Found out that many blackpillers are actually religious

[Deleted member 3043]

in an apparently perfectly designed world for us to live in that isn't perfect

a believer will answer you that it exactly why its perfect : it lets the free will to act.
since what's the point of beeing judged without free will, ie responsibility? only injustice and if god does exist he can't be injust because it's verily a part of his essence.
and for it you have to have in power and act the possibility of doing and seeing good and Bad, perfection and imperfections which lead to the opposite.

 

[turkproducer]

so life isn't perfect, now? You just said it was, now it's not perfect but it's okay because it's meant to be like that?

I said life perfect in the sense we advanced so far with medicine and philosophy, but no there is many injustices in world lol

 

[Deleted member 2581]

I’m spiritual leaning towards Buddhism still haven’t decided yet

 

[Deleted member 3043]

I’m spiritual leaning towards Buddhism still haven’t decided yet

whatever your belief is, the least rational position is atheism in a metaphysical approach , ie arguing without proving that there is not a creator / a first principle.

and the more people learn about metaphysics and belief and the more they are respectful of each others so it's always a win-win

 

[turkproducer]

I’m spiritual leaning towards Buddhism still haven’t decided yet

That’s a way of life not religion, how does it claim that the world came about?

 

[Peachy]

Tr00 blackpillers are apatheist

 

[Deleted member 2581]

whatever your belief is, the dumbest position is atheism in a metaphysical approach , ie arguing without proving that there is not a creator / a first principle.

and the more people learn about metaphysics and belief and the more they are respectful of each others so it's always a win-win

There’s IS something out there it’s stupid to not even understand that.

Besides that I was an atheist and all that shit a couple years ago but I had some supernatural experiences which convinced me otherwise

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Tr00 blackpillers are apatheist

i'm asexual bro

 

[Peachy]

i'm asexual bro

I'm trisexual

 

[turkproducer]

There’s IS something out there it’s stupid to not even understand that.

Besides that I was an atheist and all that shit a couple years ago but I had some supernatural experiences which convinced me otherwise

How that happen, with drug?

 

[Deleted member 2581]

How that happen, with drug?

No this was before I was even doing drugs

That’s a way of life not religion, how does it claim that the world came about?

This world is a lesson or a test to grow and learn. everything returns back to the wheel of samsara to get reborn again until you attain enlightenment aka nirvana to be free of the suffering of existence

 

[turkproducer]

No this was before I was even doing drugs


This world is a lesson or a test to grow and learn. everything returns back to the wheel of samsara to get reborn again until you attain enlightenment aka nirvana to be free of the suffering of existence

What made u choose buddhism ?

 

[Deleted member 3328]

where are my fellow catholic chads at

 

[Deleted member 3043]

where are my fellow catholic chads at

slaying irl

 

[Deleted member 2581]

What made u choose buddhism ?

Just reading into different religions and practices I resonate with this the most for some reason

I haven’t chosen anything yet I’m still researching more into spirituality before I make my choice I just currently feel closer to Buddhism

 

[turkproducer]

Just reading into different religions and practices I resonate with this the most for some reason

I haven’t chosen anything yet I’m still researching more into spirituality before I make my choice I just currently feel closer to Buddhism

What does buddhism say about how the world/universe was created

 

[reptiles]

Below plank scale if you think it's all just chance that is varitional change every bloody time you have more chance of a meteor destroying the earth a 100 times than this

 

[Deleted member 2581]

What does buddhism say about how the world/universe was created

I just explained it to you

There are different realms your born into based on your karma from the wheel of samsara in order to grow and learn as a person until you achieve nirvana and are finally free from suffering

 

[turkproducer]

I just explained it to you

There are different realms your born into based on your karma from the wheel of samsara in order to grow and learn as a person until you achieve nirvana and are finally free from suffering

Idk how this explains how buddhism thinks the world came about, where is the talk of someone or smth creating life/world etc

 

[Deleted member 2581]

Idk how this explains how buddhism thinks the world came about, where is the talk of someone or smth creating life/world etc

There’s no god or creator in Buddhism your thinking about it from a western standpoint

This world is just one of the realms of existence in which you are born into to learn and grow and make steps towards leaving the wheel of samsara

