DHT MAXING - ULTIMATE GUIDE

[VrillFatNoob24]

jfl

no good reason to ever “DHT max”, even in puberty.

literally voice deepening, if it suits your pheno facial hair, strongwr as its way more androgenic than test, without it in puberty you might aswell cut off your dick as it will be very short to non exisrtent, i dont know why you hate dht so much, and the ar gene (or wathever is it) is not common in asians country altough you could debate that it has siglithly higher on white people (read also the benefits Op has mentioned, and it has many sides too but the ratio go pro : cons is better)

 

[chadisbeingmade]

literally voice deepening, if it suits your pheno facial hair, strongwr as its way more androgenic than test, without it in puberty you might aswell cut off your dick as it will be very short to non exisrtent, i dont know why you hate dht so much, and the ar gene (or wathever is it) is not common in asians country altough you could debate that it has siglithly higher on white people (read also the benefits Op has mentioned, and it has many sides too but the ratio go pro : cons is better)

I did not say DHT is worthless in puberty. I said DHT maxing is worthless. If you are going down the rabbit hole of “puberty maxing” there are much stronger androgens than DHT that are also anabolic. DHT is worthless in puberty insofar you are willing to experiment with those androgens.

 

[VrillFatNoob24]

I did not say DHT is worthless in puberty. I said DHT maxing is worthless. If you are going down the rabbit hole of “puberty maxing” there are much stronger androgens than DHT that are also anabolic.

Oh then i must have mis read, All good

 

[Healthmax01]

Where can I source Dht gel for cheap

 

[shivers]

don’t forget to check your balls for vericocele

 

[tyl]

i've mentioned things that are legit, don't ever comment 'boron' or things like 'DHEA' cause they increases estrogen and speaking of input/reward ratio, you are likely going to lose.

How does boron increase estrogen

 

[tyl]

So should I take mesterolone

 

[afkaik]

why has no one removed this shit thread again i megadosed ashwagandha and had severe acne because of this thread

 

[repulse]

why has no one removed this shit thread again i megadosed ashwagandha and had severe acne because of this thread

thats just because of ur subhuman genetics

 

[Aryan Incel]

why has no one removed this shit thread again i megadosed ashwagandha and had severe acne because of this thread

Why would you take Ashwaganda

 

[afkaik]

thats just because of ur subhuman genetics

stopped it and had clear skin for a while bruh dht is shit

 

[repulse]

stopped it and had clear skin for a while bruh dht is shit

like i said shit genetics, dht is very crucial in puberty but afterwards no real need for it but that doesnt mean everyone has to nuke it just because some users on this forum have subhuman genetics and will norwood to hell and get acne

 

[afkaik]

like i said shit genetics, dht is very crucial in puberty but afterwards no real need for it but that doesnt mean everyone has to nuke it just because some users on this forum have subhuman genetics and will norwood to hell and get acne

Very true. I got a super deep voice compared to my father thx to this guide.

 

[repulse]

Very true. I got a super deep voice compared to my father thx to this guide.

really or u just trolling ?

 

[mila67]

So you want to increase your DHT? Say no more fella, cause i'm about to drop another banger.. let's begin:

DHT BENEFITS

​

• IN THE WOMB

- The amount of DHT receptors you'll going to have is predetermined in the womb
- Wrist size, ankle size, and bone antropometry in general is affected by DHT to an extend
- As the whole endocrine system is forming, not only DHT, but the amount of IGF-1, Gh, Testosterone/Estrogen receptors... are forming (Important for later)
- Prenatal T might be of a accurate indicator that we have high DHT

• IN PUBERTY

- It promotes masculinization of the face, growth of the jaw, hunter eyes appearance, brow ridge growth... and a big tall chin
- It can increase your dick size DRAMATICALLY, talking about few more inches
- DHT extends puberty. You can have benefits of the longer puberty
- You can grow facial hair earlier than the others.
- Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
- Frame growth
- Higher DHT is responsible for 'logical' thinking, so you're thinking better (maturity), and sudden low inhib is result of that

• IN ADULTHDOOD

- DHT helps keep your growth plates open by antagonizing estrogen. Instead of your plates fusing at 19, you might probably extend it to 25.
- Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
- You can still grow facial hair if you expose yourself to DHT later in life.
- In late puberty (17- 19), you can still deepen your voice to some extend.
- (ANECDOTAL) Some people reported growth of their frame

HOW TO INCREASE DHT

​

* Don't choose SARMS, cause they promote no androgen activity. Nandrolone derivarives don't cause balding but DHT derivarives are superior for ENCHANCING DHT specifically.

