Destroyers of the Potential For Legacy

[HarrierDuBois]

Destroyers of the Potential For Legacy

Why I chose this name is important to note, it's a distinction from "Destroyers of Legacy". Destroyers of legacy come in many shapes and forms and have already been established many times on how to be dealt with. But if you want to achieve greatness you must choke the threat down by its beginning, most great people die before becoming great, just imagine how many great people were lost due to being choked down from becoming who they were meant to be. Hence why my guide is called "Destroyers of the Potential For Legacy".

These are my insights into what hinders men from achieving an immortal, great, and original legacy. See this as a miniature The Prince by Niccoló Machiavelli, instead of showing you what mistakes to avoid and how to rule a kingdom, I will show you what mistakes to avoid and how to rule yourself by creating something original.
I start this off by saying, this is only a guide for those inherently comprehending what I am about to say. This desire can not be given from one man to another, you must be born with the desire for a legacy.

Prelude

What do you value more?

Do you value achieving an original immortal legacy OR living as the average normal man with a 9-5, wife and kids, and then being content?

I have noticed that the individuals of the former group are few and far between, they are so thoroughly consumed by the idea of achieving something original that nothing comes in the way of it. The people of the latter group comprise the majority of the population. There is nothing wrong with belonging to it, we can't all be introspective thinkers trying to change the world, isolating ourselves from the rest, and looking into a future other people are unaware of. One thing I noticed is that no amount of rationalization or explanation can make people of the latter group COMPREHEND this fundamental desire.
If you don't relate to what I just spoke of, stop reading here since you are of the masses; Enjoy your wife, children, and 9-5, I wish you the best, sincerely.

Now for those of you who need advice on how not to fall into a pit if you are desiring to achieve greatness, achieve an immortal, original, and great legacy.
It doesn't matter if you desire to invent a technology, become a philosopher, or create beautiful art. I am here for all my spiritual vagrants.

I: The ingredients required for an immortal, great, and original legacy

Not everyone will even have a built in desire to achieve a great legacy, and for those that do you must have certain aspects of your personhood to help you on the way. To try and build a legacy as a man of low sentience is like trying to run a marathon as a cripple. You either have it or you don't.
Here are my findings on the three core qualities necessary in order of establishing an immortal, great, and original legacy. Whether the legacy is for you or for others doesn't matter.

1. The capacity for original thought.
This skill is self explanatory, if you can do nothing but reiterating previous findings you will never create something original. Nothing is more pathetic than the man incapable of figuring out something original while thinking he will achieve greatness. Whatever legacy you pursue it must be original, be it an invention, a philosophy, or a piece of art.

2. The ability to extract and draw immense amounts of insight, wisdom, and ideas out of surprisingly little information, experience, and stimuli.
This is a skill I never see spoken of anywhere, but it is absolutely necessary for anyone trying to achieve something new. It reminds me of what Lex Luthor said; the separation of normies and historical figures: "Some people can read War and Peace and come away thinking it's a simple adventure story. Others can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe." How can the inventor see what technology is necessary and demanded, the philosopher figure out what the world needs to learn and realize, and the artist figure out what people need to feel and express, if not for this skill helping them understand more of the world around them than everyone else.

3. The skill of articulating your connected findings.
It does not matter how many impressionistic conceptual ideas you can come up with if none of them can ever come out of your mouth or onto a paper. I have had so many glimpses of conceptual greatness lost into the abyss because I couldn't find the right words to put them down into the world. Whether this is an invention, a philosophical insight, or a premise for a story, if you can't portray what you see in your mind you will never let it into the world.

II: Understand that you are different

As I stated previously; "no amount of rationalization or explanation can make people of the latter group COMPREHEND this fundamental desire."
The opposite of this holds true, and be sure to face that fact, just how you can't convince them to strive for an ideal they will feed you with propaganda to move within the framework since they are equally as alien to you as you are to them. Only difference is you are not the majority, so you are wrong. You are wrong until you are right, and it is your type of people that tends to be right, see so far into the future at something hidden to others that they deem you crazy, meanwhile 100 years later understanding that you were right. Whether your technology revolutionizes the world, your insights shake peoples worldviews, or your art touches the hearts of the world, you will do it because you are different, not because you are like the rest.

Just how Nikola Tesla invented alternating current, how Friedrich Nietzsche predicted how the world would react to losing God from their status quo, and how Fyodor Dostoevsky back in Russia predicted the entire lifespan and arc of communism in Demons, these thinkers will in their lifespans be seen as crazy but time will always prove them right. My conclusion and advice here for you reading is to not be ashamed of being different, the peer pressure and desire to fit in may be strong in times of uncertainty. When you see everyone happy with living the way they do you might just lie to yourself enough that you believe that their path is the right for you as well. Or even worse you may start thinking something is wrong with you. But it is when you conform to normalcy that you lose your aspiration to achieve originality. Do not ever let the masses convince you that it's better to suppress your unique worldview just because it does not fit in. Fitting in means to chop off the pieces of your silhouette that are not shaped as the mold is, but those pieces may be made out of gold.

III: Women, jobs, and other distractions

I know some will now see this and think: "They (the great originals) were incels who couldn't get laid and you are coping!" As if hedonism and sex will ever be the peak of any existence (hypocrisy, since as I stated at the start of this guide that hedonism and sex is the peak existence for the vast majority and that most will be content with something lesser, but if they did not leave at the first disclaimer, then this is the second and last). Everything that is at its peak in the moment of the existence's conception is unworthy of being remembered. Things that gain value with age are the things worth clinging to, whether these be inventions being improved upon, philosophy getting expanded upon, or art getting thoroughly understood and enjoyed as it was intended to. Things improving as they age are the things that a great, original thinker should look for.

Women are dangerous. That is as simple as I can get. Women are incredibly dangerous. The amount of men my age who got a woman in their lives and lost all aspiration, along with their looks, just a few years afterwards made me very cautious of women. I now reject all female attention given me, I have rejected multiple relationships from taking a bite into my dream. Seeing what it did to those around me made me understand that if you desire to achieve greatness, you must ONLY allow a woman into your life AFTER your legacy has already been established. Remember, despite your difference and capacity for original thought along with the rest of your skills, you are merely a man of flesh and blood. If you get a woman early in your life she will sedate you with her loving feminine touch and you will fall into an indolent coma where you grow blind to your concepts. Vipers. Although there are exceptions, you should be safe rather than sorry.

