DHT MAXING - ULTIMATE GUIDE

[Juno_roe]

Say no more fella,

amazing start non ironically

 

[Matzz]

Average testosterone and DHT levels during puberty is what ruined my life forever. If I had unnaturally high testosterone and DHT levels during my rapid growth phase, I would have been a gigachad by now.

I had to start using steroids when I was still in puberty, not at age of 23...

Not using steroids during puberty is something I will never forgive myself.

Which supps do you recommend other than those if im in puberty, for everything

 

[IntelligentCel]

Which supps do you recommend other than those if im in puberty, for everything

Supplements won't work in this case.

If you are in puberty, you may have to use exogenous androgens (anabolic steroids). Don't use anything except synthetic testosterone.

If you don't want to close your growth plates, then don't use testosterone or any steroid that causes aromatization and testosterone suppression (basically, don't use steroids at all). If, however, you want to have a big dick and masculinization, then you need to use testosterone, but keep estradiol from aromatization below a certain value, because estradiol (e2) actually closes the growth plates after it reaches a certain level.

Anyway, the dickpill is real, so being short but with huge penis is better than being tall with an average or small penis.

Keep in mind there is a risk you will have to use a TRT forever if restoring natural testosterone production is impossible. In some people, it's possible, but in some people, it isn't.

I started AAS at 24, but if I could run time backwards, I would have started using exogenous testosterone and HGH right after the start of puberty.

 

[Matzz]

Supplements won't work in this case.

If you are in puberty, you may have to use exogenous androgens (anabolic steroids). Don't use anything except synthetic testosterone.

If you don't want to close your growth plates, then don't use testosterone or any steroid that causes aromatization and testosterone suppression (basically, don't use steroids at all). If, however, you want to have a big dick and masculinization, then you need to use testosterone, but keep estradiol from aromatization below a certain value, because estradiol (e2) actually closes the growth plates after it reaches a certain level.

Anyway, the dickpill is real, so being short but with huge penis is better than being tall with an average or small penis.

Keep in mind there is a risk you will have to use a TRT forever if restoring natural testosterone production is impossible. In some people, it's possible, but in some people, it isn't.

I started AAS at 24, but if I could run time backwards, I would have started using exogenous testosterone and HGH right after the start of puberty.

Is it good if I run mk 677 and aromastatin, and halotestin for dht

 

[pumpeduppecs]

I'll just eat whatever in moderate dosages. Also remember that you should get enough cholesterol so your body can make hormones. That's what made me question veganism, i'm vegan now lol. Just eat 3-5 eggs in the morning or some fish man

Wow should have mentioned you were a retard before I read all that

 

[lin1011]

Any recommendations for DHT Gel?

 

[asdvek]

Supplements won't work in this case.

If you are in puberty, you may have to use exogenous androgens (anabolic steroids). Don't use anything except synthetic testosterone.

If you don't want to close your growth plates, then don't use testosterone or any steroid that causes aromatization and testosterone suppression (basically, don't use steroids at all). If, however, you want to have a big dick and masculinization, then you need to use testosterone, but keep estradiol from aromatization below a certain value, because estradiol (e2) actually closes the growth plates after it reaches a certain level.

Anyway, the dickpill is real, so being short but with huge penis is better than being tall with an average or small penis.

Keep in mind there is a risk you will have to use a TRT forever if restoring natural testosterone production is impossible. In some people, it's possible, but in some people, it isn't.

I started AAS at 24, but if I could run time backwards, I would have started using exogenous testosterone and HGH right after the start of puberty.

Or just fucking use Masteron, which is legit DHT and its also an aromatase inhibitor so heightmaxx and masculinitymaxx at the same time

 

[YEorc]

Testosterone and DHT maxxing is the real and most big ascension

 

[slavski]

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Incredible.

 

[hdjb]

Does fapping decrease dht?

Yes

 

[swagdowdle]

Does this work at 18 to masculinemaxx?

 

[Deleted member 81800]

So you want to increase your DHT? Say no more fella, cause i'm about to drop another banger.. let's begin:

DHT BENEFITS

​

• IN THE WOMB

- The amount of DHT receptors you'll going to have is predetermined in the womb
- Wrist size, ankle size, and bone antropometry in general is affected by DHT to an extend
- As the whole endocrine system is forming, not only DHT, but the amount of IGF-1, Gh, Testosterone/Estrogen receptors... are forming (Important for later)
- Prenatal T might be of a accurate indicator that we have high DHT

• IN PUBERTY

- It promotes masculinization of the face, growth of the jaw, hunter eyes appearance, brow ridge growth... and a big tall chin
- It can increase your dick size DRAMATICALLY, talking about few more inches
- DHT extends puberty. You can have benefits of the longer puberty
- You can grow facial hair earlier than the others.
- Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
- Frame growth
- Higher DHT is responsible for 'logical' thinking, so you're thinking better (maturity), and sudden low inhib is result of that

• IN ADULTHDOOD

- DHT helps keep your growth plates open by antagonizing estrogen. Instead of your plates fusing at 19, you might probably extend it to 25.
- Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
- You can still grow facial hair if you expose yourself to DHT later in life.
- In late puberty (17- 19), you can still deepen your voice to some extend.
- (ANECDOTAL) Some people reported growth of their frame

HOW TO INCREASE DHT

​

* Don't choose SARMS, cause they promote no androgen activity. Nandrolone derivarives don't cause balding but DHT derivarives are superior for ENCHANCING DHT specifically.

DOSAGES

Dosages depends on 50 - 250mg, remember the more the higher risk. idk which roid is better for what but my man explained it well for me:

View attachment 509249


...NATURALLY?

i've mentioned things that are legit, don't ever comment 'boron' or things like 'DHEA' cause they increases estrogen and speaking of input/reward ratio, you are likely going to lose.
​

Blue = DHT​

Green = Testosterone​

Red = AVOID​

​

- Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors) @EternalLearner is taking this herb and he reported some benefits

- Taking Creatine, which supposedly increases DHT production by 50％ more itself, there are studies proving this, creatine is cheap supplement, and best you can get the most out of (Speaking of androgenmaxxing).

- Taking L-Carnitine, it sensitize the androgen receptors. Carnitine occurs naturally in meats and fish.

- Megadose Vit E, about 500mg/day, it is proven to reduce prolactin levels bu 70％, i'm going to talk about this in nofap section, just another estrogen acumulating over time causing bitch tits gynecomastia...

- Taking ashwagandha - plant that is reducing cortisol (Which further increases testosterone which is gonna be convertable to DHT later...), ashwagandha supress prolactin levels by like 15％ i recall.

- Lifting weights, hit atleast 2 bodyparts per day, and supplement magnesium after your workouts to lower cortisol. Don't go too intense because it might put your body under 'stress' mode, which will only increase cortisol and burn off additional calories - ⚠ IMPORTANT. If you want to lose weights, you are screwing your testosterone production, because like i said, you don't have the foundation to produce your hormones, even if you do something weightloss for your body:

- Starving yourself, doing high intensity workouts, sweating... It's all bad for your body and will make up bunch of cortisol because your body is on 'survival' mode methaporically speaking, and it's not looking up to preserve muscle, or hormones.

Spoiler: Proof

DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)

WE WANT AS LEAST CORTISOL AS POSSIBLE

* To avoid high intensity, don't do supersets between compound excercises, and give yourself respectable amount of rest

- Exposing yourself to estrogens, should i even mention this one? AVOID estrogens at all cost. Entering puberty with high estrogen = kill yourself.

- Sleep 7-9 hours, or even more, this is just an ideal range. It's best to go to sleep at 9PM because of natural melatonin production, but it's just worth mentioning right, not many people will do this. If you have trouble sleeping:
- Turn off your cellphone, or you can use it to watch some movies which will tire your eyes (Always worked for me )

- For better sleep, supplement with:

• Valerian root extract
• Chamomile root extract
• Mucuna pruriens extract
• ------------------------------------------------
• Delta sleep inducing peptide

Those are some herbs i can tell are legit for calming your body and they make you fall asleep. DSIP is mentioned here, give it a look

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

STUDIES

Spoiler: Penis

Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment

View attachment 509079
In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above

Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,

sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175



Study #2
To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively

The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks

Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3

Spoiler: Secondary sexual characteristics

Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.

Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)

after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased

Study number 2

Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416

For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)

Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks

Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.

INTERESTING STUFF

​

1. This is example of person with high DHT but 0 androgen receptors, that's why you wanna make sure you take L carnitine along your hormonemax supplements, remember it activates adrogen receptors

Spoiler: Example

View attachment 509216

2. Many ethnics (Middle east, north Africa, Persian area...) have high DHT production but low sensitivity to it. That's why they can grow beard earlier, and they have quite body hair. Indian subcontinent being the worst, having the lowest DHT / IGF-1 that comes with race, so they're balding, having pitch voices, short... Which totally makes DHT useless at this point to them.

Spoiler: INDIANS VS OTHERS

Mean lean muscle mass (kg)

black males = 65.6kg
White males = 62 kg
Hispanic males = 59.9 kg
Asian males = 59.6 kg
Indian males = 53.3 kg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc...

At any given body fat mass value, South Asians had significantly less lean mass than each of the three other groups after adjustment for age, height, humerus breadth, smoking status, physical activity, and diet. Aboriginal, Chinese, and European men had 3.42 kg [95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.55–5.29], 3.01 kg (95% CI = 1.33–4.70), and 3.57 kg (95% CI = 1.82–5.33) more lean mass than South Asian men at a given total fat mass, respectively"

Ethnic Variation in Fat and Lean Body Mass and the Association with Insulin Resistance

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/ar...

Asian Indians tend to have more abdominal adipose tissue, less lean body mass (LBM) and higher magnitude of insulin resistance (IR) despite falling in the normal range of body mass index (BMI) [1]. The high value of waist hip ratio in Asian Indians may be due to less lean mass of the hips and greater fat at the levels of waist [2]. Another study showed that Asian Indian men have low muscle mass and 30% more total body fat (BF) than other ethnic groups [3]. Low lean mass is also evident in Asian Indian neonates as compared to white Caucasian neonates [4].

http://journals.plos.org/plosone...

The lung capacity of Indians is 30 per cent lower than North Americans or Europeans or Chinese, making them highly vulnerable to diabetes, heart attacks or strokes, says a top scientist.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/toda...

"Asian Indians had more fat, both total and in the abdominal region, with less lean mass, skeletal muscle and bone mineral than all other ethnic groups"

Body size, body composition and fat distribution: comparative analysis of European, Maori, Pacific Island and Asian Indian adults.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"Asian Indians have different body phenotype from Europeans (36). The major differences are in high
body fat, high truncal, subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat, and low muscle mass."

Ethnicity and type 2 diabetes in Asian Indian migrants in Auckland, New Zealand (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public....nd_New_Zealand [accessed Dec 18 2017].

"In particular, there is accumulating evidence that South Asians may have a 'low fitness' phenotype which contributes to their elevated cardio-metabolic risk, and thus may particularly benefit from undertaking higher levels of physical activity [14]"

https://www.researchgate.net/figure....outh-Asian-men

In South Asians, a unique obesity phenotype of high abdominal fat is associated with increased cardiovascular risk

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...11335515001308

Studies in the South Asian diaspora residing in the U.K. during the early 1980s suggested the possibility of an Asian Indian or South Asian phenotype (Fig. 1). This term refers to a combination of characteristics that predisposes SA to the development of insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals...

3. DOCTORS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENDOCRINOLOGY
- They're only learned what's dangerous about steroids, and they doesn't learn about this in college. WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM ON SOME FUCKING FORUM,

going to a doc is pointless and frustrating, 80% of endocrinologists/urologists dont even know that something like HCG exists, they all see injectable testosterone as a Steroid abuser Hormone, which why they only prescribe testogel, they dont even prescribe AI's

... So it seems that we can help orselves rather than relying on the help of a doctor

CO-RELATION WITH SEMEN RETENTION !?

Spoiler: Co- relation

Alright let's use some logic instead, cause i'm lazy to do research after all this . When you fap, you ejacuate some testosterone, which could've been used by your body, but you dumped that extra T...

Spoiler: Co- relation

1. So how does our body use testosterone
- Through 5α- reduction, it either gets converted into DHT, or aromatised into estrogen. So by wasting that testosterone away, we dumped extra DHT, cause testosterone will be converted to DHT, if you aren't androgen dominant (T won't be converted to DHT), you wouldn't even have free T flowing to feel libido, motivation, energy... essentially free T is doing all the good things you think testosterone does. You can increase free T by taking proviron which lowers SHBG.

TL;DR
Masturbation = Low DHT

2. Since we know it's conversion - Does Nofap help us grow ?
- Can't answer that directly, but you saw my thread (from other forum) regarding heightmaxing, and it's discussed that DHT extends the bone growth. So by extracting that T which could be converted to DHT later, aren't we doing ourselves disadvantage in the long run?

Masturbation = Manlet

3. What happens to estrogen ?
- Meanwhile, your prolactin (Which causes low sex drive, and erectile dysfunction) is increasing. This effects in men because prolactin can stop the testes from producing testosterone. In some cases it may cause infertility, but this is pretty rare.

In males - Prolactinoma can cause decreased body or facial hair, and low bone density. Prolactin levels gets regulated to normal after one hour.

Masturbation = Prolactin release

Spoiler: How to reduce prolactin ?

"Now, on to the topic of suppressing prolactin; in this study, 300 mg’s of vitamin E for 8 weeks, decreased prolactin levels by a staggering 69% when compared to placebo in healthy human subjects."
ashwagandha:
"Furthermore, the same human study also found out that Ashwagandha lowered prolactin levels by a nice 15%."

Also @Sergeant, fix this problem with fucking spoilers.





REGARDS BALDING
View attachment 509271​

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The effects of IGF-1 on the hair growth:



@BalkanPig @Kingkellz @john2 @Gudru @nelson @NickGurr @54UD4D3 @IncelWithNoLuck @Dr Shekelberg @Demonstrator @Chad1212​

Im 14 so if i take most of these supplements ikl become chad when im 18? Do i have to workout or does it work without working out

 

[Looksmaxxer_based]

So you want to increase your DHT? Say no more fella, cause i'm about to drop another banger.. let's begin:

DHT BENEFITS

​

• IN THE WOMB

- The amount of DHT receptors you'll going to have is predetermined in the womb
- Wrist size, ankle size, and bone antropometry in general is affected by DHT to an extend
- As the whole endocrine system is forming, not only DHT, but the amount of IGF-1, Gh, Testosterone/Estrogen receptors... are forming (Important for later)
- Prenatal T might be of a accurate indicator that we have high DHT

• IN PUBERTY

- It promotes masculinization of the face, growth of the jaw, hunter eyes appearance, brow ridge growth... and a big tall chin
- It can increase your dick size DRAMATICALLY, talking about few more inches
- DHT extends puberty. You can have benefits of the longer puberty
- You can grow facial hair earlier than the others.
- Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
- Frame growth
- Higher DHT is responsible for 'logical' thinking, so you're thinking better (maturity), and sudden low inhib is result of that

• IN ADULTHDOOD

- DHT helps keep your growth plates open by antagonizing estrogen. Instead of your plates fusing at 19, you might probably extend it to 25.
- Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
- You can still grow facial hair if you expose yourself to DHT later in life.
- In late puberty (17- 19), you can still deepen your voice to some extend.
- (ANECDOTAL) Some people reported growth of their frame

HOW TO INCREASE DHT

​

* Don't choose SARMS, cause they promote no androgen activity. Nandrolone derivarives don't cause balding but DHT derivarives are superior for ENCHANCING DHT specifically.

DOSAGES

Dosages depends on 50 - 250mg, remember the more the higher risk. idk which roid is better for what but my man explained it well for me:

View attachment 509249


...NATURALLY?

i've mentioned things that are legit, don't ever comment 'boron' or things like 'DHEA' cause they increases estrogen and speaking of input/reward ratio, you are likely going to lose.
​

Blue = DHT​

Green = Testosterone​

Red = AVOID​

​

- Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors) @EternalLearner is taking this herb and he reported some benefits

- Taking Creatine, which supposedly increases DHT production by 50％ more itself, there are studies proving this, creatine is cheap supplement, and best you can get the most out of (Speaking of androgenmaxxing).

- Taking L-Carnitine, it sensitize the androgen receptors. Carnitine occurs naturally in meats and fish.

- Megadose Vit E, about 500mg/day, it is proven to reduce prolactin levels bu 70％, i'm going to talk about this in nofap section, just another estrogen acumulating over time causing bitch tits gynecomastia...

- Taking ashwagandha - plant that is reducing cortisol (Which further increases testosterone which is gonna be convertable to DHT later...), ashwagandha supress prolactin levels by like 15％ i recall.

- Lifting weights, hit atleast 2 bodyparts per day, and supplement magnesium after your workouts to lower cortisol. Don't go too intense because it might put your body under 'stress' mode, which will only increase cortisol and burn off additional calories - ⚠ IMPORTANT. If you want to lose weights, you are screwing your testosterone production, because like i said, you don't have the foundation to produce your hormones, even if you do something weightloss for your body:

- Starving yourself, doing high intensity workouts, sweating... It's all bad for your body and will make up bunch of cortisol because your body is on 'survival' mode methaporically speaking, and it's not looking up to preserve muscle, or hormones.

Spoiler: Proof

DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)

WE WANT AS LEAST CORTISOL AS POSSIBLE

* To avoid high intensity, don't do supersets between compound excercises, and give yourself respectable amount of rest

- Exposing yourself to estrogens, should i even mention this one? AVOID estrogens at all cost. Entering puberty with high estrogen = kill yourself.

- Sleep 7-9 hours, or even more, this is just an ideal range. It's best to go to sleep at 9PM because of natural melatonin production, but it's just worth mentioning right, not many people will do this. If you have trouble sleeping:
- Turn off your cellphone, or you can use it to watch some movies which will tire your eyes (Always worked for me )

- For better sleep, supplement with:

• Valerian root extract
• Chamomile root extract
• Mucuna pruriens extract
• ------------------------------------------------
• Delta sleep inducing peptide

Those are some herbs i can tell are legit for calming your body and they make you fall asleep. DSIP is mentioned here, give it a look

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

STUDIES

Spoiler: Penis

Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment

View attachment 509079
In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above

Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,

sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175



Study #2
To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively

The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks

Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3

Spoiler: Secondary sexual characteristics

Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.

Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)

after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased

Study number 2

Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416

For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)

Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks

Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.

INTERESTING STUFF

​

1. This is example of person with high DHT but 0 androgen receptors, that's why you wanna make sure you take L carnitine along your hormonemax supplements, remember it activates adrogen receptors

Spoiler: Example

View attachment 509216

2. Many ethnics (Middle east, north Africa, Persian area...) have high DHT production but low sensitivity to it. That's why they can grow beard earlier, and they have quite body hair. Indian subcontinent being the worst, having the lowest DHT / IGF-1 that comes with race, so they're balding, having pitch voices, short... Which totally makes DHT useless at this point to them.

Spoiler: INDIANS VS OTHERS

Mean lean muscle mass (kg)

black males = 65.6kg
White males = 62 kg
Hispanic males = 59.9 kg
Asian males = 59.6 kg
Indian males = 53.3 kg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc...

At any given body fat mass value, South Asians had significantly less lean mass than each of the three other groups after adjustment for age, height, humerus breadth, smoking status, physical activity, and diet. Aboriginal, Chinese, and European men had 3.42 kg [95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.55–5.29], 3.01 kg (95% CI = 1.33–4.70), and 3.57 kg (95% CI = 1.82–5.33) more lean mass than South Asian men at a given total fat mass, respectively"

Ethnic Variation in Fat and Lean Body Mass and the Association with Insulin Resistance

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/ar...

Asian Indians tend to have more abdominal adipose tissue, less lean body mass (LBM) and higher magnitude of insulin resistance (IR) despite falling in the normal range of body mass index (BMI) [1]. The high value of waist hip ratio in Asian Indians may be due to less lean mass of the hips and greater fat at the levels of waist [2]. Another study showed that Asian Indian men have low muscle mass and 30% more total body fat (BF) than other ethnic groups [3]. Low lean mass is also evident in Asian Indian neonates as compared to white Caucasian neonates [4].

http://journals.plos.org/plosone...

The lung capacity of Indians is 30 per cent lower than North Americans or Europeans or Chinese, making them highly vulnerable to diabetes, heart attacks or strokes, says a top scientist.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/toda...

"Asian Indians had more fat, both total and in the abdominal region, with less lean mass, skeletal muscle and bone mineral than all other ethnic groups"

Body size, body composition and fat distribution: comparative analysis of European, Maori, Pacific Island and Asian Indian adults.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"Asian Indians have different body phenotype from Europeans (36). The major differences are in high
body fat, high truncal, subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat, and low muscle mass."

Ethnicity and type 2 diabetes in Asian Indian migrants in Auckland, New Zealand (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public....nd_New_Zealand [accessed Dec 18 2017].

"In particular, there is accumulating evidence that South Asians may have a 'low fitness' phenotype which contributes to their elevated cardio-metabolic risk, and thus may particularly benefit from undertaking higher levels of physical activity [14]"

https://www.researchgate.net/figure....outh-Asian-men

In South Asians, a unique obesity phenotype of high abdominal fat is associated with increased cardiovascular risk

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...11335515001308

Studies in the South Asian diaspora residing in the U.K. during the early 1980s suggested the possibility of an Asian Indian or South Asian phenotype (Fig. 1). This term refers to a combination of characteristics that predisposes SA to the development of insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals...

3. DOCTORS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENDOCRINOLOGY
- They're only learned what's dangerous about steroids, and they doesn't learn about this in college. WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM ON SOME FUCKING FORUM,

going to a doc is pointless and frustrating, 80% of endocrinologists/urologists dont even know that something like HCG exists, they all see injectable testosterone as a Steroid abuser Hormone, which why they only prescribe testogel, they dont even prescribe AI's

... So it seems that we can help orselves rather than relying on the help of a doctor

CO-RELATION WITH SEMEN RETENTION !?

Spoiler: Co- relation

Alright let's use some logic instead, cause i'm lazy to do research after all this . When you fap, you ejacuate some testosterone, which could've been used by your body, but you dumped that extra T...

Spoiler: Co- relation

1. So how does our body use testosterone
- Through 5α- reduction, it either gets converted into DHT, or aromatised into estrogen. So by wasting that testosterone away, we dumped extra DHT, cause testosterone will be converted to DHT, if you aren't androgen dominant (T won't be converted to DHT), you wouldn't even have free T flowing to feel libido, motivation, energy... essentially free T is doing all the good things you think testosterone does. You can increase free T by taking proviron which lowers SHBG.

TL;DR
Masturbation = Low DHT

2. Since we know it's conversion - Does Nofap help us grow ?
- Can't answer that directly, but you saw my thread (from other forum) regarding heightmaxing, and it's discussed that DHT extends the bone growth. So by extracting that T which could be converted to DHT later, aren't we doing ourselves disadvantage in the long run?

Masturbation = Manlet

3. What happens to estrogen ?
- Meanwhile, your prolactin (Which causes low sex drive, and erectile dysfunction) is increasing. This effects in men because prolactin can stop the testes from producing testosterone. In some cases it may cause infertility, but this is pretty rare.

In males - Prolactinoma can cause decreased body or facial hair, and low bone density. Prolactin levels gets regulated to normal after one hour.

Masturbation = Prolactin release

Spoiler: How to reduce prolactin ?

"Now, on to the topic of suppressing prolactin; in this study, 300 mg’s of vitamin E for 8 weeks, decreased prolactin levels by a staggering 69% when compared to placebo in healthy human subjects."
ashwagandha:
"Furthermore, the same human study also found out that Ashwagandha lowered prolactin levels by a nice 15%."

Also @Sergeant, fix this problem with fucking spoilers.





REGARDS BALDING
View attachment 509271​

​

​

​

The effects of IGF-1 on the hair growth:



@BalkanPig @Kingkellz @john2 @Gudru @nelson @NickGurr @54UD4D3 @IncelWithNoLuck @Dr Shekelberg @Demonstrator @Chad1212​

and we need money for this (high quality food and extr)
its crazy that we have to moneymaxx to live like normal human beings

 

[Outerz14]

So you want to increase your DHT? Say no more fella, cause i'm about to drop another banger.. let's begin:

DHT BENEFITS

​

• IN THE WOMB

- The amount of DHT receptors you'll going to have is predetermined in the womb
- Wrist size, ankle size, and bone antropometry in general is affected by DHT to an extend
- As the whole endocrine system is forming, not only DHT, but the amount of IGF-1, Gh, Testosterone/Estrogen receptors... are forming (Important for later)
- Prenatal T might be of a accurate indicator that we have high DHT

• IN PUBERTY

- It promotes masculinization of the face, growth of the jaw, hunter eyes appearance, brow ridge growth... and a big tall chin
- It can increase your dick size DRAMATICALLY, talking about few more inches
- DHT extends puberty. You can have benefits of the longer puberty
- You can grow facial hair earlier than the others.
- Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
- Frame growth
- Higher DHT is responsible for 'logical' thinking, so you're thinking better (maturity), and sudden low inhib is result of that

• IN ADULTHDOOD

- DHT helps keep your growth plates open by antagonizing estrogen. Instead of your plates fusing at 19, you might probably extend it to 25.
- Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
- You can still grow facial hair if you expose yourself to DHT later in life.
- In late puberty (17- 19), you can still deepen your voice to some extend.
- (ANECDOTAL) Some people reported growth of their frame

HOW TO INCREASE DHT

​

* Don't choose SARMS, cause they promote no androgen activity. Nandrolone derivarives don't cause balding but DHT derivarives are superior for ENCHANCING DHT specifically.

DOSAGES

Dosages depends on 50 - 250mg, remember the more the higher risk. idk which roid is better for what but my man explained it well for me:

View attachment 509249


...NATURALLY?

i've mentioned things that are legit, don't ever comment 'boron' or things like 'DHEA' cause they increases estrogen and speaking of input/reward ratio, you are likely going to lose.
​

Blue = DHT​

Green = Testosterone​

Red = AVOID​

​

- Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors) @EternalLearner is taking this herb and he reported some benefits

- Taking Creatine, which supposedly increases DHT production by 50％ more itself, there are studies proving this, creatine is cheap supplement, and best you can get the most out of (Speaking of androgenmaxxing).

- Taking L-Carnitine, it sensitize the androgen receptors. Carnitine occurs naturally in meats and fish.

- Megadose Vit E, about 500mg/day, it is proven to reduce prolactin levels bu 70％, i'm going to talk about this in nofap section, just another estrogen acumulating over time causing bitch tits gynecomastia...

- Taking ashwagandha - plant that is reducing cortisol (Which further increases testosterone which is gonna be convertable to DHT later...), ashwagandha supress prolactin levels by like 15％ i recall.

- Lifting weights, hit atleast 2 bodyparts per day, and supplement magnesium after your workouts to lower cortisol. Don't go too intense because it might put your body under 'stress' mode, which will only increase cortisol and burn off additional calories - ⚠ IMPORTANT. If you want to lose weights, you are screwing your testosterone production, because like i said, you don't have the foundation to produce your hormones, even if you do something weightloss for your body:

- Starving yourself, doing high intensity workouts, sweating... It's all bad for your body and will make up bunch of cortisol because your body is on 'survival' mode methaporically speaking, and it's not looking up to preserve muscle, or hormones.

Spoiler: Proof

DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)

WE WANT AS LEAST CORTISOL AS POSSIBLE

* To avoid high intensity, don't do supersets between compound excercises, and give yourself respectable amount of rest

- Exposing yourself to estrogens, should i even mention this one? AVOID estrogens at all cost. Entering puberty with high estrogen = kill yourself.

- Sleep 7-9 hours, or even more, this is just an ideal range. It's best to go to sleep at 9PM because of natural melatonin production, but it's just worth mentioning right, not many people will do this. If you have trouble sleeping:
- Turn off your cellphone, or you can use it to watch some movies which will tire your eyes (Always worked for me )

- For better sleep, supplement with:

• Valerian root extract
• Chamomile root extract
• Mucuna pruriens extract
• ------------------------------------------------
• Delta sleep inducing peptide

Those are some herbs i can tell are legit for calming your body and they make you fall asleep. DSIP is mentioned here, give it a look

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

STUDIES

Spoiler: Penis

Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment

View attachment 509079
In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above

Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,

sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175



Study #2
To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively

The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks

Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3

Spoiler: Secondary sexual characteristics

Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.

Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)

after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased

Study number 2

Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416

For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)

Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks

Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.

INTERESTING STUFF

​

1. This is example of person with high DHT but 0 androgen receptors, that's why you wanna make sure you take L carnitine along your hormonemax supplements, remember it activates adrogen receptors

Spoiler: Example

View attachment 509216

2. Many ethnics (Middle east, north Africa, Persian area...) have high DHT production but low sensitivity to it. That's why they can grow beard earlier, and they have quite body hair. Indian subcontinent being the worst, having the lowest DHT / IGF-1 that comes with race, so they're balding, having pitch voices, short... Which totally makes DHT useless at this point to them.

Spoiler: INDIANS VS OTHERS

Mean lean muscle mass (kg)

black males = 65.6kg
White males = 62 kg
Hispanic males = 59.9 kg
Asian males = 59.6 kg
Indian males = 53.3 kg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc...

At any given body fat mass value, South Asians had significantly less lean mass than each of the three other groups after adjustment for age, height, humerus breadth, smoking status, physical activity, and diet. Aboriginal, Chinese, and European men had 3.42 kg [95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.55–5.29], 3.01 kg (95% CI = 1.33–4.70), and 3.57 kg (95% CI = 1.82–5.33) more lean mass than South Asian men at a given total fat mass, respectively"

Ethnic Variation in Fat and Lean Body Mass and the Association with Insulin Resistance

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/ar...

Asian Indians tend to have more abdominal adipose tissue, less lean body mass (LBM) and higher magnitude of insulin resistance (IR) despite falling in the normal range of body mass index (BMI) [1]. The high value of waist hip ratio in Asian Indians may be due to less lean mass of the hips and greater fat at the levels of waist [2]. Another study showed that Asian Indian men have low muscle mass and 30% more total body fat (BF) than other ethnic groups [3]. Low lean mass is also evident in Asian Indian neonates as compared to white Caucasian neonates [4].

http://journals.plos.org/plosone...

The lung capacity of Indians is 30 per cent lower than North Americans or Europeans or Chinese, making them highly vulnerable to diabetes, heart attacks or strokes, says a top scientist.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/toda...

"Asian Indians had more fat, both total and in the abdominal region, with less lean mass, skeletal muscle and bone mineral than all other ethnic groups"

Body size, body composition and fat distribution: comparative analysis of European, Maori, Pacific Island and Asian Indian adults.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"Asian Indians have different body phenotype from Europeans (36). The major differences are in high
body fat, high truncal, subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat, and low muscle mass."

Ethnicity and type 2 diabetes in Asian Indian migrants in Auckland, New Zealand (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public....nd_New_Zealand [accessed Dec 18 2017].

"In particular, there is accumulating evidence that South Asians may have a 'low fitness' phenotype which contributes to their elevated cardio-metabolic risk, and thus may particularly benefit from undertaking higher levels of physical activity [14]"

https://www.researchgate.net/figure....outh-Asian-men

In South Asians, a unique obesity phenotype of high abdominal fat is associated with increased cardiovascular risk

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...11335515001308

Studies in the South Asian diaspora residing in the U.K. during the early 1980s suggested the possibility of an Asian Indian or South Asian phenotype (Fig. 1). This term refers to a combination of characteristics that predisposes SA to the development of insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals...

3. DOCTORS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENDOCRINOLOGY
- They're only learned what's dangerous about steroids, and they doesn't learn about this in college. WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM ON SOME FUCKING FORUM,

going to a doc is pointless and frustrating, 80% of endocrinologists/urologists dont even know that something like HCG exists, they all see injectable testosterone as a Steroid abuser Hormone, which why they only prescribe testogel, they dont even prescribe AI's

... So it seems that we can help orselves rather than relying on the help of a doctor

CO-RELATION WITH SEMEN RETENTION !?

Spoiler: Co- relation

Alright let's use some logic instead, cause i'm lazy to do research after all this . When you fap, you ejacuate some testosterone, which could've been used by your body, but you dumped that extra T...

Spoiler: Co- relation

1. So how does our body use testosterone
- Through 5α- reduction, it either gets converted into DHT, or aromatised into estrogen. So by wasting that testosterone away, we dumped extra DHT, cause testosterone will be converted to DHT, if you aren't androgen dominant (T won't be converted to DHT), you wouldn't even have free T flowing to feel libido, motivation, energy... essentially free T is doing all the good things you think testosterone does. You can increase free T by taking proviron which lowers SHBG.

TL;DR
Masturbation = Low DHT

2. Since we know it's conversion - Does Nofap help us grow ?
- Can't answer that directly, but you saw my thread (from other forum) regarding heightmaxing, and it's discussed that DHT extends the bone growth. So by extracting that T which could be converted to DHT later, aren't we doing ourselves disadvantage in the long run?

Masturbation = Manlet

3. What happens to estrogen ?
- Meanwhile, your prolactin (Which causes low sex drive, and erectile dysfunction) is increasing. This effects in men because prolactin can stop the testes from producing testosterone. In some cases it may cause infertility, but this is pretty rare.

In males - Prolactinoma can cause decreased body or facial hair, and low bone density. Prolactin levels gets regulated to normal after one hour.

Masturbation = Prolactin release

Spoiler: How to reduce prolactin ?

"Now, on to the topic of suppressing prolactin; in this study, 300 mg’s of vitamin E for 8 weeks, decreased prolactin levels by a staggering 69% when compared to placebo in healthy human subjects."
ashwagandha:
"Furthermore, the same human study also found out that Ashwagandha lowered prolactin levels by a nice 15%."

Also @Sergeant, fix this problem with fucking spoilers.





REGARDS BALDING
View attachment 509271​

​

​

​

The effects of IGF-1 on the hair growth:



@BalkanPig @Kingkellz @john2 @Gudru @nelson @NickGurr @54UD4D3 @IncelWithNoLuck @Dr Shekelberg @Demonstrator @Chad1212​

How long for results ?

 

[Kolk]

For the gym part is it chill if i do 4 times a week? I’m running a 5/3/1 split rn

 

[They_are_all_whores]

Starving yourself, doing high intensity workouts, sweating..

I train judo is it bad?

 

[Deleted member 85949]

So you want to increase your DHT? Say no more fella, cause i'm about to drop another banger.. let's begin:

DHT BENEFITS

​

• IN THE WOMB

- The amount of DHT receptors you'll going to have is predetermined in the womb
- Wrist size, ankle size, and bone antropometry in general is affected by DHT to an extend
- As the whole endocrine system is forming, not only DHT, but the amount of IGF-1, Gh, Testosterone/Estrogen receptors... are forming (Important for later)
- Prenatal T might be of a accurate indicator that we have high DHT

• IN PUBERTY

- It promotes masculinization of the face, growth of the jaw, hunter eyes appearance, brow ridge growth... and a big tall chin
- It can increase your dick size DRAMATICALLY, talking about few more inches
- DHT extends puberty. You can have benefits of the longer puberty
- You can grow facial hair earlier than the others.
- Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
- Frame growth
- Higher DHT is responsible for 'logical' thinking, so you're thinking better (maturity), and sudden low inhib is result of that

• IN ADULTHDOOD

- DHT helps keep your growth plates open by antagonizing estrogen. Instead of your plates fusing at 19, you might probably extend it to 25.
- Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
- You can still grow facial hair if you expose yourself to DHT later in life.
- In late puberty (17- 19), you can still deepen your voice to some extend.
- (ANECDOTAL) Some people reported growth of their frame

HOW TO INCREASE DHT

​

* Don't choose SARMS, cause they promote no androgen activity. Nandrolone derivarives don't cause balding but DHT derivarives are superior for ENCHANCING DHT specifically.

