no this is the first thread ive read from you but good for you i was just scrolling in botb no harm meant and also trenbolone is good but what you think about mtren? its way more androgenic than any other aas
the combo of exemestane+ letrzole and var is what you should do if u wanna crash your e2 levels for height purposes
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Disclaimer:
This information is for educational purposes only. The use of substances like HGH, Testosterone, and Aromasin carries potential risks and should be done under the supervision of a healthcare professional. Always consult with a doctor before starting any cycle, and be aware of the possible side effects and health risks involved, the doctors legally can’t involve anyone else like your parents or talk to your compound usage to someone other than you.
Introduction:
Hello bhai, this is my first guide on the forum and i wanted to make it about HGH as so many greys are obsessed with it and ask the same questions on a daily basis.
I will cover every single aspect from sourcing HGH to injecting it, and also i will explain all the pros and cons here with studies backing them up so you understand the risks and what HGH actually does in the body.
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HGH Human Growth Hormone:
Exogenous HGH is synthetic human growth hormone, a peptide made up of 191 amino acids, that’s injected into the body to replicate the natural growth hormone produced by your pituitary gland. It helps boost muscle development, fat burning, recovery, bone growth, and even improves skin health by promoting cell regeneration. Unlike oral supplements, exogenous HGH is directly absorbed into the bloodstream for maximum effectiveness. It’s commonly used by athletes, bodybuilders, and those seeking anti-aging benefits, but it’s important to use it right and manage the doses to avoid potential side effects.
Related Threads:
Thread 'How to Inject HGH and Find a Source for Heightmaxxing - GTFIH'
https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-inject-hgh-and-find-a-source-for-heightmaxxing-gtfih.1124623/
Thread 'Theoretical in-depth guide on how to SAFELY use r-hGH and aromatase inhibitor for pubertymaxxing'
https://looksmax.org/threads/theore...omatase-inhibitor-for-pubertymaxxing.1061735/
Some videos to watch about HGH:
The Pros and Cons:
Hgh, like anything in life it also has its pros and cons, and how you respond depends a lot on your genetics. Some people see great results with better muscle, fat loss, skin, bone mass and a few inches of height while others might deal with side effects like bloating or joint issues without gaining an inch. Everyone’s body is different, so how you respond can vary
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Pros:
Muscle Growth : HGH boosts IGF-1, which grows muscle cells, speeds up recovery, increases protein synthesis, burns fat, and makes muscles look bigger by pulling more water into them.
Study:
Quality of life, body composition and muscle strength in adult growth hormone deficiency: the influence of growth hormone replacement therapy for up to 3 years - PubMed
GH replacement treatment for 6-12 months leads to significant improvements in body composition (DEXA) but longer-term treatment may be needed to increase muscle strength. Self-esteem scores improve and are maintained after 3 years of treatment. Energy levels and emotional reaction improve during...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Fat Loss : HGH helps your body burn fat more efficiently by breaking down fat stores for energy. This means you can lose fat and get leaner, while still keeping your muscle mass.
Study:Effects of Recombinant Human Growth Hormone Therapy in Obesity in Adults: A Metaanalysis
AbstractObjective: To conduct a metaanalysis of human studies examining the efficacy and safety of recombinant human GH (rhGH) as therapy for obesity in adults.Design: A thorough search of the literature (including MEDLINE, EMBASE, and the Cochrane Register) was performed for pertinent studies...ouci.dntb.gov.ua
Recovery : HGH speeds up recovery, which means you heal faster after tough workouts or injuries. This helps you get back to training quicker, without feeling as sore or tired.
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19480608/#:~:text=Results: Current evidence suggests,used in critically ill patients
Anti-Aging Effects : HGH can make your skin look younger by improving elasticity and reducing wrinkles. It also helps your body produce collagen, which keeps skin and joints healthy.
Study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10515129/#:~:text=Skin tends to be pale,,LDL cholesterol and apolipoprotein B
Stronger Bones : HGH can help make your bones stronger by improving bone density. This is especially helpful as you age, reducing the risk of fractures and keeping your bones healthy and strong.
Study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10515129/#:~:text=Growth hormone ,negatively affects longitudinal bone growth
Bone and Height Growth (For youngcells): If you’re still growing, HGH can help make your bones longer which can increase your height. This is most effective while your growth plates are still open typically in childhood and adolescence. Once your growth plates close (oldcells), HGH can no longer increase height but can still support bone health and density.
Study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9121936/#:~:text=The high,(9.5%) and
Better Sleep : HGH helps improve sleep quality, so you get deeper, more restful sleep. Better sleep means you wake up feeling more refreshed and energized, which supports your overall health and recovery.
Study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10488332/#:~:text=obstructive sleep apnea or hypoventilation,to diminished sleep quality and
Increased Energy : HGH gives you more energy by helping your body use fat and carbs for fuel more efficiently. This can help you feel less tired, stay active longer, and improve your overall stamina.
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9404442/#:~:text=Results: In the initial,in the group receiving placebo
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Cons:
Acromegaly : If dosed higher than two digits (10+) and used for prolonged periods there is a chance for developing acromegaly-like features, enlarged jaw, prominent brow/forehead, enlarged hands/feet, and coarse facial features
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14974923/
Cardiomegaly : Heart enlargement from HGH happens because HGH and IGF-1 stimulate heart muscle growth (hypertrophy), and over time, excessive growth can make the heart less efficient and strain its function, as the heart is also an muscle.
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11932297/
Bloat : Bloat on HGH happens mainly because HGH increases water retention by boosting sodium retention and raising levels of a hormone called aldosterone, leading to fluid buildup in the skin and tissues.
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11932310/
Organ Growth : Similar to cardiomegaly HGH boosts IGF-1, which makes organs grow by forcing their cells to multiply and enlarge over time causing HGH gut.