Jobs are restrictive. They call it wageslaving for a reason. What you sell is your time. I have none other to speak about this than the poet Charles Bukowski in an interview he did:

"Barbet Schroeder: You say that starving doesn’t create art, that it creates many things, but mainly creates time.
Charles Bukowski: Oh yeah, well, hey that’s very basic. I hate to use up your film to say this, but you know, if you work an eight hour job, you’re gonna get 55 cents an hour. If you stay home you’re not going to get any money, but you’re gonna have time to write things down on paper. I guess I was one of those rarities of our modern times who did starve for his art. I really starved, you know, to have a 24 hour day un-intruded upon by other people. I gave up food, I gave up everything, just to – I was a nut, I was dedicated. But you see, the problem is, you can be a dedicated nut and not be able to do it. Dedication without talent is useless."

To choke up your time and most of all dedication into a job will steal so much of your time and dreams. You must decide whether it is really worth it to make money at a steady rate instead of working towards your goal.

The difference between the normie and the pursuer of legacy is that when you give the normie unlimited resources he will use them to increase the hedonism in his life by allowing himself to get more eaten up and engrained by the world around him than ever before. But when you give the pursuer of legacy unlimited resources he will put it all towards his ideas so that he can engrain himself more into the world than ever before. That is the distinction.

Now for the other distractions, this is everything not related to women in your life or work. Things that eat up your time and mind will make you focus on things other than that which you should focus on. This is more important in this age than ever, there is no time in history where distractions will take up as much of your time as now. There has never before been a time in history where you have been offered as many distractions as now. Whether it's porn, video games, scrolling social media. All of these things will eat up your time, time is your most valuable resource. Delete every app from your phone that is not necessary. Stop scrolling.

I'd argue hobbies that aren't helping you specifically are to be cut out as well. All sports should be cut out of your schedule. Only physical training such as cardio and hypertrophy alternatively strength training should be allowed time of day since these increase your intelligence and capabilities as a biomechanical machine. Watching content for its sole purpose of enjoyment is to be cut out. If you desire to create art, then study it intently and the mechanics behind it. If you want to be an actor or filmmaker, study film as a way of learning. If you try to invent, go to those respective fields and understand what people built before it. Everything that you know is eating up time from you should be cut out instantly.

Now I hope to have equipped the aspiring pursuer of an immortal, original, and great legacy with enough understanding of the very general traps and destroyers of your potential for achieving greatness which one may bump into in this modern world.. I have nothing more to say.

Tagging users who may find this useful:
@deadmanwalking @blackckatt @julianchicago @apemaxxed @StrangerDanger @PROMETHEUS @Muad'Dib @Tabula Rasa @NordicMaxxer @John Cracovizk

 

[HarrierDuBois]

@BrahminBoss and @DelonLover1999 I forgot to tag you as well.

 

[shieldzz]

not even a single molecule

 

[CarrotMaxxer]

give a tldr

 

[HarrierDuBois]

not even a single molecule

give a tldr

You will never be great. Can't read for 2 minutes but expect to change the world during a lifetime, good luck.

 

[shieldzz]

You will never be great. Can't read for 2 minutes but expect to change the world during a lifetime, good luck.

 

[grief]

this is a very good thread actually, nice to read and well structured. I just can't see the point of leaving a "legacy". besides having a big and healthy family in contact with nature, everything is surrogate activity

 

[mirrormogger]

good read but unfit for
this forum

 

[grief]

I love making music for example, when younger I'd cry from joy of doing it. but I don't do it for others, I just love the activity by itself so much

 

[cheerio]

read every molicule

 

[Brus Wane]

good read but unfit for
this forum

I appreciate such threads but you're right.

Room temperature IQ faggots asking for tldr and comments saying dnrd like wtf? Rep farming much?

@HarrierDuBois
good post OP

 

[HarrierDuBois]

this is a very good thread actually, nice to read and well structured. I just can't see the point of leaving a "legacy". besides having a big and healthy family in contact with nature, everything is surrogate activity

I see the appeal to have a family eventually, but I have also always had a fundamental desire to build an original legacy of my own. I don't have many people around me who can relate, on the internet I found a few, I noticed that to those relating it was inherent and they thoroughly understood all of it instantaneously. So you either have it or you don't, and the conviction of the opposite is not possible. It's like I said in a philosophical text I wrote a while back; "My entire life it is as if something inside me told me I was destined for significantly impacting the world around me, not in the sense of a false comfort or delusion, moreso a promise and prophecy where this future was non-negotiable. My own desire to live a normal life is being shot down in almost a threatening manner by my own mind explaining that my aspirations for a normal life are all useless since I will have to change the world one day and leave it all behind."

I love making music for example, when younger I'd cry from joy of doing it. but I don't do it for others, I just love the activity by itself so much

Keep doing it, do things which makes you happy if you like to do it for the activities sake. Honing skills can be relaxing as well at times. I'm not all work no play, it's just so many people are all play no work that I have to establish a boundary.

 

[HarrierDuBois]

I appreciate such threads but you're right.

Room temperature IQ faggots asking for tldr and comments saying dnrd like wtf? Rep farming much?

@HarrierDuBois
good post OP

Like I said, I make this content for those able to recieve it, ahead of time.

Also @Dr. Mog I think you will like it.

 

[grief]

I see the appeal to have a family eventually, but I have also always had a fundamental desire to build an original legacy of my own. I don't have many people around me who can relate, on the internet I found a few, I noticed that to those relating it was inherent and they thoroughly understood all of it instantaneously. So you either have it or you don't, and the conviction of the opposite is not possible. It's like I said in a philosophical text I wrote a while back; "My entire life it is as if something inside me told me I was destined for significantly impacting the world around me, not in the sense of a false comfort or delusion, moreso a promise and prophecy where this future was non-negotiable. My own desire to live a normal life is being shot down in almost a threatening manner by my own mind explaining that my aspirations for a normal life are all useless since I will have to change the world one day and leave it all behind."