DOSAGES

Dosages depends on 50 - 250mg, remember the more the higher risk. idk which roid is better for what but my man explained it well for me:

View attachment 509249


...NATURALLY?

i've mentioned things that are legit, don't ever comment 'boron' or things like 'DHEA' cause they increases estrogen and speaking of input/reward ratio, you are likely going to lose.
​

Blue = DHT​

Green = Testosterone​

Red = AVOID​

​

- Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors) @EternalLearner is taking this herb and he reported some benefits

- Taking Creatine, which supposedly increases DHT production by 50％ more itself, there are studies proving this, creatine is cheap supplement, and best you can get the most out of (Speaking of androgenmaxxing).

- Taking L-Carnitine, it sensitize the androgen receptors. Carnitine occurs naturally in meats and fish.

- Megadose Vit E, about 500mg/day, it is proven to reduce prolactin levels bu 70％, i'm going to talk about this in nofap section, just another estrogen acumulating over time causing bitch tits gynecomastia...

- Taking ashwagandha - plant that is reducing cortisol (Which further increases testosterone which is gonna be convertable to DHT later...), ashwagandha supress prolactin levels by like 15％ i recall.

- Lifting weights, hit atleast 2 bodyparts per day, and supplement magnesium after your workouts to lower cortisol. Don't go too intense because it might put your body under 'stress' mode, which will only increase cortisol and burn off additional calories - ⚠ IMPORTANT. If you want to lose weights, you are screwing your testosterone production, because like i said, you don't have the foundation to produce your hormones, even if you do something weightloss for your body:

- Starving yourself, doing high intensity workouts, sweating... It's all bad for your body and will make up bunch of cortisol because your body is on 'survival' mode methaporically speaking, and it's not looking up to preserve muscle, or hormones.

Spoiler: Proof

DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)

WE WANT AS LEAST CORTISOL AS POSSIBLE

* To avoid high intensity, don't do supersets between compound excercises, and give yourself respectable amount of rest

- Exposing yourself to estrogens, should i even mention this one? AVOID estrogens at all cost. Entering puberty with high estrogen = kill yourself.

- Sleep 7-9 hours, or even more, this is just an ideal range. It's best to go to sleep at 9PM because of natural melatonin production, but it's just worth mentioning right, not many people will do this. If you have trouble sleeping:
- Turn off your cellphone, or you can use it to watch some movies which will tire your eyes (Always worked for me )

- For better sleep, supplement with:

• Valerian root extract
• Chamomile root extract
• Mucuna pruriens extract
• ------------------------------------------------
• Delta sleep inducing peptide

Those are some herbs i can tell are legit for calming your body and they make you fall asleep. DSIP is mentioned here, give it a look

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

STUDIES

Spoiler: Penis

Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment

View attachment 509079
In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above

Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,

sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175



Study #2
To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively

The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks

Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3

Spoiler: Secondary sexual characteristics

Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.

Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)

after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased

Study number 2

Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416

For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)

Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks

Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.

INTERESTING STUFF

​

1. This is example of person with high DHT but 0 androgen receptors, that's why you wanna make sure you take L carnitine along your hormonemax supplements, remember it activates adrogen receptors

Spoiler: Example

View attachment 509216

2. Many ethnics (Middle east, north Africa, Persian area...) have high DHT production but low sensitivity to it. That's why they can grow beard earlier, and they have quite body hair. Indian subcontinent being the worst, having the lowest DHT / IGF-1 that comes with race, so they're balding, having pitch voices, short... Which totally makes DHT useless at this point to them.

Spoiler: INDIANS VS OTHERS

Mean lean muscle mass (kg)

black males = 65.6kg
White males = 62 kg
Hispanic males = 59.9 kg
Asian males = 59.6 kg
Indian males = 53.3 kg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc...

At any given body fat mass value, South Asians had significantly less lean mass than each of the three other groups after adjustment for age, height, humerus breadth, smoking status, physical activity, and diet. Aboriginal, Chinese, and European men had 3.42 kg [95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.55–5.29], 3.01 kg (95% CI = 1.33–4.70), and 3.57 kg (95% CI = 1.82–5.33) more lean mass than South Asian men at a given total fat mass, respectively"

Ethnic Variation in Fat and Lean Body Mass and the Association with Insulin Resistance

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/ar...