Study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2763332/
Cartilage Growth : This happens because of higher IGF-1 levels and cartilage in for example the nose and the ears are very sensitive to IGF-1 and are the first bones to show noticeable effect this and grow in size due to this.
Drains Thyroid : HGH increases the conversion of T4 to T3, making the thyroid work harder and eventually causing it to slow down if not supported.
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34012834/
Carpal Tunnel Syndrome : HGH can cause fluid retention, swelling in the wrists, and pressure on the median nerve, leading to carpal tunnel syndrome symptoms.
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11128896/
Hypoglycemia : HGH lowers insulin sensitivity, so you need carbs to prevent low blood sugar. 10-15 grams of carbs per IU keeps your blood sugar stable and avoids symptoms like shakiness and dizziness.
What I’m trying to say here is that only use HGH if you are okay with the risks of these cons and if the pros adjust to your goals.
Prices:
The price of HGH really depends on the quality and where you’re buying it from. Some cheaper options are lower quality but they might not be as pure or maybe even under dosed. The better, higher quality (pharma) HGH costs more because it’s made with higher standards and is usually safer and more effective.
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Pharma (Pharmaceutical Grade) HGH
Prices range from $150 - $350+
For 36 iu of Genotropin (HGH Pen)
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Generic UGL (Underground Lab) HGH
Prices range from $100 - $200+
For 100 iu (usually with BAC Water)
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Generic Chinese HGH
Prices range from $50 - $100+
For 100 iu (without BAC Water)
Lets say you choose to use 6iu ed (everyday) that means that 100iu only gets you 16 days so you need 2 kits which is 200iu that will get you 30+ days and depending on where your buying from it should be $100 - $700 monthly.
So my advice is to have the money ready as you need at least 6-12 month of HGH for any noticeable change on height / bones
Differences:
(Varies)
Other Costs:
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Insulin Syringes
(29–31 gauge, 0.5 ml or 1 ml)
Cost: Around $5 - $15+ for a pack of 100 syringes.
Note: Prices can vary based on needle size and quantity, with some packs offering a mix of sizes.
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Alcohol Swabs
Cost: Around $3 - $10+ for a pack of 100 swabs.
Note: Single-use, affordable, and widely available at most pharmacies or online.
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Bacteriostatic Water (BAC Water)
Cost: Around $5 - $15 for a 10 ml vial.
Note: You only need a small amount each time you mix HGH, so a single vial can last for a long time.
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Thyroid Support (T4)
Cost: Around $10 - $40+
per month, depending on the brand and dosage (e.g., 50 mcg tablets).
Note: Prices can vary significantly based on the brand and whether you get a prescription or use over-the-counter options.
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Sharps Container
Cost: Around €5–€10+ for a small sharps container.
Alternative: If you use a thick plastic bottle, you can save money, but make sure it’s durable and can be sealed properly to prevent accidents.
So a total monthly cost ranges from $35 - $75+ for these extra costs.
Source:
“Where can I buy HGH?” This is asked by greys all the time. The truth is simple: If you can’t find a source, you shouldn’t be using HGH. Use Google and search “buy HGH [your country]”keep it simple. You can also find domestic sources through bodybuilding forums. For Chinese generics, look for threads on bodybuilding forums and choose one thats reputable.
If you insist that you can’t find any bodybuilding forums and sources online I’ll list some here:
BB Forums:
UK-Muscle.co.uk Forum
A forum community dedicated to bodybuilding in the UK. Come join the discussion about personal care, health, lifestyles, spirituality, supplementation, shows, diets, medication, research, training, and more!www.uk-muscle.co.uk
Underground Body Building Forum
The most comprehensive bodybuilding forum feature news, announcements, promotions and your input on UGbodybuilding herewww.ugbodybuilding.com
Gear Sources:
Community powered steroid source reviews, forums and more.
We're a steroid source review community. Here since 2009 because unbiased and unpaid opinions are hard to come by.www.eroids.com
This is so that you educate yourself further and really see what others are experiencing and it’s also easier to find reputable sources here.
Keep in mind that there is a chance of the package getting seized or even worse depending on where you buy the HGH from, always try to buy within the country if you got the funds or at least within the continent you live in, only if you don’t have the funds and are okay with the risks then you can opt for the Chinese sources.
Also always check the laws within your country, for most countries it’s legal for personal use but selling or importing them isn’t legal.
Verifying Compounds:
Most sources have like a way to verify their compounds based on the vials, batch codes or anything similar on their site.
Check their site for verifying or just ask other users on bb forums.
Hiding:
I’ll explain how you can store or hide your HGH. It’s important to keep them hidden protect them from heat and light and most importantly your parents, make sure they’re stored in a way that doesn’t draw attention and i will give some examples.
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This is the best method to keep them in room temp, away from light and also if your parents find it they could not open it as it’s locked. Hide the box itself nicely in somewhere that won’t draw attention, and there you go that’s how you could hide HGH in lyophilised form (powder form before reconstitution)
If your parents find it you can always lie and tell them it’s weed/cigars/vape or anything you can come up with that’s in there, but depending on your family that can also cause a big problem. So be careful with your words and don’t freak out, stay calm.
Costs around $50~ and choose a big size, lock boxes are usually small so a big size is like 30cmX30cm so big enough for all the vials, needles anything.
Now the real risk is after you reconstitute the HGH and it becomes a liquid form which is then injectable, one vial is usually 10iu which is a high dose and shouldn’t be used in my opinion.
So you need to store it cooled/refrigerated so that it doesn’t degrade and so that you can use the remaining liquid later on. There is a few ways for this one each with its own risks so I’ll explain them here.
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If you live together with your family you probably can’t just put a vial of HGH in the family fridge so this may be an option. Tell your family you will buy a mini fridge to store your skincare/sodas in there and store the HGH in there, maybe cut a can of soda in half and put the hgh vial in and put the can back together. Be creative with it.