DOSAGES

Dosages depends on 50 - 250mg, remember the more the higher risk. idk which roid is better for what but my man explained it well for me:

View attachment 509249


...NATURALLY?

i've mentioned things that are legit, don't ever comment 'boron' or things like 'DHEA' cause they increases estrogen and speaking of input/reward ratio, you are likely going to lose.
​

Blue = DHT​

Green = Testosterone​

Red = AVOID​

​

- Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors) @EternalLearner is taking this herb and he reported some benefits

- Taking Creatine, which supposedly increases DHT production by 50％ more itself, there are studies proving this, creatine is cheap supplement, and best you can get the most out of (Speaking of androgenmaxxing).

- Taking L-Carnitine, it sensitize the androgen receptors. Carnitine occurs naturally in meats and fish.

- Megadose Vit E, about 500mg/day, it is proven to reduce prolactin levels bu 70％, i'm going to talk about this in nofap section, just another estrogen acumulating over time causing bitch tits gynecomastia...

- Taking ashwagandha - plant that is reducing cortisol (Which further increases testosterone which is gonna be convertable to DHT later...), ashwagandha supress prolactin levels by like 15％ i recall.

- Lifting weights, hit atleast 2 bodyparts per day, and supplement magnesium after your workouts to lower cortisol. Don't go too intense because it might put your body under 'stress' mode, which will only increase cortisol and burn off additional calories - ⚠ IMPORTANT. If you want to lose weights, you are screwing your testosterone production, because like i said, you don't have the foundation to produce your hormones, even if you do something weightloss for your body:

- Starving yourself, doing high intensity workouts, sweating... It's all bad for your body and will make up bunch of cortisol because your body is on 'survival' mode methaporically speaking, and it's not looking up to preserve muscle, or hormones.

Spoiler: Proof

DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)

WE WANT AS LEAST CORTISOL AS POSSIBLE

* To avoid high intensity, don't do supersets between compound excercises, and give yourself respectable amount of rest

- Exposing yourself to estrogens, should i even mention this one? AVOID estrogens at all cost. Entering puberty with high estrogen = kill yourself.

- Sleep 7-9 hours, or even more, this is just an ideal range. It's best to go to sleep at 9PM because of natural melatonin production, but it's just worth mentioning right, not many people will do this. If you have trouble sleeping:
- Turn off your cellphone, or you can use it to watch some movies which will tire your eyes (Always worked for me )

- For better sleep, supplement with:

• Valerian root extract
• Chamomile root extract
• Mucuna pruriens extract
• ------------------------------------------------
• Delta sleep inducing peptide

Those are some herbs i can tell are legit for calming your body and they make you fall asleep. DSIP is mentioned here, give it a look

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

STUDIES

Spoiler: Penis

Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment

View attachment 509079
In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above

Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,

sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175



Study #2
To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively

The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks

Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3

Spoiler: Secondary sexual characteristics

Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.

Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)

after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased

Study number 2

Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416

For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)

Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks

Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.

INTERESTING STUFF

​

1. This is example of person with high DHT but 0 androgen receptors, that's why you wanna make sure you take L carnitine along your hormonemax supplements, remember it activates adrogen receptors

Spoiler: Example

View attachment 509216

2. Many ethnics (Middle east, north Africa, Persian area...) have high DHT production but low sensitivity to it. That's why they can grow beard earlier, and they have quite body hair. Indian subcontinent being the worst, having the lowest DHT / IGF-1 that comes with race, so they're balding, having pitch voices, short... Which totally makes DHT useless at this point to them.

Spoiler: INDIANS VS OTHERS

Mean lean muscle mass (kg)

black males = 65.6kg
White males = 62 kg
Hispanic males = 59.9 kg
Asian males = 59.6 kg
Indian males = 53.3 kg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc...

At any given body fat mass value, South Asians had significantly less lean mass than each of the three other groups after adjustment for age, height, humerus breadth, smoking status, physical activity, and diet. Aboriginal, Chinese, and European men had 3.42 kg [95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.55–5.29], 3.01 kg (95% CI = 1.33–4.70), and 3.57 kg (95% CI = 1.82–5.33) more lean mass than South Asian men at a given total fat mass, respectively"

Ethnic Variation in Fat and Lean Body Mass and the Association with Insulin Resistance

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/ar...

Asian Indians tend to have more abdominal adipose tissue, less lean body mass (LBM) and higher magnitude of insulin resistance (IR) despite falling in the normal range of body mass index (BMI) [1]. The high value of waist hip ratio in Asian Indians may be due to less lean mass of the hips and greater fat at the levels of waist [2]. Another study showed that Asian Indian men have low muscle mass and 30% more total body fat (BF) than other ethnic groups [3]. Low lean mass is also evident in Asian Indian neonates as compared to white Caucasian neonates [4].

http://journals.plos.org/plosone...

The lung capacity of Indians is 30 per cent lower than North Americans or Europeans or Chinese, making them highly vulnerable to diabetes, heart attacks or strokes, says a top scientist.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/toda...

"Asian Indians had more fat, both total and in the abdominal region, with less lean mass, skeletal muscle and bone mineral than all other ethnic groups"

Body size, body composition and fat distribution: comparative analysis of European, Maori, Pacific Island and Asian Indian adults.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"Asian Indians have different body phenotype from Europeans (36). The major differences are in high
body fat, high truncal, subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat, and low muscle mass."

Ethnicity and type 2 diabetes in Asian Indian migrants in Auckland, New Zealand (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public....nd_New_Zealand [accessed Dec 18 2017].

"In particular, there is accumulating evidence that South Asians may have a 'low fitness' phenotype which contributes to their elevated cardio-metabolic risk, and thus may particularly benefit from undertaking higher levels of physical activity [14]"

https://www.researchgate.net/figure....outh-Asian-men

In South Asians, a unique obesity phenotype of high abdominal fat is associated with increased cardiovascular risk

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...11335515001308

Studies in the South Asian diaspora residing in the U.K. during the early 1980s suggested the possibility of an Asian Indian or South Asian phenotype (Fig. 1). This term refers to a combination of characteristics that predisposes SA to the development of insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals...

3. DOCTORS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENDOCRINOLOGY
- They're only learned what's dangerous about steroids, and they doesn't learn about this in college. WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM ON SOME FUCKING FORUM,

going to a doc is pointless and frustrating, 80% of endocrinologists/urologists dont even know that something like HCG exists, they all see injectable testosterone as a Steroid abuser Hormone, which why they only prescribe testogel, they dont even prescribe AI's

... So it seems that we can help orselves rather than relying on the help of a doctor

CO-RELATION WITH SEMEN RETENTION !?

Spoiler: Co- relation

Alright let's use some logic instead, cause i'm lazy to do research after all this . When you fap, you ejacuate some testosterone, which could've been used by your body, but you dumped that extra T...

Spoiler: Co- relation

1. So how does our body use testosterone
- Through 5α- reduction, it either gets converted into DHT, or aromatised into estrogen. So by wasting that testosterone away, we dumped extra DHT, cause testosterone will be converted to DHT, if you aren't androgen dominant (T won't be converted to DHT), you wouldn't even have free T flowing to feel libido, motivation, energy... essentially free T is doing all the good things you think testosterone does. You can increase free T by taking proviron which lowers SHBG.

TL;DR
Masturbation = Low DHT

2. Since we know it's conversion - Does Nofap help us grow ?
- Can't answer that directly, but you saw my thread (from other forum) regarding heightmaxing, and it's discussed that DHT extends the bone growth. So by extracting that T which could be converted to DHT later, aren't we doing ourselves disadvantage in the long run?

Masturbation = Manlet

3. What happens to estrogen ?
- Meanwhile, your prolactin (Which causes low sex drive, and erectile dysfunction) is increasing. This effects in men because prolactin can stop the testes from producing testosterone. In some cases it may cause infertility, but this is pretty rare.

In males - Prolactinoma can cause decreased body or facial hair, and low bone density. Prolactin levels gets regulated to normal after one hour.

Masturbation = Prolactin release

Spoiler: How to reduce prolactin ?

"Now, on to the topic of suppressing prolactin; in this study, 300 mg’s of vitamin E for 8 weeks, decreased prolactin levels by a staggering 69% when compared to placebo in healthy human subjects."
ashwagandha:
"Furthermore, the same human study also found out that Ashwagandha lowered prolactin levels by a nice 15%."

Also @Sergeant, fix this problem with fucking spoilers.





REGARDS BALDING
View attachment 509271​

​

​

​

The effects of IGF-1 on the hair growth:



@BalkanPig @Kingkellz @john2 @Gudru @nelson @NickGurr @54UD4D3 @IncelWithNoLuck @Dr Shekelberg @Demonstrator @Chad1212​

not eating doesnt spike your cortisol dumbass what the fuck are you saying

 

[Deleted member 85949]

if you skip breakfast it wont spike up but if you eat in the morning it does and hiit can increase test but at the same time the cortisol but its a temp effect

 

[Deleted member 70692]

@DHTrash was right

 

[Miliano]

defenetly saving this for later

 

[qazw]

lmao why is there a baldmaxxing guide in BOTB. DHT causes balding

 

[iblamehamza]

So you want to increase your DHT? Say no more fella, cause i'm about to drop another banger.. let's begin:

DHT BENEFITS

​

• IN THE WOMB

- The amount of DHT receptors you'll going to have is predetermined in the womb
- Wrist size, ankle size, and bone antropometry in general is affected by DHT to an extend
- As the whole endocrine system is forming, not only DHT, but the amount of IGF-1, Gh, Testosterone/Estrogen receptors... are forming (Important for later)
- Prenatal T might be of a accurate indicator that we have high DHT

• IN PUBERTY

- It promotes masculinization of the face, growth of the jaw, hunter eyes appearance, brow ridge growth... and a big tall chin
- It can increase your dick size DRAMATICALLY, talking about few more inches
- DHT extends puberty. You can have benefits of the longer puberty
- You can grow facial hair earlier than the others.
- Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
- Frame growth
- Higher DHT is responsible for 'logical' thinking, so you're thinking better (maturity), and sudden low inhib is result of that

• IN ADULTHDOOD

- DHT helps keep your growth plates open by antagonizing estrogen. Instead of your plates fusing at 19, you might probably extend it to 25.
- Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
- You can still grow facial hair if you expose yourself to DHT later in life.
- In late puberty (17- 19), you can still deepen your voice to some extend.
- (ANECDOTAL) Some people reported growth of their frame

HOW TO INCREASE DHT

​

* Don't choose SARMS, cause they promote no androgen activity. Nandrolone derivarives don't cause balding but DHT derivarives are superior for ENCHANCING DHT specifically.

DOSAGES

Dosages depends on 50 - 250mg, remember the more the higher risk. idk which roid is better for what but my man explained it well for me:

View attachment 509249


...NATURALLY?

i've mentioned things that are legit, don't ever comment 'boron' or things like 'DHEA' cause they increases estrogen and speaking of input/reward ratio, you are likely going to lose.
​

Blue = DHT​

Green = Testosterone​

Red = AVOID​

​

- Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors) @EternalLearner is taking this herb and he reported some benefits

- Taking Creatine, which supposedly increases DHT production by 50％ more itself, there are studies proving this, creatine is cheap supplement, and best you can get the most out of (Speaking of androgenmaxxing).

- Taking L-Carnitine, it sensitize the androgen receptors. Carnitine occurs naturally in meats and fish.

- Megadose Vit E, about 500mg/day, it is proven to reduce prolactin levels bu 70％, i'm going to talk about this in nofap section, just another estrogen acumulating over time causing bitch tits gynecomastia...

- Taking ashwagandha - plant that is reducing cortisol (Which further increases testosterone which is gonna be convertable to DHT later...), ashwagandha supress prolactin levels by like 15％ i recall.

- Lifting weights, hit atleast 2 bodyparts per day, and supplement magnesium after your workouts to lower cortisol. Don't go too intense because it might put your body under 'stress' mode, which will only increase cortisol and burn off additional calories - ⚠ IMPORTANT. If you want to lose weights, you are screwing your testosterone production, because like i said, you don't have the foundation to produce your hormones, even if you do something weightloss for your body:

- Starving yourself, doing high intensity workouts, sweating... It's all bad for your body and will make up bunch of cortisol because your body is on 'survival' mode methaporically speaking, and it's not looking up to preserve muscle, or hormones.

Spoiler: Proof

DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)

WE WANT AS LEAST CORTISOL AS POSSIBLE

* To avoid high intensity, don't do supersets between compound excercises, and give yourself respectable amount of rest

- Exposing yourself to estrogens, should i even mention this one? AVOID estrogens at all cost. Entering puberty with high estrogen = kill yourself.

- Sleep 7-9 hours, or even more, this is just an ideal range. It's best to go to sleep at 9PM because of natural melatonin production, but it's just worth mentioning right, not many people will do this. If you have trouble sleeping:
- Turn off your cellphone, or you can use it to watch some movies which will tire your eyes (Always worked for me )

- For better sleep, supplement with:

• Valerian root extract
• Chamomile root extract
• Mucuna pruriens extract
• ------------------------------------------------
• Delta sleep inducing peptide

Those are some herbs i can tell are legit for calming your body and they make you fall asleep. DSIP is mentioned here, give it a look

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

STUDIES

Spoiler: Penis

Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment

View attachment 509079
In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above

Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,

sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175



Study #2
To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively

The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks

Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3

Spoiler: Secondary sexual characteristics

Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.

Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)

after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased

Study number 2

Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416

For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)

Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks

Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.

INTERESTING STUFF

​

1. This is example of person with high DHT but 0 androgen receptors, that's why you wanna make sure you take L carnitine along your hormonemax supplements, remember it activates adrogen receptors

Spoiler: Example

View attachment 509216

2. Many ethnics (Middle east, north Africa, Persian area...) have high DHT production but low sensitivity to it. That's why they can grow beard earlier, and they have quite body hair. Indian subcontinent being the worst, having the lowest DHT / IGF-1 that comes with race, so they're balding, having pitch voices, short... Which totally makes DHT useless at this point to them.

Spoiler: INDIANS VS OTHERS

Mean lean muscle mass (kg)

black males = 65.6kg
White males = 62 kg
Hispanic males = 59.9 kg
Asian males = 59.6 kg
Indian males = 53.3 kg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc...

At any given body fat mass value, South Asians had significantly less lean mass than each of the three other groups after adjustment for age, height, humerus breadth, smoking status, physical activity, and diet. Aboriginal, Chinese, and European men had 3.42 kg [95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.55–5.29], 3.01 kg (95% CI = 1.33–4.70), and 3.57 kg (95% CI = 1.82–5.33) more lean mass than South Asian men at a given total fat mass, respectively"

Ethnic Variation in Fat and Lean Body Mass and the Association with Insulin Resistance

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/ar...

Asian Indians tend to have more abdominal adipose tissue, less lean body mass (LBM) and higher magnitude of insulin resistance (IR) despite falling in the normal range of body mass index (BMI) [1]. The high value of waist hip ratio in Asian Indians may be due to less lean mass of the hips and greater fat at the levels of waist [2]. Another study showed that Asian Indian men have low muscle mass and 30% more total body fat (BF) than other ethnic groups [3]. Low lean mass is also evident in Asian Indian neonates as compared to white Caucasian neonates [4].

http://journals.plos.org/plosone...

The lung capacity of Indians is 30 per cent lower than North Americans or Europeans or Chinese, making them highly vulnerable to diabetes, heart attacks or strokes, says a top scientist.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/toda...

"Asian Indians had more fat, both total and in the abdominal region, with less lean mass, skeletal muscle and bone mineral than all other ethnic groups"

Body size, body composition and fat distribution: comparative analysis of European, Maori, Pacific Island and Asian Indian adults.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"Asian Indians have different body phenotype from Europeans (36). The major differences are in high
body fat, high truncal, subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat, and low muscle mass."

Ethnicity and type 2 diabetes in Asian Indian migrants in Auckland, New Zealand (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public....nd_New_Zealand [accessed Dec 18 2017].

"In particular, there is accumulating evidence that South Asians may have a 'low fitness' phenotype which contributes to their elevated cardio-metabolic risk, and thus may particularly benefit from undertaking higher levels of physical activity [14]"

https://www.researchgate.net/figure....outh-Asian-men

In South Asians, a unique obesity phenotype of high abdominal fat is associated with increased cardiovascular risk

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...11335515001308

Studies in the South Asian diaspora residing in the U.K. during the early 1980s suggested the possibility of an Asian Indian or South Asian phenotype (Fig. 1). This term refers to a combination of characteristics that predisposes SA to the development of insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals...

3. DOCTORS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENDOCRINOLOGY
- They're only learned what's dangerous about steroids, and they doesn't learn about this in college. WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM ON SOME FUCKING FORUM,

going to a doc is pointless and frustrating, 80% of endocrinologists/urologists dont even know that something like HCG exists, they all see injectable testosterone as a Steroid abuser Hormone, which why they only prescribe testogel, they dont even prescribe AI's

... So it seems that we can help orselves rather than relying on the help of a doctor

CO-RELATION WITH SEMEN RETENTION !?

Spoiler: Co- relation

Alright let's use some logic instead, cause i'm lazy to do research after all this . When you fap, you ejacuate some testosterone, which could've been used by your body, but you dumped that extra T...

Spoiler: Co- relation

1. So how does our body use testosterone
- Through 5α- reduction, it either gets converted into DHT, or aromatised into estrogen. So by wasting that testosterone away, we dumped extra DHT, cause testosterone will be converted to DHT, if you aren't androgen dominant (T won't be converted to DHT), you wouldn't even have free T flowing to feel libido, motivation, energy... essentially free T is doing all the good things you think testosterone does. You can increase free T by taking proviron which lowers SHBG.

TL;DR
Masturbation = Low DHT

2. Since we know it's conversion - Does Nofap help us grow ?
- Can't answer that directly, but you saw my thread (from other forum) regarding heightmaxing, and it's discussed that DHT extends the bone growth. So by extracting that T which could be converted to DHT later, aren't we doing ourselves disadvantage in the long run?

Masturbation = Manlet

3. What happens to estrogen ?
- Meanwhile, your prolactin (Which causes low sex drive, and erectile dysfunction) is increasing. This effects in men because prolactin can stop the testes from producing testosterone. In some cases it may cause infertility, but this is pretty rare.