 

[turkproducer]

There’s no god or creator in Buddhism your thinking about it from a western standpoint

This world is just one of the realms of existence in which you are born into to learn and grow and make steps towards leaving the wheel of samsara

Yeah I am familiar with the whole “karma means you are either born as an animal plant or human or enlightened man” it just hard to differentiate which religion is correct

 

[Deleted member 2581]

Yeah I am familiar with the whole “karma means you are either born as an animal plant or human or enlightened man” it just hard to differentiate which religion is correct

It’s really just a personal choice at the end of the day

 

[turkproducer]

It’s really just a personal choice at the end of the day

Yeah but the chances of hell being true and then being damned for eternity just because of location is scary

 

[UnderCovrN0rmie]

a believer will answer you that it exactly why its perfect : it lets the free will to act.
since what's the point of beeing judged without free will, ie responsibility? only injustice and if god does exist he can't be injust because it's verily a part of his essence.
and for it you have to have in power and act the possibility of doing and seeing good and Bad, perfection and imperfections which lead to the opposite.

but what's the point of an unfair test (a billioniare's son is goig to have a way easier time than a 2/10 curry manlet in rural india) if God's all kowing anyway, he already knows whether you and I are going to heaven or hell so why not just put us there to begin with

 

[GenericChad1444]

but what's the point of an unfair test (a billioniare's son is goig to have a way easier time than a 2/10 curry manlet in rural india) if God's all kowing anyway, he already knows whether you and I are going to heaven or hell so why not just put us there to begin with

if he put you there to begin with, would you argue that he is unjust?

 

[Deleted member 3043]

but what's the point of an unfair test (a billioniare's son is goig to have a way easier time than a 2/10 curry manlet in rural india) if God's all kowing anyway, he already knows whether you and I are going to heaven or hell so why not just put us there to begin with

knowing everything =! imposing everything.
he knows but you have relative free will - quite a long philosophical concept i can give you références if needed.
this Said, it only rely upon to acquire the actions who will lead to hell or paradise, to pleasure or suffering.
and why are there differences among people ?
first because this test according to believers is not about materialism and even more, it is said that rich people will have more struggle in a religious approach to.have good deeds than poors or ungifted.

second is that everyone of us are touched by some stravation, some difficulties, some diseases. even - and i would say even more when we see what celebrity can lead - the billionnaire, giga chad, 7 ft.
this justice is all.about EQUITY
because blind equality as tout seems to prone, only leads to injustice.
so the more you struggle and are steadfast the better will be tour récompense.
and if it's true the recompense mogs hard any priviledge here since nothing last here, it's the reign of contingent compared to eternity.

that's what a believer coule answer to you imo

 

[UnderCovrN0rmie]

knowing everything =! imposing everything.
he knows but you have relative free will - quite a long philosophical concept i can give you références if needed.
this Said, it only rely upon to acquire the actions who will lead to hell or paradise, to pleasure or suffering.
and why are there differences among people ?
first because this test according to believers is not about materialism and even more, it is said that rich people will have more struggle in a religious approach to.have good deeds than poors or ungifted.

second is that everyone of us are touched by some stravation, some difficulties, some diseases.
this justice is all.about EQUITY
because blind equality as tout seems to prone, only leads to injustice.
so the more you struggle and are steadfast the better will be tour récompense.
and if it's true the recompense mogs hard any priviledge here since nothing last here, it's the reign of contingent compared to eternity.

that's what a believer coule answer to you imo

Yeah, that makes sense, but God literally knows whether you'll pass his test or not, I don't see the point in testing something when you already know what'll be the answer. Just seems like a really weak justification for bad things existing in the world tbhtbhngl

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Yeah, that makes sense, but God literally knows whether you'll pass his test or not, I don't see the point in testing something when you already know what'll be the answer. Just seems like a really weak justification for bad things existing in the world tbhtbhngl

in a philosophical approach - long to detail -, there is no contradiction between his omniscience and relative free will - with the famous theory of acquisition.

and some belief Said that we have chosen to life, in power ie without existing in act, to live before even beeing created.
this meaning that afterall, it was our choice but we have forgotten.

