Can surgeries even help to reach htn-chadlite levels if you are a LTN-MTN coz most transformations I see are softmaxes

I’m so confused how does the result look so good. My man had a genuinely recessed lower jaw. Genio isn’t known to fix recession. Is this more a camouflage that might look great in the long run?
My jaw was not recessed but my chin was extremely recessed. I only did genio. A bimax procedure would have taken at least a year and half of orthodontic treatments to make room for the advancement.

Genio is a pretty simple surgery but it can do wonders if you don't have any other underlying jaw issues.
 
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Genio isn’t known to fix recession
??
Genio is alife saviour surgery if you have a recessed chin
Bimax is lefort1+bsso
Bsso advances the jaw as well
Genio advances the chin
These results look really good coz of good choice of surgery and efforts by the surgeon
Also he got 10mm of advancement which is huge ..
 
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Except for bimax which is an utter meme and a surgery only for subhumans

Can facial surgeries like rhino,genio,implants,fillers (minor surgeries) or maybe any surgery take you to good looking levels if you are a complete dead average in the face ??

Most of the major transformations I see are softmaxes like weight loss , fillers , mewing(lol) etc
Big difference between MTN and LTN. A natural MTN can probably ascend if his skull is his best feature but the same can’t be said for a LTN
 
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Yeah bro bimax actually is for those are severely recessed
Imho you don't need a bimax but genio only
I'm also planning to go for genio with jaw fillers and a rhino
i need every surgery possible tbh
yes I talked exactly about him here in this threads some posts above.
Yes his old oneitis treats him better but now he has the opportunity to reject her and date younger prettier teens
How old is he
 
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Yeah bro bimax actually is for those are severely recessed
Imho you don't need a bimax but genio only
I'm also planning to go for genio with jaw fillers and a rhino
imo genio is a bad idea unless your chin is legitemely flat. Big chins are unaesthetic

then you mentioned jaw fillers but why? are you aware that jaw fillers will last two months in the best case? Fat graft in jaw angles is the best option for bgonial augmentation because implants cut off your masseter muscle

iu
 
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Do you have the before and after ??
yes I talked exactly about him here in this threads some posts above.
Yes his old oneitis treats him better but now he has the opportunity to reject her and date younger prettier teens

Finally found it!

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imo genio is a bad idea unless your chin is legitemely flat. Big chins are unaesthetic

then you mentioned jaw fillers but why? are you aware that jaw fillers will last two months in the best case? Fat graft in jaw angles is the best option for bgonial augmentation because implants cut off your masseter muscle

iu

Fat graft for jaw angles? Never heard of that. I know alfaro does cheekbones fat graft but i've never seen any result.
 
My chin is kinda recessed so ig genio would be the best bet rather than a whole bimax
And i choose jaw fillers for the angularity of the jaw yeah they last for about a year but I'm not considering gonial implants or jaw implants as most of the time the results i see are unappealing
Fat grafts seem to be an intresting idea i might consider
imo genio is a bad idea unless your chin is legitemely flat. Big chins are unaesthetic

then you mentioned jaw fillers but why? are you aware that jaw fillers will last two months in the best case? Fat graft in jaw angles is the best option for bgonial augmentation because implants cut off your masseter muscle

iu
 
My chin is kinda recessed so ig genio would be the best bet rather than a whole bimax
And i choose jaw fillers for the angularity of the jaw yeah they last for about a year but I'm not considering gonial implants or jaw implants as most of the time the results i see are unappealing
Fat grafts seem to be an intresting idea i might consider
Fat grafts????? Nigga that’s a horrible idea.
 
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Fat grafts????? Nigga that’s a horrible idea.
I myself am confused coz of that
Btw does genio or chin implant work well for getting a taller chin ??
 
I myself am confused coz of that
Btw does genio or chin implant work well for getting a taller chin ??
It does, genio can widen, add height and give the chin anterior projection.


Look at the genio cut here, it adds height and projects the chin while also slightly widening it
 
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It does, genio can widen, add height and give the chin anterior projection.