Asian Indians tend to have more abdominal adipose tissue, less lean body mass (LBM) and higher magnitude of insulin resistance (IR) despite falling in the normal range of body mass index (BMI) [1]. The high value of waist hip ratio in Asian Indians may be due to less lean mass of the hips and greater fat at the levels of waist [2]. Another study showed that Asian Indian men have low muscle mass and 30% more total body fat (BF) than other ethnic groups [3]. Low lean mass is also evident in Asian Indian neonates as compared to white Caucasian neonates [4].

http://journals.plos.org/plosone...

The lung capacity of Indians is 30 per cent lower than North Americans or Europeans or Chinese, making them highly vulnerable to diabetes, heart attacks or strokes, says a top scientist.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/toda...

"Asian Indians had more fat, both total and in the abdominal region, with less lean mass, skeletal muscle and bone mineral than all other ethnic groups"

Body size, body composition and fat distribution: comparative analysis of European, Maori, Pacific Island and Asian Indian adults.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"Asian Indians have different body phenotype from Europeans (36). The major differences are in high
body fat, high truncal, subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat, and low muscle mass."

Ethnicity and type 2 diabetes in Asian Indian migrants in Auckland, New Zealand (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public....nd_New_Zealand [accessed Dec 18 2017].

"In particular, there is accumulating evidence that South Asians may have a 'low fitness' phenotype which contributes to their elevated cardio-metabolic risk, and thus may particularly benefit from undertaking higher levels of physical activity [14]"

https://www.researchgate.net/figure....outh-Asian-men

In South Asians, a unique obesity phenotype of high abdominal fat is associated with increased cardiovascular risk

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...11335515001308

Studies in the South Asian diaspora residing in the U.K. during the early 1980s suggested the possibility of an Asian Indian or South Asian phenotype (Fig. 1). This term refers to a combination of characteristics that predisposes SA to the development of insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals...

3. DOCTORS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENDOCRINOLOGY
- They're only learned what's dangerous about steroids, and they doesn't learn about this in college. WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM ON SOME FUCKING FORUM,

going to a doc is pointless and frustrating, 80% of endocrinologists/urologists dont even know that something like HCG exists, they all see injectable testosterone as a Steroid abuser Hormone, which why they only prescribe testogel, they dont even prescribe AI's

... So it seems that we can help orselves rather than relying on the help of a doctor

CO-RELATION WITH SEMEN RETENTION !?

Spoiler: Co- relation

Alright let's use some logic instead, cause i'm lazy to do research after all this . When you fap, you ejacuate some testosterone, which could've been used by your body, but you dumped that extra T...

Spoiler: Co- relation

1. So how does our body use testosterone
- Through 5α- reduction, it either gets converted into DHT, or aromatised into estrogen. So by wasting that testosterone away, we dumped extra DHT, cause testosterone will be converted to DHT, if you aren't androgen dominant (T won't be converted to DHT), you wouldn't even have free T flowing to feel libido, motivation, energy... essentially free T is doing all the good things you think testosterone does. You can increase free T by taking proviron which lowers SHBG.

TL;DR
Masturbation = Low DHT

2. Since we know it's conversion - Does Nofap help us grow ?
- Can't answer that directly, but you saw my thread (from other forum) regarding heightmaxing, and it's discussed that DHT extends the bone growth. So by extracting that T which could be converted to DHT later, aren't we doing ourselves disadvantage in the long run?

Masturbation = Manlet

3. What happens to estrogen ?
- Meanwhile, your prolactin (Which causes low sex drive, and erectile dysfunction) is increasing. This effects in men because prolactin can stop the testes from producing testosterone. In some cases it may cause infertility, but this is pretty rare.

In males - Prolactinoma can cause decreased body or facial hair, and low bone density. Prolactin levels gets regulated to normal after one hour.

Masturbation = Prolactin release

Spoiler: How to reduce prolactin ?

"Now, on to the topic of suppressing prolactin; in this study, 300 mg’s of vitamin E for 8 weeks, decreased prolactin levels by a staggering 69% when compared to placebo in healthy human subjects."
ashwagandha:
"Furthermore, the same human study also found out that Ashwagandha lowered prolactin levels by a nice 15%."

Also @Sergeant, fix this problem with fucking spoilers.





