Dr. Ting just revolutionized the MSE. Now, far greater expansion is possible.

yeah.... you are under the wrong impression... to a pretty extreme extent.

Results wont be nearly the same as far as the forward movement.

Anyone who tells you otherwise is either scamming you, or they are in deep denial that they need surgery.
So BAMP or face mask as an 19 year old isnt even worth trying? If I'm getting MMA after MSE anyway, is there any harm in trying BAMP to see if I could get a mm or 2 of protraction of the lefort 3 area, and then doing MMA to fix occlusion?
 
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So BAMP or face mask as an 19 year old isnt even worth trying? If I'm getting MMA after MSE anyway, is there any harm in trying BAMP to see if I could get a mm or 2 of protraction of the lefort 3 area, and then doing MMA to fix occlusion?
No harm but tired of seeing the delusion spreading here.
Youre more likely to get half a millimeter or 1 not 1 or 2. Everyone likes to cling to false hope quoting these rare reports and thinking that can easily be them. (2 mm is rare)
None of this is even accounting for relapse...
 
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No harm but tired of seeing the delusion spreading here.
Youre more likely to get half a millimeter or 1 not 1 or 2. Everyone likes to cling to false hope quoting these rare reports and thinking that can easily be them. (2 mm is rare)
None of this is even accounting for relapse...
Looks like she got a lot more than half a mm and that was without bone anchored protraction
 
Ok enjoy.
Do you honestly think all of these cases are cherry picked successes and that the vast majority are a lot more underwhelming? Won Moon did not seem at all to shy away from revealing the limitations of MSE in that long MSE presentation he did a few months ago. Why would he then make an exception and lie about the capabilities of forward protraction? Why are you so extremely skeptical about this even after being shown cases of it working?
 
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illusion of forward growth. her nasion is recessed.
She looks Tera Stacy, side profile wise to me.
It might be not 100% ideal nasion forward growth.
But this is enough forward growth the be able to be Tera Stacy or Giga Chad, if the rest is great also.

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She looks Tera Stacy, side profile wise to me.
It might be not 100% ideal nasion forward growth.
But this is enough forward growth the be able to be Tera Stacy or Giga Chad, if the rest is great also.

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what i'm saying is, recessed nasion gives the illusion of more forward growth.
 
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how are you gonna fix the tooth you’re missing in the middle
 
Can someone please tell me

(1) cost
(2) pain / discomfort - can i still work?
(3) time (inc post mse braces)

needed for this? :hnghn:
 
Can someone please tell me

(1) cost
(2) pain / discomfort - can i still work?
(3) time (inc post mse braces)

needed for this? :hnghn:
Not sure but isn't MSE like 3000 USD? Braces should be more expensive. Apparently it should be more painful than braces but still nothing extreme.
 
The tongue does the same thing. Also for forward growth of the mandible you want there to be a retraction-type force on the lower teeth.
 
I have mse. I took pre-expansion measurements of ipd at optometrist, and will take post expansion measurements at optometrist. T_0 = 67mm.
Hello.
Did you undergo MSE treatment? Can you report your experience?

Edit: another post you said you're around 30 so I'm assuming the answer is no
 
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