Keep doing it, do things which makes you happy if you like to do it for the activities sake. Honing skills can be relaxing as well at times. I'm not all work no play, it's just so many people are all play no work that I have to establish a boundary.

do you believe in "do it from love, not for love" premise?

 

[HarrierDuBois]

do you believe in "do it from love, not for love" premise?

Yes definitely. Few things of quality are derived out of things done for acceptance or affirmation. Doing things out of genuine passion will more times than not lead to positive validation as well. Chase your dreams and people chase you. Chase people and you run away from your individuality.

 

[mirrormogger]

this is a very good thread actually, nice to read and well structured. I just can't see the point of leaving a "legacy". besides having a big and healthy family in contact with nature, everything is surrogate activity

i mean nobody will really remember your family past like 2 generations unless you’re the medici or something but even then most people don’t know about them jfl. Generally an individual is remembered and the fact that raphael slayed at parties while leonardo da vinci volcelled in his basement doesn’t change that the latter is a lot
more famous and respected for what he provided to modern science and medicine. JFL might not have plastic surgeries if not for him. meanwhile all raphael’s slaying does in the present is give art historians a joke to make.

 

[HarrierDuBois]

i mean nobody will really remember your family past like 2 generations unless you’re the medici or something but even then most people don’t know about them jfl. Generally an individual is remembered and the fact that raphael slayed at parties while leonardo da vinci volcelled in his basement doesn’t change that the latter is a lot
more famous and respected for what he provided to modern science and medicine. JFL might not have plastic surgeries if not for him. meanwhile all raphael’s slaying does in the present is give art historians a joke to make.

Legit, chad slays all his life then dies and is forgotten after 2 years the fuck. Then muh incels like Newton is taught to people by how immense his intellect was. Sex is important but not THAT important.

 

[grief]

Yes definitely. Few things of quality are derived out of things done for acceptance or affirmation. Doing things out of genuine passion will more times than not lead to positive validation as well. Chase your dreams and people chase you. Chase people and you run away from your individuality.

so i'll just keep making my noise and posting it in case someone wants to hear. i don't think about legacy at all, but I do love music. in fact, I don't think I can stop making it. I also don't think i'm gifted, destined to build something big, nothing like that. i grab the guitar and the mic and do it for fun. so i'm on the second group from your perspective?

 

[mirrormogger]

Legit, chad slays all his life then dies and is forgotten after 2 years the fuck. Then muh incels like Newton is taught to people by how immense his intellect is. Sex is important but not THAT important.

yeah most people on here are too fixated on either fucking a bunch of whores on tinder which is just unfulfilling in the end or getting a htb+ wife who they imagine will somehow make everything in their life right

 

[HarrierDuBois]

so i'll just keep making my noise and posting it in case someone wants to hear. i don't think about legacy at all, but I do love music. in fact, I don't think I can stop making it. I also don't think i'm gifted, destined to build something big, nothing like that. i grab the guitar and the mic and do it for fun. so i'm on the second group from your perspective?

Enjoying hobbies is what the second group does as well. I know many like that. The former group is completely consumed by an idea.

 

[grief]

i mean nobody will really remember your family past like 2 generations unless you’re the medici or something but even then most people don’t know about them jfl. Generally an individual is remembered and the fact that raphael slayed at parties while leonardo da vinci volcelled in his basement doesn’t change that the latter is a lot
more famous and respected for what he provided to modern science and medicine. JFL might not have plastic surgeries if not for him. meanwhile all raphael’s slaying does in the present is give art historians a joke to make.

your family is you. all my ancestors live through me, and I think this is beautiful by itself. I'm not fighting against you guys worldview, you do you. but all this concepts, like "changing the world", "leaving a legacy". it all sounds like vanity and ego, I just can't relate at all

 

[mirrormogger]

your family is you. all my ancestors live through me, and I think this is beautiful by itself. I'm not fighting against you guys worldview, you do you. but all this concepts, like "changing the world", "leaving a legacy". it all sounds like vanity and ego, I just can't relate at all

i’m not saying i have a desire to change the world, i’m too selfish lmao, for me, i want to make something i myself find beautiful. Unfortunately that bar keeps moving higher as i get past being able to draw or perform things i would have been content with in the past

 

[HarrierDuBois]

your family is you. all my ancestors live through me, and I think this is beautiful by itself. I'm not fighting against you guys worldview, you do you. but all this concepts, like "changing the world", "leaving a legacy". it all sounds like vanity and ego, I just can't relate at all

First of all, the entire point is that the people not consumed by the idea of achieving a legacy will not be able to relate. Second of all, in some cases it's vanity, in my case it's not predominantly vanity. I could go further into my real desire for what I desire to achieve and why but vanity is only a fraction of it.

 

[grief]

First of all, the entire point is that the people not consumed by the idea of achieving a legacy will not be able to relate. Second of all, in some cases it's vanity, in my case it's not predominantly vanity. I could go further into my real desire for what I desire to achieve and why but vanity is only a fraction of it.

I respect it, but for me, making mom and dad happy, playing guitar, finding a girl that is similar to me, having 3 or more children, raising them close to nature and dying peacefully sounds like a perfect plan and mogs any "legacy" i could dream of. guess your thread's point remains solid!

 

[HarrierDuBois]

I respect it, but for me, making mom and dad happy, playing guitar, finding a girl that is similar to me, having 3 or more children, raising them close to nature and dying peacefully sounds like a perfect plan and mogs any "legacy" i could dream of. guess your thread's point remains solid!

The most important thing to note is this; No side is right, no side is wrong, both are fulfilled by pursuing different objectives. I belong to the rarer one of the two and many (myself included) did not find many people and most of all a lot of advice to help me get a hold of the world around me and how to adjust myself to it. When your desires align with the desires of society you will live a smooth life. Not for me.

 

[grief]

The most important thing to note is this; No side is right, no side is wrong, both are fulfilled by pursuing different objectives. I belong to the rarer one of the two and many (myself included) did not find many people and most of all a lot of advice to help me get a hold of the world around me and how to adjust myself to it. When your desires align with the desires of society you will live a smooth life. Not for me.

I don't think my desires align very much with the society i'm included in. I'll have to take my own path in some way, but it's only for myself and family. I don't think about the whole world, humanity, these things.