REGARDS BALDING
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The effects of IGF-1 on the hair growth:



@BalkanPig @Kingkellz @john2 @Gudru @nelson @NickGurr @54UD4D3 @IncelWithNoLuck @Dr Shekelberg @Demonstrator @Chad1212​

Holy cope bro dht is pointless after the age of 16

 

[chadisbeingmade]

that doesnt mean everyone has to nuke it just because some users on this forum have subhuman genetics and will norwood to hell and get acne

DHT will eviscerate your elastin. You are doing yourself a massive disservice not using Duta if you are/older then 18, regardless of if you have acne or hair loss.

 

[Aroon]

Why would you risk balding at an earlier age

 

[Deleted member 1813]

W

 

[repulse]

DHT will eviscerate your elastin. You are doing yourself a massive disservice not using Duta if you are/older then 18, regardless of if you have acne or hair loss.

No I agree u shouldnt let ur skin get raped on roids, once ur fully developed and I will do so too with dut once i'm finished but my point is that not really everyone has to nuke DHT especially when natty and their doing just fine

 

[DrunkenSailor]

Why would you risk balding at an earlier age

Not everyone is conditioned to hairloss

 

[Aroon]

Not everyone is conditioned to hairloss

More DHT means way more higher chance of it tho. Most guys bald as it is with their natural DHT as it is. So by taking DHT you are pretty going to be increasing the chance by like a gazillion %

 

[DrunkenSailor]

More DHT means way more higher chance of it tho. Most guys bald as it is with their natural DHT as it is. So by taking DHT you are pretty going to be increasing the chance by like a gazillion %

As far as i know some people’s follicles aren’t vulnerable to dht so they can’t go bald

 

[midgetfacecumer]

so what u think about l-carnitine?
should you take it

It won't do shit
Either get a dht gel or take dht derivative(which i wont recommend since it will suppress severely)
I would recommend if available in ur area get dht gel and apply whatever effect u want
For ex -- for penis length rub on dick
For beard growth rub on face
For clavicle or scapula growth rub near the joints

 

[Aroon]

As far as i know some people’s follicles aren’t vulnerable to dht so they can’t go bald

Pretty rare. Like 99% atleast end up with some hairline reccession. Even IF they don't go bald. So it's kinda a small percent

 

[Charm0]

DHT will eviscerate your elastin. You are doing yourself a massive disservice not using Duta if you are/older then 18, regardless of if you have acne or hair loss.

i got into puberty late and cant grow a beard should i still take dutasteride around 18 or wait till like 20

 

[SwissArms]

>"ultimate guide"
>"just take drugs bro"

Fuck off

 

[yyy111]

So you want to increase your DHT? Say no more fella, cause i'm about to drop another banger.. let's begin:

DHT BENEFITS

​

• IN THE WOMB

- The amount of DHT receptors you'll going to have is predetermined in the womb
- Wrist size, ankle size, and bone antropometry in general is affected by DHT to an extend
- As the whole endocrine system is forming, not only DHT, but the amount of IGF-1, Gh, Testosterone/Estrogen receptors... are forming (Important for later)
- Prenatal T might be of a accurate indicator that we have high DHT

• IN PUBERTY

- It promotes masculinization of the face, growth of the jaw, hunter eyes appearance, brow ridge growth... and a big tall chin
- It can increase your dick size DRAMATICALLY, talking about few more inches
- DHT extends puberty. You can have benefits of the longer puberty
- You can grow facial hair earlier than the others.
- Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
- Frame growth
- Higher DHT is responsible for 'logical' thinking, so you're thinking better (maturity), and sudden low inhib is result of that

• IN ADULTHDOOD

- DHT helps keep your growth plates open by antagonizing estrogen. Instead of your plates fusing at 19, you might probably extend it to 25.
- Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
- You can still grow facial hair if you expose yourself to DHT later in life.
- In late puberty (17- 19), you can still deepen your voice to some extend.
- (ANECDOTAL) Some people reported growth of their frame

HOW TO INCREASE DHT

​

* Don't choose SARMS, cause they promote no androgen activity. Nandrolone derivarives don't cause balding but DHT derivarives are superior for ENCHANCING DHT specifically.