Look at the genio cut here, it adds height and projects the chin while also slightly widening it
Out of genio and chin implant which one is a better option for a more masculine and an aesthetic chin ??
Ig genio helps to fix recession but implants help give that desired shape
So can we get both genio and implants ??
Like i get a genio and after few months get my custom implants for my chin to add in the desired shape
 
Out of genio and chin implant which one is a better option for a more masculine and an aesthetic chin ??
Ig genio helps to fix recession but implants help give that desired shape
So can we get both genio and implants ??
Like i get a genio and after few months get my custom implants for my chin to add in the desired shape
You can achieve a desired shape and fix recession with just a genio. The genio I showed you is just one example but it can be changed depending on what you need more of

Chin Implants are complete overkill
 
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Out of genio and chin implant which one is a better option for a more masculine and an aesthetic chin ??
Ig genio helps to fix recession but implants help give that desired shape
So can we get both genio and implants ??
Like i get a genio and after few months get my custom implants for my chin to add in the desired shape
Osteotomies are always better than implants. You can't predict how your soft tissues will accomodate the implant. A genio can add vertical and sliding movements.

If your surgeon is good he can even perform a mini-chin wing genio : He will go as wide as possible without going full chin-wing so it will widen your chin in the final result.
 
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Nose for blacks is like their only major failo
Blacks also tend to have horribly recessed chins, scleral show, and prognathism as well.
 
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I don't think so. Surgery tends to look uncanny to me.
 
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Blacks also tend to have horribly recessed chins, scleral show, and prognathism as well.
True : my three mains failos actually.

Genio got rid of recessed chin and erased prognathism as my chin is slightly pass my lower lip now.

As for subhuman eyes, I hope that Bernardini can ascend me in 2 months.

My nose is not a failo quite surprisingly, I even have a nice high nasal bridge for a black guy.
 
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True : my three mains failos actually.

Genio got rid of recessed chin and erased prognathism as my chin is slightly pass my lower lip now.

As for subhuman eyes, I hope that Bernardini can ascend me in 2 months.

My nose is not a failo quite surprisingly, I even have a nice high nasal bridge for a black guy.
Yea your nose is really good for a black. Which is a good thing. As rhinoplasty’s for blacks are insanely expensive in the west. Like 2-3X the cost of a cuacasian rhinoplasty. Mirin your ascension either way.
 
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Yea your nose is really good for a black. Which is a good thing. As rhinoplasty’s for blacks are insanely expensive in the west. Like 2-3X the cost of a cuacasian rhinoplasty. Mirin your ascension either way.
Yep, that "ethnic rhino" shit is pure scam.

I'm not finished bro, I still need to work on my eye area and jaw. I don't know for zygos though : they seem decent enough but I always want more. Ascension is still far away.
 
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I don't think so. Surgery tends to look uncanny to me.
I have seen few transformations where guys have went from subhuman to htn/chadlite
But they had major failos like really recessed jaw or completely fucked up nose / eyes
So they get one surgery like bimax and ascend hard
But for people who are average and have average facial recession or growth they can't ascend with a bimax as they don't even need it at the first place
They need many more minor surgeries to take them to good looking which is a pain in the ass and a lot of times surgery end being botched too ..
 
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I have seen few transformations where guys have went from subhuman to htn/chadlite
But they had major failos like really recessed jaw or completely fucked up nose / eyes
So they get one surgery like bimax and ascend hard
But for people who are average and have average facial recession or growth they can't ascend with a bimax as they don't even need it at the first place
They need many more minor surgeries to take them to good looking which is a pain in the ass and a lot of times surgery end being botched too ..
I think this place despite its many flaws provides more than enough knowledge for anyone to ascend (provided they have a decent base). The steps should be :

1-Identify your failos : it's quite easy, post your face or send it by PM to a knowledgeable member for proper assessment.
2-If the failos can be fixed by softmaxxing : don't waste time and order the products, change your style,etc...
3-If they can't be fixed without hardmaxxing : do your homework, search the best specialist in your country or in the world if you have enough money to travel halfway accros the world to get surgery. Surgeons/Doctors are like everyone else : 80% of mediocre, 20% of really good.
 
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How old is he
Thelordmadness is 1998 born like me.
He started gym and underwent bimax + genio in 2019, and he finished his looksmaxing journey in 2022 with jaw/zygo implant + rhino, facial hair remova, hairmaxxing
 
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Fat graft for jaw angles? Never heard of that. I know alfaro does cheekbones fat graft but i've never seen any result.
fat grafting is an alternative technique to implants with same or even better aesthetic results and less risks.
For example orbital rim fat graft is better than implants because ortibal rim fat graft can reduce dark circles unlike rim implant
 
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fat grafting is an alternative technique to implants with same or even better aesthetic results and less risks.
For example orbital rim fat graft is better than implants because ortibal rim fat graft can reduce dark circles unlike rim implant

Yea, but there's no way it replicates bones like implants do.
 