 

[SayNoToRotting]

^ I remember the good ol' days back in 2015 when I myself used to have these type of militant religious debates in the coments under YT videos.

So I can tell y'all from first hand experience that this thread will be bumped to the top for all eternity.

3 pages in less than 2 hours.

The prophecy is true.

 

[GenericChad1444]

Yeah, that makes sense, but God literally knows whether you'll pass his test or not, I don't see the point in testing something when you already know what'll be the answer. Just seems like a really weak justification for bad things existing in the world tbhtbhngl

I understand where you're coming from here, but I believe this is where it is crucial to accompany this line of thinking with God's overall nature. By distinguishing the concept of him 'testing' us from his other qualities such as 'all knowing/all powerful/all loving' you're limited to a conclusion where God is evil and unfair. If you were to accept the overall nature of God you'd accept the fact that the way he operates is far different to ours. On the outside, and from a human standpoint it looks unjust, but to God it may not be so. Him 'testing' his creation despite prior knowledge therefore looks wrong to us because we're thinking about it from a perspective that is human and limited.The issue with this however, is the simple split of whether you're willing to accept the concept of God and his qualities or not, whether it be in the context of debate or otherwise.

 

[HighTierNormie]

dont rely on God or government for anything thats my motto

 

[SayNoToRotting]

dont rely on God or government for anything thats my motto

regardless of wether or not that's true or not, it's exactly what I expect a blackpilled person to say. It fits with the rest much more.

 

[HighTierNormie]

By distinguishing the concept of him 'testing' us from his other qualities such as 'all knowing/all powerful/all loving' you're limited to a conclusion where God is evil and unfair. If you were to accept the overall nature of God you'd accept the fact that the way he operates is far different to ours.

so God is nice when he isnt testing us?

 

[eduardkoopman]

Religions are human made concepts, 100%.
Most lack alot of proof, on their core concepts. And thus religion has little to do with truth. It's a cope Though for many people. Truth sucks to much, and will not make one happy. While copeing with religion can make some people happy or relaxed.

 

[HighTierNormie]

regardless of wether or not that's true or not, it's exactly what I expect a blackpilled person to say. It fits with the rest much more.

honestly i do believe in God but i dont think he's the type to give people what they pray for and why should he? we are as lesser than ants to him and if we were to be made in his image than we should also be all caring but we clearly aren't even before original sin humans wanted to dethrone god by eating the apple

 

[eduardkoopman]

What created that?

Just because there is no answer to that (i'm not even dure, maybe ther is).
Doesn't mean the religuous answers or concepts are correct.

 

[GenericChad1444]

so God is nice when he isnt testing us?

It was the way it was worded. I meant we must take into account his overall nature when discussing him 'testing' us. I.e-he's all knowing/more knowledgeable than us, thus him testing us and his reasons to do so are because he knows better and what is better for us as well as simply consisting of more knowledge. Obviously, other attributes need to be taken into account.

 

[HighTierNormie]

it was the way it was worded. I meant we must take into account his overall nature when discussing him 'testing' us. I.e-he's all knowing/more knowledgeable than us, thus him testing us and his reasons to do so are because he knows better/more than us.

what you mean to say is that he's definition of right and wrong may not align with us but we dont know what is truly right because we dont know enough?

 

[GenericChad1444]

what you mean to say is that he's definition of right and wrong may not align with us but we dont know what is truly right because we dont know enough?

That's part of it yh. We don't know enough and more importantly can't know enough.

 

[eduardkoopman]

What does buddhism say about how the world/universe was created

I know, because I'm regular visitor of Buddhist Temple and read plenty about it. In general, i like the meditation and some othere things.

The Buddhist concept about it, is incorrect by the way. Because it lacks proof, and there is likely plenty counter proof (this counts for all religions).

Overall, the Buddhist concept is causation for creation. It's a long concept.
Or offically: the chain of co-dependant origination.
which states that all dharmas ("phenomena") arise in dependence upon other dharmas: "if this exists, that exists; if this ceases to exist, that also ceases to exist".
The total list, one can read here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratītyasamutpāda

 

[Amnesia]

Christ is Lord brahs

You either see it or you don't, clearly there is intelligent design behind all this.