DOSAGES

Dosages depends on 50 - 250mg, remember the more the higher risk. idk which roid is better for what but my man explained it well for me:

View attachment 509249


...NATURALLY?

i've mentioned things that are legit, don't ever comment 'boron' or things like 'DHEA' cause they increases estrogen and speaking of input/reward ratio, you are likely going to lose.
​

Blue = DHT​

Green = Testosterone​

Red = AVOID​

​

- Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors) @EternalLearner is taking this herb and he reported some benefits

- Taking Creatine, which supposedly increases DHT production by 50％ more itself, there are studies proving this, creatine is cheap supplement, and best you can get the most out of (Speaking of androgenmaxxing).

- Taking L-Carnitine, it sensitize the androgen receptors. Carnitine occurs naturally in meats and fish.

- Megadose Vit E, about 500mg/day, it is proven to reduce prolactin levels bu 70％, i'm going to talk about this in nofap section, just another estrogen acumulating over time causing bitch tits gynecomastia...

- Taking ashwagandha - plant that is reducing cortisol (Which further increases testosterone which is gonna be convertable to DHT later...), ashwagandha supress prolactin levels by like 15％ i recall.

- Lifting weights, hit atleast 2 bodyparts per day, and supplement magnesium after your workouts to lower cortisol. Don't go too intense because it might put your body under 'stress' mode, which will only increase cortisol and burn off additional calories - ⚠ IMPORTANT. If you want to lose weights, you are screwing your testosterone production, because like i said, you don't have the foundation to produce your hormones, even if you do something weightloss for your body:

- Starving yourself, doing high intensity workouts, sweating... It's all bad for your body and will make up bunch of cortisol because your body is on 'survival' mode methaporically speaking, and it's not looking up to preserve muscle, or hormones.

Spoiler: Proof

DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)

WE WANT AS LEAST CORTISOL AS POSSIBLE

* To avoid high intensity, don't do supersets between compound excercises, and give yourself respectable amount of rest

- Exposing yourself to estrogens, should i even mention this one? AVOID estrogens at all cost. Entering puberty with high estrogen = kill yourself.

- Sleep 7-9 hours, or even more, this is just an ideal range. It's best to go to sleep at 9PM because of natural melatonin production, but it's just worth mentioning right, not many people will do this. If you have trouble sleeping:
- Turn off your cellphone, or you can use it to watch some movies which will tire your eyes (Always worked for me )

- For better sleep, supplement with:

• Valerian root extract
• Chamomile root extract
• Mucuna pruriens extract
• ------------------------------------------------
• Delta sleep inducing peptide

Those are some herbs i can tell are legit for calming your body and they make you fall asleep. DSIP is mentioned here, give it a look

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

STUDIES

Spoiler: Penis

Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment

View attachment 509079
In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above

Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,

sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175



Study #2
To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively

The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks

Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3

Spoiler: Secondary sexual characteristics

Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.

Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)

after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased

Study number 2

Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416

For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)

Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks

Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.

INTERESTING STUFF

​

1. This is example of person with high DHT but 0 androgen receptors, that's why you wanna make sure you take L carnitine along your hormonemax supplements, remember it activates adrogen receptors

Spoiler: Example

View attachment 509216

2. Many ethnics (Middle east, north Africa, Persian area...) have high DHT production but low sensitivity to it. That's why they can grow beard earlier, and they have quite body hair. Indian subcontinent being the worst, having the lowest DHT / IGF-1 that comes with race, so they're balding, having pitch voices, short... Which totally makes DHT useless at this point to them.

Spoiler: INDIANS VS OTHERS

Mean lean muscle mass (kg)

black males = 65.6kg
White males = 62 kg
Hispanic males = 59.9 kg
Asian males = 59.6 kg
Indian males = 53.3 kg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc...

At any given body fat mass value, South Asians had significantly less lean mass than each of the three other groups after adjustment for age, height, humerus breadth, smoking status, physical activity, and diet. Aboriginal, Chinese, and European men had 3.42 kg [95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.55–5.29], 3.01 kg (95% CI = 1.33–4.70), and 3.57 kg (95% CI = 1.82–5.33) more lean mass than South Asian men at a given total fat mass, respectively"

Ethnic Variation in Fat and Lean Body Mass and the Association with Insulin Resistance

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/ar...

Asian Indians tend to have more abdominal adipose tissue, less lean body mass (LBM) and higher magnitude of insulin resistance (IR) despite falling in the normal range of body mass index (BMI) [1]. The high value of waist hip ratio in Asian Indians may be due to less lean mass of the hips and greater fat at the levels of waist [2]. Another study showed that Asian Indian men have low muscle mass and 30% more total body fat (BF) than other ethnic groups [3]. Low lean mass is also evident in Asian Indian neonates as compared to white Caucasian neonates [4].

http://journals.plos.org/plosone...

