its primarily genetic so we'd never know but studies show that fat compartments vary between people and are genetically resistant to overall fat loss. facial fat primarily stops mid 2 late twenties around ages 25-30 so significant natural changes to facial structure or hollowing rarely happen without drastic weight fluctuations or aging-related volume loss. you never know
o gotchu, thanks for the inputits primarily genetic so we'd never know but studies show that fat compartments vary between people and are genetically resistant to overall fat loss. facial fat primarily stops mid 2 late twenties around ages 25-30 so significant natural changes to facial structure or hollowing rarely happen without drastic weight fluctuations or aging-related volume loss. you never know
Everyone understands this, and everyone has it to some extent. There is a surgery called Buccal Fat Removal u've probably never seen it because u only talk water???The more weight you lose, the more of this fat you lose. It's something simple and used by natural athletes (because it's not just in the face that this fat exists). THIS IS SO EASY TO UNDERSTAND. FAT—THE FAT WE BURN GOES AWAY. There are different types of fat, and if its the type ure referring to, then Im right.what? facial fat, especially in areas like the buccal pad doesn't fully disappear by losing weight because these pockets are set by your genetics and won't easily respond to dieting (extracted from the study you're too oblivious to read). Even people with very low bfp still keep their composition if said genes determine they store fat there, no matter how lean they become (once again, from one of the pmids you cant read). like most people who argue against this u mix up temporary water retention with permanent, genetic facial fat distribution.
THIS IS SO EASY to understand, i don't know whats so hard to get
lean ≠ hollow cheeks
debloat ≠ hollow cheeks
lean + debloat ≠ hollow cheeks
I understand, so the fat we accumulate doesnt go away??? Like, I can make my face fat but I cant do the opposite. Now I understand JFL, u only talk water manits primarily genetic so we'd never know but studies show that fat compartments vary between people and are genetically resistant to overall fat loss. facial fat primarily stops mid 2 late twenties around ages 25-30 so significant natural changes to facial structure or hollowing rarely happen without drastic weight fluctuations or aging-related volume loss. you never know
thats why the deficit shouldnt exceed 600 and u should do this by hitting all ur macros
a 600 calorie deficit isn’t too extreme if you’re still hitting all your macros and focusing on muscle growth. you need to support your body with proper nutrition, especially if you’re training hard. starving or going too low with your deficit is only going to slow down your progress and mess with your hormones. focus on a balanced approach, where you prioritize muscle gains and fat loss slowly, without sacrificing your face or overall health.thats why the deficit shouldnt exceed 600 and u should do this by hitting all ur macros
No one should go from a bulk to a deficit in 24h it takes 2/3 months, cutting 50 kcal at a time. In reality, u only stay in a 600 deficit for 2)3 months, and the rest is just gradual cutting. Not to mention carb cycling, and its proven that u can build muscle in a deficit. U just cant be doing 3x12 with the same weight for three years straight. A deficit doesnt apply to everyone ure right in a way.a 600 calorie deficit isn’t too extreme if you’re still hitting all your macros and focusing on muscle growth. you need to support your body with proper nutrition, especially if you’re training hard. starving or going too low with your deficit is only going to slow down your progress and mess with your hormones. focus on a balanced approach, where you prioritize muscle gains and fat loss slowly, without sacrificing your face or overall health.
true, jumping straight from a bulk to a deficit isn’t ideal, gradual cuts are better for preserving muscle and keeping your metabolism in check. carb cycling can definitely help with energy and performance while in a deficit. muscle gain in a deficit is possible, but it’s all about managing training intensity and ensuring you're still getting enough protein to support growth. keeping the deficit moderate, like 600, and focusing on muscle retention with progressive overload is key. you’re right, a deficit isn’t one-size-fits-all—it’s about finding the right balance and not rushing it.
first, "talk water"? what does that even mean? second, ur misunderstanding the concept completely. Yes, there's surgery called buccal fat removal, specifically because that fat doesn't respond to regular fat loss and it's genetically resistant / doesn't significantly diminish just from losing body fat. The existence of the surgery literally proves you're wrong: if facial fat simply disappeared with weight loss, the surgery wouldn't even exist.
ONCE AGAIN u misunderstand. ofc you can lose fat in your face by reducing overall body fat. But certain FFP compartments (i.e: buccal fat adiposity pads) are genetically resistant which mean they WONT fully disappear even at very low body fat levels if YOUR genetics dont allow for it. This doesn't mean you can't lose fat at all; it just means genetics dictate how much you'll lose and where from. You're still confusing water retention with actual genetically predetermined facial fat storage.
Not to mention that it depends a lot on body composition. Most of the time, a maximum deficit of 300 to 400 is necessary, but yes, eating "clean" alone would make many people lose weight.
You're simply taking these fats and comparing them to the fat we accumulate. Obviously, having 10% body fat won’t remove everything—because it's 10%, you still have some.