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So this one is riskier but another possible option if you can’t store your HGH in a mini fridge. This one is up to you, choose a product that the rest of your family doesn’t use or something you’ve bought for yourself and put the vial in it, of course clean it nicely first.
If someone finds it try to calm them down and tell them that it’s for your skin health or think of some other creative reason.
Injection:
This differs from source to source as if you go with pharma you need to inject with a pen which is really simple thats why i will be explaining how to inject from a vial.
Gather Your Supplies
Insulin Syringes: Choose 29–31 gauge, 0.5 ml or 1 ml syringes with short 8mm needles.
Alcohol Swabs: For disinfecting the vial tops and your skin.
Bacteriostatic Water (BAC Water): To mix your HGH.
Sharps Container: For safe disposal of used needles.
Prepare for Your Injection
Fill Syringe: Clean the vial top with an alcohol swab, then draw the appropriate dose of HGH.
Dosage & Timing: Typically, 5-6 IU is a good starting point. If needed, you can split the dose into two injections (e.g., 3 IU in the morning, 3 IU in the evening). Some prefer injecting only in the evening. You should fill the syringe up till the 30 mark.
Clean the Injection Site
Choose the Site: The belly area, around 3 fingers away from the navel, is a common spot for subcutaneous injections.
Clean the Skin: Use an alcohol swab to clean the chosen area to prevent infection.
Inject HGH
Pinch the Skin: Gently pinch a small fold of skin at the injection site.
Insert the Needle: Insert the needle at a 45-degree angle into the skin.
Inject Slowly: Gently push the plunger to inject the HGH.
Post-Injection: After the injection, remove the needle and apply light pressure with a cotton swab to the site if needed.
Dispose of the Needle
Dispose Properly: Place the used needle in a sharps container or a thick plastic bottle as fast as possible.
Never Reuse: Never attempt to reuse needles, always dispose of them in a safe manner.
Here are some visual demonstrations:
The
Proper HGH Use:
Here’s a basic HGH only cycle:
Here’s a advanced compound stack:
Months
Cycle
Cycle
Cycle
Cycle
Cycle
Now that we have the HGH all figured out we can move onto how you can use HGH synergistically with other compounds to increase its effectiveness, but this comes with more risks as other compounds cause other sides.
If you want to use your HGH efficiently you should preferably inject on an empty stomach then wait 15-30 minutes and consume fast-acting carbs like sugar and amino acids.
You could also inject insulin instead, for example lantus insulin which I’ve added to the advanced stack.
Your diet, sleep and overall activity should be perfect for a more efficient HGH usage, the sleep is the most important one here so focus on improving them as they already naturally give a boost in your gh levels.
There are also other things like gh secretagogues which I’ll talk about in another thread, but HGH is more effective compared to them so you should only consider other peptides if you’re running low financially.
Safety:
Bloodwork:
You should do baseline bloodwork to get a starting point of your health, then follow up after 6 weeks on cycle, and then every few months during the cycle. Here’s what you should check in the bloodwork:
IGF-1
This is the most direct marker for HGH. As HGH raises IGF-1 levels, checking this will confirm if the HGH isn’t bunk and doing its job and giving you the effects you wanted.
Testosterone Levels
Total Testosterone: This shows your overall testosterone levels.
Free Testosterone: This tells you how much of that testosterone is actually available to be used by your body. You want these levels to be high, but within a healthy normal range.
Estradiol (E2):
Testosterone can turn into estrogen, which can lead to side effects like water retention or gynecomastia. Aromasin is there to prevent this, but you should still check estradiol levels to ensure you’re managing estrogen properly.
Thyroid Function (TSH, Free T4, Free T3)
HGH can speed up the conversion of T4 into T3, which might stress your thyroid. Testing TSH, Free T4, and Free T3 will show how well your thyroid is working. If these get out of balance, it could affect your energy and fat metabolism, thats why you could have some thyroid support in hand just incase.
Lipid Panel (Cholesterol and Triglycerides)
Both testosterone and aromasin can impact cholesterol levels, so it’s important to check your lipid panel. High LDL (bad cholesterol) or low HDL (good cholesterol) could increase your risk for heart issues for later on.
Liver Function (ALT/AST)
Both testosterone and aromasin can stress your liver slightly, so checking liver enzymes ensures your liver is staying healthy.
PCT:
If you don’t plan to use any testosterone or other compounds that suspend natural testosterone levels, then you can basically skip this part as HGH and AI require no pct.
Do you need PCT? No not really most of the time it only helps you recover back faster or can be used to keep your balls alive and not atrophy during the stack. but if you are younger or doing higher/harsher doses or compounds you could benefit from some pct or if you are paranoid of the fact that your balls will atrophy .
You can for example go for some hcg while on the stack or after the stack, but never use SERMs as they may stunt growth (not sure).
BG (Blood Glucose) Monitor
Wash your hands, insert a strip into the meter, and use the lancet to prick the side of your fingertip. Squeeze out a drop of blood, touch it to the strip, and wait a few seconds for the reading. That’s it.
Best times to check: first thing in the morning (fasted) or after meals to see how your body handles carbs.
Experiences:
There aren’t many examples but here are some i could find on the forum:
Thread 'My experience with hgh'
https://looksmax.org/threads/my-experience-with-hgh.971388/
Thread 'My Experience with HGH & height-maxing'
https://looksmax.org/threads/my-experience-with-hgh-height-maxing.20791/
Thread 'Covering all aspects of my heightmaxxing experience, results, tips and struggles'
https://looksmax.org/threads/coveri...xperience-results-tips-and-struggles.1172898/
As you can see some experience no growth while others do.
FAQ:
How many inches of height will i gain?