The lung capacity of Indians is 30 per cent lower than North Americans or Europeans or Chinese, making them highly vulnerable to diabetes, heart attacks or strokes, says a top scientist.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/toda...

"Asian Indians had more fat, both total and in the abdominal region, with less lean mass, skeletal muscle and bone mineral than all other ethnic groups"

Body size, body composition and fat distribution: comparative analysis of European, Maori, Pacific Island and Asian Indian adults.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"Asian Indians have different body phenotype from Europeans (36). The major differences are in high
body fat, high truncal, subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat, and low muscle mass."

Ethnicity and type 2 diabetes in Asian Indian migrants in Auckland, New Zealand (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public....nd_New_Zealand [accessed Dec 18 2017].

"In particular, there is accumulating evidence that South Asians may have a 'low fitness' phenotype which contributes to their elevated cardio-metabolic risk, and thus may particularly benefit from undertaking higher levels of physical activity [14]"

https://www.researchgate.net/figure....outh-Asian-men

In South Asians, a unique obesity phenotype of high abdominal fat is associated with increased cardiovascular risk

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...11335515001308

Studies in the South Asian diaspora residing in the U.K. during the early 1980s suggested the possibility of an Asian Indian or South Asian phenotype (Fig. 1). This term refers to a combination of characteristics that predisposes SA to the development of insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals...

3. DOCTORS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENDOCRINOLOGY
- They're only learned what's dangerous about steroids, and they doesn't learn about this in college. WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM ON SOME FUCKING FORUM,

going to a doc is pointless and frustrating, 80% of endocrinologists/urologists dont even know that something like HCG exists, they all see injectable testosterone as a Steroid abuser Hormone, which why they only prescribe testogel, they dont even prescribe AI's

... So it seems that we can help orselves rather than relying on the help of a doctor

CO-RELATION WITH SEMEN RETENTION !?

Spoiler: Co- relation

Alright let's use some logic instead, cause i'm lazy to do research after all this . When you fap, you ejacuate some testosterone, which could've been used by your body, but you dumped that extra T...

Spoiler: Co- relation

1. So how does our body use testosterone
- Through 5α- reduction, it either gets converted into DHT, or aromatised into estrogen. So by wasting that testosterone away, we dumped extra DHT, cause testosterone will be converted to DHT, if you aren't androgen dominant (T won't be converted to DHT), you wouldn't even have free T flowing to feel libido, motivation, energy... essentially free T is doing all the good things you think testosterone does. You can increase free T by taking proviron which lowers SHBG.

TL;DR
Masturbation = Low DHT

2. Since we know it's conversion - Does Nofap help us grow ?
- Can't answer that directly, but you saw my thread (from other forum) regarding heightmaxing, and it's discussed that DHT extends the bone growth. So by extracting that T which could be converted to DHT later, aren't we doing ourselves disadvantage in the long run?

Masturbation = Manlet

3. What happens to estrogen ?
- Meanwhile, your prolactin (Which causes low sex drive, and erectile dysfunction) is increasing. This effects in men because prolactin can stop the testes from producing testosterone. In some cases it may cause infertility, but this is pretty rare.

In males - Prolactinoma can cause decreased body or facial hair, and low bone density. Prolactin levels gets regulated to normal after one hour.

Masturbation = Prolactin release

Spoiler: How to reduce prolactin ?

"Now, on to the topic of suppressing prolactin; in this study, 300 mg’s of vitamin E for 8 weeks, decreased prolactin levels by a staggering 69% when compared to placebo in healthy human subjects."
ashwagandha:
"Furthermore, the same human study also found out that Ashwagandha lowered prolactin levels by a nice 15%."

Also @Sergeant, fix this problem with fucking spoilers.





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DHT closes growth plates it doesn't keep them open.

• DHT: Promotes growth plate closure → reduces potential height growth
• Estrogen (converted from testosterone): Also plays a major role in epiphyseal closure
• Keeping growth plates open: Would involve lower androgen and estrogen activity, not higher

 

[Linus1888]

I did not say DHT is worthless in puberty. I said DHT maxing is worthless. If you are going down the rabbit hole of “puberty maxing” there are much stronger androgens than DHT that are also anabolic. DHT is worthless in puberty insofar you are willing to experiment with those androgens.

What would be an example of such androgens?