 

[HarrierDuBois]

I don't think my desires align very much with the society i'm included in. I'll have to take my own path in some way, but it's only for myself and family. I don't think about the whole world, humanity, these things.

I wish you the best.

 

[grief]

I wish you the best.
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slavic pride worldwide
just gotta find my girl and start spawning more of us

 

[HarrierDuBois]

slavic pride worldwide
just gotta find my girl and start spawning more of us

I love slavic women.

 

[grief]

I love slavic women.

I love my people too!

 

[HarrierDuBois]

I love my people too!

Which country are you from?

 

[grief]

Which country are you from?

 

[HarrierDuBois]

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Mogs me that you can read Dostoevsky without translations.

 

[mirrormogger]

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isn’t that game set in finland?

 

[grief]

isn’t that game set in finland?

dunno but big ruski vibes

 

[livelifetofullest]

1. The capacity for original thought.
This skill is self explanatory, if you can do nothing but reiterating previous findings you will never create something original. Nothing is more pathetic than the man incapable of figuring out something original while thinking he will achieve greatness. Whatever legacy you pursue it must be original, be it an invention, a philosophy, or a piece of art.

agree with most, disagree with this. What’s more important than originality is execution. Many successful companies we know now are copies of original ideas with shitty execution. Not everything has to be original. Just with better execution and brand-marketing. At least in terms of being successful through business.

 

[HarrierDuBois]

agree with most, disagree with this. What’s more important than originality is execution. Many successful companies we know now are copies of original ideas with shitty execution. Not everything has to be original. Just with better execution and brand-marketing. At least in terms of being successful through business.

If you pursed commercial success then yes that would be a better metric, but that is not what my thread was speaking of. It spoke of achieving something original to you.

 

[Muad'Dib]

good thread

but i don’t really understand whats ur obsession in being remembered after you die, i personally wouldn’t want people talking about me after i die, you are in this for a short ride, enjoy it, you have got to let go of the desire to live forever, being content with with death is something everyone should make themselves comfortable with

on another note you’re legacy can be eternal (as long as civilization exists) only if you contribute something extraordinary to any science, like for example having a math theorem named after you

also if you have lets say a math theorem named after you, whats the point then honestly

 

[John Cracovizk]

Destroyers of the Potential For Legacy

Why I chose this name is important to note, it's a distinction from "Destroyers of Legacy". Destroyers of legacy come in many shapes and forms and have already been established many times on how to be dealt with. But if you want to achieve greatness you must choke the threat down by its beginning, most great people die before becoming great, just imagine how many great people were lost due to being choked down from becoming who they were meant to be. Hence why my guide is called "Destroyers of the Potential For Legacy".

These are my insights into what hinders men from achieving an immortal, great, and original legacy. See this as a miniature The Prince by Niccoló Machiavelli, instead of showing you what mistakes to avoid and how to rule a kingdom, I will show you what mistakes to avoid and how to rule yourself by creating something original.
I start this off by saying, this is only a guide for those inherently comprehending what I am about to say. This desire can not be given from one man to another, you must be born with the desire for a legacy.

Prelude

What do you value more?

Do you value achieving an original immortal legacy OR living as the average normal man with a 9-5, wife and kids, and then being content?

I have noticed that the individuals of the former group are few and far between, they are so thoroughly consumed by the idea of achieving something original that nothing comes in the way of it. The people of the latter group comprise the majority of the population. There is nothing wrong with belonging to it, we can't all be introspective thinkers trying to change the world, isolating ourselves from the rest, and looking into a future other people are unaware of. One thing I noticed is that no amount of rationalization or explanation can make people of the latter group COMPREHEND this fundamental desire.
If you don't relate to what I just spoke of, stop reading here since you are of the masses; Enjoy your wife, children, and 9-5, I wish you the best, sincerely.

Now for those of you who need advice on how not to fall into a pit if you are desiring to achieve greatness, achieve an immortal, original, and great legacy.
It doesn't matter if you desire to invent a technology, become a philosopher, or create beautiful art. I am here for all my spiritual vagrants.

That's a very good question everyone should ask themselves, could be a hard question, remembered of the movie: The Last Temptation of Christ (1988). Faced with the choice you gave, tbh, I don't think any of them satisfy me. I don't want to live the average normal life and work until I'm 65 living paycheck to paycheck, but I also don't care about having an immortal legacy...

Like, I don't care about fame or if normies in the future will remember me, I just want to break chains that hold me and be free (financial, spiritual, health and etc). I think the breaking of some of these chains (which include those I want to help chains as well) may have lasting and resonating impact in the society... But it's more of a tool to an end or side effect than an end goal, and I advice yall who identify with the first answer, remember: whatever you do, the main reward will be in activity itself. You need to love what you're doing. Fuck society, fuck lasting impact, it's only you and your art. Reach your ever lasting ecstasy by doing what you love, others may see or may not see the value, but who cares about them? Maybe you'll find people who understand you and find value, but if you done what you love, done in such a way that just the activity itself was a reward, it doesn't matter.

I: The ingredients required for an immortal, great, and original legacy

Not everyone will even have a built in desire to achieve a great legacy, and for those that do you must have certain aspects of your personhood to help you on the way. To try and build a legacy as a man of low sentience is like trying to run a marathon as a cripple. You either have it or you don't.
Here are my findings on the three core qualities necessary in order of establishing an immortal, great, and original legacy. Whether the legacy is for you or for others doesn't matter.

1. The capacity for original thought.
This skill is self explanatory, if you can do nothing but reiterating previous findings you will never create something original. Nothing is more pathetic than the man incapable of figuring out something original while thinking he will achieve greatness. Whatever legacy you pursue it must be original, be it an invention, a philosophy, or a piece of art.

2. The ability to extract and draw immense amounts of insight, wisdom, and ideas out of surprisingly little information, experience, and stimuli.
This is a skill I never see spoken of anywhere, but it is absolutely necessary for anyone trying to achieve something new. It reminds me of what Lex Luthor said; the separation of normies and historical figures: "Some people can read War and Peace and come away thinking it's a simple adventure story. Others can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe." How can the inventor see what technology is necessary and demanded, the philosopher figure out what the world needs to learn and realize, and the artist figure out what people need to feel and express, if not for this skill helping them understand more of the world around them than everyone else.