In males - Prolactinoma can cause decreased body or facial hair, and low bone density. Prolactin levels gets regulated to normal after one hour.

Masturbation = Prolactin release

Spoiler: How to reduce prolactin ?

"Now, on to the topic of suppressing prolactin; in this study, 300 mg’s of vitamin E for 8 weeks, decreased prolactin levels by a staggering 69% when compared to placebo in healthy human subjects."
ashwagandha:
"Furthermore, the same human study also found out that Ashwagandha lowered prolactin levels by a nice 15%."

Also @Sergeant, fix this problem with fucking spoilers.





REGARDS BALDING
View attachment 509271​

​

​

​

The effects of IGF-1 on the hair growth:



@BalkanPig @Kingkellz @john2 @Gudru @nelson @NickGurr @54UD4D3 @IncelWithNoLuck @Dr Shekelberg @Demonstrator @Chad1212​

High quality thread

 

[fatweewee123]

how do i even get dht gel

 

[PEking]

how do i even get dht gel

Andractim (2.5% DHT gel) from an EU pharmacy or 20% DHT gel (no prescription) from AlphaGels

 

[zadia]

So you want to increase your DHT? Say no more fella, cause i'm about to drop another banger.. let's begin:

DHT BENEFITS

​

• IN THE WOMB

- The amount of DHT receptors you'll going to have is predetermined in the womb
- Wrist size, ankle size, and bone antropometry in general is affected by DHT to an extend
- As the whole endocrine system is forming, not only DHT, but the amount of IGF-1, Gh, Testosterone/Estrogen receptors... are forming (Important for later)
- Prenatal T might be of a accurate indicator that we have high DHT

• IN PUBERTY

- It promotes masculinization of the face, growth of the jaw, hunter eyes appearance, brow ridge growth... and a big tall chin
- It can increase your dick size DRAMATICALLY, talking about few more inches
- DHT extends puberty. You can have benefits of the longer puberty
- You can grow facial hair earlier than the others.
- Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
- Frame growth
- Higher DHT is responsible for 'logical' thinking, so you're thinking better (maturity), and sudden low inhib is result of that

• IN ADULTHDOOD

- DHT helps keep your growth plates open by antagonizing estrogen. Instead of your plates fusing at 19, you might probably extend it to 25.
- Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
- You can still grow facial hair if you expose yourself to DHT later in life.
- In late puberty (17- 19), you can still deepen your voice to some extend.
- (ANECDOTAL) Some people reported growth of their frame

HOW TO INCREASE DHT

​

* Don't choose SARMS, cause they promote no androgen activity. Nandrolone derivarives don't cause balding but DHT derivarives are superior for ENCHANCING DHT specifically.

DOSAGES

Dosages depends on 50 - 250mg, remember the more the higher risk. idk which roid is better for what but my man explained it well for me:

View attachment 509249


...NATURALLY?

i've mentioned things that are legit, don't ever comment 'boron' or things like 'DHEA' cause they increases estrogen and speaking of input/reward ratio, you are likely going to lose.
​

Blue = DHT​

Green = Testosterone​

Red = AVOID​

​

- Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors) @EternalLearner is taking this herb and he reported some benefits

- Taking Creatine, which supposedly increases DHT production by 50％ more itself, there are studies proving this, creatine is cheap supplement, and best you can get the most out of (Speaking of androgenmaxxing).

- Taking L-Carnitine, it sensitize the androgen receptors. Carnitine occurs naturally in meats and fish.

- Megadose Vit E, about 500mg/day, it is proven to reduce prolactin levels bu 70％, i'm going to talk about this in nofap section, just another estrogen acumulating over time causing bitch tits gynecomastia...

- Taking ashwagandha - plant that is reducing cortisol (Which further increases testosterone which is gonna be convertable to DHT later...), ashwagandha supress prolactin levels by like 15％ i recall.

- Lifting weights, hit atleast 2 bodyparts per day, and supplement magnesium after your workouts to lower cortisol. Don't go too intense because it might put your body under 'stress' mode, which will only increase cortisol and burn off additional calories - ⚠ IMPORTANT. If you want to lose weights, you are screwing your testosterone production, because like i said, you don't have the foundation to produce your hormones, even if you do something weightloss for your body:

- Starving yourself, doing high intensity workouts, sweating... It's all bad for your body and will make up bunch of cortisol because your body is on 'survival' mode methaporically speaking, and it's not looking up to preserve muscle, or hormones.

Spoiler: Proof

DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)

WE WANT AS LEAST CORTISOL AS POSSIBLE

* To avoid high intensity, don't do supersets between compound excercises, and give yourself respectable amount of rest

- Exposing yourself to estrogens, should i even mention this one? AVOID estrogens at all cost. Entering puberty with high estrogen = kill yourself.

- Sleep 7-9 hours, or even more, this is just an ideal range. It's best to go to sleep at 9PM because of natural melatonin production, but it's just worth mentioning right, not many people will do this. If you have trouble sleeping:
- Turn off your cellphone, or you can use it to watch some movies which will tire your eyes (Always worked for me )

- For better sleep, supplement with:

• Valerian root extract
• Chamomile root extract
• Mucuna pruriens extract
• ------------------------------------------------
• Delta sleep inducing peptide

Those are some herbs i can tell are legit for calming your body and they make you fall asleep. DSIP is mentioned here, give it a look

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

STUDIES

Spoiler: Penis

Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment

View attachment 509079
In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above

Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,

sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175



Study #2
To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively

The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks

Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3

Spoiler: Secondary sexual characteristics

Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.

Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)

after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased

Study number 2

Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416

For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)

Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks

Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.

INTERESTING STUFF

​

1. This is example of person with high DHT but 0 androgen receptors, that's why you wanna make sure you take L carnitine along your hormonemax supplements, remember it activates adrogen receptors

Spoiler: Example

View attachment 509216

2. Many ethnics (Middle east, north Africa, Persian area...) have high DHT production but low sensitivity to it. That's why they can grow beard earlier, and they have quite body hair. Indian subcontinent being the worst, having the lowest DHT / IGF-1 that comes with race, so they're balding, having pitch voices, short... Which totally makes DHT useless at this point to them.

Spoiler: INDIANS VS OTHERS

Mean lean muscle mass (kg)

black males = 65.6kg
White males = 62 kg
Hispanic males = 59.9 kg
Asian males = 59.6 kg
Indian males = 53.3 kg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc...

At any given body fat mass value, South Asians had significantly less lean mass than each of the three other groups after adjustment for age, height, humerus breadth, smoking status, physical activity, and diet. Aboriginal, Chinese, and European men had 3.42 kg [95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.55–5.29], 3.01 kg (95% CI = 1.33–4.70), and 3.57 kg (95% CI = 1.82–5.33) more lean mass than South Asian men at a given total fat mass, respectively"

Ethnic Variation in Fat and Lean Body Mass and the Association with Insulin Resistance

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/ar...

Asian Indians tend to have more abdominal adipose tissue, less lean body mass (LBM) and higher magnitude of insulin resistance (IR) despite falling in the normal range of body mass index (BMI) [1]. The high value of waist hip ratio in Asian Indians may be due to less lean mass of the hips and greater fat at the levels of waist [2]. Another study showed that Asian Indian men have low muscle mass and 30% more total body fat (BF) than other ethnic groups [3]. Low lean mass is also evident in Asian Indian neonates as compared to white Caucasian neonates [4].

http://journals.plos.org/plosone...

The lung capacity of Indians is 30 per cent lower than North Americans or Europeans or Chinese, making them highly vulnerable to diabetes, heart attacks or strokes, says a top scientist.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/toda...

"Asian Indians had more fat, both total and in the abdominal region, with less lean mass, skeletal muscle and bone mineral than all other ethnic groups"

Body size, body composition and fat distribution: comparative analysis of European, Maori, Pacific Island and Asian Indian adults.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"Asian Indians have different body phenotype from Europeans (36). The major differences are in high
body fat, high truncal, subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat, and low muscle mass."

Ethnicity and type 2 diabetes in Asian Indian migrants in Auckland, New Zealand (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public....nd_New_Zealand [accessed Dec 18 2017].

"In particular, there is accumulating evidence that South Asians may have a 'low fitness' phenotype which contributes to their elevated cardio-metabolic risk, and thus may particularly benefit from undertaking higher levels of physical activity [14]"

https://www.researchgate.net/figure....outh-Asian-men

In South Asians, a unique obesity phenotype of high abdominal fat is associated with increased cardiovascular risk

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...11335515001308

Studies in the South Asian diaspora residing in the U.K. during the early 1980s suggested the possibility of an Asian Indian or South Asian phenotype (Fig. 1). This term refers to a combination of characteristics that predisposes SA to the development of insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals...

3. DOCTORS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENDOCRINOLOGY
- They're only learned what's dangerous about steroids, and they doesn't learn about this in college. WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM ON SOME FUCKING FORUM,

going to a doc is pointless and frustrating, 80% of endocrinologists/urologists dont even know that something like HCG exists, they all see injectable testosterone as a Steroid abuser Hormone, which why they only prescribe testogel, they dont even prescribe AI's

... So it seems that we can help orselves rather than relying on the help of a doctor

CO-RELATION WITH SEMEN RETENTION !?

Spoiler: Co- relation

Alright let's use some logic instead, cause i'm lazy to do research after all this . When you fap, you ejacuate some testosterone, which could've been used by your body, but you dumped that extra T...

Spoiler: Co- relation

1. So how does our body use testosterone
- Through 5α- reduction, it either gets converted into DHT, or aromatised into estrogen. So by wasting that testosterone away, we dumped extra DHT, cause testosterone will be converted to DHT, if you aren't androgen dominant (T won't be converted to DHT), you wouldn't even have free T flowing to feel libido, motivation, energy... essentially free T is doing all the good things you think testosterone does. You can increase free T by taking proviron which lowers SHBG.

TL;DR
Masturbation = Low DHT

2. Since we know it's conversion - Does Nofap help us grow ?
- Can't answer that directly, but you saw my thread (from other forum) regarding heightmaxing, and it's discussed that DHT extends the bone growth. So by extracting that T which could be converted to DHT later, aren't we doing ourselves disadvantage in the long run?

Masturbation = Manlet

3. What happens to estrogen ?
- Meanwhile, your prolactin (Which causes low sex drive, and erectile dysfunction) is increasing. This effects in men because prolactin can stop the testes from producing testosterone. In some cases it may cause infertility, but this is pretty rare.

In males - Prolactinoma can cause decreased body or facial hair, and low bone density. Prolactin levels gets regulated to normal after one hour.

Masturbation = Prolactin release

Spoiler: How to reduce prolactin ?

"Now, on to the topic of suppressing prolactin; in this study, 300 mg’s of vitamin E for 8 weeks, decreased prolactin levels by a staggering 69% when compared to placebo in healthy human subjects."
ashwagandha:
"Furthermore, the same human study also found out that Ashwagandha lowered prolactin levels by a nice 15%."

Also @Sergeant, fix this problem with fucking spoilers.





REGARDS BALDING
View attachment 509271​

​

​

​

The effects of IGF-1 on the hair growth:



@BalkanPig @Kingkellz @john2 @Gudru @nelson @NickGurr @54UD4D3 @IncelWithNoLuck @Dr Shekelberg @Demonstrator @Chad1212​

500mg of vitamin E? Do you mean IU?

 

[trigger]

JFL if you're not using topical 11-KDHT and Androsterone daily

Gigacope thread

Could you explain this?

 

[cc_7373]

lmao why is there a baldmaxxing guide in BOTB. DHT causes balding

Low level rage bait

 

[typeshitboutme]

So you want to increase your DHT? Say no more fella, cause i'm about to drop another banger.. let's begin:

DHT BENEFITS

​

• IN THE WOMB

- The amount of DHT receptors you'll going to have is predetermined in the womb
- Wrist size, ankle size, and bone antropometry in general is affected by DHT to an extend
- As the whole endocrine system is forming, not only DHT, but the amount of IGF-1, Gh, Testosterone/Estrogen receptors... are forming (Important for later)
- Prenatal T might be of a accurate indicator that we have high DHT

• IN PUBERTY

- It promotes masculinization of the face, growth of the jaw, hunter eyes appearance, brow ridge growth... and a big tall chin
- It can increase your dick size DRAMATICALLY, talking about few more inches
- DHT extends puberty. You can have benefits of the longer puberty
- You can grow facial hair earlier than the others.
- Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
- Frame growth
- Higher DHT is responsible for 'logical' thinking, so you're thinking better (maturity), and sudden low inhib is result of that

• IN ADULTHDOOD

- DHT helps keep your growth plates open by antagonizing estrogen. Instead of your plates fusing at 19, you might probably extend it to 25.
- Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
- You can still grow facial hair if you expose yourself to DHT later in life.
- In late puberty (17- 19), you can still deepen your voice to some extend.
- (ANECDOTAL) Some people reported growth of their frame

HOW TO INCREASE DHT

​

* Don't choose SARMS, cause they promote no androgen activity. Nandrolone derivarives don't cause balding but DHT derivarives are superior for ENCHANCING DHT specifically.

DOSAGES

Dosages depends on 50 - 250mg, remember the more the higher risk. idk which roid is better for what but my man explained it well for me:

View attachment 509249


...NATURALLY?

i've mentioned things that are legit, don't ever comment 'boron' or things like 'DHEA' cause they increases estrogen and speaking of input/reward ratio, you are likely going to lose.
​

Blue = DHT​

Green = Testosterone​

Red = AVOID​

​

- Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors) @EternalLearner is taking this herb and he reported some benefits

- Taking Creatine, which supposedly increases DHT production by 50％ more itself, there are studies proving this, creatine is cheap supplement, and best you can get the most out of (Speaking of androgenmaxxing).

- Taking L-Carnitine, it sensitize the androgen receptors. Carnitine occurs naturally in meats and fish.

- Megadose Vit E, about 500mg/day, it is proven to reduce prolactin levels bu 70％, i'm going to talk about this in nofap section, just another estrogen acumulating over time causing bitch tits gynecomastia...

- Taking ashwagandha - plant that is reducing cortisol (Which further increases testosterone which is gonna be convertable to DHT later...), ashwagandha supress prolactin levels by like 15％ i recall.

- Lifting weights, hit atleast 2 bodyparts per day, and supplement magnesium after your workouts to lower cortisol. Don't go too intense because it might put your body under 'stress' mode, which will only increase cortisol and burn off additional calories - ⚠ IMPORTANT. If you want to lose weights, you are screwing your testosterone production, because like i said, you don't have the foundation to produce your hormones, even if you do something weightloss for your body:

- Starving yourself, doing high intensity workouts, sweating... It's all bad for your body and will make up bunch of cortisol because your body is on 'survival' mode methaporically speaking, and it's not looking up to preserve muscle, or hormones.

Spoiler: Proof

DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)

WE WANT AS LEAST CORTISOL AS POSSIBLE

* To avoid high intensity, don't do supersets between compound excercises, and give yourself respectable amount of rest

- Exposing yourself to estrogens, should i even mention this one? AVOID estrogens at all cost. Entering puberty with high estrogen = kill yourself.

- Sleep 7-9 hours, or even more, this is just an ideal range. It's best to go to sleep at 9PM because of natural melatonin production, but it's just worth mentioning right, not many people will do this. If you have trouble sleeping:
- Turn off your cellphone, or you can use it to watch some movies which will tire your eyes (Always worked for me )

- For better sleep, supplement with:

• Valerian root extract
• Chamomile root extract
• Mucuna pruriens extract
• ------------------------------------------------
• Delta sleep inducing peptide

Those are some herbs i can tell are legit for calming your body and they make you fall asleep. DSIP is mentioned here, give it a look

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

STUDIES

Spoiler: Penis

Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment

View attachment 509079
In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above

Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,

sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175



Study #2
To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively

The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks

Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3

Spoiler: Secondary sexual characteristics

Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.

Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)

after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased

Study number 2

Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416

For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)

Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks

Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.

INTERESTING STUFF

​

1. This is example of person with high DHT but 0 androgen receptors, that's why you wanna make sure you take L carnitine along your hormonemax supplements, remember it activates adrogen receptors

Spoiler: Example

View attachment 509216

2. Many ethnics (Middle east, north Africa, Persian area...) have high DHT production but low sensitivity to it. That's why they can grow beard earlier, and they have quite body hair. Indian subcontinent being the worst, having the lowest DHT / IGF-1 that comes with race, so they're balding, having pitch voices, short... Which totally makes DHT useless at this point to them.

Spoiler: INDIANS VS OTHERS

Mean lean muscle mass (kg)

black males = 65.6kg
White males = 62 kg
Hispanic males = 59.9 kg
Asian males = 59.6 kg
Indian males = 53.3 kg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc...

At any given body fat mass value, South Asians had significantly less lean mass than each of the three other groups after adjustment for age, height, humerus breadth, smoking status, physical activity, and diet. Aboriginal, Chinese, and European men had 3.42 kg [95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.55–5.29], 3.01 kg (95% CI = 1.33–4.70), and 3.57 kg (95% CI = 1.82–5.33) more lean mass than South Asian men at a given total fat mass, respectively"

Ethnic Variation in Fat and Lean Body Mass and the Association with Insulin Resistance

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/ar...

Asian Indians tend to have more abdominal adipose tissue, less lean body mass (LBM) and higher magnitude of insulin resistance (IR) despite falling in the normal range of body mass index (BMI) [1]. The high value of waist hip ratio in Asian Indians may be due to less lean mass of the hips and greater fat at the levels of waist [2]. Another study showed that Asian Indian men have low muscle mass and 30% more total body fat (BF) than other ethnic groups [3]. Low lean mass is also evident in Asian Indian neonates as compared to white Caucasian neonates [4].

http://journals.plos.org/plosone...

The lung capacity of Indians is 30 per cent lower than North Americans or Europeans or Chinese, making them highly vulnerable to diabetes, heart attacks or strokes, says a top scientist.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/toda...