If your growth plates are still open (If you are in your teens, still showing signs of puberty so youngcells), HGH can actually make you 2-6 inches taller over time depending on your genetics, dosing, and how much growth potential you have left.
If your growth plates are closed (oldcells), HGH won’t make your bones longer. BUT it can help decompress your spine a little bit and will hydrate the discs that will cause improvement in posture so you might gain like half an inch to maybe an inch max depending on your situation.
Will HGH increase my dick size?
If you’re still developing (like during puberty most of the time below 16), then yes, HGH can indirectly boost penis growth because it boosts overall tissue growth through IGF-1.
If you’re already an adult, HGH won’t suddenly add new inches. So it won’t work could make it healthier indirectly tho.
Will HGH improve my frame?
Possibly yes, HGH usage over prolonged periods (around 5–6 IU ED) can thicken bones particularly your clavicles (your shoulders) and ribs. Over some time your whole frame can start looking broader, thicker, and denser. It’s one of the most important feature for frame.
Will it make my spine grow?
If your growth plates are still open (puberty/pre-puberty or a really late bloomer), HGH can actually make your spine grow longer, the vertebrae themselves can still lengthen because the plates haven’t fused yet.
But if your growth plates are already closed, HGH won’t have any physical effect on your spine, because the bones are already fused.
Is it worth it?
There are a lot of risks that come with it and responsibilities you have like bloodwork, and if you want the stack to be even more efficient you need to add the compounds like testosterone which add a lot of risks depending on how you respond.
Even if you are okay with it now there is a high chance you’ll regret it later on.
Keep in mind that there are no guarantees for height or bone growth and you wont know how you will respond, and i can confidently say that there is not even one hyper-responder (Someone who responds extremely good) in this whole forum.
As I’ve said earlier you could get all the sides and 0 growth or experience no sides.
I personally believe and it’s probably the truth that you can’t surpass your genetic potential, i just got my HGH today may share my experience on it later on.
Thank you for reading and i hope i could’ve been of some help and clarified some things up for y’all. This shit took like precisely 72 hours
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Thank you for the help @menas, @chadisbeingmade and thank you for trusting in me @loyolaxavvierretard, @sigmamogger what do you think @Orc ?
its letro + fulvestrant. or letro and crash test with non aromatizing AAS + fulv to be optimal. and vosortide/navep will be better than tyra due to some fgfr physiology nuance
Could you explain it to me more in depth in DMs? Dm if u wanna
Letrozole is the best for height
It was never good just people were dumber back when it was made jfl
what would be the dossage im planning on taking it secreatly wthout my doctor my plates are bearly open and my e2 in the first test was 51ML and another test i did in another clinic it was 32 what would be the dossage and ow many times a week
just take 2.5mg of letrzole depending on how lean u are just do 2.5 mg u can do more less but try to not do less than 1.35 mg cuz we want ur e2 levels to crash down to pikalevs
Just throw in everything you can theory, you don't need to larp high iq you dumb faggot
i never said u need to u use everything but that is things u can use u fucking nger and fuck u idk how thi sshit thread came on botb and still waht i said stands i aint larping iq or do i think im a genius
There’s many compounds there that are detrimental you fucking idiot, go steal random comps from your discord servers and tiktok videos. You don’t know anything about them not a single piece of information
Ur right about that that’s why u take things for it
and there’s gonna be some sides that u can’t really negate but it’s worth it in the long run and I don’t use discord for my knowledge is use pubmed and idl why u so rude ur acting like ur debunking what I’m saying it’s obv true 
ig u need some help just say so
i dont want to crash if i crash how bad will the side effects be bru? and how much do u think is letrazole
what side effects
like 20 for 100 tabs bro im not gonna give u free info if u not gonna rep me i can do if u rep a thread of mine and i can fix u grey market sources and all of dat
whats rep like liking ur threads? aight brah where do i do that whichwhat side effects
Do not listen to anything he says he's a fucking retard
aight gang ill listen to u what ai should i take with like a one that wont damage my brain idk one that isnt shitty
None of them damage your brain and none of them will boost your height aswell, just use letrozole if you wanna try aromatase inhibitors, but you will stunt your growth if you take aromatase inhibitors without exogenously boosting your igf-1
im alreday on growth hormone the reason iwanna take it its because i found out im ghd late when my plates are fusing im alreday 6 iu prescribed so how many grams of letrozole? and how many times a week
Bri I already answered u
kust do 2,5 my letrozole old how dumb can u be
Ahaha cant debunk my shit and now ur mad niggas really stupid asf just mad that I said ur thread isn’t that good seen way better threads yeahh haven’t got ass much traction as urs fucking barbarian
I already told u that ai doesn’t damage brain can u read or nah??? What’s wrong with you Zagro is a fuxking retard
Your rigjt that some of the compounds are retarded to take and can give u crazy damage but never told me to run it so idk why u on my meat
if he wants to negate most of the sides of it he can take some things to negate tje brain effect but fgfr inhibitors I wouldn’t do it because of the spinal risk and all the other and too expensive to source
6iu ain’t gon do shit ur doctor is an idioti
doesnt a normal teen produce naturally up to 6 ius per day, and also the highest absorption rate with the subq injection is 90% if youre lucky
yo buddy can u help me delete my first post
"buddy"
Thread Song:
Disclaimer:
This information is for educational purposes only. The use of substances like HGH, Testosterone, and Aromasin carries potential risks and should be done under the supervision of a healthcare professional. Always consult with a doctor before starting any cycle, and be aware of the possible side effects and health risks involved, the doctors legally can’t involve anyone else like your parents or talk to your compound usage to someone other than you.
Introduction:
Hello bhai, this is my first guide on the forum and i wanted to make it about HGH as so many greys are obsessed with it and ask the same questions on a daily basis.
I will cover every single aspect from sourcing HGH to injecting it, and also i will explain all the pros and cons here with studies backing them up so you understand the risks and what HGH actually does in the body.