3. The skill of articulating your connected findings.
It does not matter how many impressionistic conceptual ideas you can come up with if none of them can ever come out of your mouth or onto a paper. I have had so many glimpses of conceptual greatness lost into the abyss because I couldn't find the right words to put them down into the world. Whether this is an invention, a philosophical insight, or a premise for a story, if you can't portray what you see in your mind you will never let it into the world.

Those are all valuable skills, I agree fully with you, the only way of getting through all of this is through deception (A.K.A. stealing other's invention credit).

II: Understand that you are different

As I stated previously; "no amount of rationalization or explanation can make people of the latter group COMPREHEND this fundamental desire."
The opposite of this holds true, and be sure to face that fact, just how you can't convince them to strive for an ideal they will feed you with propaganda to move within the framework since they are equally as alien to you as you are to them. Only difference is you are not the majority, so you are wrong. You are wrong until you are right, and it is your type of people that tends to be right, see so far into the future at something hidden to others that they deem you crazy, meanwhile 100 years later understanding that you were right. Whether your technology revolutionizes the world, your insights shake peoples worldviews, or your art touches the hearts of the world, you will do it because you are different, not because you are like the rest.

Just how Nikola Tesla invented alternating current, how Friedrich Nietzsche predicted how the world would react to losing God from their status quo, and how Fyodor Dostoevsky back in Russia predicted the entire lifespan and arc of communism in Demons, these thinkers will in their lifespans be seen as crazy but time will always prove them right. My conclusion and advice here for you reading is to not be ashamed of being different, the peer pressure and desire to fit in may be strong in times of uncertainty. When you see everyone happy with living the way they do you might just lie to yourself enough that you believe that their path is the right for you as well. Or even worse you may start thinking something is wrong with you. But it is when you conform to normalcy that you lose your aspiration to achieve originality. Do not ever let the masses convince you that it's better to suppress your unique worldview just because it does not fit in. Fitting in means to chop off the pieces of your silhouette that are not shaped as the mold is, but those pieces may be made out of gold.

Yeah, the average men will be happy with the first proposal you gave. Unfortunetly, even the first one is getting harder and harder every year lol, so I respect whoever achieves that goal as well. Now, the question comes to me: you, who is reading this and chose the second, are you following it just because the first one isn't that accessible anymore? Be honest, if you just had to work and stud and once you're 25, you get a virgin wife, children, a home and a decent job. You wouldn't be happy? Because Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, Da Vinci, maybe even Tesla, all could have had this only if they wanted to, but they were so hypnotized by their art that they just didn't care

Don't be afraid of questioning yourself, you probably will do that a lot in your life and path.

III: Women, jobs, and other distractions

I know some will now see this and think: "They (the great originals) were incels who couldn't get laid and you are coping!" As if hedonism and sex will ever be the peak of any existence (hypocrisy, since as I stated at the start of this guide that hedonism and sex is the peak existence for the vast majority and that most will be content with something lesser, but if they did not leave at the first disclaimer, then this is the second and last). Everything that is at its peak in the moment of the existence's conception is unworthy of being remembered. Things that gain value with age are the things worth clinging to, whether these be inventions being improved upon, philosophy getting expanded upon, or art getting thoroughly understood and enjoyed as it was intended to. Things improving as they age are the things that a great, original thinker should look for.

I can see the point of criticism, because now that the second answer is way harder than in the past, some can say that you just chose the first one because it's "easier and distant". But I agree, if someone think hedonism and sex (without any connection) are peak of existence, that's just sad tbh. Building something (a family, a legacy, a career, even a meaningful relationship) is way better than just short term pleasure.

Women are dangerous. That is as simple as I can get. Women are incredibly dangerous. The amount of men my age who got a woman in their lives and lost all aspiration, along with their looks, just a few years afterwards made me very cautious of women. I now reject all female attention given me, I have rejected multiple relationships from taking a bite into my dream. Seeing what it did to those around me made me understand that if you desire to achieve greatness, you must ONLY allow a woman into your life AFTER your legacy has already been established. Remember, despite your difference and capacity for original thought along with the rest of your skills, you are merely a man of flesh and blood. If you get a woman early in your life she will sedate you with her loving feminine touch and you will fall into an indolent coma where you grow blind to your concepts. Vipers. Although there are exceptions, you should be safe rather than sorry.

Even the most genius men turn into idiots once they're in love. Search for: Évariste Galois. Also, once you have children, a family, you'll have way more responsability and it becomes easier to fall into lethargy to stop following you dreams/goals. Woman are pure luxury, there's always a cost.

Jobs are restrictive. They call it wageslaving for a reason. What you sell is your time. I have none other to speak about this than the poet Charles Bukowski in an interview he did:

"Barbet Schroeder: You say that starving doesn’t create art, that it creates many things, but mainly creates time.
Charles Bukowski: Oh yeah, well, hey that’s very basic. I hate to use up your film to say this, but you know, if you work an eight hour job, you’re gonna get 55 cents an hour. If you stay home you’re not going to get any money, but you’re gonna have time to write things down on paper. I guess I was one of those rarities of our modern times who did starve for his art. I really starved, you know, to have a 24 hour day un-intruded upon by other people. I gave up food, I gave up everything, just to – I was a nut, I was dedicated. But you see, the problem is, you can be a dedicated nut and not be able to do it. Dedication without talent is useless."

To choke up your time and most of all dedication into a job will steal so much of your time and dreams. You must decide whether it is really worth it to make money at a steady rate instead of working towards your goal.

The difference between the normie and the pursuer of legacy is that when you give the normie unlimited resources he will use them to increase the hedonism in his life by allowing himself to get more eaten up and engrained by the world around him than ever before. But when you give the pursuer of legacy unlimited resources he will put it all towards his ideas so that he can engrain himself more into the world than ever before. That is the distinction.

I think the counter of this is if you find a way to monetize whatever you do/wants to do, but let's be honest, at least in the beginning, you'll have to work with something. The main mistake you can make here is dedicating yourself into improving your career (like, if you work in a supermarket, working hard and studying to become a manager) instead of just using it as a means to an end (pay bills so you can do what you love).