"Asian Indians had more fat, both total and in the abdominal region, with less lean mass, skeletal muscle and bone mineral than all other ethnic groups"

Body size, body composition and fat distribution: comparative analysis of European, Maori, Pacific Island and Asian Indian adults.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"Asian Indians have different body phenotype from Europeans (36). The major differences are in high
body fat, high truncal, subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat, and low muscle mass."

Ethnicity and type 2 diabetes in Asian Indian migrants in Auckland, New Zealand (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public....nd_New_Zealand [accessed Dec 18 2017].

"In particular, there is accumulating evidence that South Asians may have a 'low fitness' phenotype which contributes to their elevated cardio-metabolic risk, and thus may particularly benefit from undertaking higher levels of physical activity [14]"

https://www.researchgate.net/figure....outh-Asian-men

In South Asians, a unique obesity phenotype of high abdominal fat is associated with increased cardiovascular risk

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...11335515001308

Studies in the South Asian diaspora residing in the U.K. during the early 1980s suggested the possibility of an Asian Indian or South Asian phenotype (Fig. 1). This term refers to a combination of characteristics that predisposes SA to the development of insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals...

3. DOCTORS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENDOCRINOLOGY
- They're only learned what's dangerous about steroids, and they doesn't learn about this in college. WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM ON SOME FUCKING FORUM,

going to a doc is pointless and frustrating, 80% of endocrinologists/urologists dont even know that something like HCG exists, they all see injectable testosterone as a Steroid abuser Hormone, which why they only prescribe testogel, they dont even prescribe AI's

... So it seems that we can help orselves rather than relying on the help of a doctor

CO-RELATION WITH SEMEN RETENTION !?

Spoiler: Co- relation

Alright let's use some logic instead, cause i'm lazy to do research after all this . When you fap, you ejacuate some testosterone, which could've been used by your body, but you dumped that extra T...

Spoiler: Co- relation

1. So how does our body use testosterone
- Through 5α- reduction, it either gets converted into DHT, or aromatised into estrogen. So by wasting that testosterone away, we dumped extra DHT, cause testosterone will be converted to DHT, if you aren't androgen dominant (T won't be converted to DHT), you wouldn't even have free T flowing to feel libido, motivation, energy... essentially free T is doing all the good things you think testosterone does. You can increase free T by taking proviron which lowers SHBG.

TL;DR
Masturbation = Low DHT

2. Since we know it's conversion - Does Nofap help us grow ?
- Can't answer that directly, but you saw my thread (from other forum) regarding heightmaxing, and it's discussed that DHT extends the bone growth. So by extracting that T which could be converted to DHT later, aren't we doing ourselves disadvantage in the long run?

Masturbation = Manlet

3. What happens to estrogen ?
- Meanwhile, your prolactin (Which causes low sex drive, and erectile dysfunction) is increasing. This effects in men because prolactin can stop the testes from producing testosterone. In some cases it may cause infertility, but this is pretty rare.

In males - Prolactinoma can cause decreased body or facial hair, and low bone density. Prolactin levels gets regulated to normal after one hour.

Masturbation = Prolactin release

Spoiler: How to reduce prolactin ?

"Now, on to the topic of suppressing prolactin; in this study, 300 mg’s of vitamin E for 8 weeks, decreased prolactin levels by a staggering 69% when compared to placebo in healthy human subjects."
ashwagandha:
"Furthermore, the same human study also found out that Ashwagandha lowered prolactin levels by a nice 15%."

Also @Sergeant, fix this problem with fucking spoilers.





REGARDS BALDING
View attachment 509271​

​

​

​

The effects of IGF-1 on the hair growth:



@BalkanPig @Kingkellz @john2 @Gudru @nelson @NickGurr @54UD4D3 @IncelWithNoLuck @Dr Shekelberg @Demonstrator @Chad1212​

W thread

 

[GlamourPursuer]

do cigs increase dht tbh

 

[Funnyunenjoyer1]

do cigs increase dht tbh

yes they do

 

[realshit]

Bene, usiamo un po' di logica, perché sono pigro a fare ricerche dopo tutto questo . Quando ti masturbi, eiaculi un po' di testosterone, che avrebbe potuto essere usato dal tuo corpo, ma hai scaricato quel T in più...

what do you think about this

 

[Deleted member 108395]

This is example of person with high DHT but 0 androgen receptors

so dht without androgen is useless for us
but there is some NATURAL way to increase it
-Intermittent Fasting
vitamin D
-Increase Protein Intake
-Resistance Training
and more from This

 

[SquareChinOrDeath]

Sponsored by the norwood reaper.

 

[rossover]

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

this is retarded asf its for people with hormone deficiencies not regular people

 

[jsp]

So you want to increase your DHT? Say no more fella, cause i'm about to drop another banger.. let's begin:

DHT BENEFITS

​

• IN THE WOMB

- The amount of DHT receptors you'll going to have is predetermined in the womb
- Wrist size, ankle size, and bone antropometry in general is affected by DHT to an extend
- As the whole endocrine system is forming, not only DHT, but the amount of IGF-1, Gh, Testosterone/Estrogen receptors... are forming (Important for later)
- Prenatal T might be of a accurate indicator that we have high DHT

• IN PUBERTY

- It promotes masculinization of the face, growth of the jaw, hunter eyes appearance, brow ridge growth... and a big tall chin
- It can increase your dick size DRAMATICALLY, talking about few more inches
- DHT extends puberty. You can have benefits of the longer puberty
- You can grow facial hair earlier than the others.
- Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
- Frame growth
- Higher DHT is responsible for 'logical' thinking, so you're thinking better (maturity), and sudden low inhib is result of that

• IN ADULTHDOOD

- DHT helps keep your growth plates open by antagonizing estrogen. Instead of your plates fusing at 19, you might probably extend it to 25.
- Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
- You can still grow facial hair if you expose yourself to DHT later in life.
- In late puberty (17- 19), you can still deepen your voice to some extend.
- (ANECDOTAL) Some people reported growth of their frame

HOW TO INCREASE DHT

​

* Don't choose SARMS, cause they promote no androgen activity. Nandrolone derivarives don't cause balding but DHT derivarives are superior for ENCHANCING DHT specifically.

DOSAGES

Dosages depends on 50 - 250mg, remember the more the higher risk. idk which roid is better for what but my man explained it well for me:

View attachment 509249


...NATURALLY?

i've mentioned things that are legit, don't ever comment 'boron' or things like 'DHEA' cause they increases estrogen and speaking of input/reward ratio, you are likely going to lose.
​

Blue = DHT​

Green = Testosterone​

Red = AVOID​

​

- Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors) @EternalLearner is taking this herb and he reported some benefits

- Taking Creatine, which supposedly increases DHT production by 50％ more itself, there are studies proving this, creatine is cheap supplement, and best you can get the most out of (Speaking of androgenmaxxing).

- Taking L-Carnitine, it sensitize the androgen receptors. Carnitine occurs naturally in meats and fish.

- Megadose Vit E, about 500mg/day, it is proven to reduce prolactin levels bu 70％, i'm going to talk about this in nofap section, just another estrogen acumulating over time causing bitch tits gynecomastia...

- Taking ashwagandha - plant that is reducing cortisol (Which further increases testosterone which is gonna be convertable to DHT later...), ashwagandha supress prolactin levels by like 15％ i recall.

- Lifting weights, hit atleast 2 bodyparts per day, and supplement magnesium after your workouts to lower cortisol. Don't go too intense because it might put your body under 'stress' mode, which will only increase cortisol and burn off additional calories - ⚠ IMPORTANT. If you want to lose weights, you are screwing your testosterone production, because like i said, you don't have the foundation to produce your hormones, even if you do something weightloss for your body:

- Starving yourself, doing high intensity workouts, sweating... It's all bad for your body and will make up bunch of cortisol because your body is on 'survival' mode methaporically speaking, and it's not looking up to preserve muscle, or hormones.

Spoiler: Proof

DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)

WE WANT AS LEAST CORTISOL AS POSSIBLE

* To avoid high intensity, don't do supersets between compound excercises, and give yourself respectable amount of rest

- Exposing yourself to estrogens, should i even mention this one? AVOID estrogens at all cost. Entering puberty with high estrogen = kill yourself.

- Sleep 7-9 hours, or even more, this is just an ideal range. It's best to go to sleep at 9PM because of natural melatonin production, but it's just worth mentioning right, not many people will do this. If you have trouble sleeping:
- Turn off your cellphone, or you can use it to watch some movies which will tire your eyes (Always worked for me )

- For better sleep, supplement with:

• Valerian root extract
• Chamomile root extract
• Mucuna pruriens extract
• ------------------------------------------------
• Delta sleep inducing peptide

Those are some herbs i can tell are legit for calming your body and they make you fall asleep. DSIP is mentioned here, give it a look

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

STUDIES

Spoiler: Penis

Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment

View attachment 509079
In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above

Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,

sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175



Study #2
To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively

The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks

Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3

Spoiler: Secondary sexual characteristics

Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.

Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)

after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased

Study number 2

Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416

For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)

Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks

Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.

INTERESTING STUFF

​

1. This is example of person with high DHT but 0 androgen receptors, that's why you wanna make sure you take L carnitine along your hormonemax supplements, remember it activates adrogen receptors

Spoiler: Example

View attachment 509216

2. Many ethnics (Middle east, north Africa, Persian area...) have high DHT production but low sensitivity to it. That's why they can grow beard earlier, and they have quite body hair. Indian subcontinent being the worst, having the lowest DHT / IGF-1 that comes with race, so they're balding, having pitch voices, short... Which totally makes DHT useless at this point to them.

Spoiler: INDIANS VS OTHERS

Mean lean muscle mass (kg)

black males = 65.6kg
White males = 62 kg
Hispanic males = 59.9 kg
Asian males = 59.6 kg
Indian males = 53.3 kg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc...

At any given body fat mass value, South Asians had significantly less lean mass than each of the three other groups after adjustment for age, height, humerus breadth, smoking status, physical activity, and diet. Aboriginal, Chinese, and European men had 3.42 kg [95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.55–5.29], 3.01 kg (95% CI = 1.33–4.70), and 3.57 kg (95% CI = 1.82–5.33) more lean mass than South Asian men at a given total fat mass, respectively"

Ethnic Variation in Fat and Lean Body Mass and the Association with Insulin Resistance

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/ar...

Asian Indians tend to have more abdominal adipose tissue, less lean body mass (LBM) and higher magnitude of insulin resistance (IR) despite falling in the normal range of body mass index (BMI) [1]. The high value of waist hip ratio in Asian Indians may be due to less lean mass of the hips and greater fat at the levels of waist [2]. Another study showed that Asian Indian men have low muscle mass and 30% more total body fat (BF) than other ethnic groups [3]. Low lean mass is also evident in Asian Indian neonates as compared to white Caucasian neonates [4].

http://journals.plos.org/plosone...

The lung capacity of Indians is 30 per cent lower than North Americans or Europeans or Chinese, making them highly vulnerable to diabetes, heart attacks or strokes, says a top scientist.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/toda...

"Asian Indians had more fat, both total and in the abdominal region, with less lean mass, skeletal muscle and bone mineral than all other ethnic groups"

Body size, body composition and fat distribution: comparative analysis of European, Maori, Pacific Island and Asian Indian adults.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"Asian Indians have different body phenotype from Europeans (36). The major differences are in high
body fat, high truncal, subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat, and low muscle mass."

Ethnicity and type 2 diabetes in Asian Indian migrants in Auckland, New Zealand (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public....nd_New_Zealand [accessed Dec 18 2017].

"In particular, there is accumulating evidence that South Asians may have a 'low fitness' phenotype which contributes to their elevated cardio-metabolic risk, and thus may particularly benefit from undertaking higher levels of physical activity [14]"

https://www.researchgate.net/figure....outh-Asian-men

In South Asians, a unique obesity phenotype of high abdominal fat is associated with increased cardiovascular risk

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...11335515001308

Studies in the South Asian diaspora residing in the U.K. during the early 1980s suggested the possibility of an Asian Indian or South Asian phenotype (Fig. 1). This term refers to a combination of characteristics that predisposes SA to the development of insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals...

3. DOCTORS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENDOCRINOLOGY
- They're only learned what's dangerous about steroids, and they doesn't learn about this in college. WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM ON SOME FUCKING FORUM,

going to a doc is pointless and frustrating, 80% of endocrinologists/urologists dont even know that something like HCG exists, they all see injectable testosterone as a Steroid abuser Hormone, which why they only prescribe testogel, they dont even prescribe AI's

... So it seems that we can help orselves rather than relying on the help of a doctor

CO-RELATION WITH SEMEN RETENTION !?

Spoiler: Co- relation

Alright let's use some logic instead, cause i'm lazy to do research after all this . When you fap, you ejacuate some testosterone, which could've been used by your body, but you dumped that extra T...

Spoiler: Co- relation

1. So how does our body use testosterone
- Through 5α- reduction, it either gets converted into DHT, or aromatised into estrogen. So by wasting that testosterone away, we dumped extra DHT, cause testosterone will be converted to DHT, if you aren't androgen dominant (T won't be converted to DHT), you wouldn't even have free T flowing to feel libido, motivation, energy... essentially free T is doing all the good things you think testosterone does. You can increase free T by taking proviron which lowers SHBG.

TL;DR
Masturbation = Low DHT

2. Since we know it's conversion - Does Nofap help us grow ?
- Can't answer that directly, but you saw my thread (from other forum) regarding heightmaxing, and it's discussed that DHT extends the bone growth. So by extracting that T which could be converted to DHT later, aren't we doing ourselves disadvantage in the long run?

Masturbation = Manlet

3. What happens to estrogen ?
- Meanwhile, your prolactin (Which causes low sex drive, and erectile dysfunction) is increasing. This effects in men because prolactin can stop the testes from producing testosterone. In some cases it may cause infertility, but this is pretty rare.

In males - Prolactinoma can cause decreased body or facial hair, and low bone density. Prolactin levels gets regulated to normal after one hour.

Masturbation = Prolactin release

Spoiler: How to reduce prolactin ?

"Now, on to the topic of suppressing prolactin; in this study, 300 mg’s of vitamin E for 8 weeks, decreased prolactin levels by a staggering 69% when compared to placebo in healthy human subjects."
ashwagandha:
"Furthermore, the same human study also found out that Ashwagandha lowered prolactin levels by a nice 15%."

Also @Sergeant, fix this problem with fucking spoilers.





REGARDS BALDING
View attachment 509271​

​

​

​

The effects of IGF-1 on the hair growth:



@BalkanPig @Kingkellz @john2 @Gudru @nelson @NickGurr @54UD4D3 @IncelWithNoLuck @Dr Shekelberg @Demonstrator @Chad1212​

DHT Will just give u acne asf u Will end disgusting

 

[chadmanlet04]

proviron is great for raising DHT and free test due to SHBG interaction

 

[The Dark Phoenix]

ya cool story bro idk why i would increase my dht

 

[iblamericky]

dnr but bookmarked for later, thank u bhai

 

[jefty]

So you want to increase your DHT? Say no more fella, cause i'm about to drop another banger.. let's begin:

DHT BENEFITS

​

• IN THE WOMB

- The amount of DHT receptors you'll going to have is predetermined in the womb
- Wrist size, ankle size, and bone antropometry in general is affected by DHT to an extend
- As the whole endocrine system is forming, not only DHT, but the amount of IGF-1, Gh, Testosterone/Estrogen receptors... are forming (Important for later)
- Prenatal T might be of a accurate indicator that we have high DHT

• IN PUBERTY

- It promotes masculinization of the face, growth of the jaw, hunter eyes appearance, brow ridge growth... and a big tall chin
- It can increase your dick size DRAMATICALLY, talking about few more inches
- DHT extends puberty. You can have benefits of the longer puberty
- You can grow facial hair earlier than the others.
- Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
- Frame growth
- Higher DHT is responsible for 'logical' thinking, so you're thinking better (maturity), and sudden low inhib is result of that

• IN ADULTHDOOD

- DHT helps keep your growth plates open by antagonizing estrogen. Instead of your plates fusing at 19, you might probably extend it to 25.
- Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
- You can still grow facial hair if you expose yourself to DHT later in life.
- In late puberty (17- 19), you can still deepen your voice to some extend.
- (ANECDOTAL) Some people reported growth of their frame

HOW TO INCREASE DHT

​

* Don't choose SARMS, cause they promote no androgen activity. Nandrolone derivarives don't cause balding but DHT derivarives are superior for ENCHANCING DHT specifically.

DOSAGES

Dosages depends on 50 - 250mg, remember the more the higher risk. idk which roid is better for what but my man explained it well for me:

View attachment 509249


...NATURALLY?

i've mentioned things that are legit, don't ever comment 'boron' or things like 'DHEA' cause they increases estrogen and speaking of input/reward ratio, you are likely going to lose.
​

Blue = DHT​

Green = Testosterone​

Red = AVOID​

​

- Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors) @EternalLearner is taking this herb and he reported some benefits

- Taking Creatine, which supposedly increases DHT production by 50％ more itself, there are studies proving this, creatine is cheap supplement, and best you can get the most out of (Speaking of androgenmaxxing).

- Taking L-Carnitine, it sensitize the androgen receptors. Carnitine occurs naturally in meats and fish.

- Megadose Vit E, about 500mg/day, it is proven to reduce prolactin levels bu 70％, i'm going to talk about this in nofap section, just another estrogen acumulating over time causing bitch tits gynecomastia...

- Taking ashwagandha - plant that is reducing cortisol (Which further increases testosterone which is gonna be convertable to DHT later...), ashwagandha supress prolactin levels by like 15％ i recall.

- Lifting weights, hit atleast 2 bodyparts per day, and supplement magnesium after your workouts to lower cortisol. Don't go too intense because it might put your body under 'stress' mode, which will only increase cortisol and burn off additional calories - ⚠ IMPORTANT. If you want to lose weights, you are screwing your testosterone production, because like i said, you don't have the foundation to produce your hormones, even if you do something weightloss for your body:

- Starving yourself, doing high intensity workouts, sweating... It's all bad for your body and will make up bunch of cortisol because your body is on 'survival' mode methaporically speaking, and it's not looking up to preserve muscle, or hormones.