 

[eduardkoopman]

it just hard to differentiate which religion is correct

Non are correct.
Of you are looking for truth. Go the following route (truth can be very unhappy , religion is a much more happy cope often):
1. Do they provide proof with their claim? Or is there proof out there for their claim?
2. If answer is "no". Then it's untrue.
3. If it's "Yes". Then see how legit and replicated it is/was. And accept it as the, if so.

They sometimes play the trick: "there is no proof against the claim". Which is a fault approach imo. The one making a claim , has the burden of the proof.

It's imo like saying. "Well, you can 't proof you didn't rape my mom, so it's true that you my mom". While there is no way to disproof such things.

 

[GenericChad1444]

I know, because I'm regular visitor of Buddhist Temple and read plenty about it. In general, i like the meditation and some othere things.

The Buddhist concept about it, is incorrect by the way. Because it lacks proof, and there is likely plenty counter proof (this counts for all religions).

Overall, the Buddhist concept is causation for creation. It's a long concept.
Or offically: the chain of co-dependant origination.
which states that all dharmas ("phenomena") arise in dependence upon other dharmas: "if this exists, that exists; if this ceases to exist, that also ceases to exist".
The total list, one can read here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratītyasamutpāda

Since buddhism doesn't really have a governing body, what is the view on issues like capital punishment,abortion,war,poverty etc?

 

[disillusioned]

They are coping. They know they are genetic shit so they use religion as a form of cope. Religion is the ultimate cope tbh.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Since buddhism doesn't really have a governing body, what is the view on issues like capital punishment,abortion,war,poverty etc?

The sutta's from the tipatika's (like 5 books) are generally seen as what is closet To the actual teachings of the Buddha.

*Death sentence. Taking life or causing to take life is seen as an highly immoral act (first vow of what not to do as an Buddhist). So, it's viewed as negative. Some exceptions are seen al less bad.
*Abortion. Nothing directly about that one. It all depends on if one sees the foetus as a human being or living being. Overall most Buddhist see it as immoral, since some see it as a living being and some see it as a potential living human that's prevented. (Human life is seen as verey precious, because humans have great capability to learn an develop mentally (according to the Buddha).
*War. It often involves killing and stealing. So highly immoral. Defense is not seen as so bad.
*Poverty. It's seen as part of existence and life. And also when experiencing poverty, it might be due to past "bad" actions comming back as effect. The concept of karma. Which basically is a concept of: cause and effect. But they believe that in this life one might experience the effect that has a cause in a previous life. So this I see makes it for some people easier to cope with bad fortune, they then accept it's consequence of something bad they did in the past (like, in previous life they maybe beat up someone unrightfully causing that person to have a disfigured face, and now the payback is that they are born with a subhuman face.)

 

[Deleted member 685]

Yeah religion is man-made rubbish but you're delusional if you think we're alone here considering how big space is.

 

[Bennett]

@turkproducer I personally don't even care if you believe in a conciousness that created the universe,

but if you believe in the fairy tales from the bronze age then just lol @ you.

Most of them are hyperbole meant to teach lessons

 

[UnderCovrN0rmie]

I understand where you're coming from here, but I believe this is where it is crucial to accompany this line of thinking with God's overall nature. By distinguishing the concept of him 'testing' us from his other qualities such as 'all knowing/all powerful/all loving' you're limited to a conclusion where God is evil and unfair. If you were to accept the overall nature of God you'd accept the fact that the way he operates is far different to ours. On the outside, and from a human standpoint it looks unjust, but to God it may not be so. Him 'testing' his creation despite prior knowledge therefore looks wrong to us because we're thinking about it from a perspective that is human and limited.The issue with this however, is the simple split of whether you're willing to accept the concept of God and his qualities or not, whether it be in the context of debate or otherwise.

I don't think he has to be evil if both of those statements are true, I just think it makes him a time waster because any good or evil we do here will be completely dwarfed by what heaven or hell are like.

 

[Cretinous]

you'd be surprised how compatible it is with christian theology and philosophy.

 

[Deleted member 2227]

I don't.