Now for the other distractions, this is everything not related to women in your life or work. Things that eat up your time and mind will make you focus on things other than that which you should focus on. This is more important in this age than ever, there is no time in history where distractions will take up as much of your time as now. There has never before been a time in history where you have been offered as many distractions as now. Whether it's porn, video games, scrolling social media. All of these things will eat up your time, time is your most valuable resource. Delete every app from your phone that is not necessary. Stop scrolling.

I'd argue hobbies that aren't helping you specifically are to be cut out as well. All sports should be cut out of your schedule. Only physical training such as cardio and hypertrophy alternatively strength training should be allowed time of day since these increase your intelligence and capabilities as a biomechanical machine. Watching content for its sole purpose of enjoyment is to be cut out. If you desire to create art, then study it intently and the mechanics behind it. If you want to be an actor or filmmaker, study film as a way of learning. If you try to invent, go to those respective fields and understand what people built before it. Everything that you know is eating up time from you should be cut out instantly.

Now I hope to have equipped the aspiring pursuer of an immortal, original, and great legacy with enough understanding of the very general traps and destroyers of your potential for achieving greatness which one may bump into in this modern world.. I have nothing more to say.

You said everything here, whatever your goal is, the greater it is, there'll be sacrifices that are gonna be needed. But I advice you to first cut those things that are destructive and add nothing (porn and social media), then, cut for periods of time things you enjoy outside your activity. Because I think some hobbies, like reading books, playing a single player game, can give you insights and creativity that could be game changers while relaxing you. And well, your life is there to be enjoyed as well, just don't over do it. I really think even Da Vinci enjoyed himself with a cup of wine or went to the theater to watch a play sometimes (I know that Austrian guy used to do this lmao).

 

[Muad'Dib]

either way you remind me of people like Caesar and such lol, they also chased greatness, if you really want to be great and have a legacy i think you will do so tbh

 

[HarrierDuBois]

@Ragnar read this as well.

 

[not.curry]

Destroyers of the Potential For Legacy

Why I chose this name is important to note, it's a distinction from "Destroyers of Legacy". Destroyers of legacy come in many shapes and forms and have already been established many times on how to be dealt with. But if you want to achieve greatness you must choke the threat down by its beginning, most great people die before becoming great, just imagine how many great people were lost due to being choked down from becoming who they were meant to be. Hence why my guide is called "Destroyers of the Potential For Legacy".

These are my insights into what hinders men from achieving an immortal, great, and original legacy. See this as a miniature The Prince by Niccoló Machiavelli, instead of showing you what mistakes to avoid and how to rule a kingdom, I will show you what mistakes to avoid and how to rule yourself by creating something original.
I start this off by saying, this is only a guide for those inherently comprehending what I am about to say. This desire can not be given from one man to another, you must be born with the desire for a legacy.

Prelude

What do you value more?

Do you value achieving an original immortal legacy OR living as the average normal man with a 9-5, wife and kids, and then being content?

I have noticed that the individuals of the former group are few and far between, they are so thoroughly consumed by the idea of achieving something original that nothing comes in the way of it. The people of the latter group comprise the majority of the population. There is nothing wrong with belonging to it, we can't all be introspective thinkers trying to change the world, isolating ourselves from the rest, and looking into a future other people are unaware of. One thing I noticed is that no amount of rationalization or explanation can make people of the latter group COMPREHEND this fundamental desire.
If you don't relate to what I just spoke of, stop reading here since you are of the masses; Enjoy your wife, children, and 9-5, I wish you the best, sincerely.

Now for those of you who need advice on how not to fall into a pit if you are desiring to achieve greatness, achieve an immortal, original, and great legacy.
It doesn't matter if you desire to invent a technology, become a philosopher, or create beautiful art. I am here for all my spiritual vagrants.

I: The ingredients required for an immortal, great, and original legacy

Not everyone will even have a built in desire to achieve a great legacy, and for those that do you must have certain aspects of your personhood to help you on the way. To try and build a legacy as a man of low sentience is like trying to run a marathon as a cripple. You either have it or you don't.
Here are my findings on the three core qualities necessary in order of establishing an immortal, great, and original legacy. Whether the legacy is for you or for others doesn't matter.

1. The capacity for original thought.
This skill is self explanatory, if you can do nothing but reiterating previous findings you will never create something original. Nothing is more pathetic than the man incapable of figuring out something original while thinking he will achieve greatness. Whatever legacy you pursue it must be original, be it an invention, a philosophy, or a piece of art.

2. The ability to extract and draw immense amounts of insight, wisdom, and ideas out of surprisingly little information, experience, and stimuli.
This is a skill I never see spoken of anywhere, but it is absolutely necessary for anyone trying to achieve something new. It reminds me of what Lex Luthor said; the separation of normies and historical figures: "Some people can read War and Peace and come away thinking it's a simple adventure story. Others can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe." How can the inventor see what technology is necessary and demanded, the philosopher figure out what the world needs to learn and realize, and the artist figure out what people need to feel and express, if not for this skill helping them understand more of the world around them than everyone else.

3. The skill of articulating your connected findings.
It does not matter how many impressionistic conceptual ideas you can come up with if none of them can ever come out of your mouth or onto a paper. I have had so many glimpses of conceptual greatness lost into the abyss because I couldn't find the right words to put them down into the world. Whether this is an invention, a philosophical insight, or a premise for a story, if you can't portray what you see in your mind you will never let it into the world.

II: Understand that you are different

As I stated previously; "no amount of rationalization or explanation can make people of the latter group COMPREHEND this fundamental desire."
The opposite of this holds true, and be sure to face that fact, just how you can't convince them to strive for an ideal they will feed you with propaganda to move within the framework since they are equally as alien to you as you are to them. Only difference is you are not the majority, so you are wrong. You are wrong until you are right, and it is your type of people that tends to be right, see so far into the future at something hidden to others that they deem you crazy, meanwhile 100 years later understanding that you were right. Whether your technology revolutionizes the world, your insights shake peoples worldviews, or your art touches the hearts of the world, you will do it because you are different, not because you are like the rest.