Spoiler: Proof

DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)

WE WANT AS LEAST CORTISOL AS POSSIBLE

* To avoid high intensity, don't do supersets between compound excercises, and give yourself respectable amount of rest

- Exposing yourself to estrogens, should i even mention this one? AVOID estrogens at all cost. Entering puberty with high estrogen = kill yourself.

- Sleep 7-9 hours, or even more, this is just an ideal range. It's best to go to sleep at 9PM because of natural melatonin production, but it's just worth mentioning right, not many people will do this. If you have trouble sleeping:
- Turn off your cellphone, or you can use it to watch some movies which will tire your eyes (Always worked for me )

- For better sleep, supplement with:

• Valerian root extract
• Chamomile root extract
• Mucuna pruriens extract
• ------------------------------------------------
• Delta sleep inducing peptide

Those are some herbs i can tell are legit for calming your body and they make you fall asleep. DSIP is mentioned here, give it a look

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

STUDIES

Spoiler: Penis

Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment

View attachment 509079
In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above

Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,

sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175



Study #2
To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively

The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks

Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3

Spoiler: Secondary sexual characteristics

Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.

Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)

after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased

Study number 2

Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416

For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)

Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks

Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.

INTERESTING STUFF

​

1. This is example of person with high DHT but 0 androgen receptors, that's why you wanna make sure you take L carnitine along your hormonemax supplements, remember it activates adrogen receptors

Spoiler: Example

View attachment 509216

2. Many ethnics (Middle east, north Africa, Persian area...) have high DHT production but low sensitivity to it. That's why they can grow beard earlier, and they have quite body hair. Indian subcontinent being the worst, having the lowest DHT / IGF-1 that comes with race, so they're balding, having pitch voices, short... Which totally makes DHT useless at this point to them.

Spoiler: INDIANS VS OTHERS

Mean lean muscle mass (kg)

black males = 65.6kg
White males = 62 kg
Hispanic males = 59.9 kg
Asian males = 59.6 kg
Indian males = 53.3 kg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc...

At any given body fat mass value, South Asians had significantly less lean mass than each of the three other groups after adjustment for age, height, humerus breadth, smoking status, physical activity, and diet. Aboriginal, Chinese, and European men had 3.42 kg [95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.55–5.29], 3.01 kg (95% CI = 1.33–4.70), and 3.57 kg (95% CI = 1.82–5.33) more lean mass than South Asian men at a given total fat mass, respectively"

Ethnic Variation in Fat and Lean Body Mass and the Association with Insulin Resistance

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/ar...

Asian Indians tend to have more abdominal adipose tissue, less lean body mass (LBM) and higher magnitude of insulin resistance (IR) despite falling in the normal range of body mass index (BMI) [1]. The high value of waist hip ratio in Asian Indians may be due to less lean mass of the hips and greater fat at the levels of waist [2]. Another study showed that Asian Indian men have low muscle mass and 30% more total body fat (BF) than other ethnic groups [3]. Low lean mass is also evident in Asian Indian neonates as compared to white Caucasian neonates [4].

http://journals.plos.org/plosone...

The lung capacity of Indians is 30 per cent lower than North Americans or Europeans or Chinese, making them highly vulnerable to diabetes, heart attacks or strokes, says a top scientist.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/toda...

"Asian Indians had more fat, both total and in the abdominal region, with less lean mass, skeletal muscle and bone mineral than all other ethnic groups"

Body size, body composition and fat distribution: comparative analysis of European, Maori, Pacific Island and Asian Indian adults.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"Asian Indians have different body phenotype from Europeans (36). The major differences are in high
body fat, high truncal, subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat, and low muscle mass."

Ethnicity and type 2 diabetes in Asian Indian migrants in Auckland, New Zealand (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public....nd_New_Zealand [accessed Dec 18 2017].

"In particular, there is accumulating evidence that South Asians may have a 'low fitness' phenotype which contributes to their elevated cardio-metabolic risk, and thus may particularly benefit from undertaking higher levels of physical activity [14]"

https://www.researchgate.net/figure....outh-Asian-men

In South Asians, a unique obesity phenotype of high abdominal fat is associated with increased cardiovascular risk

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...11335515001308

Studies in the South Asian diaspora residing in the U.K. during the early 1980s suggested the possibility of an Asian Indian or South Asian phenotype (Fig. 1). This term refers to a combination of characteristics that predisposes SA to the development of insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals...

3. DOCTORS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENDOCRINOLOGY
- They're only learned what's dangerous about steroids, and they doesn't learn about this in college. WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM ON SOME FUCKING FORUM,

going to a doc is pointless and frustrating, 80% of endocrinologists/urologists dont even know that something like HCG exists, they all see injectable testosterone as a Steroid abuser Hormone, which why they only prescribe testogel, they dont even prescribe AI's

... So it seems that we can help orselves rather than relying on the help of a doctor

CO-RELATION WITH SEMEN RETENTION !?

Spoiler: Co- relation

Alright let's use some logic instead, cause i'm lazy to do research after all this . When you fap, you ejacuate some testosterone, which could've been used by your body, but you dumped that extra T...

Spoiler: Co- relation

1. So how does our body use testosterone
- Through 5α- reduction, it either gets converted into DHT, or aromatised into estrogen. So by wasting that testosterone away, we dumped extra DHT, cause testosterone will be converted to DHT, if you aren't androgen dominant (T won't be converted to DHT), you wouldn't even have free T flowing to feel libido, motivation, energy... essentially free T is doing all the good things you think testosterone does. You can increase free T by taking proviron which lowers SHBG.

TL;DR
Masturbation = Low DHT

2. Since we know it's conversion - Does Nofap help us grow ?
- Can't answer that directly, but you saw my thread (from other forum) regarding heightmaxing, and it's discussed that DHT extends the bone growth. So by extracting that T which could be converted to DHT later, aren't we doing ourselves disadvantage in the long run?

Masturbation = Manlet

3. What happens to estrogen ?
- Meanwhile, your prolactin (Which causes low sex drive, and erectile dysfunction) is increasing. This effects in men because prolactin can stop the testes from producing testosterone. In some cases it may cause infertility, but this is pretty rare.

In males - Prolactinoma can cause decreased body or facial hair, and low bone density. Prolactin levels gets regulated to normal after one hour.

Masturbation = Prolactin release

Spoiler: How to reduce prolactin ?

"Now, on to the topic of suppressing prolactin; in this study, 300 mg’s of vitamin E for 8 weeks, decreased prolactin levels by a staggering 69% when compared to placebo in healthy human subjects."
ashwagandha:
"Furthermore, the same human study also found out that Ashwagandha lowered prolactin levels by a nice 15%."

Also @Sergeant, fix this problem with fucking spoilers.





REGARDS BALDING
View attachment 509271​

​

​

​

The effects of IGF-1 on the hair growth:



@BalkanPig @Kingkellz @john2 @Gudru @nelson @NickGurr @54UD4D3 @IncelWithNoLuck @Dr Shekelberg @Demonstrator @Chad1212​

My congrats, the best thread i have seen in .org, btw dht increase bone mass too?

 

[jefty]

So you want to increase your DHT? Say no more fella, cause i'm about to drop another banger.. let's begin:

DHT BENEFITS

​

• IN THE WOMB

- The amount of DHT receptors you'll going to have is predetermined in the womb
- Wrist size, ankle size, and bone antropometry in general is affected by DHT to an extend
- As the whole endocrine system is forming, not only DHT, but the amount of IGF-1, Gh, Testosterone/Estrogen receptors... are forming (Important for later)
- Prenatal T might be of a accurate indicator that we have high DHT

• IN PUBERTY

- It promotes masculinization of the face, growth of the jaw, hunter eyes appearance, brow ridge growth... and a big tall chin
- It can increase your dick size DRAMATICALLY, talking about few more inches
- DHT extends puberty. You can have benefits of the longer puberty
- You can grow facial hair earlier than the others.
- Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
- Frame growth
- Higher DHT is responsible for 'logical' thinking, so you're thinking better (maturity), and sudden low inhib is result of that

• IN ADULTHDOOD

- DHT helps keep your growth plates open by antagonizing estrogen. Instead of your plates fusing at 19, you might probably extend it to 25.
- Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
- You can still grow facial hair if you expose yourself to DHT later in life.
- In late puberty (17- 19), you can still deepen your voice to some extend.
- (ANECDOTAL) Some people reported growth of their frame

HOW TO INCREASE DHT

​

* Don't choose SARMS, cause they promote no androgen activity. Nandrolone derivarives don't cause balding but DHT derivarives are superior for ENCHANCING DHT specifically.

DOSAGES

Dosages depends on 50 - 250mg, remember the more the higher risk. idk which roid is better for what but my man explained it well for me:

View attachment 509249


...NATURALLY?

i've mentioned things that are legit, don't ever comment 'boron' or things like 'DHEA' cause they increases estrogen and speaking of input/reward ratio, you are likely going to lose.
​

Blue = DHT​

Green = Testosterone​

Red = AVOID​

​

- Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors) @EternalLearner is taking this herb and he reported some benefits

- Taking Creatine, which supposedly increases DHT production by 50％ more itself, there are studies proving this, creatine is cheap supplement, and best you can get the most out of (Speaking of androgenmaxxing).

- Taking L-Carnitine, it sensitize the androgen receptors. Carnitine occurs naturally in meats and fish.

- Megadose Vit E, about 500mg/day, it is proven to reduce prolactin levels bu 70％, i'm going to talk about this in nofap section, just another estrogen acumulating over time causing bitch tits gynecomastia...

- Taking ashwagandha - plant that is reducing cortisol (Which further increases testosterone which is gonna be convertable to DHT later...), ashwagandha supress prolactin levels by like 15％ i recall.

- Lifting weights, hit atleast 2 bodyparts per day, and supplement magnesium after your workouts to lower cortisol. Don't go too intense because it might put your body under 'stress' mode, which will only increase cortisol and burn off additional calories - ⚠ IMPORTANT. If you want to lose weights, you are screwing your testosterone production, because like i said, you don't have the foundation to produce your hormones, even if you do something weightloss for your body:

- Starving yourself, doing high intensity workouts, sweating... It's all bad for your body and will make up bunch of cortisol because your body is on 'survival' mode methaporically speaking, and it's not looking up to preserve muscle, or hormones.

Spoiler: Proof

DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)

WE WANT AS LEAST CORTISOL AS POSSIBLE

* To avoid high intensity, don't do supersets between compound excercises, and give yourself respectable amount of rest

- Exposing yourself to estrogens, should i even mention this one? AVOID estrogens at all cost. Entering puberty with high estrogen = kill yourself.

- Sleep 7-9 hours, or even more, this is just an ideal range. It's best to go to sleep at 9PM because of natural melatonin production, but it's just worth mentioning right, not many people will do this. If you have trouble sleeping:
- Turn off your cellphone, or you can use it to watch some movies which will tire your eyes (Always worked for me )

- For better sleep, supplement with:

• Valerian root extract
• Chamomile root extract
• Mucuna pruriens extract
• ------------------------------------------------
• Delta sleep inducing peptide

Those are some herbs i can tell are legit for calming your body and they make you fall asleep. DSIP is mentioned here, give it a look

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

STUDIES

Spoiler: Penis

Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment

View attachment 509079
In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above

Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,

sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175



Study #2
To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively

The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks

Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3

Spoiler: Secondary sexual characteristics

Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.

Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)

after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased

Study number 2

Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416

For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)

Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks

Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.

INTERESTING STUFF

​

1. This is example of person with high DHT but 0 androgen receptors, that's why you wanna make sure you take L carnitine along your hormonemax supplements, remember it activates adrogen receptors

Spoiler: Example

View attachment 509216

2. Many ethnics (Middle east, north Africa, Persian area...) have high DHT production but low sensitivity to it. That's why they can grow beard earlier, and they have quite body hair. Indian subcontinent being the worst, having the lowest DHT / IGF-1 that comes with race, so they're balding, having pitch voices, short... Which totally makes DHT useless at this point to them.

Spoiler: INDIANS VS OTHERS

Mean lean muscle mass (kg)

black males = 65.6kg
White males = 62 kg
Hispanic males = 59.9 kg
Asian males = 59.6 kg
Indian males = 53.3 kg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc...

At any given body fat mass value, South Asians had significantly less lean mass than each of the three other groups after adjustment for age, height, humerus breadth, smoking status, physical activity, and diet. Aboriginal, Chinese, and European men had 3.42 kg [95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.55–5.29], 3.01 kg (95% CI = 1.33–4.70), and 3.57 kg (95% CI = 1.82–5.33) more lean mass than South Asian men at a given total fat mass, respectively"

Ethnic Variation in Fat and Lean Body Mass and the Association with Insulin Resistance

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/ar...

Asian Indians tend to have more abdominal adipose tissue, less lean body mass (LBM) and higher magnitude of insulin resistance (IR) despite falling in the normal range of body mass index (BMI) [1]. The high value of waist hip ratio in Asian Indians may be due to less lean mass of the hips and greater fat at the levels of waist [2]. Another study showed that Asian Indian men have low muscle mass and 30% more total body fat (BF) than other ethnic groups [3]. Low lean mass is also evident in Asian Indian neonates as compared to white Caucasian neonates [4].

http://journals.plos.org/plosone...

The lung capacity of Indians is 30 per cent lower than North Americans or Europeans or Chinese, making them highly vulnerable to diabetes, heart attacks or strokes, says a top scientist.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/toda...

"Asian Indians had more fat, both total and in the abdominal region, with less lean mass, skeletal muscle and bone mineral than all other ethnic groups"

Body size, body composition and fat distribution: comparative analysis of European, Maori, Pacific Island and Asian Indian adults.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"Asian Indians have different body phenotype from Europeans (36). The major differences are in high
body fat, high truncal, subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat, and low muscle mass."

Ethnicity and type 2 diabetes in Asian Indian migrants in Auckland, New Zealand (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public....nd_New_Zealand [accessed Dec 18 2017].

"In particular, there is accumulating evidence that South Asians may have a 'low fitness' phenotype which contributes to their elevated cardio-metabolic risk, and thus may particularly benefit from undertaking higher levels of physical activity [14]"

https://www.researchgate.net/figure....outh-Asian-men

In South Asians, a unique obesity phenotype of high abdominal fat is associated with increased cardiovascular risk

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...11335515001308

Studies in the South Asian diaspora residing in the U.K. during the early 1980s suggested the possibility of an Asian Indian or South Asian phenotype (Fig. 1). This term refers to a combination of characteristics that predisposes SA to the development of insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals...

3. DOCTORS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENDOCRINOLOGY
- They're only learned what's dangerous about steroids, and they doesn't learn about this in college. WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM ON SOME FUCKING FORUM,

going to a doc is pointless and frustrating, 80% of endocrinologists/urologists dont even know that something like HCG exists, they all see injectable testosterone as a Steroid abuser Hormone, which why they only prescribe testogel, they dont even prescribe AI's

... So it seems that we can help orselves rather than relying on the help of a doctor

CO-RELATION WITH SEMEN RETENTION !?

Spoiler: Co- relation

Alright let's use some logic instead, cause i'm lazy to do research after all this . When you fap, you ejacuate some testosterone, which could've been used by your body, but you dumped that extra T...

Spoiler: Co- relation

1. So how does our body use testosterone
- Through 5α- reduction, it either gets converted into DHT, or aromatised into estrogen. So by wasting that testosterone away, we dumped extra DHT, cause testosterone will be converted to DHT, if you aren't androgen dominant (T won't be converted to DHT), you wouldn't even have free T flowing to feel libido, motivation, energy... essentially free T is doing all the good things you think testosterone does. You can increase free T by taking proviron which lowers SHBG.

TL;DR
Masturbation = Low DHT

2. Since we know it's conversion - Does Nofap help us grow ?
- Can't answer that directly, but you saw my thread (from other forum) regarding heightmaxing, and it's discussed that DHT extends the bone growth. So by extracting that T which could be converted to DHT later, aren't we doing ourselves disadvantage in the long run?

Masturbation = Manlet

3. What happens to estrogen ?
- Meanwhile, your prolactin (Which causes low sex drive, and erectile dysfunction) is increasing. This effects in men because prolactin can stop the testes from producing testosterone. In some cases it may cause infertility, but this is pretty rare.

In males - Prolactinoma can cause decreased body or facial hair, and low bone density. Prolactin levels gets regulated to normal after one hour.

Masturbation = Prolactin release

Spoiler: How to reduce prolactin ?

"Now, on to the topic of suppressing prolactin; in this study, 300 mg’s of vitamin E for 8 weeks, decreased prolactin levels by a staggering 69% when compared to placebo in healthy human subjects."
ashwagandha:
"Furthermore, the same human study also found out that Ashwagandha lowered prolactin levels by a nice 15%."

Also @Sergeant, fix this problem with fucking spoilers.





REGARDS BALDING
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The effects of IGF-1 on the hair growth:



@BalkanPig @Kingkellz @john2 @Gudru @nelson @NickGurr @54UD4D3 @IncelWithNoLuck @Dr Shekelberg @Demonstrator @Chad1212​

btw tribulus terresis boost dht too

 

[aldamogger]

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

​

how to get dht gel

 

[Vef]

How much L-carnitine per day?

 

[ReasonableAdvice]

So you want to increase your DHT? Say no more fella, cause i'm about to drop another banger.. let's begin:

DHT BENEFITS

​

• IN THE WOMB

- The amount of DHT receptors you'll going to have is predetermined in the womb
- Wrist size, ankle size, and bone antropometry in general is affected by DHT to an extend
- As the whole endocrine system is forming, not only DHT, but the amount of IGF-1, Gh, Testosterone/Estrogen receptors... are forming (Important for later)
- Prenatal T might be of a accurate indicator that we have high DHT

• IN PUBERTY

- It promotes masculinization of the face, growth of the jaw, hunter eyes appearance, brow ridge growth... and a big tall chin
- It can increase your dick size DRAMATICALLY, talking about few more inches
- DHT extends puberty. You can have benefits of the longer puberty
- You can grow facial hair earlier than the others.
- Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
- Frame growth
- Higher DHT is responsible for 'logical' thinking, so you're thinking better (maturity), and sudden low inhib is result of that

• IN ADULTHDOOD

- DHT helps keep your growth plates open by antagonizing estrogen. Instead of your plates fusing at 19, you might probably extend it to 25.
- Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
- You can still grow facial hair if you expose yourself to DHT later in life.
- In late puberty (17- 19), you can still deepen your voice to some extend.
- (ANECDOTAL) Some people reported growth of their frame

HOW TO INCREASE DHT

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* Don't choose SARMS, cause they promote no androgen activity. Nandrolone derivarives don't cause balding but DHT derivarives are superior for ENCHANCING DHT specifically.