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Yea, but there's no way it replicates bones like implants do.

Those implants make you look bloated anyway. The only one worth to consider is chin implant. The rest will make you look like Bodanoff brothers.

Can't believe how they went from this:

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To this:

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Those implants make you look bloated anyway. The only one worth to consider is chin implant. The rest will make you look like Bodanoff brothers.

Can't believe how they went from this:

image%2F0991366%2F20220103%2Fob_c60335_igor-et-grichka-bogdanoff.jpg


To this:

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That's fillers
 
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Those implants make you look bloated anyway. The only one worth to consider is chin implant. The rest will make you look like Bodanoff brothers.

Can't believe how they went from this:

image%2F0991366%2F20220103%2Fob_c60335_igor-et-grichka-bogdanoff.jpg


To this:

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i just hope ppl like u are trolling
 
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That's fillers

They had implants as well if I remember correctly.

i just hope ppl like u are trolling
Trolling beacuse of what? Never saw a good looking, natural, not obvious and not uncanny zygo/orbital implants results. It also not age well.
 
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Those implants make you look bloated anyway. The only one worth to consider is chin implant. The rest will make you look like Bodanoff brothers.

Can't believe how they went from this:

image%2F0991366%2F20220103%2Fob_c60335_igor-et-grichka-bogdanoff.jpg


To this:

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Sadly you're not completely wrong, although i think these 2 got fillers. Regarding implants, i've seen a couple of good results, but many either look uncanny af or it makes the guy into an amorphous blob.
 
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Those implants make you look bloated anyway. The only one worth to consider is chin implant. The rest will make you look like Bodanoff brothers.

Can't believe how they went from this:

image%2F0991366%2F20220103%2Fob_c60335_igor-et-grichka-bogdanoff.jpg


To this:

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huge descend
 
Yea, but there's no way it replicates bones like implants do.
I advise jaw fat grafting in place of the classical jaw implant because jaw implants fuck up the masseter with no exception
 
Except for bimax which is an utter meme and a surgery only for subhumans
Ahh finally. People on this forum says to everyone to get bimax like your mother says "go to the market to buy some water" while really few people have recessed maxilla. Most needs bsso but muh just get bimax bro :lul: :lul: bsso or 10mm genio are the way. Surgery can ascend you if you don't have pretty bad failos like ipd-es ratio or bad midface and philtrum. The main purpose should be to fix failos and don't create halos
 
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How shit has this forum become
 
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Ahh finally. People on this forum says to everyone to get bimax like your mother says "go to the market to buy some water" while really few people have recessed maxilla. Most needs bsso but muh just get bimax bro :lul: :lul: bsso or 10mm genio are the way. Surgery can ascend you if you don't have pretty bad failos like ipd-es ratio or bad midface and philtrum. The main purpose should be to fix failos and don't create halos
Exactly every other guy here advocates for bimax as if it will ascend everyone
It's only for subhumans with really recessed maxillas
Minor surgeries like rhino , genio , implants , fillers are what actually ascends someone if they are avg looking facially
 
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You'll become a Gandi's Apprentice doppelganger in NO TIME
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Exactly every other guy here advocates for bimax as if it will ascend everyone
It's only for subhumans with really recessed maxillas
Minor surgeries like rhino , genio , implants , fillers are what actually ascends someone if they are avg looking facially
Yeah, many just have ok maxillas with recessed mandible, there's no reason to dogmaxx yourself just for a maxilla that is more forward grown for like 3mm max(jfl), and this surgery also destroy your cheekbones, not a big deal. Not even talking about some results post op, many guys literally descended. Softmaxxing+ implants, genio/bsso/ rhino and fat grafts are the way to go. Fillers will ascend you only for a small time, they'll make you bloated some weeks after the injections, unfortunately this is why implants are superior to them.
 
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We have niggas in this thread calling implants and bimax cope and instead suggesting fillers and fat grafts(for jaw angles??????)

Osteotomy>implants>fillers>fat grafts

You’d only want fat grafts for your eye area regardless since facial fat loss for men is a good thing if you have bones

And bimax will only dogmax you if your midface is recessed, so getting infraorbital implants alongside bimax is a very common thing most aesthetics focused surgeons offer them at a discount if you get them done alongside your bimax

Also CCW mogs linear advancement hard, linear advancement with Lefort 1 is what creates that dogmaxxed lower maxilla
 
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