Just how Nikola Tesla invented alternating current, how Friedrich Nietzsche predicted how the world would react to losing God from their status quo, and how Fyodor Dostoevsky back in Russia predicted the entire lifespan and arc of communism in Demons, these thinkers will in their lifespans be seen as crazy but time will always prove them right. My conclusion and advice here for you reading is to not be ashamed of being different, the peer pressure and desire to fit in may be strong in times of uncertainty. When you see everyone happy with living the way they do you might just lie to yourself enough that you believe that their path is the right for you as well. Or even worse you may start thinking something is wrong with you. But it is when you conform to normalcy that you lose your aspiration to achieve originality. Do not ever let the masses convince you that it's better to suppress your unique worldview just because it does not fit in. Fitting in means to chop off the pieces of your silhouette that are not shaped as the mold is, but those pieces may be made out of gold.

III: Women, jobs, and other distractions

I know some will now see this and think: "They (the great originals) were incels who couldn't get laid and you are coping!" As if hedonism and sex will ever be the peak of any existence (hypocrisy, since as I stated at the start of this guide that hedonism and sex is the peak existence for the vast majority and that most will be content with something lesser, but if they did not leave at the first disclaimer, then this is the second and last). Everything that is at its peak in the moment of the existence's conception is unworthy of being remembered. Things that gain value with age are the things worth clinging to, whether these be inventions being improved upon, philosophy getting expanded upon, or art getting thoroughly understood and enjoyed as it was intended to. Things improving as they age are the things that a great, original thinker should look for.

Women are dangerous. That is as simple as I can get. Women are incredibly dangerous. The amount of men my age who got a woman in their lives and lost all aspiration, along with their looks, just a few years afterwards made me very cautious of women. I now reject all female attention given me, I have rejected multiple relationships from taking a bite into my dream. Seeing what it did to those around me made me understand that if you desire to achieve greatness, you must ONLY allow a woman into your life AFTER your legacy has already been established. Remember, despite your difference and capacity for original thought along with the rest of your skills, you are merely a man of flesh and blood. If you get a woman early in your life she will sedate you with her loving feminine touch and you will fall into an indolent coma where you grow blind to your concepts. Vipers. Although there are exceptions, you should be safe rather than sorry.

Jobs are restrictive. They call it wageslaving for a reason. What you sell is your time. I have none other to speak about this than the poet Charles Bukowski in an interview he did:

"Barbet Schroeder: You say that starving doesn’t create art, that it creates many things, but mainly creates time.
Charles Bukowski: Oh yeah, well, hey that’s very basic. I hate to use up your film to say this, but you know, if you work an eight hour job, you’re gonna get 55 cents an hour. If you stay home you’re not going to get any money, but you’re gonna have time to write things down on paper. I guess I was one of those rarities of our modern times who did starve for his art. I really starved, you know, to have a 24 hour day un-intruded upon by other people. I gave up food, I gave up everything, just to – I was a nut, I was dedicated. But you see, the problem is, you can be a dedicated nut and not be able to do it. Dedication without talent is useless."

To choke up your time and most of all dedication into a job will steal so much of your time and dreams. You must decide whether it is really worth it to make money at a steady rate instead of working towards your goal.

The difference between the normie and the pursuer of legacy is that when you give the normie unlimited resources he will use them to increase the hedonism in his life by allowing himself to get more eaten up and engrained by the world around him than ever before. But when you give the pursuer of legacy unlimited resources he will put it all towards his ideas so that he can engrain himself more into the world than ever before. That is the distinction.

Now for the other distractions, this is everything not related to women in your life or work. Things that eat up your time and mind will make you focus on things other than that which you should focus on. This is more important in this age than ever, there is no time in history where distractions will take up as much of your time as now. There has never before been a time in history where you have been offered as many distractions as now. Whether it's porn, video games, scrolling social media. All of these things will eat up your time, time is your most valuable resource. Delete every app from your phone that is not necessary. Stop scrolling.

I'd argue hobbies that aren't helping you specifically are to be cut out as well. All sports should be cut out of your schedule. Only physical training such as cardio and hypertrophy alternatively strength training should be allowed time of day since these increase your intelligence and capabilities as a biomechanical machine. Watching content for its sole purpose of enjoyment is to be cut out. If you desire to create art, then study it intently and the mechanics behind it. If you want to be an actor or filmmaker, study film as a way of learning. If you try to invent, go to those respective fields and understand what people built before it. Everything that you know is eating up time from you should be cut out instantly.

Now I hope to have equipped the aspiring pursuer of an immortal, original, and great legacy with enough understanding of the very general traps and destroyers of your potential for achieving greatness which one may bump into in this modern world.. I have nothing more to say.

Tagging users who may find this useful:
@deadmanwalking @blackckatt @julianchicago @apemaxxed @StrangerDanger @PROMETHEUS @Muad'Dib @Tabula Rasa @NordicMaxxer @John Cracovizk

Well written. Regarding spending your life according to your ideals and principles, no matter how different they are than others, I totally agree with you that we must take this path.

However, what I fail to understand is why should one care about how people will think of him after his death?

The way I see it, no matter how much someone loves you, cares for you, admires you or respects you, if you cannot experience this or atleast know about this then it's totally useless. I would much rather have a wife and some kids who love me instead of being remembered as the greatest man in history while not receiving any love or respect while alive.

Now of course, if you want to have a legacy so that in the future people may benefit from your ideas/inventions then I understand as I believe in doing good and receiving good (although in a different way).

 

[BootySniffer69]

DNR

bookmarked will read later

 

[HarrierDuBois]

That's a very good question everyone should ask themselves, could be a hard question, remembered of the movie: The Last Temptation of Christ (1988). Faced with the choice you gave, tbh, I don't think any of them satisfy me. I don't want to live the average normal life and work until I'm 65 living paycheck to paycheck, but I also don't care about having an immortal legacy...

Like, I don't care about fame or if normies in the future will remember me, I just want to break chains that hold me and be free (financial, spiritual, health and etc). I think the breaking of some of these chains (which include those I want to help chains as well) may have lasting and resonating impact in the society... But it's more of a tool to an end or side effect than an end goal, and I advice yall who identify with the first answer, remember: whatever you do, the main reward will be in activity itself. You need to love what you're doing. Fuck society, fuck lasting impact, it's only you and your art. Reach your ever lasting ecstasy by doing what you love, others may see or may not see the value, but who cares about them? Maybe you'll find people who understand you and find value, but if you done what you love, done in such a way that just the activity itself was a reward, it doesn't matter.