DOSAGES

Dosages depends on 50 - 250mg, remember the more the higher risk. idk which roid is better for what but my man explained it well for me:

View attachment 509249


...NATURALLY?

i've mentioned things that are legit, don't ever comment 'boron' or things like 'DHEA' cause they increases estrogen and speaking of input/reward ratio, you are likely going to lose.
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Blue = DHT​

Green = Testosterone​

Red = AVOID​

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- Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors) @EternalLearner is taking this herb and he reported some benefits

- Taking Creatine, which supposedly increases DHT production by 50％ more itself, there are studies proving this, creatine is cheap supplement, and best you can get the most out of (Speaking of androgenmaxxing).

- Taking L-Carnitine, it sensitize the androgen receptors. Carnitine occurs naturally in meats and fish.

- Megadose Vit E, about 500mg/day, it is proven to reduce prolactin levels bu 70％, i'm going to talk about this in nofap section, just another estrogen acumulating over time causing bitch tits gynecomastia...

- Taking ashwagandha - plant that is reducing cortisol (Which further increases testosterone which is gonna be convertable to DHT later...), ashwagandha supress prolactin levels by like 15％ i recall.

- Lifting weights, hit atleast 2 bodyparts per day, and supplement magnesium after your workouts to lower cortisol. Don't go too intense because it might put your body under 'stress' mode, which will only increase cortisol and burn off additional calories - ⚠ IMPORTANT. If you want to lose weights, you are screwing your testosterone production, because like i said, you don't have the foundation to produce your hormones, even if you do something weightloss for your body:

- Starving yourself, doing high intensity workouts, sweating... It's all bad for your body and will make up bunch of cortisol because your body is on 'survival' mode methaporically speaking, and it's not looking up to preserve muscle, or hormones.

Spoiler: Proof

DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)

WE WANT AS LEAST CORTISOL AS POSSIBLE

* To avoid high intensity, don't do supersets between compound excercises, and give yourself respectable amount of rest

- Exposing yourself to estrogens, should i even mention this one? AVOID estrogens at all cost. Entering puberty with high estrogen = kill yourself.

- Sleep 7-9 hours, or even more, this is just an ideal range. It's best to go to sleep at 9PM because of natural melatonin production, but it's just worth mentioning right, not many people will do this. If you have trouble sleeping:
- Turn off your cellphone, or you can use it to watch some movies which will tire your eyes (Always worked for me )

- For better sleep, supplement with:

• Valerian root extract
• Chamomile root extract
• Mucuna pruriens extract
• ------------------------------------------------
• Delta sleep inducing peptide

Those are some herbs i can tell are legit for calming your body and they make you fall asleep. DSIP is mentioned here, give it a look

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

STUDIES

Spoiler: Penis

Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment

View attachment 509079
In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above

Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,

sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175



Study #2
To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively

The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks

Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3

Spoiler: Secondary sexual characteristics

Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.

Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)

after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased

Study number 2

Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416

For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)

Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks

Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.

INTERESTING STUFF

​

1. This is example of person with high DHT but 0 androgen receptors, that's why you wanna make sure you take L carnitine along your hormonemax supplements, remember it activates adrogen receptors

Spoiler: Example

View attachment 509216

2. Many ethnics (Middle east, north Africa, Persian area...) have high DHT production but low sensitivity to it. That's why they can grow beard earlier, and they have quite body hair. Indian subcontinent being the worst, having the lowest DHT / IGF-1 that comes with race, so they're balding, having pitch voices, short... Which totally makes DHT useless at this point to them.

Spoiler: INDIANS VS OTHERS

Mean lean muscle mass (kg)

black males = 65.6kg
White males = 62 kg
Hispanic males = 59.9 kg
Asian males = 59.6 kg
Indian males = 53.3 kg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc...

At any given body fat mass value, South Asians had significantly less lean mass than each of the three other groups after adjustment for age, height, humerus breadth, smoking status, physical activity, and diet. Aboriginal, Chinese, and European men had 3.42 kg [95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.55–5.29], 3.01 kg (95% CI = 1.33–4.70), and 3.57 kg (95% CI = 1.82–5.33) more lean mass than South Asian men at a given total fat mass, respectively"

Ethnic Variation in Fat and Lean Body Mass and the Association with Insulin Resistance

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/ar...

Asian Indians tend to have more abdominal adipose tissue, less lean body mass (LBM) and higher magnitude of insulin resistance (IR) despite falling in the normal range of body mass index (BMI) [1]. The high value of waist hip ratio in Asian Indians may be due to less lean mass of the hips and greater fat at the levels of waist [2]. Another study showed that Asian Indian men have low muscle mass and 30% more total body fat (BF) than other ethnic groups [3]. Low lean mass is also evident in Asian Indian neonates as compared to white Caucasian neonates [4].

http://journals.plos.org/plosone...

The lung capacity of Indians is 30 per cent lower than North Americans or Europeans or Chinese, making them highly vulnerable to diabetes, heart attacks or strokes, says a top scientist.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/toda...

"Asian Indians had more fat, both total and in the abdominal region, with less lean mass, skeletal muscle and bone mineral than all other ethnic groups"

Body size, body composition and fat distribution: comparative analysis of European, Maori, Pacific Island and Asian Indian adults.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"Asian Indians have different body phenotype from Europeans (36). The major differences are in high
body fat, high truncal, subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat, and low muscle mass."

Ethnicity and type 2 diabetes in Asian Indian migrants in Auckland, New Zealand (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public....nd_New_Zealand [accessed Dec 18 2017].

"In particular, there is accumulating evidence that South Asians may have a 'low fitness' phenotype which contributes to their elevated cardio-metabolic risk, and thus may particularly benefit from undertaking higher levels of physical activity [14]"

https://www.researchgate.net/figure....outh-Asian-men

In South Asians, a unique obesity phenotype of high abdominal fat is associated with increased cardiovascular risk

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...11335515001308

Studies in the South Asian diaspora residing in the U.K. during the early 1980s suggested the possibility of an Asian Indian or South Asian phenotype (Fig. 1). This term refers to a combination of characteristics that predisposes SA to the development of insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals...

3. DOCTORS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENDOCRINOLOGY
- They're only learned what's dangerous about steroids, and they doesn't learn about this in college. WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM ON SOME FUCKING FORUM,

going to a doc is pointless and frustrating, 80% of endocrinologists/urologists dont even know that something like HCG exists, they all see injectable testosterone as a Steroid abuser Hormone, which why they only prescribe testogel, they dont even prescribe AI's

... So it seems that we can help orselves rather than relying on the help of a doctor

CO-RELATION WITH SEMEN RETENTION !?

Spoiler: Co- relation

Alright let's use some logic instead, cause i'm lazy to do research after all this . When you fap, you ejacuate some testosterone, which could've been used by your body, but you dumped that extra T...

Spoiler: Co- relation

1. So how does our body use testosterone
- Through 5α- reduction, it either gets converted into DHT, or aromatised into estrogen. So by wasting that testosterone away, we dumped extra DHT, cause testosterone will be converted to DHT, if you aren't androgen dominant (T won't be converted to DHT), you wouldn't even have free T flowing to feel libido, motivation, energy... essentially free T is doing all the good things you think testosterone does. You can increase free T by taking proviron which lowers SHBG.

TL;DR
Masturbation = Low DHT

2. Since we know it's conversion - Does Nofap help us grow ?
- Can't answer that directly, but you saw my thread (from other forum) regarding heightmaxing, and it's discussed that DHT extends the bone growth. So by extracting that T which could be converted to DHT later, aren't we doing ourselves disadvantage in the long run?

Masturbation = Manlet

3. What happens to estrogen ?
- Meanwhile, your prolactin (Which causes low sex drive, and erectile dysfunction) is increasing. This effects in men because prolactin can stop the testes from producing testosterone. In some cases it may cause infertility, but this is pretty rare.

In males - Prolactinoma can cause decreased body or facial hair, and low bone density. Prolactin levels gets regulated to normal after one hour.

Masturbation = Prolactin release

Spoiler: How to reduce prolactin ?

"Now, on to the topic of suppressing prolactin; in this study, 300 mg’s of vitamin E for 8 weeks, decreased prolactin levels by a staggering 69% when compared to placebo in healthy human subjects."
ashwagandha:
"Furthermore, the same human study also found out that Ashwagandha lowered prolactin levels by a nice 15%."

Also @Sergeant, fix this problem with fucking spoilers.





REGARDS BALDING
View attachment 509271​

​

​

​

The effects of IGF-1 on the hair growth:



@BalkanPig @Kingkellz @john2 @Gudru @nelson @NickGurr @54UD4D3 @IncelWithNoLuck @Dr Shekelberg @Demonstrator @Chad1212​

Oh goodie, I get to respond to more pseudoscientific slop! Really giving me a job here guys.

1. DHT receptor prediction is not as easy as you make it out to be via prenatal conditions.

2. You are correct in saying DHT promotes face masculinisation, but you are drastically high balling the part it has to play alongside andrgen exposure and bone growth patterns. I am sorry guys... but a lot of body characteristics are unchangeable consequences of genetics.

3. DHT does NOT dramatically increase the size of someone's phallus. Please cite your sources so people can see how unsubstantiated pseudoscientific slop like this is.

4. DNT does not "extend" puberty or "promote logical thinking". Plus, "logical thinking" is such a vague and subjective way to describe your claim, please substantiate these claims with evidence, thanks.

5. "DHT keeps growth plates open", this is speculation, cite your sources.

6. "Butea Superba increases DHT 5x". Is this a common trope from this cite to state arbitrary multipliers? Cite your evidence - I do not know of any herbs with androgenic effects this severe. Same for your claim about creatine increasing it by 50%, and ashwagandha.

7. It baffles me to see you claim doctors don't know anything about endocrinology. Are you an endochrinologist? Please provide a factual basis on which anyone here should trust you over a professional, especially when you are implying they are inferior for not going around suggesting underground, illegal, or experimental substances from use in other areas. Believe it not, doctors DO know what HCG is because doctors conduct fertility treatments.

8. Do not megadose on vitamins.

9. I am trying to keep my comments here in categories, so I'll comment on your estrogen comment further up. Yes, you should mitigate estrogen exposure to ensure hormonal balance as a male, but avoiding it entirely is not something that is scientifically backed. Go and do some basic research on how estrogen functions in the male body.

10. Masturbation does not lead to low DHT. Yes, testosterone can be converted to DHT, no medical professional or scientist will support the claim that masturbation causes a significant drop in T or DHT. Please stop exaggerating and oversimplifying complex hormonal processes.

11. Masturbation does not lead to low libido or motivation because, once again, masturbation doesn't significantly let alone moderately affect DHT. Substantiate your syllogisms with evidence next time.

12. Your claim about "Nofap" helping you grow taller is reaching again as you're presupposing the claim that ejaculation causes significant drops in DHT. One, this is obviously not true. Two, growth plates typically close by 21 so any changes in adulthood from abstinence are complete bullshit. Your height is more determined by genetics and puberty environment, as I have told people in most of my other posts. Stop lying to the people on this website.

13. Prolactin increase after orgasm is temporary genius, you're not going to end up with erectile dysfunction from masturbation unless you're death gripping it.

14. Following the above claims, you make another quick-fire barrage of overexaggerated claims about the effects of supplements. Did you pull the "69%" out of your ass?

I rest my case.

 

[DR. NICKGA]

Oh goodie, I get to respond to more pseudoscientific slop! Really giving me a job here guys.

1. DHT receptor prediction is not as easy as you make it out to be via prenatal conditions.

2. You are correct in saying DHT promotes face masculinisation, but you are drastically high balling the part it has to play alongside andrgen exposure and bone growth patterns. I am sorry guys... but a lot of body characteristics are unchangeable consequences of genetics.

3. DHT does NOT dramatically increase the size of someone's phallus. Please cite your sources so people can see how unsubstantiated pseudoscientific slop like this is.

4. DNT does not "extend" puberty or "promote logical thinking". Plus, "logical thinking" is such a vague and subjective way to describe your claim, please substantiate these claims with evidence, thanks.

5. "DHT keeps growth plates open", this is speculation, cite your sources.

6. "Butea Superba increases DHT 5x". Is this a common trope from this cite to state arbitrary multipliers? Cite your evidence - I do not know of any herbs with androgenic effects this severe. Same for your claim about creatine increasing it by 50%, and ashwagandha.

7. It baffles me to see you claim doctors don't know anything about endocrinology. Are you an endochrinologist? Please provide a factual basis on which anyone here should trust you over a professional, especially when you are implying they are inferior for not going around suggesting underground, illegal, or experimental substances from use in other areas. Believe it not, doctors DO know what HCG is because doctors conduct fertility treatments.

8. Do not megadose on vitamins.

9. I am trying to keep my comments here in categories, so I'll comment on your estrogen comment further up. Yes, you should mitigate estrogen exposure to ensure hormonal balance as a male, but avoiding it entirely is not something that is scientifically backed. Go and do some basic research on how estrogen functions in the male body.

10. Masturbation does not lead to low DHT. Yes, testosterone can be converted to DHT, no medical professional or scientist will support the claim that masturbation causes a significant drop in T or DHT. Please stop exaggerating and oversimplifying complex hormonal processes.

11. Masturbation does not lead to low libido or motivation because, once again, masturbation doesn't significantly let alone moderately affect DHT. Substantiate your syllogisms with evidence next time.

12. Your claim about "Nofap" helping you grow taller is reaching again as you're presupposing the claim that ejaculation causes significant drops in DHT. One, this is obviously not true. Two, growth plates typically close by 21 so any changes in adulthood from abstinence are complete bullshit. Your height is more determined by genetics and puberty environment, as I have told people in most of my other posts. Stop lying to the people on this website.

13. Prolactin increase after orgasm is temporary genius, you're not going to end up with erectile dysfunction from masturbation unless you're death gripping it.

14. Following the above claims, you make another quick-fire barrage of overexaggerated claims about the effects of supplements. Did you pull the "69%" out of your ass?

I rest my case.

Balding is caused by DHT

BALDING (ANDROGENETIC ALOPECIA) IS CAUSED BY DHT the strongest evidence I can think of right now.. If it's not enough to convince someone of the causal role of androgens in baldness then that person is brain dead or willfully ignorant. Common male pattern baldness is a highly heritable trait...

looksmax.org

 

[suub2incel]

So you want to increase your DHT? Say no more fella, cause i'm about to drop another banger.. let's begin:

DHT BENEFITS

​

• IN THE WOMB

- The amount of DHT receptors you'll going to have is predetermined in the womb
- Wrist size, ankle size, and bone antropometry in general is affected by DHT to an extend
- As the whole endocrine system is forming, not only DHT, but the amount of IGF-1, Gh, Testosterone/Estrogen receptors... are forming (Important for later)
- Prenatal T might be of a accurate indicator that we have high DHT

• IN PUBERTY

- It promotes masculinization of the face, growth of the jaw, hunter eyes appearance, brow ridge growth... and a big tall chin
- It can increase your dick size DRAMATICALLY, talking about few more inches
- DHT extends puberty. You can have benefits of the longer puberty
- You can grow facial hair earlier than the others.
- Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
- Frame growth
- Higher DHT is responsible for 'logical' thinking, so you're thinking better (maturity), and sudden low inhib is result of that

• IN ADULTHDOOD

- DHT helps keep your growth plates open by antagonizing estrogen. Instead of your plates fusing at 19, you might probably extend it to 25.
- Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
- You can still grow facial hair if you expose yourself to DHT later in life.
- In late puberty (17- 19), you can still deepen your voice to some extend.
- (ANECDOTAL) Some people reported growth of their frame

HOW TO INCREASE DHT

​

* Don't choose SARMS, cause they promote no androgen activity. Nandrolone derivarives don't cause balding but DHT derivarives are superior for ENCHANCING DHT specifically.

DOSAGES

Dosages depends on 50 - 250mg, remember the more the higher risk. idk which roid is better for what but my man explained it well for me:

View attachment 509249


...NATURALLY?

i've mentioned things that are legit, don't ever comment 'boron' or things like 'DHEA' cause they increases estrogen and speaking of input/reward ratio, you are likely going to lose.
​

Blue = DHT​

Green = Testosterone​

Red = AVOID​

​

- Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors) @EternalLearner is taking this herb and he reported some benefits

- Taking Creatine, which supposedly increases DHT production by 50％ more itself, there are studies proving this, creatine is cheap supplement, and best you can get the most out of (Speaking of androgenmaxxing).

- Taking L-Carnitine, it sensitize the androgen receptors. Carnitine occurs naturally in meats and fish.

- Megadose Vit E, about 500mg/day, it is proven to reduce prolactin levels bu 70％, i'm going to talk about this in nofap section, just another estrogen acumulating over time causing bitch tits gynecomastia...

- Taking ashwagandha - plant that is reducing cortisol (Which further increases testosterone which is gonna be convertable to DHT later...), ashwagandha supress prolactin levels by like 15％ i recall.

- Lifting weights, hit atleast 2 bodyparts per day, and supplement magnesium after your workouts to lower cortisol. Don't go too intense because it might put your body under 'stress' mode, which will only increase cortisol and burn off additional calories - ⚠ IMPORTANT. If you want to lose weights, you are screwing your testosterone production, because like i said, you don't have the foundation to produce your hormones, even if you do something weightloss for your body:

- Starving yourself, doing high intensity workouts, sweating... It's all bad for your body and will make up bunch of cortisol because your body is on 'survival' mode methaporically speaking, and it's not looking up to preserve muscle, or hormones.