View attachment 3684615
HGH Human Growth Hormone:
Exogenous HGH is synthetic human growth hormone, a peptide made up of 191 amino acids, that’s injected into the body to replicate the natural growth hormone produced by your pituitary gland. It helps boost muscle development, fat burning, recovery, bone growth, and even improves skin health by promoting cell regeneration. Unlike oral supplements, exogenous HGH is directly absorbed into the bloodstream for maximum effectiveness. It’s commonly used by athletes, bodybuilders, and those seeking anti-aging benefits, but it’s important to use it right and manage the doses to avoid potential side effects.
Related Threads:
Thread 'How to Inject HGH and Find a Source for Heightmaxxing - GTFIH'
https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-inject-hgh-and-find-a-source-for-heightmaxxing-gtfih.1124623/
Thread 'Theoretical in-depth guide on how to SAFELY use r-hGH and aromatase inhibitor for pubertymaxxing'
https://looksmax.org/threads/theore...omatase-inhibitor-for-pubertymaxxing.1061735/
Some videos to watch about HGH:
The Pros and Cons:
Hgh, like anything in life it also has its pros and cons, and how you respond depends a lot on your genetics. Some people see great results with better muscle, fat loss, skin, bone mass and a few inches of height while others might deal with side effects like bloating or joint issues without gaining an inch. Everyone’s body is different, so how you respond can vary
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Pros:
Muscle Growth : HGH boosts IGF-1, which grows muscle cells, speeds up recovery, increases protein synthesis, burns fat, and makes muscles look bigger by pulling more water into them.
Study:Quality of life, body composition and muscle strength in adult growth hormone deficiency: the influence of growth hormone replacement therapy for up to 3 years - PubMed
GH replacement treatment for 6-12 months leads to significant improvements in body composition (DEXA) but longer-term treatment may be needed to increase muscle strength. Self-esteem scores improve and are maintained after 3 years of treatment. Energy levels and emotional reaction improve during...
Fat Loss : HGH helps your body burn fat more efficiently by breaking down fat stores for energy. This means you can lose fat and get leaner, while still keeping your muscle mass.
Study:Effects of Recombinant Human Growth Hormone Therapy in Obesity in Adults: A Metaanalysis
AbstractObjective: To conduct a metaanalysis of human studies examining the efficacy and safety of recombinant human GH (rhGH) as therapy for obesity in adults.Design: A thorough search of the literature (including MEDLINE, EMBASE, and the Cochrane Register) was performed for pertinent studies...
Recovery : HGH speeds up recovery, which means you heal faster after tough workouts or injuries. This helps you get back to training quicker, without feeling as sore or tired.
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19480608/#:~:text=Results: Current evidence suggests,used in critically ill patients
Anti-Aging Effects : HGH can make your skin look younger by improving elasticity and reducing wrinkles. It also helps your body produce collagen, which keeps skin and joints healthy.
Study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10515129/#:~:text=Skin tends to be pale,,LDL cholesterol and apolipoprotein B
Stronger Bones : HGH can help make your bones stronger by improving bone density. This is especially helpful as you age, reducing the risk of fractures and keeping your bones healthy and strong.
Study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10515129/#:~:text=Growth hormone ,negatively affects longitudinal bone growth
Bone and Height Growth (For youngcells): If you’re still growing, HGH can help make your bones longer which can increase your height. This is most effective while your growth plates are still open typically in childhood and adolescence. Once your growth plates close (oldcells), HGH can no longer increase height but can still support bone health and density.
Study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9121936/#:~:text=The high,(9.5%) and
Better Sleep : HGH helps improve sleep quality, so you get deeper, more restful sleep. Better sleep means you wake up feeling more refreshed and energized, which supports your overall health and recovery.
Study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10488332/#:~:text=obstructive sleep apnea or hypoventilation,to diminished sleep quality and
Increased Energy : HGH gives you more energy by helping your body use fat and carbs for fuel more efficiently. This can help you feel less tired, stay active longer, and improve your overall stamina.
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9404442/#:~:text=Results: In the initial,in the group receiving placebo
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Cons:
Acromegaly : If dosed higher than two digits (10+) and used for prolonged periods there is a chance for developing acromegaly-like features, enlarged jaw, prominent brow/forehead, enlarged hands/feet, and coarse facial features
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14974923/
Cardiomegaly : Heart enlargement from HGH happens because HGH and IGF-1 stimulate heart muscle growth (hypertrophy), and over time, excessive growth can make the heart less efficient and strain its function, as the heart is also an muscle.
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11932297/
Bloat : Bloat on HGH happens mainly because HGH increases water retention by boosting sodium retention and raising levels of a hormone called aldosterone, leading to fluid buildup in the skin and tissues.
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11932310/
Organ Growth : Similar to cardiomegaly HGH boosts IGF-1, which makes organs grow by forcing their cells to multiply and enlarge over time causing HGH gut.
Study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2763332/
Cartilage Growth : This happens because of higher IGF-1 levels and cartilage in for example the nose and the ears are very sensitive to IGF-1 and are the first bones to show noticeable effect this and grow in size due to this.
Drains Thyroid : HGH increases the conversion of T4 to T3, making the thyroid work harder and eventually causing it to slow down if not supported.
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34012834/
Carpal Tunnel Syndrome : HGH can cause fluid retention, swelling in the wrists, and pressure on the median nerve, leading to carpal tunnel syndrome symptoms.
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11128896/
Hypoglycemia : HGH lowers insulin sensitivity, so you need carbs to prevent low blood sugar. 10-15 grams of carbs per IU keeps your blood sugar stable and avoids symptoms like shakiness and dizziness.
What I’m trying to say here is that only use HGH if you are okay with the risks of these cons and if the pros adjust to your goals.