U are saying something useless that is on the site and was already discussed in 2019
if hes past the age of messing up any nutrients that target hormone development, and hitting his protein / nutrient goals. i wouldnt see how a 1500 deficit is bad. studies show that short term agro cuts (around op's 1500/day remark) works for rapid fat loss and wont significantly harm muscle loss.
THE FAT WE STORE CANT ALWAYS BE BURNED ESPECIALLY FACIAL ADIPOSITY. the fact you purposely misunderstand the anatomy of fat storage to ragebait is once again beyond me. confusing general body fat with genetically isolated facial fat compartments like buccal fat pads. FF compartments are anatomically distinct and genetically programmed (CANNOT BE CHANGED OR "BURNED"), resistant to standard caloric deficits or exercise (YOU CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT
)Ure annoying as hell man JFLTHE FAT WE STORE CANT ALWAYS BE BURNED ESPECIALLY FACIAL ADIPOSITY. the fact you purposely misunderstand the anatomy of fat storage to ragebait is once again beyond me. confusing general body fat with genetically isolated facial fat compartments like buccal fat pads. FF compartments are anatomically distinct and genetically programmed (CANNOT BE CHANGED OR "BURNED"), resistant to standard caloric deficits or exercise (YOU CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT
Even at extremely low bfp's, certain paids persist, making your ignorant "just burn fat" argument scientifically retarded and incorrect. im begging you to educate yourself instead of confidently misunderstanding basic biology.
stop bringing up water if you're talking about facial fat loss then lol you sound very retarded
is this the 4th misunderstanding we've had? lol, crazy. they didnt teach physiology in like year 8?
" is literally so ignorant when it comes to genetically dictated structure. The science and PMID studies directly disproves your simplistic retard take.
I’m 16 so I should just be eating good everyday? Not like junk but eating a lot?
1: Idk, maybe Im jeql in classis this the 4th misunderstanding we've had? lol, crazy. they didnt teach physiology in like year 8?
"just burn fat bro trust
correct, excess fat which isnt isolated can be burnt.
yes, correct. certain isolated compartments like i said above are resistant to loss even after reducing ur total bfp
so what do you not understand? are you just ragebaiting?
yes, eat well. you are young. eating well and building muscle is the top 1-2 best things you can do while in that phase of hormonal growth & development/puberty. keep an open-mind about what you eat, dont restrict yourself, eat what you want but make sure atleast 70-80% of your daily meals contain micronutrients and whole proteins.
Only sane person on this website thank you for the advice broyes, eat well. you are young. eating well and building muscle is the top 1-2 best things you can do while in that phase of hormonal growth & development/puberty. keep an open-mind about what you eat, dont restrict yourself, eat what you want but make sure atleast 70-80% of your daily meals contain micronutrients and whole proteins.
They have functions, that's why people who remove them look horrible lol, Im saying to lose the accumulation, can u understand that????
by losing accumulation, i assume you mean losing accumulated (excess) bf.
Yes
I just have one question, is this fat accumulated or are we born with it (or does it have some function?)
buccal pads are a deep tissue from birth, it's like a bone or bone tissue. im not sure on function but afaik it just provides shape/volume while bf provides fullness. fat pads just have a limited response to fatloss bcz its possessed from genetic nature
In a way, they have a function, just like muscles (I believe they support something), so they are not literally fat (at least not the fat I was referring to).buccal pads are a deep tissue from birth, it's like a bone or bone tissue. im not sure on function but afaik it just provides shape/volume while bf provides fullness. fat pads just have a limited response to fatloss bcz its possessed from genetic nature
so you cant really help it if you lean down hella and still have that "bloated" look most people refer to on this forum. you either gotta pray ur surronding structures change as you grow older resulting in better facial aesthetic (stops at 25-30)
i get wym by it not literally being fat, it is fat but it isnt stored energy which is what you mean. unlike regular fat which is subcutaneous; bfp's act as like a glide mechanism between ur facial muscles.
yea ur correct surronding compartatments in ur face, elasticity, bone structure can all change as you mature
I think we have reached a consensus, can I pm u to ask u a few questions? U look older than mei get wym by it not literally being fat, it is fat but it isnt stored energy which is what you mean. unlike regular fat which is subcutaneous; bfp's act as like a glide mechanism between ur facial muscles.
but yeah the puffy / bloat look just depends on genetics and how dense or weak ur muscles actually are, weak structure = rounder look with no definition and vice versa. it's main "function" i guess is to blend your face to look natural
you can tell if you have a high x value (more buccal fat) but greater muscle density by cheekbitting (not looking uncanny) or stretching out ur face downwards and appealing better.
yea ur correct surronding compartatments in ur face, elasticity, bone structure can all change as you mature
ur a cool guy
So its just weight loss?
How many days on carnivore to fully debloat would u say