I also pursue legacy from the POV of my personal enjoyment rather than validation, could get deeper into the true desires some other time. But part of becoming who I'm meant to be will change the world in the process.

Those are all valuable skills, I agree fully with you, the only way of getting through all of this is through deception (A.K.A. stealing other's invention credit).

Good for commercial success, not anything individualistic though.

Yeah, the average men will be happy with the first proposal you gave. Unfortunetly, even the first one is getting harder and harder every year lol, so I respect whoever achieves that goal as well. Now, the question comes to me: you, who is reading this and chose the second, are you following it just because the first one isn't that accessible anymore? Be honest, if you just had to work and stud and once you're 25, you get a virgin wife, children, a home and a decent job. You wouldn't be happy? Because Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, Da Vinci, maybe even Tesla, all could have had this only if they wanted to, but they were so hypnotized by their art that they just didn't care

Don't be afraid of questioning yourself, you probably will do that a lot in your life and path.

Damn I really love the marked sentence you wrote. Very insightful and something most people gloss over when denying the desire or even relevance of the first group. Many just did not become who they wanted to gave up along the way so they project and call the great ones losers for not achieving the life they themselves have, consisting of socially acceptable stability.

I can see the point of criticism, because now that the second answer is way harder than in the past, some can say that you just chose the first one because it's "easier and distant". But I agree, if someone think hedonism and sex (without any connection) are peak of existence, that's just sad tbh. Building something (a family, a legacy, a career, even a meaningful relationship) is way better than just short term pleasure.

Yes nowadays even turning into what was the standard 50 years ago is an achievement in itself. It is true. Many people are too brainwashed, short attention span, afraid of commitment. So they think hedonism is a good life.

Even the most genius men turn into idiots once they're in love. Search for: Évariste Galois. Also, once you have children, a family, you'll have way more responsability and it becomes easier to fall into lethargy to stop following you dreams/goals. Woman are pure luxury, there's always a cost.

Spot on, this is most likely my most controversial opinion I uphold regarding this subject. It's a sacrifice and truth most will not allow into their lives. A woman will desire commitment which will draw more time and energy from you than you can imagine. Seeing normies my age descend incredibly fast after getting a gf scared the shit out of me. But remember, none is right or wrong, putting all your energy into your wife and kids is equally as admirable of a pursuit as a legacy is. But this guide is for those looking for the invisible.

I think the counter of this is if you find a way to monetize whatever you do/wants to do, but let's be honest, at least in the beginning, you'll have to work with something. The main mistake you can make here is dedicating yourself into improving your career (like, if you work in a supermarket, working hard and studying to become a manager) instead of just using it as a means to an end (pay bills so you can do what you love).

Ideally you should work with something that already is connected to your legacy. Perfect if you're building a company and work in it, two birds one stone. Same for artists. For others they must (especially in youth) uphold jobs but my main point (which you received) is to avoid deadend jobs that just take up time.

You said everything here, whatever your goal is, the greater it is, there'll be sacrifices that are gonna be needed. But I advice you to first cut those things that are destructive and add nothing (porn and social media), then, cut for periods of time things you enjoy outside your activity. Because I think some hobbies, like reading books, playing a single player game, can give you insights and creativity that could be game changers while relaxing you. And well, your life is there to be enjoyed as well, just don't over do it. I really think even Da Vinci enjoyed himself with a cup of wine or went to the theater to watch a play sometimes (I know that Austrian guy used to do this lmao).

Yes you are right, finding balance, things you enjoy that make you relax, and things that stabilize you are important as well. But things which are neither good nor bad or just bad are to be cut out. One generally needs balance to improve as well. But instead of binging a show and eating junk food between pursuit one could read philosophy or exercise.

Very good reflections and fair critiques bringing up new questions. I appreciate it.

 

[blackckatt]

Gread thread bhai, remind me why am happy, and why retard npc around me are always sad and lost, compensate their sadness with consomation and other delusional "Hobbies"

 

[ThomasJefferson]

Good post, reminisce of the posts I used to see that made me want to join

 

[NationalWarrior]

damn, seems a cool post, will def read later. Do you have any more posts worth reading? Also tag me in future related posts, would def appreciate.

 

[HarrierDuBois]

damn, seems a cool post, will def read later. Do you have any more posts worth reading? Also tag me in future related posts, would def appreciate.

This is probably my most extensive thread made.

Guide To Understanding Perceived Behaviours In Faces - Heroic/Safe/Good vs Villainous/Mysterious/Bad

This thread is going to be about something quite unexplored, although very important, especially for a looksmaxxer. When people look at your face they obviously see your looks level which will dictate how they treat you. But they also read a perceived behaviour from your face. This is just as...

looksmax.org

 

[Deleted member 65499]

roeder: You say that starving doesn’t create art, that it creates many things, but mainly creates time.
Charles Bukowski: Oh yeah, well, hey that’s very basic. I hate to use up your film to say this, but you know, if you work an eight hour job, you’re gonna get 55 cents an hour. If you stay home you’re not going to get any money, but you’re gonna have time to write things down on paper. I guess I was one of those rarities of our modern times who did starve for his art. I really starved, you know, to have a 24 hour day un-intruded upon by other people. I gave up food, I gave up everything, just to – I was a nut, I was ded

This is always what i have been thinking but it was so hard for me to put into words

we have a familiar mind my friend. although you might see my status as a greycel i aspire to become famous.

i have blocked all friends and family. and i am considered crazy

 

[HarrierDuBois]

This is always what i have been thinking but it was so hard for me to put into words

we have a familiar mind my friend. although you might see my status as a greycel i aspire to become famous.

i have blocked all friends and family. and i am considered crazy

Good to hear you managed to get something out of my thread, that was the purpose. If as much as one single persons life was slightly relieved by it then I'm content.

I was greycel once and my competence did not exponentially grow with how many posts I racked up. Some of the most intelligent people on the forum are greycel or similar blue ranges.

Most on this forum are only obsessed with sex and slaying, very very few have an innate desire to achieve a legacy. So don't spend too much time on here unless you have your goals and plan set out for you because you may get a blurred vision on what you're doing. For me my desire for looks is only a means to an end within my plan.