Prices:
The price of HGH really depends on the quality and where you’re buying it from. Some cheaper options are lower quality but they might not be as pure or maybe even under dosed. The better, higher quality (pharma) HGH costs more because it’s made with higher standards and is usually safer and more effective.
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Pharma (Pharmaceutical Grade) HGH
Prices range from $150 - $350+
For 36 iu of Genotropin (HGH Pen)
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Generic UGL (Underground Lab) HGH
Prices range from $100 - $200+
For 100 iu (usually with BAC Water)
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Generic Chinese HGH
Prices range from $50 - $100+
For 100 iu (without BAC Water)
Lets say you choose to use 6iu ed (everyday) that means that 100iu only gets you 16 days so you need 2 kits which is 200iu that will get you 30+ days and depending on where your buying from it should be $100 - $700 monthly.
So my advice is to have the money ready as you need at least 6-12 month of HGH for any noticeable change on height / bones
Differences:
(Varies)
Other Costs:
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Insulin Syringes
(29–31 gauge, 0.5 ml or 1 ml)
Cost: Around $5 - $15+ for a pack of 100 syringes.
Note: Prices can vary based on needle size and quantity, with some packs offering a mix of sizes.
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Alcohol Swabs
Cost: Around $3 - $10+ for a pack of 100 swabs.
Note: Single-use, affordable, and widely available at most pharmacies or online.
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Bacteriostatic Water (BAC Water)
Cost: Around $5 - $15 for a 10 ml vial.
Note: You only need a small amount each time you mix HGH, so a single vial can last for a long time.
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Thyroid Support (T4)
Cost: Around $10 - $40+
per month, depending on the brand and dosage (e.g., 50 mcg tablets).
Note: Prices can vary significantly based on the brand and whether you get a prescription or use over-the-counter options.
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Sharps Container
Cost: Around €5–€10+ for a small sharps container.
Alternative: If you use a thick plastic bottle, you can save money, but make sure it’s durable and can be sealed properly to prevent accidents.
So a total monthly cost ranges from $35 - $75+ for these extra costs.
Source:
“Where can I buy HGH?” This is asked by greys all the time. The truth is simple: If you can’t find a source, you shouldn’t be using HGH. Use Google and search “buy HGH [your country]”keep it simple. You can also find domestic sources through bodybuilding forums. For Chinese generics, look for threads on bodybuilding forums and choose one thats reputable.
If you insist that you can’t find any bodybuilding forums and sources online I’ll list some here:
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This is so that you educate yourself further and really see what others are experiencing and it’s also easier to find reputable sources here.
Keep in mind that there is a chance of the package getting seized or even worse depending on where you buy the HGH from, always try to buy within the country if you got the funds or at least within the continent you live in, only if you don’t have the funds and are okay with the risks then you can opt for the Chinese sources.
Also always check the laws within your country, for most countries it’s legal for personal use but selling or importing them isn’t legal.
Verifying Compounds:
Most sources have like a way to verify their compounds based on the vials, batch codes or anything similar on their site.
Check their site for verifying or just ask other users on bb forums.
Hiding:
I’ll explain how you can store or hide your HGH. It’s important to keep them hidden protect them from heat and light and most importantly your parents, make sure they’re stored in a way that doesn’t draw attention and i will give some examples.
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This is the best method to keep them in room temp, away from light and also if your parents find it they could not open it as it’s locked. Hide the box itself nicely in somewhere that won’t draw attention, and there you go that’s how you could hide HGH in lyophilised form (powder form before reconstitution)
If your parents find it you can always lie and tell them it’s weed/cigars/vape or anything you can come up with that’s in there, but depending on your family that can also cause a big problem. So be careful with your words and don’t freak out, stay calm.
Costs around $50~ and choose a big size, lock boxes are usually small so a big size is like 30cmX30cm so big enough for all the vials, needles anything.
Now the real risk is after you reconstitute the HGH and it becomes a liquid form which is then injectable, one vial is usually 10iu which is a high dose and shouldn’t be used in my opinion.
So you need to store it cooled/refrigerated so that it doesn’t degrade and so that you can use the remaining liquid later on. There is a few ways for this one each with its own risks so I’ll explain them here.
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If you live together with your family you probably can’t just put a vial of HGH in the family fridge so this may be an option. Tell your family you will buy a mini fridge to store your skincare/sodas in there and store the HGH in there, maybe cut a can of soda in half and put the hgh vial in and put the can back together. Be creative with it.
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So this one is riskier but another possible option if you can’t store your HGH in a mini fridge. This one is up to you, choose a product that the rest of your family doesn’t use or something you’ve bought for yourself and put the vial in it, of course clean it nicely first.
If someone finds it try to calm them down and tell them that it’s for your skin health or think of some other creative reason.
Injection:
This differs from source to source as if you go with pharma you need to inject with a pen which is really simple thats why i will be explaining how to inject from a vial.
Gather Your Supplies
Insulin Syringes: Choose 29–31 gauge, 0.5 ml or 1 ml syringes with short 8mm needles.
Alcohol Swabs: For disinfecting the vial tops and your skin.
Bacteriostatic Water (BAC Water): To mix your HGH.
Sharps Container: For safe disposal of used needles.
Prepare for Your Injection
Fill Syringe: Clean the vial top with an alcohol swab, then draw the appropriate dose of HGH.
Dosage & Timing: Typically, 5-6 IU is a good starting point. If needed, you can split the dose into two injections (e.g., 3 IU in the morning, 3 IU in the evening). Some prefer injecting only in the evening. You should fill the syringe up till the 30 mark.
Clean the Injection Site
Choose the Site: The belly area, around 3 fingers away from the navel, is a common spot for subcutaneous injections.
Clean the Skin: Use an alcohol swab to clean the chosen area to prevent infection.
Inject HGH
Pinch the Skin: Gently pinch a small fold of skin at the injection site.
