen retention*

 

[TitusA]

This isn't cherrypicked, I've used pictures of bodybuilders that have been roiding for years or decades. If they didn't achieve any facial growth with their excessive use of AAS, do you think you would achieve anything significant with your tiny amount compared to theirs?

If you still insist that it is cherrypicked show me some good examples where roiding changed the facial structure drastically.

Increased bone mass ≠ significant facial bone growth

Just because something gets denser, doesn't mean it expands.

I don't really know what he is saying, but he said some good things like that roiding should be done with conservative moderate dosages and titrated up accordingly to your needs. Also whatever he is saying isn't equal to the amount he used, he disclosed it several times.

One time he used: 600mg test/week, 300mg Eq/week, 300 deca/week, 1mg arimidex eod, diananol 25mg twice a day. Source.

Lol at you if you think most users here would blast these amounts, if he didn't achieve any facial bone growth with this cycle do you think some dude using 1/6 of that would see any changes except for masseter muscle growth?

O have an IDENTICAL TWIN BROTHER you mutt also wtf are u talking about bodybuilderd faces are chaging even though they do it at later ages.

 

[Jonas2k7]

O have an IDENTICAL TWIN BROTHER you mutt also wtf are u talking about bodybuilderd faces are chaging even though they do it at later ages.

Keep barking tbh, I can't do anything about your room temperature iq. What am I supposed to do with your claim that your identical twin looks different, ever thought about the possibility that there are other factors determining whether you will look like your twin?

Also you didn't provide any "bodybuilder face transformation" to this point.

My point still stands, even if roiding affected the face, no one does blast those amounts of gear (multiple grams of gear depending on AR sensitivity and other factors) needed for that type of growth.

 

[20/04/2008]

O have an IDENTICAL TWIN BROTHER you mutt also wtf are u talking about bodybuilderd faces are chaging even though they do it at later ages.

His delusional he was literally agreeing with yoyr statementsv2 month ago i don’t know who brainwashed him

 

[Jonas2k7]

His delusional he was literally agreeing with yoyr statementsv2 month ago i don’t know who brainwashed him

I started thinking more critically and came to different conclusions, better than being partially ignorant like I was before.

Now just like how DHT causes hair loss, I came to the next conclusion that roids don't affect facial bone growth after late puberty. Different topic about how it could affect facial bone growth in early stages of puberty though.

 

[20/04/2008]

I started thinking more critically and came to different conclusions, better than being partially ignorant like I was before.

Now just like how DHT causes hair loss, I came to the next conclusion that roids don't affect facial bone growth after late puberty. Different topic about how it could affect facial bone growth in early stages of puberty though.

 

[cheekbonesforlife]

Let’s say I want prominent zygos,the zygomatic bones must be in a ️MULTIPLE️process of bones remodeling,if u don’t know, bones remodeling is when both cells Osteoclast,Osteoblasts released when the body demands new bones,either the previous bones get cracked/removed.

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for a prominent zygomatic bones,you’d need a continuous cycle of bone remodeling,So with excessive mechanical stress like repeatedly hitting a facial bone can cause Microfractures which will trigger the bone remodeling.

It’s a long a game,and first u will notice just swelling,U can accelerate this process with HGH,test.
@Jonas2k7

yeah but I haven't seen actual progress pics of anyone yet