Spoiler: Proof

DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)

WE WANT AS LEAST CORTISOL AS POSSIBLE

* To avoid high intensity, don't do supersets between compound excercises, and give yourself respectable amount of rest

- Exposing yourself to estrogens, should i even mention this one? AVOID estrogens at all cost. Entering puberty with high estrogen = kill yourself.

- Sleep 7-9 hours, or even more, this is just an ideal range. It's best to go to sleep at 9PM because of natural melatonin production, but it's just worth mentioning right, not many people will do this. If you have trouble sleeping:
- Turn off your cellphone, or you can use it to watch some movies which will tire your eyes (Always worked for me )

- For better sleep, supplement with:

• Valerian root extract
• Chamomile root extract
• Mucuna pruriens extract
• ------------------------------------------------
• Delta sleep inducing peptide

Those are some herbs i can tell are legit for calming your body and they make you fall asleep. DSIP is mentioned here, give it a look

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

STUDIES

Spoiler: Penis

Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment

View attachment 509079
In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above

Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,

sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175



Study #2
To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively

The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks

Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3

Spoiler: Secondary sexual characteristics

Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.

Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)

after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased

Study number 2

Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416

For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)

Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks

Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.

INTERESTING STUFF

​

1. This is example of person with high DHT but 0 androgen receptors, that's why you wanna make sure you take L carnitine along your hormonemax supplements, remember it activates adrogen receptors

Spoiler: Example

View attachment 509216

2. Many ethnics (Middle east, north Africa, Persian area...) have high DHT production but low sensitivity to it. That's why they can grow beard earlier, and they have quite body hair. Indian subcontinent being the worst, having the lowest DHT / IGF-1 that comes with race, so they're balding, having pitch voices, short... Which totally makes DHT useless at this point to them.

Spoiler: INDIANS VS OTHERS

Mean lean muscle mass (kg)

black males = 65.6kg
White males = 62 kg
Hispanic males = 59.9 kg
Asian males = 59.6 kg
Indian males = 53.3 kg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc...

At any given body fat mass value, South Asians had significantly less lean mass than each of the three other groups after adjustment for age, height, humerus breadth, smoking status, physical activity, and diet. Aboriginal, Chinese, and European men had 3.42 kg [95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.55–5.29], 3.01 kg (95% CI = 1.33–4.70), and 3.57 kg (95% CI = 1.82–5.33) more lean mass than South Asian men at a given total fat mass, respectively"

Ethnic Variation in Fat and Lean Body Mass and the Association with Insulin Resistance

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/ar...

Asian Indians tend to have more abdominal adipose tissue, less lean body mass (LBM) and higher magnitude of insulin resistance (IR) despite falling in the normal range of body mass index (BMI) [1]. The high value of waist hip ratio in Asian Indians may be due to less lean mass of the hips and greater fat at the levels of waist [2]. Another study showed that Asian Indian men have low muscle mass and 30% more total body fat (BF) than other ethnic groups [3]. Low lean mass is also evident in Asian Indian neonates as compared to white Caucasian neonates [4].

http://journals.plos.org/plosone...

The lung capacity of Indians is 30 per cent lower than North Americans or Europeans or Chinese, making them highly vulnerable to diabetes, heart attacks or strokes, says a top scientist.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/toda...

"Asian Indians had more fat, both total and in the abdominal region, with less lean mass, skeletal muscle and bone mineral than all other ethnic groups"

Body size, body composition and fat distribution: comparative analysis of European, Maori, Pacific Island and Asian Indian adults.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"Asian Indians have different body phenotype from Europeans (36). The major differences are in high
body fat, high truncal, subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat, and low muscle mass."

Ethnicity and type 2 diabetes in Asian Indian migrants in Auckland, New Zealand (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public....nd_New_Zealand [accessed Dec 18 2017].

"In particular, there is accumulating evidence that South Asians may have a 'low fitness' phenotype which contributes to their elevated cardio-metabolic risk, and thus may particularly benefit from undertaking higher levels of physical activity [14]"

https://www.researchgate.net/figure....outh-Asian-men

In South Asians, a unique obesity phenotype of high abdominal fat is associated with increased cardiovascular risk

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...11335515001308

Studies in the South Asian diaspora residing in the U.K. during the early 1980s suggested the possibility of an Asian Indian or South Asian phenotype (Fig. 1). This term refers to a combination of characteristics that predisposes SA to the development of insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals...

3. DOCTORS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENDOCRINOLOGY
- They're only learned what's dangerous about steroids, and they doesn't learn about this in college. WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM ON SOME FUCKING FORUM,

going to a doc is pointless and frustrating, 80% of endocrinologists/urologists dont even know that something like HCG exists, they all see injectable testosterone as a Steroid abuser Hormone, which why they only prescribe testogel, they dont even prescribe AI's

... So it seems that we can help orselves rather than relying on the help of a doctor

CO-RELATION WITH SEMEN RETENTION !?

Spoiler: Co- relation

Alright let's use some logic instead, cause i'm lazy to do research after all this . When you fap, you ejacuate some testosterone, which could've been used by your body, but you dumped that extra T...

Spoiler: Co- relation

1. So how does our body use testosterone
- Through 5α- reduction, it either gets converted into DHT, or aromatised into estrogen. So by wasting that testosterone away, we dumped extra DHT, cause testosterone will be converted to DHT, if you aren't androgen dominant (T won't be converted to DHT), you wouldn't even have free T flowing to feel libido, motivation, energy... essentially free T is doing all the good things you think testosterone does. You can increase free T by taking proviron which lowers SHBG.

TL;DR
Masturbation = Low DHT

2. Since we know it's conversion - Does Nofap help us grow ?
- Can't answer that directly, but you saw my thread (from other forum) regarding heightmaxing, and it's discussed that DHT extends the bone growth. So by extracting that T which could be converted to DHT later, aren't we doing ourselves disadvantage in the long run?

Masturbation = Manlet

3. What happens to estrogen ?
- Meanwhile, your prolactin (Which causes low sex drive, and erectile dysfunction) is increasing. This effects in men because prolactin can stop the testes from producing testosterone. In some cases it may cause infertility, but this is pretty rare.

In males - Prolactinoma can cause decreased body or facial hair, and low bone density. Prolactin levels gets regulated to normal after one hour.

Masturbation = Prolactin release

Spoiler: How to reduce prolactin ?

"Now, on to the topic of suppressing prolactin; in this study, 300 mg’s of vitamin E for 8 weeks, decreased prolactin levels by a staggering 69% when compared to placebo in healthy human subjects."
ashwagandha:
"Furthermore, the same human study also found out that Ashwagandha lowered prolactin levels by a nice 15%."

Also @Sergeant, fix this problem with fucking spoilers.





REGARDS BALDING
View attachment 509271​

​

​

​

The effects of IGF-1 on the hair growth:



@BalkanPig @Kingkellz @john2 @Gudru @nelson @NickGurr @54UD4D3 @IncelWithNoLuck @Dr Shekelberg @Demonstrator @Chad1212​

wanne say really good guide but since u seem educated could u explain if its worth i have insanely hhigh dht feautres like body hair ''good'' beard growth for my age overal body hhair brow ridge insanly deep voice insane brow ridge high muscle mass w out lifting pretty much all features except narrow''ish'' clavicales is it still worth doing this ? cause besides clavicles and bloating i have good bone structere side profile shows clearly would u say its still worth ?

 

[GenesBeans]

wait what?? boron increases estrogen?? fr?????

 

[AshER1.]

So you want to increase your DHT? Say no more fella, cause i'm about to drop another banger.. let's begin:

DHT BENEFITS

​

• IN THE WOMB

- The amount of DHT receptors you'll going to have is predetermined in the womb
- Wrist size, ankle size, and bone antropometry in general is affected by DHT to an extend
- As the whole endocrine system is forming, not only DHT, but the amount of IGF-1, Gh, Testosterone/Estrogen receptors... are forming (Important for later)
- Prenatal T might be of a accurate indicator that we have high DHT

• IN PUBERTY

- It promotes masculinization of the face, growth of the jaw, hunter eyes appearance, brow ridge growth... and a big tall chin
- It can increase your dick size DRAMATICALLY, talking about few more inches
- DHT extends puberty. You can have benefits of the longer puberty
- You can grow facial hair earlier than the others.
- Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
- Frame growth
- Higher DHT is responsible for 'logical' thinking, so you're thinking better (maturity), and sudden low inhib is result of that

• IN ADULTHDOOD

- DHT helps keep your growth plates open by antagonizing estrogen. Instead of your plates fusing at 19, you might probably extend it to 25.
- Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
- You can still grow facial hair if you expose yourself to DHT later in life.
- In late puberty (17- 19), you can still deepen your voice to some extend.
- (ANECDOTAL) Some people reported growth of their frame

HOW TO INCREASE DHT

​

* Don't choose SARMS, cause they promote no androgen activity. Nandrolone derivarives don't cause balding but DHT derivarives are superior for ENCHANCING DHT specifically.

DOSAGES

Dosages depends on 50 - 250mg, remember the more the higher risk. idk which roid is better for what but my man explained it well for me:

View attachment 509249


...NATURALLY?

i've mentioned things that are legit, don't ever comment 'boron' or things like 'DHEA' cause they increases estrogen and speaking of input/reward ratio, you are likely going to lose.
​

Blue = DHT​

Green = Testosterone​

Red = AVOID​

​

- Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors) @EternalLearner is taking this herb and he reported some benefits

- Taking Creatine, which supposedly increases DHT production by 50％ more itself, there are studies proving this, creatine is cheap supplement, and best you can get the most out of (Speaking of androgenmaxxing).

- Taking L-Carnitine, it sensitize the androgen receptors. Carnitine occurs naturally in meats and fish.

- Megadose Vit E, about 500mg/day, it is proven to reduce prolactin levels bu 70％, i'm going to talk about this in nofap section, just another estrogen acumulating over time causing bitch tits gynecomastia...

- Taking ashwagandha - plant that is reducing cortisol (Which further increases testosterone which is gonna be convertable to DHT later...), ashwagandha supress prolactin levels by like 15％ i recall.

- Lifting weights, hit atleast 2 bodyparts per day, and supplement magnesium after your workouts to lower cortisol. Don't go too intense because it might put your body under 'stress' mode, which will only increase cortisol and burn off additional calories - ⚠ IMPORTANT. If you want to lose weights, you are screwing your testosterone production, because like i said, you don't have the foundation to produce your hormones, even if you do something weightloss for your body:

- Starving yourself, doing high intensity workouts, sweating... It's all bad for your body and will make up bunch of cortisol because your body is on 'survival' mode methaporically speaking, and it's not looking up to preserve muscle, or hormones.

Spoiler: Proof

DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)

WE WANT AS LEAST CORTISOL AS POSSIBLE

* To avoid high intensity, don't do supersets between compound excercises, and give yourself respectable amount of rest

- Exposing yourself to estrogens, should i even mention this one? AVOID estrogens at all cost. Entering puberty with high estrogen = kill yourself.

- Sleep 7-9 hours, or even more, this is just an ideal range. It's best to go to sleep at 9PM because of natural melatonin production, but it's just worth mentioning right, not many people will do this. If you have trouble sleeping:
- Turn off your cellphone, or you can use it to watch some movies which will tire your eyes (Always worked for me )

- For better sleep, supplement with:

• Valerian root extract
• Chamomile root extract
• Mucuna pruriens extract
• ------------------------------------------------
• Delta sleep inducing peptide

Those are some herbs i can tell are legit for calming your body and they make you fall asleep. DSIP is mentioned here, give it a look

- DHT gel, works if you are in puberty, if you aren't, idk.. give it a shot and see... Apply it on dick for pee pee gains

STUDIES

Spoiler: Penis

Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment

View attachment 509079
In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above

Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,

sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175



Study #2
To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively

The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks

Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3

Spoiler: Secondary sexual characteristics

Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.

Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)

after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased

Study number 2

Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416

For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)

Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks

Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.

INTERESTING STUFF

​

1. This is example of person with high DHT but 0 androgen receptors, that's why you wanna make sure you take L carnitine along your hormonemax supplements, remember it activates adrogen receptors

Spoiler: Example

View attachment 509216

2. Many ethnics (Middle east, north Africa, Persian area...) have high DHT production but low sensitivity to it. That's why they can grow beard earlier, and they have quite body hair. Indian subcontinent being the worst, having the lowest DHT / IGF-1 that comes with race, so they're balding, having pitch voices, short... Which totally makes DHT useless at this point to them.

Spoiler: INDIANS VS OTHERS

Mean lean muscle mass (kg)

black males = 65.6kg
White males = 62 kg
Hispanic males = 59.9 kg
Asian males = 59.6 kg
Indian males = 53.3 kg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc...

At any given body fat mass value, South Asians had significantly less lean mass than each of the three other groups after adjustment for age, height, humerus breadth, smoking status, physical activity, and diet. Aboriginal, Chinese, and European men had 3.42 kg [95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.55–5.29], 3.01 kg (95% CI = 1.33–4.70), and 3.57 kg (95% CI = 1.82–5.33) more lean mass than South Asian men at a given total fat mass, respectively"

Ethnic Variation in Fat and Lean Body Mass and the Association with Insulin Resistance

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/ar...

Asian Indians tend to have more abdominal adipose tissue, less lean body mass (LBM) and higher magnitude of insulin resistance (IR) despite falling in the normal range of body mass index (BMI) [1]. The high value of waist hip ratio in Asian Indians may be due to less lean mass of the hips and greater fat at the levels of waist [2]. Another study showed that Asian Indian men have low muscle mass and 30% more total body fat (BF) than other ethnic groups [3]. Low lean mass is also evident in Asian Indian neonates as compared to white Caucasian neonates [4].

http://journals.plos.org/plosone...

The lung capacity of Indians is 30 per cent lower than North Americans or Europeans or Chinese, making them highly vulnerable to diabetes, heart attacks or strokes, says a top scientist.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/toda...

"Asian Indians had more fat, both total and in the abdominal region, with less lean mass, skeletal muscle and bone mineral than all other ethnic groups"

Body size, body composition and fat distribution: comparative analysis of European, Maori, Pacific Island and Asian Indian adults.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"Asian Indians have different body phenotype from Europeans (36). The major differences are in high
body fat, high truncal, subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat, and low muscle mass."

Ethnicity and type 2 diabetes in Asian Indian migrants in Auckland, New Zealand (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public....nd_New_Zealand [accessed Dec 18 2017].

"In particular, there is accumulating evidence that South Asians may have a 'low fitness' phenotype which contributes to their elevated cardio-metabolic risk, and thus may particularly benefit from undertaking higher levels of physical activity [14]"

https://www.researchgate.net/figure....outh-Asian-men

In South Asians, a unique obesity phenotype of high abdominal fat is associated with increased cardiovascular risk

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...11335515001308

Studies in the South Asian diaspora residing in the U.K. during the early 1980s suggested the possibility of an Asian Indian or South Asian phenotype (Fig. 1). This term refers to a combination of characteristics that predisposes SA to the development of insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals...

3. DOCTORS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENDOCRINOLOGY
- They're only learned what's dangerous about steroids, and they doesn't learn about this in college. WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM ON SOME FUCKING FORUM,

going to a doc is pointless and frustrating, 80% of endocrinologists/urologists dont even know that something like HCG exists, they all see injectable testosterone as a Steroid abuser Hormone, which why they only prescribe testogel, they dont even prescribe AI's

... So it seems that we can help orselves rather than relying on the help of a doctor

CO-RELATION WITH SEMEN RETENTION !?

Spoiler: Co- relation

Alright let's use some logic instead, cause i'm lazy to do research after all this . When you fap, you ejacuate some testosterone, which could've been used by your body, but you dumped that extra T...

Spoiler: Co- relation

1. So how does our body use testosterone
- Through 5α- reduction, it either gets converted into DHT, or aromatised into estrogen. So by wasting that testosterone away, we dumped extra DHT, cause testosterone will be converted to DHT, if you aren't androgen dominant (T won't be converted to DHT), you wouldn't even have free T flowing to feel libido, motivation, energy... essentially free T is doing all the good things you think testosterone does. You can increase free T by taking proviron which lowers SHBG.

TL;DR
Masturbation = Low DHT

2. Since we know it's conversion - Does Nofap help us grow ?
- Can't answer that directly, but you saw my thread (from other forum) regarding heightmaxing, and it's discussed that DHT extends the bone growth. So by extracting that T which could be converted to DHT later, aren't we doing ourselves disadvantage in the long run?

Masturbation = Manlet

3. What happens to estrogen ?
- Meanwhile, your prolactin (Which causes low sex drive, and erectile dysfunction) is increasing. This effects in men because prolactin can stop the testes from producing testosterone. In some cases it may cause infertility, but this is pretty rare.

In males - Prolactinoma can cause decreased body or facial hair, and low bone density. Prolactin levels gets regulated to normal after one hour.

Masturbation = Prolactin release

Spoiler: How to reduce prolactin ?

"Now, on to the topic of suppressing prolactin; in this study, 300 mg’s of vitamin E for 8 weeks, decreased prolactin levels by a staggering 69% when compared to placebo in healthy human subjects."
ashwagandha:
"Furthermore, the same human study also found out that Ashwagandha lowered prolactin levels by a nice 15%."

Also @Sergeant, fix this problem with fucking spoilers.





REGARDS BALDING
View attachment 509271​

​

​

​

The effects of IGF-1 on the hair growth:



@BalkanPig @Kingkellz @john2 @Gudru @nelson @NickGurr @54UD4D3 @IncelWithNoLuck @Dr Shekelberg​

 

[AshER1.]

I'm still in puberty yet I'm balding, should I wait a few years for the dht to work cause I heard it's a trash hormone when you're an adult, by then can you take fin?

 

[Struggler03]

I'm still in puberty yet I'm balding, should I wait a few years for the dht to work cause I heard it's a trash hormone when you're an adult, by then can you take fin?

Check your Tanner stage, if you are in stage 5 you should start fin asap since there is very little growth after stage 5 and dht will just rape your hair

 

[appeal]

Check your Tanner stage, if you are in stage 5 you should start fin asap since there is very little growth after stage 5 and dht will just rape your hair

General rule don’t take sub 18 TBH. If you are 18 there’s 99.99% chance ur tanner 5 already. So may as well start nuking.