Insert the Needle: Insert the needle at a 45-degree angle into the skin.
Inject Slowly: Gently push the plunger to inject the HGH.
Post-Injection: After the injection, remove the needle and apply light pressure with a cotton swab to the site if needed.
Dispose of the Needle
Dispose Properly: Place the used needle in a sharps container or a thick plastic bottle as fast as possible.
Never Reuse: Never attempt to reuse needles, always dispose of them in a safe manner.
Here are some visual demonstrations:
The
Proper HGH Use:
Here’s a basic HGH only cycle:
Here’s a advanced compound stack:
Months
Cycle
Cycle
Cycle
Cycle
Cycle
Now that we have the HGH all figured out we can move onto how you can use HGH synergistically with other compounds to increase its effectiveness, but this comes with more risks as other compounds cause other sides.
If you want to use your HGH efficiently you should preferably inject on an empty stomach then wait 15-30 minutes and consume fast-acting carbs like sugar and amino acids.
You could also inject insulin instead, for example lantus insulin which I’ve added to the advanced stack.
Your diet, sleep and overall activity should be perfect for a more efficient HGH usage, the sleep is the most important one here so focus on improving them as they already naturally give a boost in your gh levels.
There are also other things like gh secretagogues which I’ll talk about in another thread, but HGH is more effective compared to them so you should only consider other peptides if you’re running low financially.
Safety:
Bloodwork:
You should do baseline bloodwork to get a starting point of your health, then follow up after 6 weeks on cycle, and then every few months during the cycle. Here’s what you should check in the bloodwork:
IGF-1
This is the most direct marker for HGH. As HGH raises IGF-1 levels, checking this will confirm if the HGH isn’t bunk and doing its job and giving you the effects you wanted.
Testosterone Levels
Total Testosterone: This shows your overall testosterone levels.
Free Testosterone: This tells you how much of that testosterone is actually available to be used by your body. You want these levels to be high, but within a healthy normal range.
Estradiol (E2):
Testosterone can turn into estrogen, which can lead to side effects like water retention or gynecomastia. Aromasin is there to prevent this, but you should still check estradiol levels to ensure you’re managing estrogen properly.
Thyroid Function (TSH, Free T4, Free T3)
HGH can speed up the conversion of T4 into T3, which might stress your thyroid. Testing TSH, Free T4, and Free T3 will show how well your thyroid is working. If these get out of balance, it could affect your energy and fat metabolism, thats why you could have some thyroid support in hand just incase.
Lipid Panel (Cholesterol and Triglycerides)
Both testosterone and aromasin can impact cholesterol levels, so it’s important to check your lipid panel. High LDL (bad cholesterol) or low HDL (good cholesterol) could increase your risk for heart issues for later on.
Liver Function (ALT/AST)
Both testosterone and aromasin can stress your liver slightly, so checking liver enzymes ensures your liver is staying healthy.
PCT:
If you don’t plan to use any testosterone or other compounds that suspend natural testosterone levels, then you can basically skip this part as HGH and AI require no pct.
Do you need PCT? No not really most of the time it only helps you recover back faster or can be used to keep your balls alive and not atrophy during the stack. but if you are younger or doing higher/harsher doses or compounds you could benefit from some pct or if you are paranoid of the fact that your balls will atrophy .
You can for example go for some hcg while on the stack or after the stack, but never use SERMs as they may stunt growth (not sure).
BG (Blood Glucose) Monitor
Wash your hands, insert a strip into the meter, and use the lancet to prick the side of your fingertip. Squeeze out a drop of blood, touch it to the strip, and wait a few seconds for the reading. That’s it.
Best times to check: first thing in the morning (fasted) or after meals to see how your body handles carbs.
Experiences:
There aren’t many examples but here are some i could find on the forum:
Thread 'My experience with hgh'
https://looksmax.org/threads/my-experience-with-hgh.971388/
Thread 'My Experience with HGH & height-maxing'
https://looksmax.org/threads/my-experience-with-hgh-height-maxing.20791/
Thread 'Covering all aspects of my heightmaxxing experience, results, tips and struggles'
https://looksmax.org/threads/coveri...xperience-results-tips-and-struggles.1172898/
As you can see some experience no growth while others do.
FAQ:
How many inches of height will i gain?
If your growth plates are still open (If you are in your teens, still showing signs of puberty so youngcells), HGH can actually make you 2-6 inches taller over time depending on your genetics, dosing, and how much growth potential you have left.
If your growth plates are closed (oldcells), HGH won’t make your bones longer. BUT it can help decompress your spine a little bit and will hydrate the discs that will cause improvement in posture so you might gain like half an inch to maybe an inch max depending on your situation.
Will HGH increase my dick size?
If you’re still developing (like during puberty most of the time below 16), then yes, HGH can indirectly boost penis growth because it boosts overall tissue growth through IGF-1.
If you’re already an adult, HGH won’t suddenly add new inches. So it won’t work could make it healthier indirectly tho.
Will HGH improve my frame?
Possibly yes, HGH usage over prolonged periods (around 5–6 IU ED) can thicken bones particularly your clavicles (your shoulders) and ribs. Over some time your whole frame can start looking broader, thicker, and denser. It’s one of the most important feature for frame.
Will it make my spine grow?
If your growth plates are still open (puberty/pre-puberty or a really late bloomer), HGH can actually make your spine grow longer, the vertebrae themselves can still lengthen because the plates haven’t fused yet.
But if your growth plates are already closed, HGH won’t have any physical effect on your spine, because the bones are already fused.
Is it worth it?
There are a lot of risks that come with it and responsibilities you have like bloodwork, and if you want the stack to be even more efficient you need to add the compounds like testosterone which add a lot of risks depending on how you respond.
Even if you are okay with it now there is a high chance you’ll regret it later on.
Keep in mind that there are no guarantees for height or bone growth and you wont know how you will respond, and i can confidently say that there is not even one hyper-responder (Someone who responds extremely good) in this whole forum.
As I’ve said earlier you could get all the sides and 0 growth or experience no sides.
I personally believe and it’s probably the truth that you can’t surpass your genetic potential, i just got my HGH today may share my experience on it later on.
Thank you for reading and i hope i could’ve been of some help and clarified some things up for y’all. This shit took like precisely 72 hours
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To be honest yeah, i got more knowledge because of you though. Maybe ill come across you again but this time on the grounds of nutrition.And lost
You could rape me on nutrition honestly, it’s not my topic of professionTo be honest yeah, i got more knowledge because of you though. Maybe ill come across you again but this time on the grounds of nutrition.
I actually did, its called carbs are objectively bad for you, ill tag you toward it.You could rape me on nutrition honestly, it’s not my topic of profession
Thank you for not insulting me and actually learning something from it, this is what i want to see and not just pointless arguing.
If you ever post threads about nutrition i could learn from them too probably
tag me too
You cant really know when it's over but technically an x-ray of your tibial and femur epiphyses with the help of an radiologist would be a decent way of checking how much growth is left, if not there's not really a way we can guess it and even with the x-ray a correct prediction is impossible
Pulsatile is better than continuous for longitudinal growth and many other tissues and teenagers have a spikes daily that total of 20 units. The absorption rate doesn't necessarily matter as in trials they also use SubQ administrations, only matters if you're reading up on rhGH intravenous infusion, as then the bioavailability is likely to be 100% and will have an insanely different way of working compared to subcutaneous administration.
Don't take letrozole without suppressing your endogenous testosterone with it.
im gona take arimidix 0.25 mg is that good?
Use a non-aromatising androgen with it, you don't want high testosterone levels as it will result in increased local substrates within the growth plate, increasing the local E2 concentration which you wont be able to control with aromatase inhibitors that work through the bloodstream.
which non aromtizing androgen do u recomend thats not so dangerous?
"there is no evidence that even in ISS kids" are you aware that most ISS patients do reach their FAH or near-FAH naturally without intervention, most of them are genuinely just short kids.Even if there wasn't a genetic limit, I wouldn't approach the hgh meat riders from that angle.
I'm not even fully against hgh
I'd come at it from the angle that it's unprovable for hgh to give you end term height gains.
I'll formulate the premise-by-premise argument later but it'll go something along the lines of,
Can final adult height be predicted? If yes then there is a genetic limit (he can't concede to this)
If not and it's just free-flow, there is no evidence that even in ISS kids (granting that they aren't an exception to the norm of people) that they exceeded their "genetic" height it's a juxtaposition. As they were already growing regardless. (and as confirmed by saying there's no "predictable" height)
That's argument 1.
Argument 2 is about muh gigantism
Gigantism is a case where the patients have excess gh but it's not simplified to that, the negative feedback loop of somatostatin also doesn't function like how it would in regular humans.
When gh/igf1 levels seem to be too high, the pituitary gland inhibits gh secretion through somatostatin to stay in normal levels, people with these pituitary tumours don't have the actuality of this function, the hypothalamus sends out somatostatin but the gh doesn't reduce in actuality.
They'll bring up the point about how it's exogenous so it won't get inhibited by somatostatin which is true, but that wasn't the point. The point being made is that before you guys used these Exogenous hormones for the first 14-16 years of your life, you were operating within normal igf-1 levels.
Gigantism patients don't, it's chronic and to use an example Robert wadlow was literally 6'5 at 10 years old, Andre the giant was 6'3 at 12.
They practically have an entire childhoods worth of pubertal-like chondrocyte proliferation and hypertrophy whereas normal people like us get that igf-1 spike when we enter into puberty and start growing through our spurt. It's completely un-comparable. All gigantism proves is that gh in very specific cases does lead to a higher adult height, but through very diminishing means.
(The gigantism argument is definitely the most retarded out of the 2)
I sat here and typed all of this out so rep me boyos
PS; I think hgh with aromatase inhibitors are more promising than this, but I'm not COMPLETELY convinced yet.
Honestly low dose of fluoxymesterone; 2.5mg ED seems to be the best with letrozole as weak androgens such as oxandrolone will not be enough to suppress your endogenous testosterone levels probably
ehh i dont think i have source for any of those fluxmestrone or letro idk
okay but would anavar damage brain damage me or something? or its safer than the other ones? thankyou
Will read soon, also what hgh dose do you do and what dose would you recommend or do you scale off of a body weight formula?
hgh if ur defcient its 0.25 to 0.35 per body weight also check ur gh leveles before pinning tbh if ur not defcient ur not gona grow taller but if ur short ur deffo ghd
I have used 18 units ED multiple times, and the last time i started it for 2 months i saw a 1.5cm~ growth after a long time of no improvement, and it did not disappear now after 3 months off, so it wasn't water retention ( + not on anything that increases retention).
are u doing purely hgh and a non aromatizing androgen or incopararting things like abalo or for example winstrol because ive heard some shit that it reopened plates in rats if its not too much of a bother for u could u send ur stack to me in dms? i can send mine aswell heres a pic from the study abt winstrol
I'm not going to make this a long and dragged out debate/back and fourth even if there are minor points I disagree with.
I mean this doesn't really disagree with my premise, you're still agreeing to the other end of the disjunct that's it's not possible to accurately predict height. Even within that range, it wouldn't be impossible to someone to just arbitrarily exceed it by a bigger margin.
Well I didn't say or imply I need some sort of step by step guide for everything or full on proof, I just think we ought to be more wary of the things we're using if we can't even justify whether it'll help.
I don't recall making any claims about needing clinical trials on 6 year olds so I'm not sure about this refutation(?)
I agree, the gigantism arguments are retarded.
